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SunCEO
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BUZZzzzz

Sun Feb 03, 2002 4:10 am

Hi!
Can anyone tell me what routes BUZZ use their 737's on? If possible I want to avoid them!
Thanks,
SunCEO.
 
richardw
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RE: BUZZzzzz

Sun Feb 03, 2002 8:16 am

We could avoid the BAe 146 aswell, wot no elbow room!
 
SunCEO
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RE: BUZZzzzz

Mon Feb 04, 2002 4:19 am

Nah...I;m sick of B737 I wanna fly 146.

Was thinkin of FRA until I saw a pick of one of their 737's in FRA....

Rgds,
SunCEO.
 
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RE: BUZZzzzz

Mon Feb 04, 2002 4:21 am

You'd better hurry, because the b737 has been slated to replace the expensive BAe 146 at Buzz.

From personal experience, the Paris flight always get the 146. (Done it 3 times with Buzz).

Regards
 
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RE: BUZZzzzz

Mon Feb 04, 2002 4:55 am

I was on a STN-HEL sector in July and the inflight mag said that KLM had asked for the 737's to be returned to re-enter mainline KLM service because they wanted to boost the STN-AMS route.
 
LGW
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RE: BUZZzzzz

Mon Feb 04, 2002 6:02 am

Usally Paris and Helsinki but HEL is going soon so dont know. FRA is mainly a 146.

BTW I flew Buzz on their 146's there a good airline room is OK for a low-fares airline


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LJ
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RE: BUZZzzzz

Mon Feb 04, 2002 6:15 am

B737 returned to whom? They've never flown for KLMuk nor KLM in the past.

Regards
Laurens
 
greenjet
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RE: BUZZzzzz

Mon Feb 04, 2002 7:13 am

Lj is correct. The 737s are former Deutsche BA aircraft.
 
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RE: BUZZzzzz

Mon Feb 04, 2002 7:26 am

Is this airline making any money?
 
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RE: BUZZzzzz

Mon Feb 04, 2002 7:36 am

Allegedly not-not that I'm an expert, but from what I understand, the 146 is not the right a/c for a 'low-cost' airline.

They've recently axed routes which weren't performing well enough (too long, loads were too light); Vienna and Helsinki are a case in point.

Milan was doing well apparently, but this, along with HEL will be off their network from March 30th.

Explanations for dropping HEL & Milan are given on the Buzz website.

From personal experience, they offered great 'promotional' fares (60 pounds round-trip to HEL, 30 to Paris), although their 'standard' fares were slightly on the pricey end.

Ryanair are the only airline which seem to be able to consistantly offer very good fares and operate at very high margins (25%+)-compare with BA, which are desperate to acheive their 10% goal!

Regards
 
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RE: BUZZzzzz

Mon Feb 04, 2002 9:07 am

Elbow room is a bit tight but seat pitch is fine on the 146...It was better than I expected for 30 pounds.
 
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RE: BUZZzzzz

Mon Feb 04, 2002 1:39 pm

Lj - It's funny you say that KLM don't operate 737's. Some other airline must be flying planes around with the KLM titles because I've seen lots of blue 737's with KLM written on the side.
 
yak42
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RE: BUZZzzzz

Tue Feb 05, 2002 2:04 am

Seat pitch is very good on the Buzz 146s 32 inches I think,
and their not really that narrow either.
Who's to say this airline isnt making money, do you really know that its not.
The Berlin route is sure to be operated with the 146.
 
greenjet
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RE: BUZZzzzz

Tue Feb 05, 2002 3:17 am

The airline is not making money at present as it recently announced that their target for break-even has been put back another year. Also the constant chopping and changing of routes indicates that they are not doing as well as they'd like. If you look at airlines like Ryanair and easyJet they very rarely withdraw routes.

The 146 is the wrong aircraft for a low cost airline due to its relatively high unit costs. Another reason for Buzz's struggle is its use of expensive airports, such as CDG.
 
vfw614
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RE: BUZZzzzz

Tue Feb 05, 2002 7:08 am

Lj - It's funny you say that KLM don't operate 737's. Some other airline must be flying planes around with the KLM titles because I've seen lots of blue 737's with KLM written on the side.

LJ was talking about the two Buzz 737-300s which in fact were never operated by KLM or are owned by KLM. They were directly leased by KLM uk/buzz from the lessor. I could imagine that you meant that KLM uk wants to use the buzz 737s on its AMS-STN route. KLM uk has used Buzz' BAe 146-300s on that route in the past as these are slightly larger than the KLM uk Fokker 100s (by 11 seats if memory serves) and KLM uk needed the extra capacity of the BAe 146s.

 
SunCEO
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RE: BUZZzzzz

Wed Feb 06, 2002 4:58 am

OK well thanks for the advice.

SunCEO.

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