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American's 757-200 Transatlantic Routes?

Fri Jul 15, 2016 9:07 pm

Could I please get a full list of routes that American Airlines operates using their transatlantoc 757-200s. I would also request the codes be in IATA format.
 
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Re: American's 757-200 Transatlantic Routes?

Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:28 pm

Believe American Airlines flies the 757 from JFK to Manchester, Edinburgh, Madrid, and Dublin, and from Philadelphia to several destinations in Europe including Shannon, Dublin, Amsterdam, Lisbon, Brussels (I may be missing a few). Also, I think Boston to CDG. The AA 120/121 rotation between JFK and CDG (the later evening departure has been a 757 for some time).
 
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Re: American's 757-200 Transatlantic Routes?

Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:52 pm

Cointrin330 wrote:
Believe American Airlines flies the 757 from JFK to Manchester, Edinburgh, Madrid, and Dublin, and from Philadelphia to several destinations in Europe including Shannon, Dublin, Amsterdam, Lisbon, Brussels (I may be missing a few). Also, I think Boston to CDG. The AA 120/121 rotation between JFK and CDG (the later evening departure has been a 757 for some time).


BOS-CDG*
JFK-BHX
JFK-CDG (AA120/121)
JFK-DUB*
JFK-EDI*
JFK-MAN**
PHL-AMS
PHL-BRU*
PHL-GLA*
PHL-LIS*
PHL-SNN*

*Summer seasonal
**Winter seasonal, 767 in Summer

JFK-MAD has been a 767 now for a while, and I wouldn't be surprised if in time this goes to one of the reconfigured (2-class) 777s - particularly during peak summer. Additionally, once Aer Lingus is integrated into the oneworld transatlantic JV, I wouldn't be surprised to see JFK-DUB go year-round and get upgauged, at least in the summer, to a 767 or even A330. I also suspect that as time goes on and depending on macroeconomic conditions and AA's fleet developments (including further 757 retirements), some more of these routes - like PHL-AMS, JFK-EDI and maybe even BOS-CDG - could be candidates for seasonal or year-round upgauging to 767s.
 
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Re: American's 757-200 Transatlantic Routes?

Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:35 pm

ORD-MAN - winter service
 
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Re: American's 757-200 Transatlantic Routes?

Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:59 pm

I'm surprised JFK DUB is still a 757, ORD/PHL/CLT are all 330's at the moment and those flights are consistently busy. I would think a 763 would make sense on thst route. CLT-DUB started out as s 757 and by the next summer season it was upgraded to a 330 I believe.
 
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Re: American's 757-200 Transatlantic Routes?

Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:36 pm

PHL-LHR has at least one AA flight operated by a 752, at least seasonally. (Usually AA736/AA737).
 
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Re: American's 757-200 Transatlantic Routes?

Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:50 pm

JAmie2k9 wrote:
ORD-MAN - winter service


Forgot that one! :)

So we have:

BOS-CDG*
JFK-BHX
JFK-CDG (AA120/121)
JFK-DUB*
JFK-EDI*
JFK-MAN**
ORD-MAN**
PHL-AMS
PHL-BRU*
PHL-GLA*
PHL-LIS*
PHL-SNN*

*Summer seasonal
**Winter seasonal, 767 (JFK) or A330 (ORD) in Summer

chepos wrote:
I'm surprised JFK DUB is still a 757, ORD/PHL/CLT are all 330's at the moment and those flights are consistently busy. I would think a 763 would make sense on thst route. CLT-DUB started out as s 757 and by the next summer season it was upgraded to a 330 I believe.


Again - I think JFK-DUB getting upgauged will be tied to Aer Lingus joining the oneworld JV. At that point, when AA and Aer Lingus are permitted to coordinate schedules and pricing, I suspect the JV will be able to support additional capacity in this market (again, at least during the summer). As for CLT-DUB - I think that's another LUS route that is probably better suited - long-term - to a 767 than an A330. If anything, I could see the A330 going to JFK and the 767 to CLT.

33lspotter wrote:
PHL-LHR has at least one AA flight operated by a 752, at least seasonally. (Usually AA736/AA737).


Don't believe so. AA's experiment with a daytime eastbound 757 PHL-LHR didn't last long. AA is now back to just a single daily flight on the route, with an A330 - this seems like a prime candidate for upgauge to a 777 when such cross-fleeting is operationally feasible.
 
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Re: American's 757-200 Transatlantic Routes?

Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:57 pm

AA 752 to JFK ex DUB was because BRU was dropped, the route operated one season year round x4 weekly and was scrapped. It's the worst product ex DUB at the minute you have EI largely A333, DL A333 and UA have a decent product on EWR x2 daily and upgrading to B764 and B777 over the winter season.

It's a route which may be scrapped as AA can only make it viable seasonally even with EI integration I don't see it changing much.

There will be x8 daily to NY area next summer, 4 EI, 1 DL, 2 UA and 1 AA.

AA had planned to operate a B763 during June-September ether this year or last summer (need to check) but it was pulled close to when it was starting.

Appears to me the AA route is one of convenience which can make some money in summer with the 752, DUB's location and catering for peak season demand as it doesn't even run daily until mid season.

The JV may save it, who knows but many would pay more to fly EI over AA!
 
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Re: American's 757-200 Transatlantic Routes?

Sat Jul 16, 2016 3:30 pm

They are not going to axe JFK-DUB, it is a summer seasonal route and it is easy to fill a 757. Particularly once EI is fully integrated into OW.
 
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Re: American's 757-200 Transatlantic Routes?

Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:29 pm

commavia wrote:
Don't believe so. AA's experiment with a daytime eastbound 757 PHL-LHR didn't last long. AA is now back to just a single daily flight on the route, with an A330 - this seems like a prime candidate for upgauge to a 777 when such cross-fleeting is operationally feasible.


Didn't realize that it was an experiment. I simply saw it running fairly regularly so assumed that it was a supplementary trip to add on to AA728/AA729. I agree that a 777 upgauge would make sense, although probably not realistic for a while.
 
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Re: American's 757-200 Transatlantic Routes?

Sat Jul 16, 2016 7:44 pm

chepos wrote:
I'm surprised JFK DUB is still a 757, ORD/PHL/CLT are all 330's at the moment and those flights are consistently busy. I would think a 763 would make sense on thst route. CLT-DUB started out as s 757 and by the next summer season it was upgraded to a 330 I believe.


Busy summer season.

DUB-CLT reverts back to the 757 after August until it shuts down for the winter in late October.

(I wouldn't be surprised to see this route get the axe at some point. I'm not sure AA needs to serve DUB direct from four hubs(PHL, CLT, ORD and JFK) especially with EI coming onboard to OW).
 
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Re: American's 757-200 Transatlantic Routes?

Sat Jul 16, 2016 8:04 pm

It's not transatlantic, but still I think there is also:

MIA-BSB
MIA-LPB-VVI
MIA-GYE (AA933)
 
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Re: American's 757-200 Transatlantic Routes?

Sat Jul 16, 2016 8:46 pm

777PHX wrote:
chepos wrote:
I'm surprised JFK DUB is still a 757, ORD/PHL/CLT are all 330's at the moment and those flights are consistently busy. I would think a 763 would make sense on thst route. CLT-DUB started out as s 757 and by the next summer season it was upgraded to a 330 I believe.


Busy summer season.

DUB-CLT reverts back to the 757 after August until it shuts down for the winter in late October.

(I wouldn't be surprised to see this route get the axe at some point. I'm not sure AA needs to serve DUB direct from four hubs(PHL, CLT, ORD and JFK) especially with EI coming onboard to OW).


People on this site have been saying this route will go since it started and we are 5 or 6 years in now and it's still around. It is filling the A332 quiet well and I had reservations about it going A332 from B752 and agree with above post that perhaps a B763 may be better longer term or towards end of season.

I expect if AA drop it, EI will serve it but don't see the link going completely.

chepos wrote:
They are not going to axe JFK-DUB, it is a summer seasonal route and it is easy to fill a 757. Particularly once EI is fully integrated into OW.


I sort of agree but I don't see them doing much with it either.
 
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Re: American's 757-200 Transatlantic Routes?

Sat Jul 16, 2016 8:54 pm

geoshina wrote:
It's not transatlantic, but still I think there is also:

MIA-BSB
MIA-LPB-VVI
MIA-GYE (AA933)


MIA-UIO
DFW-LIM

Back to trans-Atlantic, AA previously had 757s BOS-SNN. Also BOS-CDG was a 763 for most of its existence. 757 on the route is fairly new.
 
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Re: American's 757-200 Transatlantic Routes?

Sat Jul 16, 2016 10:16 pm

33lspotter wrote:
Didn't realize that it was an experiment. I simply saw it running fairly regularly so assumed that it was a supplementary trip to add on to AA728/AA729. I agree that a 777 upgauge would make sense, although probably not realistic for a while.


Sorry for getting off topic, but why "not for a while"? PHL-ZRH (now pmAA 763) and ORD-DUB (now pmUS A330) swapped equipment a couple months ago. In theory, to allow each type to match their market better. PHL-LHR could be the next move. But if gets upgraded to 777, what would be downgraded in pmAA's network to an A330?
 
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Re: American's 757-200 Transatlantic Routes?

Sat Jul 16, 2016 11:51 pm

JAmie2k9 wrote:
777PHX wrote:
chepos wrote:
I'm surprised JFK DUB is still a 757, ORD/PHL/CLT are all 330's at the moment and those flights are consistently busy. I would think a 763 would make sense on thst route. CLT-DUB started out as s 757 and by the next summer season it was upgraded to a 330 I believe.


Busy summer season.

DUB-CLT reverts back to the 757 after August until it shuts down for the winter in late October.

(I wouldn't be surprised to see this route get the axe at some point. I'm not sure AA needs to serve DUB direct from four hubs(PHL, CLT, ORD and JFK) especially with EI coming onboard to OW).


People on this site have been saying this route will go since it started and we are 5 or 6 years in now and it's still around. It is filling the A332 quiet well and I had reservations about it going A332 from B752 and agree with above post that perhaps a B763 may be better longer term or towards end of season.

I expect if AA drop it, EI will serve it but don't see the link going completely.

chepos wrote:
They are not going to axe JFK-DUB, it is a summer seasonal route and it is easy to fill a 757. Particularly once EI is fully integrated into OW.


I sort of agree but I don't see them doing much with it either.


The problem with the 763 is that it is not dense enough. It has too many C-class seats which will never sell from CLT. Unless they are reconfigured to something like 16C218Y (like LATAM's) I do not see them taking over more leisure oriented routes like CLT-DUB...
 
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Re: American's 757-200 Transatlantic Routes?

Sun Jul 17, 2016 4:56 am

hufftheweevil wrote:
Sorry for getting off topic, but why "not for a while"? PHL-ZRH (now pmAA 763) and ORD-DUB (now pmUS A330) swapped equipment a couple months ago. In theory, to allow each type to match their market better. PHL-LHR could be the next move. But if gets upgraded to 777, what would be downgraded in pmAA's network to an A330?


I think you answered your own question – an upgauge would have to come at the expense of swapping a 777, whether a 772 or 77W, out from another route, and I don't know where they would take it from. Moreover, AA's A333s (which operate PHL-LHR) have more capacity than any of their 772s, and I would find it hard to believe that they would pull a 77W to put on a PHL route unless 1. it was outperforming one of the current 77W routes and 2. there was significant enough F demand to warrant the change.

If PHL was to get a 777 on PHL-LHR, AA might do it on a seasonal basis, but I doubt it would be a regular thing in the next year or two. Moreover, I don't know where the 777 would be taken from, whether a 772 or 77W.

Edit: Would be curious to see load factors on BA (772) PHL-LHR vs. AA's A333.
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Re: American's 757-200 Transatlantic Routes?

Sun Jul 17, 2016 11:11 am

It might not always be a one to one swap. AA just announced that the 789 is taking over two routes from DFW that were previously operated with 772's. Where are those birds going?
 
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Sun Jul 17, 2016 1:24 pm

usairways85 wrote:
It might not always be a one to one swap. AA just announced that the 789 is taking over two routes from DFW that were previously operated with 772's. Where are those birds going?


Fair enough. Back to the topic at hand – does anyone know about the seasonal BOS-CDG route, particularly how long it's been in operation? That has always been a head-scratcher of a route to me, as AA doesn't have even close to a "hub" at Logan, and both AF and DL have at least one flight per day on that route year-round.
 
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Re: American's 757-200 Transatlantic Routes?

Sun Jul 17, 2016 1:28 pm

Havent seen any recent stats but wonder how PHL-GLA will cope with all the EDI competition abd the DL JFK starting next year
 
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Re: American's 757-200 Transatlantic Routes?

Sun Jul 17, 2016 1:42 pm

usflyer msp wrote:
The problem with the 763 is that it is not dense enough. It has too many C-class seats which will never sell from CLT. Unless they are reconfigured to something like 16C218Y (like LATAM's) I do not see them taking over more leisure oriented routes like CLT-DUB...


Depending on AA's perception of the remaining useful life of the airplanes and how the airline plans to utilize them for the next 5-10 years that they're flying, I actually wouldn't be surprised at all to see AA reconfigure the relatively few remaining 767s into a higher-density, less-premium configuration. If - as appears plausible if not likely - AA plans to deploy the remaining 767s in no small part to Hawaii and Latin America (Caribbean and northern South America), I could indeed see them going into a configuration something like you've mentioned. That would have the added side benefit of facilitating better utilization across seasons - those aircraft could be deployed on thinner, higher-density Europe routes in summer and similar Caribbean/Latin America routes in winter.

33lspotter wrote:
I think you answered your own question – an upgauge would have to come at the expense of swapping a 777, whether a 772 or 77W, out from another route, and I don't know where they would take it from. Moreover, AA's A333s (which operate PHL-LHR) have more capacity than any of their 772s, and I would find it hard to believe that they would pull a 77W to put on a PHL route unless 1. it was outperforming one of the current 77W routes and 2. there was significant enough F demand to warrant the change.

If PHL was to get a 777 on PHL-LHR, AA might do it on a seasonal basis, but I doubt it would be a regular thing in the next year or two. Moreover, I don't know where the 777 would be taken from, whether a 772 or 77W.


I agree that a 77W on PHL-LHR is extremely unlikely. That said, one of the reconfigured 777s doesn't seem unthinkable at all. It's true that the reconfigured 777s seat fewer people than the A330-300, but depending on which new 777 configuration, the difference is almost nothing (289 vs 291). The 777 is certainly a bit less dense and has more premium seats, which seems logical for a route like PHL-LHR that has a not-insignificant business/premium component to its O&D. And in any event, the A330-300s will all be gone within 18 months anyway so AA will have to replace that aircraft on the PHL-LHR route with something, and the 777 is the obvious, logical choice.

usairways85 wrote:
It might not always be a one to one swap. AA just announced that the 789 is taking over two routes from DFW that were previously operated with 772's. Where are those birds going?


Indeed. With the 767s and A330-300s rapidly leaving and 787s and A350s rapidly arriving over the next few years, there is going to be dramatic change throughout AA's longhaul network as aircraft are shuffled and moved around for optimal utilization. Full crew integration, facilitating full cross-fleeting, will only further accelerate this. That said, I take the point about AA perhaps being somewhat short on 777 capacity in the near term driven not so much by lack of availability of aircraft, but more by those aircraft going in for refurbishment/reconfiguration (particularly in a matter of weeks when peak summer travel winds down).

That said, I think the bigger impediment may be crew integration. It's true that AA has dipped its toe in the water with cross-fleeting on longhaul - with the LAA 767 PHL-ZRH and LUS A330 ORD-DUB - and AA has mentioned the prospect (just as many of us predicted) of sending LUS A330s to South America this winter, displacing LAA 767s freed up for Europe. But all of that is very early at this point - more extensive cross-fleeting requires unified work groups.

33lspotter wrote:
Back to the topic at hand – does anyone know about the seasonal BOS-CDG route, particularly how long it's been in operation? That has always been a head-scratcher of a route to me, as AA doesn't have even close to a "hub" at Logan, and both AF and DL have at least one flight per day on that route year-round.


AA has had a presence on BOS-PAR going back to the mid-1990s (not sure of the exact date). The route started with A300s on BOS-ORY, and then moved to CDG when AA's entire PAR operation moved airports in October 1999. By then the route was a 767, which it remained until 2009 when it was switched (along with several other Europe routes) to a 757. It has been a 757, summer seasonal only, since then. Many have speculated that AA would exit this market but, surprisingly, it has hung on year after year. AA does still have a very strong local presence in BOS - not what it was in 2000 after the Business Express acquisition, but still strong - that presumably helps fill this plane (and compliment the five daily JV flights to LHR/MAD with BA/Iberia).
 
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Re: American's 757-200 Transatlantic Routes?

Sun Jul 17, 2016 3:18 pm

usflyer msp wrote:
The problem with the 763 is that it is not dense enough. It has too many C-class seats which will never sell from CLT. Unless they are reconfigured to something like 16C218Y (like LATAM's) I do not see them taking over more leisure oriented routes like CLT-DUB...


If that's the case the problem is CLT and capacity should be reallocated to JFK, PHL (and alternate destinations out of MIA).

16C218Y should be an embarrassment for any U.S. carrier aspiring to the reputation of a full line carrier in intercontinental service. Even DL's 'low J' 767s have 26J 29Y+ 171Y.
 
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Re: American's 757-200 Transatlantic Routes?

Sun Jul 17, 2016 4:34 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:
The problem with the 763 is that it is not dense enough. It has too many C-class seats which will never sell from CLT. Unless they are reconfigured to something like 16C218Y (like LATAM's) I do not see them taking over more leisure oriented routes like CLT-DUB...


If that's the case the problem is CLT and capacity should be reallocated to JFK, PHL (and alternate destinations out of MIA).

16C218Y should be an embarrassment for any U.S. carrier aspiring to the reputation of a full line carrier in intercontinental service. Even DL's 'low J' 767s have 26J 29Y+ 171Y.


I disagree. There is nothing embarrassing about it, AA knows their market and configures their aircraft accordingly. The 332's only have 20C class seats. CLT-Europe is a volume market not a premium cabin market and AA is fine with that. Most of these CLT flights are seasonal and AA has no problems selling $1500+ Y-class RT's to Europe during the summer. They make plenty of money doing it...
 
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Sun Jul 17, 2016 4:47 pm

usflyer msp wrote:
I disagree. There is nothing embarrassing about it, AA knows their market and configures their aircraft accordingly. The 332's only have 20C class seats. CLT-Europe is a volume market not a premium cabin market and AA is fine with that. Most of these CLT flights are seasonal and AA has no problems selling $1500+ Y-class RT's to Europe during the summer. They make plenty of money doing it...


Indeed.

It's no secret that the USAirways network was far less oriented towards premium travel than the AA network, and that USAirways' hubs - particularly CLT - were large on volume but less on high-yielding O&D. Thus precisely the reason why the LUS longhaul fleet has an average of 8.6% premium seats compared to 14.5% among the LAA longhaul aircraft types. And thus precisely why markets like CLT would be more appropriately served with more densely-configured aircraft such as the USAirways A330 fleet. And all that said, flying widebodies with very high density in markets where it's appropriate is hardly unique to USAirways. AA's A300s at the end had just 6.3% premium seats (16 out of 266) - that's a lower percentage than any USAirways widebody. But it fit the missions those planes flew - lower-yielding, higher-volume Latin America.

As said, it will all come down to AA's perception of the remaining useful life of its remaining 767 fleet, but if AA thinks the payback time horizon is worth it, and particularly as more and more new 787s and A350s arrive to backfill existing 767 missions, it would not at all surprise me to see AA reconfigure the remaining 767s to a high-density layout approaching that of the A300s towards the end - with a very small premium cabin and densely packed Y. It would seem to be a perfect fit for what will likely be the final missions the AA 767s operate before retirement - 8-hour-or-less flights to/from Hawaii and Latin America - similar to the DC10s and A300s.

More apropos to the original intent of this thread, I actually think AA faces a bigger challenge replacing the 757 mission than the 767 mission. Through upgauging and creative scheduling, I suspect a mix of redirected A330s and 777s, along with new 787s and A350s, can likely replace the 767s fairly easily in most of the places they now fly. The 757, though? I don't think we'll be seeing 787s on PHL-LIS or A350s on MIA-LPB anytime soon. It seems like, if anything, the A321NEO may be the only option there, but that, too, is less clear as the A321NEO - as good of a plane as it appears it will be - is not a true 757 replacement in terms of capacity or capability.
 
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Re: American's 757-200 Transatlantic Routes?

Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:55 am

usflyer msp wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:
The problem with the 763 is that it is not dense enough. It has too many C-class seats which will never sell from CLT. Unless they are reconfigured to something like 16C218Y (like LATAM's) I do not see them taking over more leisure oriented routes like CLT-DUB...


If that's the case the problem is CLT and capacity should be reallocated to JFK, PHL (and alternate destinations out of MIA).

16C218Y should be an embarrassment for any U.S. carrier aspiring to the reputation of a full line carrier in intercontinental service. Even DL's 'low J' 767s have 26J 29Y+ 171Y.


I disagree. There is nothing embarrassing about it, AA knows their market and configures their aircraft accordingly. The 332's only have 20C class seats. CLT-Europe is a volume market not a premium cabin market and AA is fine with that. Most of these CLT flights are seasonal and AA has no problems selling $1500+ Y-class RT's to Europe during the summer. They make plenty of money doing it...


I seem to remember tha AA was some years ago (maybe occasionally?) flying "denser" domestic 757s in the summer months to Manchester and perhaps Dublin or Shannon? Did I just dream this?
 
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Re: American's 757-200 Transatlantic Routes?

Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:06 pm

oldannyboy wrote:
I seem to remember tha AA was some years ago (maybe occasionally?) flying "denser" domestic 757s in the summer months to Manchester and perhaps Dublin or Shannon? Did I just dream this?


Around 2009 ish if I remember correctly, AA flew the domestic configured B757 from BOS to MAN, and sold domestic F as business class (which apparently didn't go down well).

Needless to say, the route didn't last long in that format.
 
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Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:18 pm

oldannyboy wrote:
I seem to remember tha AA was some years ago (maybe occasionally?) flying "denser" domestic 757s in the summer months to Manchester and perhaps Dublin or Shannon? Did I just dream this?

User001 wrote:
Around 2009 ish if I remember correctly, AA flew the domestic configured B757 from BOS to MAN, and sold domestic F as business class (which apparently didn't go down well).

Needless to say, the route didn't last long in that format.


Close. AA did, indeed, fly both BOS-MAN and BOS-SNN with 757s, although it was earlier than 2009 (believe BOS-MAN started in 2005 and BOS-SNN a year later). Both flights operated with domestic-configured, 188-seat 757s (typically sold as F22Y166) but were actually sold as single-class (Y188) on these routes with the 22 domestic F seats often occupied by top-tier AA FFs.
 
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Re: American's 757-200 Transatlantic Routes?

Tue Jul 19, 2016 5:13 pm

The international configured 757s aren't going away just yet are they? I know the domestic birds are going or perhaps already gone but I thought AA was keeping the intl ones around a bit longer for some of the long/thin routes mentioned above.
 
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Re: American's 757-200 Transatlantic Routes?

Tue Jul 19, 2016 5:27 pm

JAmie2k9 wrote:
777PHX wrote:
chepos wrote:
I'm surprised JFK DUB is still a 757, ORD/PHL/CLT are all 330's at the moment and those flights are consistently busy. I would think a 763 would make sense on thst route. CLT-DUB started out as s 757 and by the next summer season it was upgraded to a 330 I believe.


Busy summer season.

DUB-CLT reverts back to the 757 after August until it shuts down for the winter in late October.

(I wouldn't be surprised to see this route get the axe at some point. I'm not sure AA needs to serve DUB direct from four hubs(PHL, CLT, ORD and JFK) especially with EI coming onboard to OW).


People on this site have been saying this route will go since it started and we are 5 or 6 years in now and it's still around. It is filling the A332 quiet well and I had reservations about it going A332 from B752 and agree with above post that perhaps a B763 may be better longer term or towards end of season.

I expect if AA drop it, EI will serve it but don't see the link going completely.

chepos wrote:
They are not going to axe JFK-DUB, it is a summer seasonal route and it is easy to fill a 757. Particularly once EI is fully integrated into OW.


I sort of agree but I don't see them doing much with it either.


Given that CLT has already lost some longhaul international service, I don't think it's a stretch to speculate that it might lose seasonal service to a second tier European city as well.

I'm not saying it's going to happen, but the route clearly isn't a year round powerhouse full of high value, premium traffic either.
 
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Re: American's 757-200 Transatlantic Routes?

Tue Jul 19, 2016 5:37 pm

commavia wrote:
It seems like, if anything, the A321NEO may be the only option there, but that, too, is less clear as the A321NEO - as good of a plane as it appears it will be - is not a true 757 replacement in terms of capacity or capability.


I wonder if Boeing is seeing this also. AA seems like the best of the US3 to pitch the new 737-7MAX and MoM aircraft to. AA's 757s are older than UA's and are flown more heavily. Would the new -7MAX be able to do TATL from CLT?
 
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Re: American's 757-200 Transatlantic Routes?

Tue Jul 19, 2016 6:24 pm

by738 wrote:
Havent seen any recent stats but wonder how PHL-GLA will cope with all the EDI competition abd the DL JFK starting next year


The effect next year of Delta to JFK may have more of an effect on United's daily GLA to EWR service, that remains, to be seen. As a GLA local I do know that the AA/US service to PHL does provide a cost affordable alternative to families seeking to holiday in Florida and Disney (via Philly and Charlotte too sometimes) versus the direct and premium cost services to Orlando by Thomas Cook, Virgin Atlantic etc. Despite the closeness (less than 50 miles) the GLA and EDI catchment areas still appeal to slightly different markets, something that's odd and very peculiar to the Scottish central belt population and is largely exacerbated by a general desire by the populous to avoid the overly congested M8 motorway route, linking the two airports/cities.
 
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Re: American's 757-200 Transatlantic Routes?

Tue Jul 19, 2016 6:43 pm

I've heard (maybe I'm imagining it) that AA will finally install AVOD on the TATL 757s?
 
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Re: American's 757-200 Transatlantic Routes?

Tue Jul 19, 2016 6:54 pm

Slightly old news at this point but PHL-AMS is going to a LAA 752 around the Dec. timeframe. PHL-DUB remains a LUS 752. The S17 schedule is still not set to see if there are any other PHL 757 flights (SNN, LIS, GLA) going to a LAA 752.
 
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Re: American's 757-200 Transatlantic Routes?

Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:26 pm

commavia wrote:
oldannyboy wrote:
I seem to remember tha AA was some years ago (maybe occasionally?) flying "denser" domestic 757s in the summer months to Manchester and perhaps Dublin or Shannon? Did I just dream this?

User001 wrote:
Around 2009 ish if I remember correctly, AA flew the domestic configured B757 from BOS to MAN, and sold domestic F as business class (which apparently didn't go down well).

Needless to say, the route didn't last long in that format.


Close. AA did, indeed, fly both BOS-MAN and BOS-SNN with 757s, although it was earlier than 2009 (believe BOS-MAN started in 2005 and BOS-SNN a year later). B.


Got BOS-MAN operating 2004 to 2007. Passenger numbers in those years were 52932, 75207,78933 and 59466.

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