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OAG Changes 7/29/2016:F9 SAN-MCO,NK Big Reshuffle,UA New Routes,WN

Sun Jul 24, 2016 2:18 pm

FAQ

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares departures for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

WHERE ARE SEATS SHOWN?
They aren't. This only shows departures.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Flights that do not operate every day of the month create fractional service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. For example, if a flight operates 4 times in April it will show 4/30=0.133=0.1. Also , a flight that only operates once per week may vary between 0.1 and 0.2 because a weekday may repeat either 4 or 5 times depending on the month.

WHAT ABOUT CARRIERS THAT DON'T PUBLISH A SCHEDULE 9 MONTHS IN ADVANCE?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. I remove the schedule adds if I see them and show a year over year (YOY) comparison if I notice them.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE SKYWEST
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THIS LOOKS LIKE AN ERROR?
The carriers file the schedules. They do make mistakes. Most of the mistakes I have seen are either related to code shares not being marked as "duplicates" or carriers filing flights with invalid data such as equipment codes that are not standard. This causes flights to not appear.

CHARTERS?
Lately charters have been showing up in the database. I have no idea if that will continue.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

3F CGA-HYL OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3 JAN 0>3 FEB 0>3 MAR 0>3
3F CGA-KLW OCT 0.8>0 NOV 0.9>0 DEC 0.9>0 JAN 0.8>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.9>0
3F HYL-KTN OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3 JAN 0>3 FEB 0>3 MAR 0>3
3F KLW-KTN OCT 0.8>0 NOV 0.9>0 DEC 0.9>0 JAN 0.8>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.9>0
3F KTB-KTN OCT 0.8>3 NOV 0.9>3 DEC 0.9>3 JAN 0.8>3 FEB 0.9>3 MAR 0.9>3
3F KTN-MTM OCT 0.8>3 NOV 0.9>3 DEC 0.9>3 JAN 0.8>3 FEB 0.9>3 MAR 0.9>3

3M MIA-BIM FEB 0.6>0.8 MAR 0.6>1.2

4M MIA-EZE DEC 1.0>1.3 JAN 1.0>1.5 FEB 1.0>1.6 MAR 1.0>1.2
*4M MIA-PUJ JAN 0.1>0 FEB 0.1>0 MAR 0.1>0

7H AKI-TLT AUG 3>1.9 SEP 3>1.9 OCT 3>1.8 NOV 3>1.8 DEC 3>1.8 JAN 3>1.8 FEB 3>1.9 MAR 3>1.9
7H ATT-NUP AUG 0.9>0 SEP 0.9>0 OCT 0.8>0 NOV 0.9>0 DEC 0.9>0 JAN 0.8>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.9>0
7H AUK-EMK AUG 1.0>3 SEP 1.0>3 OCT 1.0>3 NOV 1.0>3 DEC 1.0>3 JAN 1.0>3 FEB 1.0>3 MAR 1.0>3
7H BET-EEK AUG 4>3 SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3
7H BET-KWT AUG 3>1.9 SEP 3>1.9 OCT 3>1.8 NOV 3>1.8 DEC 3>1.8 JAN 3>1.8 FEB 3>1.9 MAR 3>1.9
7H BET-SXP AUG 0>1.7 SEP 0>1.7 OCT 0>1.7 NOV 0>1.7 DEC 0>1.7 JAN 0>1.7 FEB 0>1.7 MAR 0>1.7
7H BET-WTL AUG 4>3 SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3
7H EEK-KWN AUG 4>3 SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3
7H EMK-KOT AUG 1.0>3 SEP 1.0>3 OCT 1.0>3 NOV 1.0>3 DEC 1.0>3 JAN 1.0>3 FEB 1.0>3 MAR 1.0>3
7H KKA-UNK AUG 0.9>1.9 SEP 0.9>1.9 OCT 1.0>2 NOV 1.0>1.9 DEC 1.0>1.9 JAN 1.0>1.9 FEB 1.0>2 MAR 1.0>1.8
7H KKH-KWK AUG 3>2 SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2 NOV 3>1.9 DEC 3>1.9 JAN 3>1.9 FEB 3>2 MAR 3>2
7H KOT-KSM MAR 1.0>0.7
7H KOT-WBB AUG 0.5>0.3 SEP 0.4>0.3 OCT 0.4>0.3 NOV 0.4>0.3 DEC 0.4>0.3 JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.2
7H KSM-SXP MAR 1.0>0.7

9K ACK-BOS SEP 20>21 OCT 12>13
9K ACK-HPN OCT 0.9>0.5
9K FLL-NSB SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2
9K HPN-HYA OCT 0.2>0.1
9K MPB-NSB AUG 1.0>1.8 SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2 NOV 1.0>1.2

AC MSY-YYZ JAN 1.0>1.7 FEB 1.0>1.8 MAR 1.0>1.9
*AC SAN-YVR JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
AC SFO-YUL MAR 0.9>2

AM ORD-GDL OCT 1.0>1.5

*AS EWR-SAN DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
*AS PDX-EWR NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0

BW MCO-KIN JAN 0.3>0.1 FEB 0.3>0 MAR 0.3>0

CA IAH-PEK SEP 0.7>0.6

CM MIA-PTY DEC 5>6 JAN 5>6
CM SFO-PTY NOV 1.0>2.0 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>2 MAR 1.0>2

DL ATL-CHO NOV 3>4 JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4
DL ATL-MHH NOV 0.4>0.3
DL JFK-LIR NOV 0.1>0
DL JFK-ORF DEC 1.4>1.0
DL JFK-RDU MAR 6>5
*DL MSP-PBI JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
DL PHL-LHR OCT 0.7>0.5

DY JFK-ARN MAR 0.4>0.5
DY JFK-CPH MAR 0.4>0.5
DY JFK-LGW MAR 0.8>1.0
DY JFK-OSL MAR 0.3>0.5
DY LAX-LGW MAR 0.5>0.7

F9 CVG-CUN JAN 0>0.1 FEB 0>0.1
**F9 MCO-SAN NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0

HA KOA-OGG MAR 4>5

J5 HNH-JNU OCT 0>4 NOV 0>4 DEC 0>4 JAN 0>4 FEB 0>4 MAR 0>4
J5 HNS-JNU OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3 JAN 0>1.9 FEB 0>2 MAR 0>2
J5 HNS-SGY OCT 0>2 NOV 0>1.1 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
J5 JNU-KAE OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>0.8
J5 JNU-SGY OCT 0>2 NOV 0>1.9 DEC 0>1.9 JAN 0>1.9 FEB 0>2 MAR 0>2
J5 JNU-SIT OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
J5 KAE-SIT OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>0.8

JJ MIA-REC OCT 0>0.2 NOV 0>0.2 DEC 0>0.1 JAN 0>0.1 FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.1

KE LAS-ICN DEC 0.5>0.7 JAN 0.6>0.7

KS ANC-CDB NOV 0.8>0.4 DEC 0.9>0.5
KS ANC-SDP NOV 0.8>0.4 DEC 0.9>0.5

LH TPA-FRA FEB 0.7>0.4 MAR 0.7>0.6

M5 FBS-LKE DEC 1.3>1.9
M5 LKE-YWH DEC 1.2>1.9

It would seem to me they are net down about 6.5 RTs, so more adds are coming
Significant cutback in 2 roundtrip markets (NK has few of them)
*NK ATL-BWI NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 2>1.0 MAR 2>1.0
*NK ATL-ORD NOV 1.7>1.0 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 2>1.0 MAR 2>1.0
*NK ATL-TPA NOV 1.7>1.0 DEC 1.9>1.0 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 2>1.0 MAR 2>1.0
I don't think this was yearround before, but they were going to try it
**NK BOS-DTW NOV 1.0>0.3 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
*NK BOS-MCO OCT 0>0.8 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
NK BOS-RSW NOV 1.1>0.7
*NK BWI-RSW NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
*NK BWI-TPA NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
Some interesting cuts in here
*NK DEN-SAN NOV 1.0>0.3 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
*NK DFW-SAN NOV 1.0>0.3 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
*NK SAN-SJD NOV 0.5>0.1 DEC 0.6>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
*NK CLE-DFW NOV 1.0>0.3 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
*NK DFW-MSY NOV 1.0>0.3 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
*NK DFW-OAK NOV 1.0>0.3 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0
NK DFW-ORD NOV 2>1.3 DEC 1.9>1.0 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 2>1.0 MAR 2>1.0
NK DFW-TPA NOV 0.9>0.6 DEC 1.0>0.6 JAN 1.0>0.5 FEB 1.0>0.6 MAR 1.0>0.6
Surprising to see them pull back to make room for F9
*NK DTW-MCO NOV 3>2 DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2 FEB 3>2 MAR 3>2
NK FLL-MGA NOV 0.7>0.8 DEC 0.7>0.9 JAN 0.7>0.8 FEB 0.7>0.9 MAR 0.7>0.8
NK FLL-SJU JAN 1.3>2 FEB 1.0>2 MAR 1.0>2
*NK IAG-MCO DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
*NK IAH-ORD NOV 2>1.3 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 2>1.0 MAR 2>1.0
From 2 RTs to nothing
**NK LAX-PHX NOV 1.4>0 DEC 1.7>0 JAN 2>0 FEB 2>0 MAR 2>0
*NK MCI-MCO NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
*NK MCO-PBG DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
*NK MCO-PHL OCT 0>0.8 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
NK MCO-SJU NOV 0.3>1.0 DEC 1.0>1.5 JAN 1.2>2 FEB 1.0>2 MAR 1.0>2
Given all the 2RTs cutbacks, I wonder how long this will last
*NK MSP-RSW JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>2 MAR 1.0>2
*NK OAK-ORD NOV 1.0>0.3 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0

OS JFK-VIE DEC 0.7>0.5

*SQ IAH-DME NOV 0.7>0 DEC 0.7>0 JAN 0.7>0 FEB 0.7>0 MAR 0.7>0
*SQ IAH-MAN NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>0.7 FEB 0>0.7 MAR 0>0.7

TJ ACK-HPN AUG 0>7 SEP 0>3
TJ ACK-TEB AUG 0>6 SEP 0>3
TJ BOS-HPN AUG 0>3
TJ HPN-MVY AUG 0>3 SEP 0>1.3
TJ MVY-TEB AUG 0>3 SEP 0>1.4

UA DEN-HDN DEC 1.5>3 JAN 2>4 FEB 2>3 MAR 2>3
UA DEN-OGG MAR 0.2>1.0
UA DEN-SJD FEB 0.4>0.6 MAR 0.7>1.0
UA DEN-YYC DEC 3>4
UA EWR-BHX NOV 0.8>0.6 DEC 0.8>0.6
UA EWR-CHS OCT 6>5
UA EWR-LIR MAR 1.1>1.3
UA EWR-POS JAN 0.5>0.4 FEB 0.2>0.6 MAR 0>0.2
UA EWR-SJO FEB 2>3
Why suddenly to 2 RTs?
**UA IAD-FLL JAN 0>1.9 FEB 0>2 MAR 0>2
*UA IAD-PDX JAN 1.0>0.1 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0.7
*UA IAD-SMF JAN 0.9>0.1 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 1.0>0.7
UA IAH-SAL NOV 3>2 FEB 3>2 MAR 3>2
UA IAH-SJD MAR 2>3
UA ORD-BUF MAR 5>4
UA ORD-LIR MAR 0.3>0.5
UA ORD-SJD JAN 0.7>1.1 FEB 0.6>1.0 MAR 0.7>1.2
*UA SFO-MIA JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
*UA SFO-PVG OCT 1.0>1.6 NOV 1.0>2 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>2 MAR 1.0>2
UA SFO-SBA DEC 7>6
UA SFO-SJD MAR 1.1>1.3
UA SFO-SMX DEC 2>1.5
*UA SFO-TPA MAR 0>1.0

WN BWI-AUA JAN 1.1>0.8 FEB 1.1>0.9
3 RTs pulled from DCA. Something is being added?
WN DCA-MKE NOV 3>2 DEC 3>2.0 JAN 3>2 FEB 3>2 MAR 0.7>0.5
WN HOU-DCA NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3
WN MDW-DCA NOV 7>6 DEC 7>6 JAN 7>6 FEB 7>6
2 RTs pulled from LGA. Hmm...
WN HOU-LGA JAN 3>2 FEB 3>2 MAR 0.7>0.5
WN MDW-LGA NOV 7>6 DEC 7>6 JAN 7>6 FEB 7>6
*WN LAS-LGB SEP 0>1.3 OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3
WN LAX-LAS NOV 11>10
WN LAX-OAK NOV 13>12
WN MDW-TPA DEC 5>6
WN PHX-HOU NOV 4>5
WN PHX-MCO NOV 1.1>1.8

WS FLL-YOW OCT 0.1>0.0 NOV 0.3>0.1
WS FLL-YYC DEC 0.3>0.1 JAN 0.3>0.2 FEB 0.3>0.1 MAR 0.3>0.1
WS LAS-YQR NOV 0.4>0.3 DEC 0.4>0.3 JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3
WS LAS-YXE NOV 0.4>0.3 DEC 0.4>0.3 JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3
WS LAX-YVR NOV 2>3 DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 2>3 MAR 2>3
WS MCO-YHM JAN 0.2>0.1 FEB 0.3>0.1 MAR 0.3>0.1
WS MCO-YUL JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3
WS MCO-YYG DEC 0.2>0.1
WS MCO-YYT JAN 0.3>0.2 FEB 0.3>0.1 MAR 0.3>0.1
WS OGG-YEG DEC 0.4>0.2 JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.4>0.3
WS PSP-YYZ NOV 0.5>0.3 DEC 0.6>0.4 JAN 0.5>0.4

X4 GST-JNU OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3
 
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Re: OAG Changes 7/29/2016:F9 SAN-MCO,NK Big Reshuffle,UA New Routes,WN

Sun Jul 24, 2016 2:24 pm

Thanks for doing this as always.

Second week in a row without AA activity?
 
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Re: OAG Changes 7/29/2016:F9 SAN-MCO,NK Big Reshuffle,UA New Routes,WN

Sun Jul 24, 2016 2:26 pm

AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
Thanks for doing this as always.

Second week in a row without AA activity?

Thanks

Well, at this point it is a little odd. I'm guessing it has something to do with the earnings call. Did they announce any capacity cuts on the call?
 
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Sun Jul 24, 2016 2:29 pm

Congrats to DL! No announced cuts in SEA this week for the first time in about 2 or 3 months. Maybe things are finally turning around.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 7/29/2016:F9 SAN-MCO,NK Big Reshuffle,UA New Routes,WN

Sun Jul 24, 2016 2:32 pm

Surprising to see them pull back to make room for F9


Is it? ;)
 
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Sun Jul 24, 2016 2:37 pm

Are you suggesting WN will start a 2 daily LGA-DCA? :) Interesting if you are. Why not?

IAD-FLL

I am so glad UA is starting this route. I don't live in either place and will never utilize it, but it will end one of the most annoying points of conversation here on a.net about UA and their IAD hub.
 
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Sun Jul 24, 2016 3:02 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
Are you suggesting WN will start a 2 daily LGA-DCA? :) Interesting if you are. Why not?

IAD-FLL

I am so glad UA is starting this route. I don't live in either place and will never utilize it, but it will end one of the most annoying points of conversation here on a.net about UA and their IAD hub.

They could do LGA-DCA 2 RTs, but I bet not. No I'm thinking it's a Midwest city that has neither and will now get both. That's just a guess. Any ideas what it would be?

I don't understand UA and IAD-FLL. It's not important and then important again.
 
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Sun Jul 24, 2016 3:13 pm

enilria wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
Are you suggesting WN will start a 2 daily LGA-DCA? :) Interesting if you are. Why not?

IAD-FLL

I am so glad UA is starting this route. I don't live in either place and will never utilize it, but it will end one of the most annoying points of conversation here on a.net about UA and their IAD hub.

They could do LGA-DCA 2 RTs, but I bet not. No I'm thinking it's a Midwest city that has neither and will now get both. That's just a guess. Any ideas what it would be?

I don't understand UA and IAD-FLL. It's not important and then important again.


OKC comes to mind. Surprisingly doesn't have any nonstops to DCA and I'm pretty sure no nonstops to LGA either.
 
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Sun Jul 24, 2016 3:30 pm

Glad to see UA continue to focus on expanding the SFO hub.With west coast competition continuing to heat up with DL in SEA, AS buying VX, and WN and AA holding their ground in SoCal, it' is smart for UA to continue to add flights to ensure that SFO remains a fortress and a money maker.
 
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Sun Jul 24, 2016 3:59 pm

dbo861 wrote:
enilria wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
Are you suggesting WN will start a 2 daily LGA-DCA? :) Interesting if you are. Why not?

IAD-FLL

I am so glad UA is starting this route. I don't live in either place and will never utilize it, but it will end one of the most annoying points of conversation here on a.net about UA and their IAD hub.

They could do LGA-DCA 2 RTs, but I bet not. No I'm thinking it's a Midwest city that has neither and will now get both. That's just a guess. Any ideas what it would be?

I don't understand UA and IAD-FLL. It's not important and then important again.


OKC comes to mind. Surprisingly doesn't have any nonstops to DCA and I'm pretty sure no nonstops to LGA either.

Possibly. I'd suggest it is a place where WN is historically weak where WN wants to step up their product to compete with AA/DL/UA. I'm not sure OKC is a place where they would consider themselves weak. The kind of places they have done this are markets like CMH, IND, and MCI. SDF, CLE, BUF, CLT, RDU, maybe JAX would seem to be candidates. Some may have one or the other already as I don't remember exactly.
 
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Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:01 pm

**UA IAD-FLL JAN 0>1.9 FEB 0>2 MAR 0>2

"Why suddenly to 2 RTs?" - might be that anything less than 2-3 RT/day on such a relatively short domestic route wouldn't be very competitive unless they were chasing the ultra, low-fare traveler.

*UA SFO-MIA JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
*UA SFO-TPA MAR 0>1.0
^^^ These two adds are pretty huge for UA. Morning departures out of SFO with early evening arrivals in both TPA and MIA. Short ground time and return back to SFO with a +/-2100 arrival. The SFO hub now has daily: MIA (1), TPA (1), FLL (1) and MCO (2)

*UA SFO-PVG OCT 1.0>1.6 NOV 1.0>2 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>2 MAR 1.0>2
^^^ UA must have gotten the slot issue worked out in PVG unless that midnight PVG departure with an evening arrival in SFO wasn't their 1st choice.
UA857 SFO-PVG 1325-1725 B744
UA891 SFO-PVG 1605-2015 B789

UA858 PVG-SFO 1210-0835 B744
UA890 PVG-SFO 0005-2040 B789
 
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Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:11 pm

I wonder if NK is just reshuffling flights, or if those are all permanent cuts. It doesn't bode well to see what seems is them bowing to pressure from AA.

If they are permanent, that would be the first cut NK has made in MSY and incidentally DFW was the first route started back in 2013
 
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Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:18 pm

msycajun wrote:
I wonder if NK is just reshuffling flights, or if those are all permanent cuts. It doesn't bode well to see what seems is them bowing to pressure from AA.

If they are permanent, that would be the first cut NK has made in MSY and incidentally DFW was the first route started back in 2013

My guess is that it is almost all permanent. I think it's the new CEO changing the strategy as has been promised for a while. I have mixed feelings about it. I'm not sure the old FL markets are going to do any better, even G4 is expanding into many of the types of markets NK is vacating. We'll see. It's really WN they running from in DFW, not AA.
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**UA IAD-FLL JAN 0>1.9 FEB 0>2 MAR 0>2

"Why suddenly to 2 RTs?" - might be that anything less than 2-3 RT/day on such a relatively short domestic route wouldn't be very competitive unless they were chasing the ultra, low-fare traveler.

It's a leisure market end of story. A 10am South and a 2pm North is the only schedule you "need". I guess 2 is better than 1. It really just reveals the yoyo decision making on this route. 2 RTs isnt going to get them more passenger loyalty that 1 well timed. Not sure why this route is a roller coaster.
 
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Looks like the promised reorganization of Spirit's network (and business model?) is well underway. It will be interesting to see how this unfolds.

SAN is certainly taking a hit -- loosing about half our routes and flights... And I can't foresee anything they might add from here.

BTW, if anyone is wondering, the AC SAN-YVR service in the winter is operated daily by Jazz and I assume in Spring or Summer of 2017, the route will be returned to rouge. We now will have close to year-round service between SAN and YVR.

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Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:48 pm

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msycajun wrote:
I wonder if NK is just reshuffling flights, or if those are all permanent cuts. It doesn't bode well to see what seems is them bowing to pressure from AA.

If they are permanent, that would be the first cut NK has made in MSY and incidentally DFW was the first route started back in 2013

My guess is that it is almost all permanent. I think it's the new CEO changing the strategy as has been promised for a while. I have mixed feelings about it. I'm not sure the old FL markets are going to do any better, even G4 is expanding into many of the types of markets NK is vacating. We'll see. It's really WN they running from in DFW, not AA.



I can't speak for every market, but lately AA has been matching or nearly matching NK's prices in a lot of markets, whereas WN is often double NK. Of course with bags, WN can still be cheaper but with AA's free carry-on bags and a superior schedule, NK's loads have dropped.

Now the question is where will the capacity go. MCO and BWI seem to be old AirTran markets that are getting some attention. ATL is probably too crowded with WN and DL. At least NK has the advantage of connections and frequency over G4.
 
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UA SFO - TPA has been a big missing link. This route was still good for StarAlliance credit with US in Star, with a PHX connection. After the AA/UA merger it hasnt been an option.
 
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Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:54 pm

enilria wrote:
msycajun wrote:
It's a leisure market end of story. A 10am South and a 2pm North is the only schedule you "need". I guess 2 is better than 1. It really just reveals the yoyo decision making on this route. 2 RTs isnt going to get them more passenger loyalty that 1 well timed. Not sure why this route is a roller coaster.


There are a lot of retirees and seasonal snowbirds who have money. Seasonal (winter) Florida flights can, in theory, make money based on that.

My parents retired to RSW and the airport there sees upwards of double the flights in January - March as compared to in June - August.
 
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Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:24 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
Are you suggesting WN will start a 2 daily LGA-DCA? :) Interesting if you are. Why not?


It's very hard to compete against Amtrak and the cheap buses.
 
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Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:29 pm

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*UA SFO-MIA JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
*UA SFO-TPA MAR 0>1.0
^^^ These two adds are pretty huge for UA. Morning departures out of SFO with early evening arrivals in both TPA and MIA. Short ground time and return back to SFO with a +/-2100 arrival. The SFO hub now has daily: MIA (1), TPA (1), FLL (1) and MCO (2)


I am surprised on the timing, though, since there will be no Asia connectivity on the westbound leg. MIA arrives at SFO at 2142, and thus only connects to SYD. I would have thought that they would have wanted to connect the new Florida destinations to their peak Asia bank, and especially to offer 1-stop service on the new secondary China markets. But doing so would require an airplane RON in MIA/TPA and then a very early departure the following morning. What do you think went into this decision on flight times?
 
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jetblastdubai wrote:
**UA IAD-FLL JAN 0>1.9 FEB 0>2 MAR 0>2

*UA SFO-MIA JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
*UA SFO-TPA MAR 0>1.0


Haven't IAD-FLL seasonal flights on UA happened in previous years? I just assumed this was a seasonal return.

UA have attempted MIA-SFO multiple times (and I'm not just referring to when UA had a hub in MIA) and its never been able to stick in the long run. Let's see if they can make it work this time.
 
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Seat1F wrote:
jetblastdubai wrote:
**UA IAD-FLL JAN 0>1.9 FEB 0>2 MAR 0>2

*UA SFO-MIA JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
*UA SFO-TPA MAR 0>1.0


Haven't IAD-FLL seasonal flights on UA happened in previous years? I just assumed this was a seasonal return.

UA have attempted MIA-SFO multiple times (and I'm not just referring to when UA had a hub in MIA) and its never been able to stick in the long run. Let's see if they can make it work this time.


UA has attempted MIASFO exactly once. It ran through the 1990s and the hub days until around 2003/2004. It has not been flown since.
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I am surprised on the timing, though, since there will be no Asia connectivity on the westbound leg. MIA arrives at SFO at 2142, and thus only connects to SYD. I would have thought that they would have wanted to connect the new Florida destinations to their peak Asia bank, and especially to offer 1-stop service on the new secondary China markets. But doing so would require an airplane RON in MIA/TPA and then a very early departure the following morning. What do you think went into this decision on flight times?


I wonder if the initial route timing is to appeal to spring break O&D traffic. This summer, UA has added a second SFO-IND, with a redeye outbound and an early morning return to connect to the Asia bank. (original schedule was an SFO-IND-SFO out-and-back when the route started). The strategy makes sense to me in terms of trying out routes without tying up a RON aircraft. Hopefully it does well and they add a second flight to get connecting pax. A great add either way.
 
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Sun Jul 24, 2016 6:17 pm

TW870 wrote:

I am surprised on the timing, though, since there will be no Asia connectivity on the westbound leg. MIA arrives at SFO at 2142, and thus only connects to SYD. I would have thought that they would have wanted to connect the new Florida destinations to their peak Asia bank, and especially to offer 1-stop service on the new secondary China markets. But doing so would require an airplane RON in MIA/TPA and then a very early departure the following morning. What do you think went into this decision on flight times?


Based on the lack of any non-stop flights to even the major Asian markets from MIA/South Florida, the secondary Asian markets must be extremely small and not worth chasing with a 6-hour transcon flight. Another consideration might be terminal congestion in SFO during the morning push. A local SFO person might have more info on that.

The early evening MIA/TPA departure does work well for people wanting to put in a full-days work in MIA/TPA and be back on the west coast at a reasonable hour.
 
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Sun Jul 24, 2016 6:19 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
Seat1F wrote:
jetblastdubai wrote:
**UA IAD-FLL JAN 0>1.9 FEB 0>2 MAR 0>2

*UA SFO-MIA JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
*UA SFO-TPA MAR 0>1.0


Haven't IAD-FLL seasonal flights on UA happened in previous years? I just assumed this was a seasonal return.

UA have attempted MIA-SFO multiple times (and I'm not just referring to when UA had a hub in MIA) and its never been able to stick in the long run. Let's see if they can make it work this time.


UA has attempted MIASFO exactly once. It ran through the 1990s and the hub days until around 2003/2004. It has not been flown since.

I stand corrected. I know it definitely ran before the hub was set up as an A319/A320 because I lived in Miami at the time and was somewhat surprised that they started it. Of course, during the hub days, it was an important route with the transfer passengers from Latin America. UA ran a mix of 747/777/767/757 aircraft during that time. I wonder what aircraft will be used for the future flight.
 
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enilria wrote:
FAQ


*DL MSP-PBI JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0

*NK MSP-RSW JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>2 MAR 1.0>2





Delta looking to compete with SY, I assume.

For the RSW increase, WN went up to 2 this past year, albeit Saturday only. I assume for Feb/Mar, it must be a good route with Spring Training...
 
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Sun Jul 24, 2016 6:32 pm

TW870 wrote:
I am surprised on the timing, though, since there will be no Asia connectivity on the westbound leg. MIA arrives at SFO at 2142, and thus only connects to SYD.


It will also connect with the new SIN flight, providing what I believe will be the only same carrier one-stop service between MIA and SIN.
 
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Sun Jul 24, 2016 6:34 pm

It seems like NK has cut a lot of flights at OAK, if OAK-DFW and OAK-ORD are to be cancelled. That's like 2 of the 5 or 6 destinations. Plus, NK used to sell connections via DFW and ORD to eastern cities, so OAK loses access to those connections. Perhaps NK fears "the winter is coming" and maybe higher fuel, making ORD-OAK for example, not viable. LOL.

msycajun wrote:
enilria wrote:
msycajun wrote:

I can't speak for every market, but lately AA has been matching or nearly matching NK's prices in a lot of markets, whereas WN is often double NK. Of course with bags, WN can still be cheaper but with AA's free carry-on bags and a superior schedule, NK's loads have dropped.

Now the question is where will the capacity go. MCO and BWI seem to be old AirTran markets that are getting some attention. ATL is probably too crowded with WN and DL. At least NK has the advantage of connections and frequency over G4.


WN has been somewhat competitive in fares in ATL when it competes against NK and F9, particularly ATL-PHL and ATL-BWI on fares. Note: ATL-BWI isn't an AA route so it gives an idea without an AA involved. It might be why NK might have settled on 1x daily for ATL-BWI and unable to attain enough demand to make it to 2x daily.

Now wouldn't it be interesting if NK came to GSP and offered a GSP-BWI with that. Ironically GSP was a Southwest market (technically still is one) not an AirTran one, but it was like a former AirTran market that has seen cuts, including the cut of GSP-BWI and GSP-MCO. I think these might be possibly two routes NK could make work. GSP-DCA nonstops fares are generally not low and GSP-PHL is very high on AA. If NK restored GSP-BWI but sold it at the ULCC level of fares, there might be enough leisure demand. GSP-MCO would compete against G4's GSP-SFB but NK does compete against G4 in those situations.
 
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Sun Jul 24, 2016 6:57 pm

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jfklganyc wrote:
Are you suggesting WN will start a 2 daily LGA-DCA? :) Interesting if you are. Why not?

IAD-FLL

I am so glad UA is starting this route. I don't live in either place and will never utilize it, but it will end one of the most annoying points of conversation here on a.net about UA and their IAD hub.

They could do LGA-DCA 2 RTs, but I bet not. No I'm thinking it's a Midwest city that has neither and will now get both. That's just a guess. Any ideas what it would be?

I don't understand UA and IAD-FLL. It's not important and then important again.


One possible explanation is the Washington Nationals are moving their spring training site from the Melbourne area to West Palm Beach, a short drive from FLL. That should drive some marginal traffic in February and March.
 
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Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:27 pm

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TW870 wrote:
I am surprised on the timing, though, since there will be no Asia connectivity on the westbound leg. MIA arrives at SFO at 2142, and thus only connects to SYD.


It will also connect with the new SIN flight, providing what I believe will be the only same carrier one-stop service between MIA and SIN.


That's an interesting technical point, but what's the PDEW MIA-SIN, anyway?
 
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Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:47 pm

mattnrsa wrote:
TW870 wrote:
I am surprised on the timing, though, since there will be no Asia connectivity on the westbound leg. MIA arrives at SFO at 2142, and thus only connects to SYD.


It will also connect with the new SIN flight, providing what I believe will be the only same carrier one-stop service between MIA and SIN.


It provides the first TPAC one-stop same carrier service, but there are already several TATL options. Flying via Europe or the Middle East isn't much of a penalty on this route in terms of distance or travel time.
 
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Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:55 pm

SANFan wrote:
Looks like the promised reorganization of Spirit's network (and business model?) is well underway. It will be interesting to see how this unfolds.

I hope it doesn't backfire.
msycajun wrote:
Now the question is where will the capacity go. MCO and BWI seem to be old AirTran markets that are getting some attention. ATL is probably too crowded with WN and DL. At least NK has the advantage of connections and frequency over G4.

It'll go to Florida/BWI/LAS.
ty97 wrote:
There are a lot of retirees and seasonal snowbirds who have money.

They may have money, but they don't spend it on air, generally. The snowbirds maybe. Not the retirees.
Seat1F wrote:
Haven't IAD-FLL seasonal flights on UA happened in previous years? I just assumed this was a seasonal return.

It's been gone for extended periods here and there.
SteveXC500 wrote:
Delta looking to compete with SY, I assume.

I wonder what is going on inside SY.
phluser wrote:
Now wouldn't it be interesting if NK came to GSP and offered a GSP-BWI with that. Ironically GSP was a Southwest market (technically still is one)

I have my doubts. The problem with SC/GA/AL for the LCCs and ULCCs is that Florida is drive-able, and without Florida there's not a lot of other product to offer. BWI I don't think will work well for anybody and at least FL had a hub there. NK doesn't even like to connect. I'd say that's a long shot unless fuel is cheap and GSP-LAS works out for NK. I just don't see BHM/HSV/CAE/MCN/JAN/GSP-DFW/DEN/WAS/CHI/NYC being workable for a ULCC unless it's a couple of times per week, but who knows. Maybe GSO works with drive from CLT/RDU.
 
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Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:08 pm

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**UA IAD-FLL JAN 0>1.9 FEB 0>2 MAR 0>2

"Why suddenly to 2 RTs?" - might be that anything less than 2-3 RT/day on such a relatively short domestic route wouldn't be very competitive unless they were chasing the ultra, low-fare traveler.

*UA SFO-MIA JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0
*UA SFO-TPA MAR 0>1.0
^^^ These two adds are pretty huge for UA. Morning departures out of SFO with early evening arrivals in both TPA and MIA. Short ground time and return back to SFO with a +/-2100 arrival. The SFO hub now has daily: MIA (1), TPA (1), FLL (1) and MCO (2)

*UA SFO-PVG OCT 1.0>1.6 NOV 1.0>2 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>2 MAR 1.0>2
^^^ UA must have gotten the slot issue worked out in PVG unless that midnight PVG departure with an evening arrival in SFO wasn't their 1st choice.
UA857 SFO-PVG 1325-1725 B744
UA891 SFO-PVG 1605-2015 B789

UA858 PVG-SFO 1210-0835 B744
UA890 PVG-SFO 0005-2040 B789

my money is on UA just sucking it up and taking what they could get at PVG so the loser of the LAX-PEK battle doesn't come after those frequencies.
 
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Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:22 pm

Just looked up the UA MIA-SFO flight for January 13 and it says 738, but the seatmap shows just 2 rows of F. Could it be that they are actually going to use the A319 instead?
 
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Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:26 pm

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Glad to see UA continue to focus on expanding the SFO hub.With west coast competition continuing to heat up with DL in SEA, AS buying VX, and WN and AA holding their ground in SoCal, it' is smart for UA to continue to add flights to ensure that SFO remains a fortress and a money maker.


Two long overdue additions if you ask me. But UA might get crushed on SFO-MIA with AA flying 763s on the route (and they have been for years.)
 
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SteveXC500 wrote:
enilria wrote:
FAQ


*DL MSP-PBI JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0

*NK MSP-RSW JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>2 MAR 1.0>2





Delta looking to compete with SY, I assume.

For the RSW increase, WN went up to 2 this past year, albeit Saturday only. I assume for Feb/Mar, it must be a good route with Spring Training...


A good chunk of Minnesotans have winter homes/have retired to around Fort Myers. Twins are there for a reason.
 
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Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:51 pm

[quote="deltal1011man"
my money is on UA just sucking it up and taking what they could get at PVG so the loser of the LAX-PEK battle doesn't come after those frequencies.[/quote]

I tend to agree with you on that observation. Sometimes a good defense is better than a good offense.
 
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Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:54 pm

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Two long overdue additions if you ask me. But UA might get crushed on SFO-MIA with AA flying 763s on the route (and they have been for years.)


That 1x daily AA 763 MIA-SFO though leaves at such a hideously early hour (7:15am) that it probably captures more South American connecting traffic than O&D.
 
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They could do LGA-DCA 2 RTs, but I bet not. No I'm thinking it's a Midwest city that has neither and will now get both. That's just a guess. Any ideas what it would be?


FLL to be announced when the Cuba schedules are announced? (With the RSW-DCA flight slot that is specific for RSW or FLL returning to RSW?)

MEM maybe?

DCA-PNS/ECP and the LGA going to FLL?
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Mon Jul 25, 2016 12:33 am

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That 1x daily AA 763 MIA-SFO though leaves at such a hideously early hour (7:15am) that it probably captures more South American connecting traffic than O&D.


I can't comment if that AA flight captures more O&D or connecting traffic, but early morning west-bound transcon flights are used by O&D business passengers, in general. Rarely is a flight too early unless it leaves before 6am.

Pax can use WiFi to check emails onboard and pax can be at client site on the west coast for almost full day. Companies save money with pax expending less one hotel night in SFO, than flying out the night before. So, I'm not sure why it's hideous for O&D. When I worked for a consulting job requiring air travel, I had to pretty much take the first flight of the morning.
 
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Mon Jul 25, 2016 12:47 am

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enilria wrote:
They could do LGA-DCA 2 RTs, but I bet not. No I'm thinking it's a Midwest city that has neither and will now get both. That's just a guess. Any ideas what it would be?


FLL to be announced when the Cuba schedules are announced?

The airlines have been super-slow to add their Cuba flying. It's almost as if they think it will be a money pit. :lol:

jetblastdubai wrote:
[quote="deltal1011man"
my money is on UA just sucking it up and taking what they could get at PVG so the loser of the LAX-PEK battle doesn't come after those frequencies.


I tend to agree with you on that observation. Sometimes a good defense is better than a good offense.[/quote]
I also agree
 
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The airlines have been super-slow to add their Cuba flying.


Have any airlines actually opened reservations yet besides AA and Silver?

enilria wrote:
It's almost as if they think it will be a money pit. :lol:


Haha - yeah, seriously.

enilria wrote:
I also agree


Indeed. I agree as well - it's quite plausible that United gave up on getting optimal slots in favor of getting any slots at all before another carrier came after them. That said, it will be interesting to see how the added capacity, and the schedule, of this second flight affects yields for United in the SFO-PVG market. And on a related note, it will indeed be interesting to see if - as has been speculated by many already - Delta switches NRT-PVG to LAX-PEK if it loses the pending route case against AA.
 
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Mon Jul 25, 2016 1:25 am

It makes me wonder if NK's momentum is over for DTW since their trying to be too much like AirTran. They're adding out of MCO and BWI like crazy and DTW hasn't gotten much in the previous year, and with the scheduled cuts for DTW it's looking like there's actually a decline. NK announced the building of an MX hangar and maintain one of their major hubs at DTW but that was under the old model. Someone prove me wrong, what's next in the NK saga at DTW?
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Mon Jul 25, 2016 1:26 am

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N62NA wrote:

That 1x daily AA 763 MIA-SFO though leaves at such a hideously early hour (7:15am) that it probably captures more South American connecting traffic than O&D.


I can't comment if that AA flight captures more O&D or connecting traffic, but early morning west-bound transcon flights are used by O&D business passengers, in general. Rarely is a flight too early unless it leaves before 6am.

Pax can use WiFi to check emails onboard and pax can be at client site on the west coast for almost full day. Companies save money with pax expending less one hotel night in SFO, than flying out the night before. So, I'm not sure why it's hideous for O&D. When I worked for a consulting job requiring air travel, I had to pretty much take the first flight of the morning.


No WiFi on the AA763, so productivity takes a big hit.

I've also been sternly lectured here that the AA 777-200 that leaves around 7am MIA-LAX exists primarily for the South American connections, so if one believes that, then the SFO 7:15am flight would likely be similar.
 
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commavia wrote:
enilria wrote:
The airlines have been super-slow to add their Cuba flying.


Have any airlines actually opened reservations yet besides AA and Silver?


No, but Frontier will soon. It was awarded frequencies from the wrong cities and had to have the award amended, which was completed Friday. MIASCU launches October 27th, MIACMY and MIASNU on December 15th.

Nobody is allowed to sell HAV flights yet. There were a lot of objections.
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Re: OAG Changes 7/29/2016:F9 SAN-MCO,NK Big Reshuffle,UA New Routes,WN

Mon Jul 25, 2016 2:19 am

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piedmont762 wrote:
Two long overdue additions if you ask me. But UA might get crushed on SFO-MIA with AA flying 763s on the route (and they have been for years.)


That 1x daily AA 763 MIA-SFO though leaves at such a hideously early hour (7:15am) that it probably captures more South American connecting traffic than O&D.


Not sure when the schedule change takes effect, but beginning this fall sometime, I'm not seeing any AA B763s on SFO-MIA. Orbitz shows all B738s. (3)
 
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Re: OAG Changes 7/29/2016:F9 SAN-MCO,NK Big Reshuffle,UA New Routes,WN

Mon Jul 25, 2016 2:42 am

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It will also connect with the new SIN flight, providing what I believe will be the only same carrier one-stop service between MIA and SIN.


Um, no. AF, BA, EY, AY, KL, LH, QR.

Are there others?
 
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Re: OAG Changes 7/29/2016:F9 SAN-MCO,NK Big Reshuffle,UA New Routes,WN

Mon Jul 25, 2016 2:54 am

WN I see adding 2 daily LGA-FLL flights to feed Cuba connections.

DCA I see adding 1 PBI, 1 RSW and additional FLL round trip.

But rumors had WN swapping 3 DCA slots for 5 LGB slots from B6 maybe this is true?

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Re: OAG Changes 7/29/2016:F9 SAN-MCO,NK Big Reshuffle,UA New Routes,WN

Mon Jul 25, 2016 3:16 am

enilria wrote:
The airlines have been super-slow to add their Cuba flying. It's almost as if they think it will be a money pit. :lol:


Aren't they waiting for the Cuban government to officially sign off on the assigned route authorities? Also, didn't I read something about Cuba not allowing access to verify the security procedures or something like that?
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Re: OAG Changes 7/29/2016:F9 SAN-MCO,NK Big Reshuffle,UA New Routes,WN

Mon Jul 25, 2016 3:26 am

wnflyguy wrote:
WN I see adding 2 daily LGA-FLL flights to feed Cuba connections.
DCA I see adding 1 PBI, 1 RSW and additional FLL round trip.
But rumors had WN swapping 3 DCA slots for 5 LGB slots from B6 maybe this is true?
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I was told that WN did tell customer service and ramp employees to look for more information regarding LGB hiring soon, so I think there must be a plan to transition from contract staff to WN staff... that would be an indication that they are planning on running more than the 10 flights per day at some point in the future. Like wnflyguy said, maybe they're going to trade those 3 DCA and 2 LGA slot pairs for a handful of LGB slots? I find it hard to believe though considering the amount of money WN put up for LGA and DCA slots...
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Re: OAG Changes 7/29/2016:F9 SAN-MCO,NK Big Reshuffle,UA New Routes,WN

Mon Jul 25, 2016 4:19 am

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No, but Frontier will soon. It was awarded frequencies from the wrong cities and had to have the award amended, which was completed Friday. MIASCU launches October 27th, MIACMY and MIASNU on December 15th.

Nobody is allowed to sell HAV flights yet. There were a lot of objections.


It's an interesting move, with the DOT saying that Frontier was "unclear" in its original application, but has since clarified - and been granted - those three routes (although I think you mean MIA-CMW for Camaguey rather than CMY).

NOTICE OF ACTION TAKEN -- DOCKET DOT-OST-2016-0021
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ This serves as notice to the public of the action described below, taken by the Department official indicated (no additional confirming order will be issued in this matter).
Application of Frontier Airlines, Inc. (Frontier) filed 3/2/16 for:1
XX Amendment of exemption under 49 U.S.C. § 40109 to provide the following service:
Scheduled foreign air transportation of persons and property between (1) Miami, Florida, and Santiago de Cuba, Cuba; (2) Miami, Florida, and Camagüey, Cuba; and (3) Miami, Florida, and Santa Clara, Cuba.2
XX Amendment of frequency allocations to Frontier, as follows: (1) one daily frequency for its proposed Miami-Santiago de Cuba service; (2) four weekly frequencies for its proposed Miami-Camagüey service on Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays, and Saturdays; and (3) three weekly frequencies for its proposed Miami- Santa Clara service on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Sundays.


Frontier has also objected to being given only one frequency MIA-HAV, it wants at least two, so it will be interesting to see how the DOT reacts. :-)

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