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BA to announce new US destination by the end of this Summer?

Tue Jul 19, 2016 5:54 pm

If I'm not mistaken, I think there was something stating BA had plans to announce a new US destination by the end of the summer. If so, I wonder where they would go.
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Re: BA to announce new US destination by the end of this Summer?

Tue Jul 19, 2016 5:57 pm

My guess is BNA. It's been rumored for a long time now.
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Re: BA to announce new US destination by the end of this Summer?

Tue Jul 19, 2016 6:01 pm

I am guessing STL or maybe even MSY from LGW.
 
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Re: BA to announce new US destination by the end of this Summer?

Tue Jul 19, 2016 6:11 pm

Yeah, I've heard BNA, MSY, STL are contenders.
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Re: BA to announce new US destination by the end of this Summer?

Tue Jul 19, 2016 6:34 pm

PDX has been rumored for quite a while now.
 
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Tue Jul 19, 2016 6:44 pm

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PDX I don't see happening since DL has already announced LHR service next summer and PDX already has service to Europe anyway. That would be a bloodbath.
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Re: BA to announce new US destination by the end of this Summer?

Tue Jul 19, 2016 6:47 pm

Maybe MCO from LHR
 
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Re: BA to announce new US destination by the end of this Summer?

Tue Jul 19, 2016 6:52 pm

I wish I had a hundred bucks for every time this topic comes up.
 
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Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:02 pm

MaxxFlyer wrote:
I wish I had a hundred bucks for every time this topic comes up.


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Re: BA to announce new US destination by the end of this Summer?

Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:07 pm

We know (through expense reports) that MSY's director has been in talks with BA officials even as Condor was preparing to announce its FRA service. The business and tourism leaders are still talking about London and pushing hard for it. The hope is that landing DE will give local leaders an advantage in negotiations to bring BA in sooner rather than later.
 
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Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:08 pm

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Maybe MCO from LHR


BA classifies this as a leisure route (even through MCO locals know better) and as such wants it from LGW. VS operates THREE 747's to Orlando, and VS will probably beat BA to the punch with the LHR flight, much like SEA. Until BA realizes this, avgeeks like me will keep flying the queen of the skies :)
 
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Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:22 pm

I think MSY is served well enough through FRA with Condor and as it is a leisure destination for most in Europe, I think its out for BA.
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Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:40 pm

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Re: BA to announce new US destination by the end of this Summer?

Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:47 pm

New Orleans does have some business traffic - not sure if it is enough to sustain a route, but New Orleans is now, and has always been, more than a leisure destination. I think that there may well be enough traffic originating on the US side as well as European side.
 
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Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:51 pm

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Re: BA to announce new US destination by the end of this Summer?

Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:54 pm

KTPAFlyer wrote:
UAEflyer wrote:
Maybe MCO from LHR


VS operates THREE 747's to Orlando, and VS will probably beat BA to the punch with the LHR flight, much like SEA. Until BA realizes this, avgeeks like me will keep flying the queen of the skies :)


But BA have been flying between LHR and SEA for years, twice daily at the moment. Did you mean PDX? - but if so, that's a Delta introduction, not VS.
Could you suggest what VS (or I suppose DL) would cancel in order to provide an LHR slot to fly from there to MCO? And given the announcement at the Farnborough Air Show, if you stick with VS you'll find yourself on an A350 in a couple of years time from/to LGW.

Now BA do have LHR slots they are using for shorthaul flights which could be rearranged for longhaul routes, but what they don't have is spare longhaul aircraft, there's been quite an influx of new 789s so far this year which have allowed a number of new routes to be started already, as well as the replacement of the last of the long haul 763s in less than 2 weeks time after the usual fleet reshuffle, and a couple of elderly 744s at the end of the summer timetable. Announced but still to start are Teheran and Santiago (Chile), this will use up the remaining 789s that are still to be delivered this year. It's always possible that some creative rescheduling, reducing frequency somewhere, or AA taking over a transatlantic rotation would enable another route to be started this year, but otherwise the next new longhaul aircraft isn't due until late 2017. That's a solitary 788, after that nothing else is due until spring 2018.
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Re: BA to announce new US destination by the end of this Summer?

Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:00 pm

Pretty sure LHR-MSP and LHR-DTW are pretty high up there.

Some interesting ones are MAN-LAX, LGW-HNL, LHR-SAC, LHR-OAK.

Also, it is highly unlikely, but AA could give BA one of their perimeter restrictions at DCA for a daily LHR-DCA flight. They are using 3 on PHX so I'm sure one of those could go, or all 3 PHX flights could switch from A319's/A320's to A321's.
 
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Re: BA to announce new US destination by the end of this Summer?

Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:22 pm

gregn21 wrote:
Pretty sure LHR-MSP and LHR-DTW are pretty high up there.

Some interesting ones are MAN-LAX, LGW-HNL, LHR-SAC, LHR-OAK.

Also, it is highly unlikely, but AA could give BA one of their perimeter restrictions at DCA for a daily LHR-DCA flight. They are using 3 on PHX so I'm sure one of those could go, or all 3 PHX flights could switch from A319's/A320's to A321's.

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Re: BA to announce new US destination by the end of this Summer?

Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:37 pm

Unless BNA plans on doing something fast with there international gate and concourse "A" I don't see BA or anyone else for that matter operating at transatlantic flight.
 
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Re: BA to announce new US destination by the end of this Summer?

Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:39 pm

I think a lot will depend on the impact of Brexit on BA's corporate/premium traffic levels. Anecdotally, there are signs of a slowdown in some UK corporate activity and if this translates into falling traffic at BA, it's unlikely there will be any capacity growth next year.
 
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Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:40 pm

FLIHGH wrote:
gregn21 wrote:
Pretty sure LHR-MSP and LHR-DTW are pretty high up there.

Some interesting ones are MAN-LAX, LGW-HNL, LHR-SAC, LHR-OAK.

Also, it is highly unlikely, but AA could give BA one of their perimeter restrictions at DCA for a daily LHR-DCA flight. They are using 3 on PHX so I'm sure one of those could go, or all 3 PHX flights could switch from A319's/A320's to A321's.

DCA...With what plane?![/quote

I don't Think DCA can accept international flights.
 
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Re: BA to announce new US destination by the end of this Summer?

Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:44 pm

DL/VS went for Portland basically to ensure they got there first.

My money would be on a daily 787-8 to Nashville for BA. I'd be really surprised if it was anything else ;-)
 
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Re: BA to announce new US destination by the end of this Summer?

Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:04 pm

Ramprat212 wrote:
FLIHGH wrote:
gregn21 wrote:
Pretty sure LHR-MSP and LHR-DTW are pretty high up there.

Some interesting ones are MAN-LAX, LGW-HNL, LHR-SAC, LHR-OAK.

Also, it is highly unlikely, but AA could give BA one of their perimeter restrictions at DCA for a daily LHR-DCA flight. They are using 3 on PHX so I'm sure one of those could go, or all 3 PHX flights could switch from A319's/A320's to A321's.

DCA...With what plane?![/quote

I don't Think DCA can accept international flights.


They have to be precleared, that is how AC is able to fly there.

That said the beyond perimeter slots are restricted to the route awarded with the slot. AA (or anybody else) cannot just change what cities they serve with the slots without permission from the DOT, and of course have no authority to just give the slot to another airline. AA is not going to go to the DOT and ask for slot changes. Being the dominant carrier at DCA with by far the most beyond-perimeter slots there would be a high likelihood of other airlines challenging any AA request and AA possibly losing the slot in a re-competition bid.
 
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Re: BA to announce new US destination by the end of this Summer?

Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:18 pm

Ramprat212 wrote:
FLIHGH wrote:
gregn21 wrote:
Pretty sure LHR-MSP and LHR-DTW are pretty high up there.

Some interesting ones are MAN-LAX, LGW-HNL, LHR-SAC, LHR-OAK.

Also, it is highly unlikely, but AA could give BA one of their perimeter restrictions at DCA for a daily LHR-DCA flight. They are using 3 on PHX so I'm sure one of those could go, or all 3 PHX flights could switch from A319's/A320's to A321's.

DCA...With what plane?![/quote

I don't Think DCA can accept international flights.



They can, just not all the way from Europe. They have plenty of flights to Canada.
 
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Re: BA to announce new US destination by the end of this Summer?

Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:23 pm

Ramprat212 wrote:
Unless BNA plans on doing something fast with there international gate and concourse "A" I don't see BA or anyone else for that matter operating at transatlantic flight.


What is the situation here? I've heard it mentioned but what would be keeping a Euro flight away?

Based on some numbers from 2013, the largest unserved markets to London in order are MSY, STL, HNL, CMH, and BNA. Of those, MSY had the highest number overall to Europe, even more than AUS. Now CMH could be within 757 range, giving it an advantage. HNL is probably too long, thin, and low-yielding.

I think MSY, STL, CMH, and BNA are all serious contenders. It seems to be a question of who can put up enough incentive money at this point. For MSY, tourism, cruises, and shipping are big business and might be able to put together something attractive - they've certainly been trying.

I used to live in Ohio and would have loved to see CLE land BA as well, but their facility needs work and the airport's high debt and CPE is a problem.
 
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Re: BA to announce new US destination by the end of this Summer?

Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:26 pm

"or all 3 PHX flights could switch from A319's/A320's to A321's."

That would make a lot of sense since both America West and USAirways flew 757s DCA-PHX.
 
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Re: BA to announce new US destination by the end of this Summer?

Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:31 pm

I of course and biased, but PDX makes the most sense, and here is why.

MSY and BNA are both absolutely awesome towns, but they are, for the most part, purely O&D. The same is true for MSP and DTW (albeit much larger catchments). PDX makes the most sense because of the tie-in with British Airways. I doubt this is in any way related, but Alaska has been playing radio ads that talk about the mileage plan partners they have and what airlines you can fly on and earn miles with the Alaska Mileage Plan. BA, HU, and FI are all mentioned, and I've been hearing them a lot on Portland radio.

Anyway, BA to Portland makes good sense because of the obvious association with Alaska. You can argue all you want about DL being first to the PDX/LHR market with their less than daily seasonal service. To me it's a power play, and that routing with that airline is all about O&D. BA enters the equation and everything changes.

Of course it's not a slam dunk and we could all be surprised, but looking at the facts, demos, economies, etc., Portland is a great candidate for BA service and it too has been rumored since the beginning of time it seems.
 
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Re: BA to announce new US destination by the end of this Summer?

Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:33 pm

msycajun wrote:
Ramprat212 wrote:
Based on some numbers from 2013, the largest unserved markets to London in order are MSY, STL, HNL, CMH, and BNA.


What is the source of those 2013 numbers? I hope its not that misleading Anna.Aero article which falsely declared MSY to be BA's next US destination a few years ago.

AFAIK both IND and PIT (which were excluded from that study) have higher demand to London than STL, CMH, and BNA [according to 2011 Brookings data], so I wouldn't count those two out. IND also has higher demand than HNL.

I agree it will come down to the incentive package, but disagree FIS facilities in BNA and CLE will factor in any decision. If BA decides on CLE or BNA, appropriate upgrades would be made, that's a no brainer.
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Re: BA to announce new US destination by the end of this Summer?

Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:31 pm

From what I've heard for the most part, BNA's biggest problem with their FIS is that it's understaffed.
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Re: BA to announce new US destination by the end of this Summer?

Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:35 pm

gregn21 wrote:
Pretty sure LHR-MSP and LHR-DTW are pretty high up there.

Some interesting ones are MAN-LAX, LGW-HNL, LHR-SAC, LHR-OAK.

Also, it is highly unlikely, but AA could give BA one of their perimeter restrictions at DCA for a daily LHR-DCA flight. They are using 3 on PHX so I'm sure one of those could go, or all 3 PHX flights could switch from A319's/A320's to A321's.

DTW is a former destination. Not sure BA would be making another attempt.
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Re: BA to announce new US destination by the end of this Summer?

Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:01 am

msycajun wrote:
Based on some numbers from 2013, the largest unserved markets to London in order are MSY, STL, HNL, CMH, and BNA. Of those, MSY had the highest number overall to Europe, even more than AUS.

Bingo. MSY is now ahead of where AUS was in 2013 (in terms of O&D to LON, to Europe in total, and average fare... even though it was already ahead of AUS in the latter two even then).


flyPIT wrote:
What is the source of those 2013 numbers?

Sabre MI.
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Re: BA to announce new US destination by the end of this Summer?

Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:12 am

IND is not out of the question, as there would be plenty of demand for a nonstop, although it might not have the numbers for a daily flight. MSY will not happen. Too much coach traffic and relatively little business save some demand by oil companies that would prefer LHR anyway. MSP is a terrible idea. Trust me on that.
 
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Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:30 am

The typical contenders MSY, STL, HNL, CMH, IND, and BNA. They all have very similar number of enplanements from the 2011 data. It is going to come down to the number of business travelers, BA does not thrive on serving low yielding destinations. Really hope BA chooses a city with no TATL service as of now. Hoping for IND

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Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:17 am

thekorean wrote:
Ramprat212 wrote:
FLIHGH wrote:

DCA...With what plane?![/quote

I don't Think DCA can accept international flights.



They can, just not all the way from Europe. They have plenty of flights to Canada.

Bahamas, too.
 
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Re: BA to announce new US destination by the end of this Summer?

Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:39 am

Can't see DTW coming back, it died a slow death much like the local economy. With DTW a DL hub, BA would be at quite the disadvantage, unlike ATL, the p2p revenue isn't quite there I suspect.
btw IKA-LHR has begun? Or it's on the daily arrivals on the website anyway.
 
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Re: BA to announce new US destination by the end of this Summer?

Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:09 am

A dark horse but perhaps Kansas City, MO could be a candidate too.
 
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Re: BA to announce new US destination by the end of this Summer?

Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:22 am

FLIHGH wrote:
thekorean wrote:
Ramprat212 wrote:
DCA...With what plane?![/quote

I don't Think DCA can accept international flights.



They can, just not all the way from Europe. They have plenty of flights to Canada.

Bahamas, too.


That's because all of these locations have pre-clearance and arrive in the US as domestic flights. The length of the flight does not matter the passengers just have to be cleared before they land at DCA as it has no FIS for commercial flights.
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Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:02 am

Since someone mentioned transatlantic not necessarily meaning USA........YEG, perhaps......and for a number of reasons (1) no more AC to LHR.... (2) KL has less seats to AMS, due to going with smaller equipment(787 instead of A330).....(3) UA dropping YEG-ORD(less connection options to Europe)...... (4) WestJet's new London service has not been all that reliable.....
 
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Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:26 am

MKE announces plans for new international terminal. BA announcing new destination. Coincidence? :lol: I think not!!
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Re: BA to announce new US destination by the end of this Summer?

Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:45 am

Definitely not MCO to LHR....they've gotten LGW captured. DTW is ruled in as a possibility since BA never really said service would be gone forever. BA has probably met with someone from DTW since the goal for the airport seems to be more than 2 daily LHR.
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Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:14 am

southwest1675 wrote:
From what I've heard for the most part, BNA's biggest problem with their FIS is that it's understaffed.


And poorly designed, after you Clear customs and immigration you than have to go though a TSA check point with all your bags and get screened because you have to enter the secured side of the A concourse in order to get to the main terminal. It's a bit of a hike with all your checked bags, carry on bags, kids, stroller etc,etc. also there is no transfer point so making a connecting flight although slim would be a major pain.

FIS-get you and all your bags screened by TSA-hike to the Main terminal/check-in- recheck in-TSA screening again- hike to appropriate concourse.
 
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Re: BA to announce new US destination by the end of this Summer?

Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:14 am

usdcaguy wrote:
MSY will not happen. Too much coach traffic and relatively little business save some demand by oil companies that would prefer LHR anyway.

Except that MSY boasts the trinity of largest O&D to LON of any unserved US market, largest O&D to Europe as a whole of any (as of yet) unserved US market, and the highest average fare to both.

Not "or"... "and."


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Trust me on that

No thanks.
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skipness1E wrote:
btw IKA-LHR has begun? Or it's on the daily arrivals on the website anyway.


Yes, it appears on the website arrivals list, but shows up as cancelled every day. In fact the launch has been deferred until September, apparently due to late delivery of 789s (Not Boeing's fault - blame the seat supplier).
 
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Re: BA to announce new US destination by the end of this Summer?

Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:24 am

My money would be on MSY. I talk to a lot of people here who are or have been recently to that neck of the woods so its probably very high on their list, even if not daily, its gotta come.
 
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Re: BA to announce new US destination by the end of this Summer?

Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:53 am

My money is on Detroit
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Re: BA to announce new US destination by the end of this Summer?

Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:28 pm

What about Salt Lake City or MSP ? Pittsburgh ?
 
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Re: BA to announce new US destination by the end of this Summer?

Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:43 pm

CMH is so popular that when B6 decided to re-enter Ohio they skipped their old established hunting grounds and chose CLE. :)

I have a feeling if they choose another city it will be along the lines of MCO, DTW, maybe MSP. I don't think they're going the STL, MSY or BNA route. Then again they may not choose to expand at all.
 
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Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:01 pm

flyPIT wrote:
AFAIK both IND and PIT (which were excluded from that study) have higher demand to London than STL, CMH, and BNA [according to 2011 Brookings data], so I wouldn't count those two out. IND also has higher demand than HNL.
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Source?

I would be shocked if IND had a higher demand than STL, considering STL has more big business, one million more people in its MSA, and as far as I can tell, more international PDEWs than IND does.
 
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Re: BA to announce new US destination by the end of this Summer?

Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:03 pm

Slightly off-topic but does anyone here know how the new SJC route has fared so far with BA ? It might be a bit too early.

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