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AS Announces SEA-ICT/IND

Wed Aug 03, 2016 2:17 pm

Just announced:

http://investor.alaskaair.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=109361&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=2192447

SEA-ICT starts April 13, 2017 using a SkyWest E175
SEA-IND starts May 11, 2017 using a 737

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Re: AS Announces SEA-ICT/IND

Wed Aug 03, 2016 2:29 pm

Nice expansion. Maybe PIT will be next.
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Re: AS Announces SEA-ICT/IND

Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:01 pm

Great news for SEA travelers. Loved this dig in the press release: "With the addition of Indianapolis and Wichita, the airline will serve 89 nonstop destinations from Seattle, more than twice as many as its nearest competitor. Alaska is the only airline to fly nonstop from Sea-Tac International Airport to 35 of those destinations."
 
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Re: AS Announces SEA-ICT/IND

Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:49 pm

dabpit wrote:
Nice expansion. Maybe PIT will be next.


You would think. PIT has to be the largest market in North America without a non-stop to SEA.
 
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Re: AS Announces SEA-ICT/IND

Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:55 pm

izbtmnhd wrote:
dabpit wrote:
Nice expansion. Maybe PIT will be next.


You would think. PIT has to be the largest market in North America without a non-stop to SEA.


IND was until this announcement.

Quick look at the numbers both PIT and CMH are neck and neck for the next largest unserved.
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Re: AS Announces SEA-ICT/IND

Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:59 pm

crazytoaster wrote:
izbtmnhd wrote:
dabpit wrote:
Nice expansion. Maybe PIT will be next.


You would think. PIT has to be the largest market in North America without a non-stop to SEA.


IND was until this announcement.

Quick look at the numbers both PIT and CMH are neck and neck for the next largest unserved.




Then they should add SEA-CAK lol. Then can serve between the two . :)
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Re: AS Announces SEA-ICT/IND

Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:05 pm

Lots of aviation-related activity in ICT, so it's a "no-brainer" to connect SEA.

On the PIT Airport "Wish List" of routes, SEA is right at the top of it!
 
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Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:11 pm

Great news for IND! This one is a no-brainer for AS in my opinion.
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Re: AS Announces SEA-ICT/IND

Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:13 pm

crazytoaster wrote:
IND was until this announcement. Quick look at the numbers both PIT and CMH are neck and neck for the next largest unserved.

Freshside3 wrote:
On the PIT Airport "Wish List" of routes, SEA is right at the top of it!


Guess we will have to wait and see which city becomes the 90th destination.
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Re: AS Announces SEA-ICT/IND

Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:07 pm

do you think most of the pax feed for these flights come from connections in the US, connections to asia or O&D?
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Re: AS Announces SEA-ICT/IND

Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:19 pm

Freshside3 wrote:
Lots of aviation-related activity in ICT, so it's a "no-brainer" to connect SEA.

On the PIT Airport "Wish List" of routes, SEA is right at the top of it!


TWA did SEA-ICT and it was a disaster. That was before Boeing pulled out of Wichita. Not sure how this will do.

SEA-IND doesn't surprise me one bit.

What's left? PIT? CMH maybe.
 
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Re: AS Announces SEA-ICT/IND

Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:42 pm

TWA did SEA-ICT and it was a disaster. That was before Boeing pulled out of Wichita. Not sure how this will do.

True, but they also didn't have huge customer bases in either city nor were they flying an E175. AS at least has the SEA hub to leverage, and the aircraft seems to be more appropriate for the market it's flying to.
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Re: AS Announces SEA-ICT/IND

Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:42 pm

BoeingGuy wrote:
Freshside3 wrote:
Lots of aviation-related activity in ICT, so it's a "no-brainer" to connect SEA.

On the PIT Airport "Wish List" of routes, SEA is right at the top of it!


TWA did SEA-ICT and it was a disaster. That was before Boeing pulled out of Wichita. Not sure how this will do.

SEA-IND doesn't surprise me one bit.

What's left? PIT? CMH maybe.


PIT and CMH are the regional markets left with no competition

There is also:

CLE - F9 is seasonal to SEA/PDX.

CVG - DL to SEA. Not sure if it's seasonal.
 
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Re: AS Announces SEA-ICT/IND

Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:58 pm

Will we ever see more AS growth out of SAN? I'm talking about adding markets like SAN- BWI,IAD, BNA,RDU,PIT,TPA,AUS,FLL,IAD, STL,MIC and IND? Anyone have some insight on future grown plans?
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Re: AS Announces SEA-ICT/IND

Wed Aug 03, 2016 6:02 pm

FLYKTPA wrote:
Will we ever see more AS growth out of SAN? I'm talking about adding markets like SAN- BWI,IAD, BNA,RDU,PIT,TPA,AUS,FLL,IAD, STL,MIC and IND? Anyone have some insight on future grown plans?


Hard to believe that SAN-PIT is coming considering they don't even fly to SEA.
 
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Re: AS Announces SEA-ICT/IND

Wed Aug 03, 2016 6:06 pm

izbtmnhd wrote:
FLYKTPA wrote:
Will we ever see more AS growth out of SAN? I'm talking about adding markets like SAN- BWI,IAD, BNA,RDU,PIT,TPA,AUS,FLL,IAD, STL,MIC and IND? Anyone have some insight on future grown plans?


Hard to believe that SAN-PIT is coming considering they don't even fly to SEA.


True, but SEA-PIT will happen eventually and maybe if that went well SAN would be added a year or two later.
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Re: AS Announces SEA-ICT/IND

Wed Aug 03, 2016 6:15 pm

FLYKTPA wrote:
Will we ever see more AS growth out of SAN? I'm talking about adding markets like SAN- BWI,IAD, BNA,RDU,PIT,TPA,AUS,FLL,IAD, STL,MIC and IND? Anyone have some insight on future grown plans?

Hey FLYK', welcome to A.net!

There's a SAN-thread going were you will find some discussion you seek. That would be a more appropriate place for your question. Also, IM me if you want.

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Re: AS Announces SEA-ICT/IND

Wed Aug 03, 2016 6:31 pm

FLYKTPA wrote:
izbtmnhd wrote:
FLYKTPA wrote:
Will we ever see more AS growth out of SAN? I'm talking about adding markets like SAN- BWI,IAD, BNA,RDU,PIT,TPA,AUS,FLL,IAD, STL,MIC and IND? Anyone have some insight on future grown plans?


Hard to believe that SAN-PIT is coming considering they don't even fly to SEA.


True, but SEA-PIT will happen eventually and maybe if that went well SAN would be added a year or two later.


Will SEA-PIT happen? You'd think so but it's taking a long time. At least CLE and CVG have existing service that may be keeping AS away. Makes me think if AS ever starts PIT-SEA it will be a very long time before there is a second destination, if ever.
 
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Re: AS Announces SEA-ICT/IND

Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:32 pm

FLYKTPA wrote:
Will we ever see more AS growth out of SAN? I'm talking about adding markets like SAN- BWI,IAD, BNA,RDU,PIT,TPA,AUS,FLL,IAD, STL,MIC and IND? Anyone have some insight on future grown plans?


SAN is getting an EWR nonstop.
 
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Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:39 pm

wedgetail737 wrote:
FLYKTPA wrote:
Will we ever see more AS growth out of SAN? I'm talking about adding markets like SAN- BWI,IAD, BNA,RDU,PIT,TPA,AUS,FLL,IAD, STL,MIC and IND? Anyone have some insight on future grown plans?


SAN is getting an EWR nonstop.


The addition of EWR is great, but will they add other cities on the other side of the country besides EWR,BOS and MCO? I do take into account that they are busy growing SEA.
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Re: AS Announces SEA-ICT/IND

Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:46 pm

crazytoaster wrote:
izbtmnhd wrote:
dabpit wrote:
Nice expansion. Maybe PIT will be next.


You would think. PIT has to be the largest market in North America without a non-stop to SEA.


IND was until this announcement.

Quick look at the numbers both PIT and CMH are neck and neck for the next largest unserved.


Regarding CMH, The Columbus Dispatch reported in April or May (maybe again more recently as well) that CRAA and AS are in talks and there's been a mutual interest for potential service "in the near future".

Maybe it'll be like F9's announcement of both PIT and CMH on the same day in January.
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Re: AS Announces SEA-ICT/IND

Wed Aug 03, 2016 9:16 pm

Lest we not forget the extent of the AS/QX route map in mid-2000: Canada, Mexico, and 9 U.S. states (AK, AZ, CA, ID, IL, MT, NV, OR and WA)

http://www.departedflights.com/AS062000.html

With these additions, AS and its regional partners will now serve 34 states (AK, AZ, CA, CO, FL, GA, HI, ID, IL, IN, KS, LA, MD, MA, MI, MN, MO, MT, NE, NV, NJ, NM, NY, NC, OK, OR, PA, SC, TN, TX, UT, VA, WA and WI) less than 20 years later. I think we can probably all agree that service to Ohio is now only a matter of time, and I daresay Arkansas, Connecticut, Iowa, Kentucky, North Dakota, South Dakota and Wyoming are on the AS radar too. Absolutely amazing how far this airline has come, and I can't wait to see where they go next!
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Re: AS Announces SEA-ICT/IND

Wed Aug 03, 2016 9:38 pm

With AS receiving 30+ E175's in the next couple of years (plus new mainline jets) I'm seeing additions out of LAX, SFO, SAN, SJC and PDX to many of the midcon cities that AS is currently (or will be) serving. That's likely the plan with the VX acquisition...offer service from CA cities to those already served by AS out of SEA.
 
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Re: AS Announces SEA-ICT/IND

Wed Aug 03, 2016 10:03 pm

PIT, CMH, and BUF I imagine are the top 3 unserved to SEA. Hopefully those will come soon.
 
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Re: AS Announces SEA-ICT/IND

Wed Aug 03, 2016 10:26 pm

How long can Alaska go without an eastern hub? I mean adding flights to SEA is great but to trully expand their brand and service they are gonna have to set up a hub or focus city somewhere in the East so that they can add service to the smaller markets there as well.
 
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Wed Aug 03, 2016 10:49 pm

If SEA-ICT works, I don't see why SEA-TUL wouldn't work.
 
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Wed Aug 03, 2016 10:57 pm

AirportRival wrote:
How long can Alaska go without an eastern hub? I mean adding flights to SEA is great but to trully expand their brand and service they are gonna have to set up a hub or focus city somewhere in the East so that they can add service to the smaller markets there as well.


I don't see any current desire to fly north-south on the East Coast. Connecting the dots from all major Calif cities to current AS stations mid-con and East Coast is the likely plan. Five years from now who knows? ITC-EWR? OMA-BWI? It could happen.
 
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Re: AS Announces SEA-ICT/IND

Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:30 pm

All Boeing Employees wouldn't like to fly on an EMB 175. They rather be flying Boeing 737. ICT have Boeing plants there. LOL! AS did not good choice aircraft equipment on that route SEA-ICT.

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Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:47 pm

Q wrote:
All Boeing Employees wouldn't like to fly on an EMB 175. They rather be flying Boeing 737. ICT have Boeing plants there. LOL! AS did not good choice aircraft equipment on that route SEA-ICT.

Q


The Boeing employees that would drive yield would like to fly nonstop on an E75 rather than connecting.

Picking a random date in September, there are only five flights operated by Boeing-manufactured aircraft (1x UA and 4x WN) out of ICT daily. Somebody is filling all these Airbus, MD, Bombardier, and Embraer aircraft flying to ICT.
 
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Re: AS Announces SEA-ICT/IND

Thu Aug 04, 2016 12:03 am

hiflyeras wrote:
AirportRival wrote:

How long can Alaska go without an eastern hub? I mean adding flights to SEA is great but to trully expand their brand and service they are gonna have to set up a hub or focus city somewhere in the East so that they can add service to the smaller markets there as well.


I don't see any current desire to fly north-south on the East Coast. Connecting the dots from all major Calif cities to current AS stations mid-con and East Coast is the likely plan. Five years from now who knows? ITC-EWR? OMA-BWI? It could happen.


Maybe he means East of SEA/PDX/SFO/LAX/SAN?

In my feverish imagination STL would be great for AS.

1. Move the VX LGA and DCA slots used out of DAL to STL. Although this would compete with AA services, they could exclude code-shares on those routes. Or not, maybe AA won't care too much.

2. Move to Concourse C in STL to be closer to AA.

3. Link their top 12 Eastern markets to the top 12 Western markets with 3-4 dailies in each direction with a few oddballs thrown an voila! A nice 50+ flight hub making them a more national player.

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Thu Aug 04, 2016 1:49 am

DDR wrote:
If SEA-ICT works, I don't see why SEA-TUL wouldn't work.

I think TUL is too close to KCMI. People from Tulsa will take the short drive to Kansas City and fly out. This is exciting news for this expanded service. If only Sea - Tac had more room so Alaska can have more service.
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Thu Aug 04, 2016 1:58 am

dc10lover wrote:
DDR wrote:
If SEA-ICT works, I don't see why SEA-TUL wouldn't work.

I think TUL is too close to KCMI. People from Tulsa will take the short drive to Kansas City and fly out. This is exciting news for this expanded service. If only Sea - Tac had more room so Alaska can have more service.


Wichita is much closer to Kansas City than Tulsa to Kansas City.
 
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Q wrote:
All Boeing Employees wouldn't like to fly on an EMB 175. They rather be flying Boeing 737. ICT have Boeing plants there. LOL! AS did not good choice aircraft equipment on that route SEA-ICT.

Q


Boeing pulled out of Wichita a couple of years ago. What remains is Bombardier, Textron Aviation (Cessna & Beech), Spirit, and Airbus. When I worked for Boeing many years ago, the first time I flew an Airbus was on a Boeing business trip to Seattle. Boeing employees don't really care/pick the type of aircraft they fly on Boeing business.
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Thu Aug 04, 2016 6:02 am

I actually could see DL picking up CMH-SEA before AS. I'm not sure if I'd say it's more likely than AS on the route first but DL has been pretty strong in CMH.
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Re: AS Announces SEA-ICT/IND

Thu Aug 04, 2016 6:20 am

So we're projecting CMH and PIT, which seem reasonable, but no CLE still? Does one seasonal nonstop on F9 really cover that market?
 
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Thu Aug 04, 2016 1:10 pm

IcelandairMSP wrote:
So we're projecting CMH and PIT, which seem reasonable, but no CLE still? Does one seasonal nonstop on F9 really cover that market?


The O&D between CLE and SEA is highly seasonal (and correlates to F9's seasonal flights which have ran for 3 seasons now). In 2015, Q2 saw about 179 pax PDEW between CLE and SEA, Q3 was about 244 pax PDEW. It's interesting that F9 makes this flight work with no feed on either end. I think F9's seasonal presence keeps AS from adding this, but if F9 ever discontinues this route it's a no brainer add as the demand is there in summer and connections in SEA on AS could help sustain it through the winter lull.
 
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Thu Aug 04, 2016 1:27 pm

IcelandairMSP wrote:
So we're projecting CMH and PIT, which seem reasonable, but no CLE still? Does one seasonal nonstop on F9 really cover that market?


I was just posting the markets that have no competition for AS.

To be honest, CLE and CVG have much better established service to the west coast as a whole compared to CMH and PIT. Not quite sure if the overall strength of market entices or scares away AS in this example. I'm guessing they may just want a route where they compete with themselves to test a market. We'll find out.
 
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Thu Aug 04, 2016 1:32 pm

lakeeffect wrote:
IcelandairMSP wrote:
So we're projecting CMH and PIT, which seem reasonable, but no CLE still? Does one seasonal nonstop on F9 really cover that market?


The O&D between CLE and SEA is highly seasonal (and correlates to F9's seasonal flights which have ran for 3 seasons now). In 2015, Q2 saw about 179 pax PDEW between CLE and SEA, Q3 was about 244 pax PDEW. It's interesting that F9 makes this flight work with no feed on either end. I think F9's seasonal presence keeps AS from adding this, but if F9 ever discontinues this route it's a no brainer add as the demand is there in summer and connections in SEA on AS could help sustain it through the winter lull.


That's a great point about feed. The flight is standing on it's own without any connections at either end. Same with CLE-PDX. Be interesting to see if they bring PDX back next summer.
 
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Re: AS Announces SEA-ICT/IND

Thu Aug 04, 2016 2:08 pm

dbo861 wrote:
dc10lover wrote:
DDR wrote:
If SEA-ICT works, I don't see why SEA-TUL wouldn't work.

I think TUL is too close to KCMI. People from Tulsa will take the short drive to Kansas City and fly out. This is exciting news for this expanded service. If only Sea - Tac had more room so Alaska can have more service.


Wichita is much closer to Kansas City than Tulsa to Kansas City.


OKC (which has AS to SEA) is closer and faster to either of those cities. It's also a 5pm departure which means if one wishes to drive down from TUL for the nonstop they can leave by 1pm.
 
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Re: AS Announces SEA-ICT/IND

Thu Aug 04, 2016 6:35 pm

AirportRival wrote:
How long can Alaska go without an eastern hub? I mean adding flights to SEA is great but to trully expand their brand and service they are gonna have to set up a hub or focus city somewhere in the East so that they can add service to the smaller markets there as well.


Why? I see comments on various threads where people make statements that no one east of the Rockies has ever heard of them. A very incorrect assessment. I can't imagine they would get into a contest in the east with the number of hubs already there. I'm sure we will see more and more transcons, some not involving SEA.
 
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Re: AS Announces SEA-ICT/IND

Thu Aug 04, 2016 9:08 pm

MaxxFlyer wrote:
AirportRival wrote:
How long can Alaska go without an eastern hub? I mean adding flights to SEA is great but to trully expand their brand and service they are gonna have to set up a hub or focus city somewhere in the East so that they can add service to the smaller markets there as well.


Why? I see comments on various threads where people make statements that no one east of the Rockies has ever heard of them. A very incorrect assessment. I can't imagine they would get into a contest in the east with the number of hubs already there. I'm sure we will see more and more transcons, some not involving SEA.


Because transcons are not going to make Alaska one of the big boys. Southwest, American, Delta, and United (the big boys) all have multiple hubs and focus cities across the country. Not everybody wants to fly to California or Washington for a connection if their final destination is a smaller city. Thinking that SEA, PDX, SAN, and LAX are perfect for all expansion plans for Alaska is foolish.
 
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Re: AS Announces SEA-ICT/IND

Thu Aug 04, 2016 9:35 pm

AirportRival wrote:
MaxxFlyer wrote:
AirportRival wrote:
How long can Alaska go without an eastern hub? I mean adding flights to SEA is great but to trully expand their brand and service they are gonna have to set up a hub or focus city somewhere in the East so that they can add service to the smaller markets there as well.


Why? I see comments on various threads where people make statements that no one east of the Rockies has ever heard of them. A very incorrect assessment. I can't imagine they would get into a contest in the east with the number of hubs already there. I'm sure we will see more and more transcons, some not involving SEA.


Because transcons are not going to make Alaska one of the big boys. Southwest, American, Delta, and United (the big boys) all have multiple hubs and focus cities across the country. Not everybody wants to fly to California or Washington for a connection if their final destination is a smaller city. Thinking that SEA, PDX, SAN, and LAX are perfect for all expansion plans for Alaska is foolish.


AS striving to be another UA/AA/DL/WN would be foolish. They are so much bigger than AS that it defies logic for them to think they can try. Instead, they are playing to their strengths, which is the west coast. Look at JetBlue. Their west coast "hub" will be up to a whopping 35 or so daily flights this year. I don't see people decrying the success of JetBlue when all but 35 flights are out of non-west coast hubs/focus cities (and many of those are transcons).
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Re: AS Announces SEA-ICT/IND

Thu Aug 04, 2016 9:47 pm

PlanesNTrains wrote:
AirportRival wrote:
MaxxFlyer wrote:

Why? I see comments on various threads where people make statements that no one east of the Rockies has ever heard of them. A very incorrect assessment. I can't imagine they would get into a contest in the east with the number of hubs already there. I'm sure we will see more and more transcons, some not involving SEA.


Because transcons are not going to make Alaska one of the big boys. Southwest, American, Delta, and United (the big boys) all have multiple hubs and focus cities across the country. Not everybody wants to fly to California or Washington for a connection if their final destination is a smaller city. Thinking that SEA, PDX, SAN, and LAX are perfect for all expansion plans for Alaska is foolish.


AS striving to be another UA/AA/DL/WN would be foolish. They are so much bigger than AS that it defies logic for them to think they can try. Instead, they are playing to their strengths, which is the west coast. Look at JetBlue. Their west coast "hub" will be up to a whopping 35 or so daily flights this year. I don't see people decrying the success of JetBlue when all but 35 flights are out of non-west coast hubs/focus cities (and many of those are transcons).


If Alaska really thought their bread and butter was the West coast then they wouldn't be adding markets in what do many on a.net consider to be fly over country. I refuse to believe that Alaska is content with just adding transcons to their West coast hubs. The same goes for JetBlue. In the thread going on about JetBlue people are saying that they need to add more to the middle of the map and I absolutely agree. If the executive's of JetBlue and Alaska have no plans to become one of the big boys and competing with them then I think they are in the wrong business.
 
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Re: AS Announces SEA-ICT/IND

Thu Aug 04, 2016 10:02 pm

Probably soon Alaska will have to fly more people to Portland or Spokane then take Horizon Air into Seattle. Unless Sea - Tac expands, i don 't see how Alaska can add more flights.
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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Re: AS Announces SEA-ICT/IND

Thu Aug 04, 2016 10:26 pm

jetmatt777 wrote:
dbo861 wrote:
dc10lover wrote:
I think TUL is too close to KCMI. People from Tulsa will take the short drive to Kansas City and fly out. This is exciting news for this expanded service. If only Sea - Tac had more room so Alaska can have more service.


Wichita is much closer to Kansas City than Tulsa to Kansas City.


OKC (which has AS to SEA) is closer and faster to either of those cities. It's also a 5pm departure which means if one wishes to drive down from TUL for the nonstop they can leave by 1pm.


Ha! I didn't know AS flew to OKC. Thanks for the info. The drive between TUL and OKC is only about an hour. This makes AS a possibility for Tulsans.
 
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Re: AS Announces SEA-ICT/IND

Thu Aug 04, 2016 10:39 pm

BoeingGuy wrote:
Freshside3 wrote:
Lots of aviation-related activity in ICT, so it's a "no-brainer" to connect SEA.

On the PIT Airport "Wish List" of routes, SEA is right at the top of it!


TWA did SEA-ICT and it was a disaster. That was before Boeing pulled out of Wichita. Not sure how this will do.

SEA-IND doesn't surprise me one bit.

What's left? PIT? CMH maybe.

Continental, back in ancient times, started flying to Seattle from Witchita. That ended after they could go from Denver to Seattle non-stop.
 
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Re: AS Announces SEA-ICT/IND

Fri Aug 05, 2016 1:28 am

I could potentially use the Indianapolis non-stop from time to time. Glad to hear it.

BoeingGuy wrote:
TWA did SEA-ICT and it was a disaster. That was before Boeing pulled out of Wichita. Not sure how this will do.


Boeing still has vital business ties to Wichita. I'd bet they actually have even more dollars worth of business happening there now as narrowbody rates have ramped up, and major structures of other aircraft have been sourced from there. It just happens via Spirit instead of Boeing-owned facilities.

Boeing is not the only significant Seattle-Wichita tie, either. There's also Air Force bases in both metro areas, and a large office for T-mobile in Witchita, which I'm sure generates some travel from their headquarters near Seattle. There's also plenty of Seattle tech and medical companies that almost certainly sell their goods and services to organizations in Kansas and have some travel needs there.

I don't know how things were in the TWA days. However, an old article on the cancellation says they were trying first to fill an MD-80, then a 717. An E175 will be far easier to achieve a good load factor on. Keep in mind also that both metro areas have been growing, and that per capita air travel has been increasing. I suspect Alaska found themselves an underserved market.

Lastly, it looks like Wichita has very sparse flight connections to the West coast in general. You'd most likely connect through LA, Vegas, or Denver currently. Alaska is particularly well-suited to connect traffic to Portland, Spokane, Boise, Vancouver, etc. Those locales might each average only a few connecting passengers per flight, but they add up. They might also see some Wichita-Hawaii traffic, but I doubt they have any particular advantage for that versus connecting through LA.
 
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Re: AS Announces SEA-ICT/IND

Fri Aug 05, 2016 2:05 am

dc10lover wrote:
Probably soon Alaska will have to fly more people to Portland or Spokane then take Horizon Air into Seattle. Unless Sea - Tac expands, i don 't see how Alaska can add more flights.

That's really exactly what is going to happen. GEG doesn't have the flights, but PDX can function as a surrogate for SEA. There is plenty of space at PDX and AS can route lower-yielding connections through while reserving SEA for higher-yielding nonstops. In essence this is already happening to a degree, almost every routing I've looked up that is shared by SEA and PDX is cheaper from PDX.
 
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Re: AS Announces SEA-ICT/IND

Fri Aug 05, 2016 2:08 am

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Re: AS Announces SEA-ICT/IND

Fri Aug 05, 2016 2:41 am

AirportRival wrote:
MaxxFlyer wrote:
AirportRival wrote:
How long can Alaska go without an eastern hub? I mean adding flights to SEA is great but to trully expand their brand and service they are gonna have to set up a hub or focus city somewhere in the East so that they can add service to the smaller markets there as well.


Why? I see comments on various threads where people make statements that no one east of the Rockies has ever heard of them. A very incorrect assessment. I can't imagine they would get into a contest in the east with the number of hubs already there. I'm sure we will see more and more transcons, some not involving SEA.


Because transcons are not going to make Alaska one of the big boys. Southwest, American, Delta, and United (the big boys) all have multiple hubs and focus cities across the country. Not everybody wants to fly to California or Washington for a connection if their final destination is a smaller city. Thinking that SEA, PDX, SAN, and LAX are perfect for all expansion plans for Alaska is foolish.


Perhaps they do not see a need to be as large as the big 4. They are profitable, expanding cautiously, and seems to be stable. Based on your assertion, jetBlue needs to open a major western hub. Why hasn't that happened?

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