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Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Tue Aug 16, 2016 3:08 am

THE CENTRAL AMERICAN AVIATION THREAD
PART LXV

"HAPPY 10th ANNIVERSARY. 2006-2016""

In December 2006, we all started this nice experience, talking regularly about the civil aviation in our geographical region. This small area of the world has indeed demonstrated here the interest related to this topic and we’d hopefully expect more years sharing this board. Thanks to all the posters and readers !

Edited on August 15, 2016.
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Re: Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Tue Aug 16, 2016 4:22 am

Thanks for the new Thread...! It is indeed a great little place to come and discuss aviation in the Central American region.

I will repost my comments/questions (left at the bottom of the previous thread) here:

For anyone who might have some fresh info, What is the latest on the airlines trying to open new AOCs in the region?.

Apparently AirCosta Rica is having issues with getting decent capital to start, and also they have issues with their planned 737 sitting ar COOPESA (Too many AD's to cover, and not enough money to do it).

Has Volaris made any progress on their Costa Rica plans?

Also, What has been going on with VECA? They have been sending a lot of promos lately, with a lot of seats at $18USD fare per segment, How are they surviving?.
 
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Re: Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Wed Aug 17, 2016 12:05 am

CAMSky wrote:
AirCosta Rica is having issues.

I don't manage much information in this regard.
They were in talks before about the opening of scheduled services in the second half of the year as well as charter services to Haiti, supporting Costa Rica national football team on September 02.
Nothing happened. I'm forming part of these fans and AV SJO-PAP will rather replace this service.
We've seen some progress in VECA due to the opening of the VU SAL-MGA segment in April 2016; they also increased their weekly frequencies to GUA and SJO this year.

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Re: Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Wed Aug 17, 2016 1:41 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
CAMSky wrote:
AirCosta Rica is having issues.

I don't manage much information in this regard.
They were in talks before about the opening of scheduled services in the second half of the year as well as charter services to Haiti, supporting Costa Rica national football team on September 02.
Nothing happened. I'm forming part of these fans and AV SJO-PAP will rather replace this service.
We've seen some progress in VECA due to the opening of the VU SAL-MGA segment in April 2016; they also increased their weekly frequencies to GUA and SJO this year.

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I read an article that Air Costa Rica will start schedule flights to Guatemala in November
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Re: Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Wed Aug 17, 2016 9:10 pm

Very few of us realise how hard it is to actually get an airline up and running. Logistically, it is a nightmare. and it is very very expensive. A VERY VERY basic res system (like Sky vantage) is several hundred thousand dollars.

This is before you spend a cent marketing your very low fares to the public that has never heard of your airline before. This is before the AVs and CMs of the world match your prices luring your interested customers back with double miles etc.

even well organized ones with experienced people at the helm with capital to launch struggle. (Virgin America and Fastjet come to mind)
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Re: Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Fri Aug 19, 2016 5:33 am

yellowtail wrote:
Very few of us realise how hard it is to actually get an airline up and running. Logistically, it is a nightmare. and it is very very expensive.

Let alone the bureaucratic red tape, e.g., Air Costa Rica vs. the local DGAC.
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Re: Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Sat Aug 20, 2016 5:11 am

I'm eager to see how things have developed in my abscence. First my transit stop in PTY in December, my first time back in Panama in 29 years, and then a nice spotting tour to SJO once I'm back in the country, maybe even LIR, never been in LIR. On a personal note, I wanna visit Panama for real soon, even if it's a small trip to DAV via Paso Canoas.
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Re: Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Sat Aug 20, 2016 11:23 pm

Avianca will start reciprocal code-share partnership with Eva Air as shown:

EVA Air operated by Avianca:
San Salvador - Los Angeles
San Salvador - New York JFK
San Salvador - San Francisco

Avianca operated by EVA Air:
Taipei Taoyuan - Los Angeles
Taipei Taoyuan - New York JFK
Taipei Taoyuan - San Francisco

Effective: August 25th.

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Re: Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Mon Aug 22, 2016 11:49 pm

We've talked here about new frequencies on CM PTY-JFK and CM PTY-SFO soon.
As a response, AV will raise their weekly flights on AV SAL-IAD, AV SAL-JFK and AV SAL-SFO.
Schedules haven't been loaded in GDS sources yet.

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Re: Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Tue Aug 23, 2016 1:20 am

SJOtoLIR wrote:
We've talked here about new frequencies on CM PTY-JFK and CM PTY-SFO soon.
As a response, AV will raise their weekly flights on AV SAL-IAD, AV SAL-JFK and AV SAL-SFO.
Schedules haven't been loaded in GDS sources yet.
A major difference between CM PTY and AV (formerly TACA) SAL operations at IAD and SFO; AV traffic is mostly O/D.
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Re: Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Wed Aug 24, 2016 5:35 pm

LTU932 wrote:
I'm eager to see how things have developed in my abscence. First my transit stop in PTY in December.

Still unsure of the extent to which sources inside DGAC are to be trusted on this matter, but your subsequent trips to SJO could be LH nonstops.
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Re: Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Thu Aug 25, 2016 4:11 am

viaggiare wrote:
LTU932 wrote:
I'm eager to see how things have developed in my abscence. First my transit stop in PTY in December.

Still unsure of the extent to which sources inside DGAC are to be trusted on this matter, but your subsequent trips to SJO could be LH nonstops.
Not if I make SYQ my home base again. Then it's TUASA or by car. ;)
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Re: Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Fri Aug 26, 2016 2:05 am

I remember posting a comprehensive press release in 2008 or so, stating about the expansion plans at SAL.
The new terminal building would be developed alongside the old [18-36] runway.
We’re also waiting for the intended international airport oriented to leisure traffic in Sierpe de Osa, Costa Rica.

Nothing happened.
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Re: Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:23 pm

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Has Volaris made any progress on their Costa Rica plans?

Additional time and paperwork needed for the certification process and safety authority but on schedule to take off sometime in 1Q2017, says the airline's CEO. (link in Spanish)

¿Cuándo comenzará a operar la empresa en Costa Rica?
Tienen que pasar varios procesos, tres cosas: una es llevar un avión allá y en segundo lugar, hacer pruebas sobre la plataforma, hay que ver que los mecánicos puedan arreglar el avión, que los pilotos puedan manejar el aparato y que los sobrecargos puedan evacuarlo. El tercer elemento es la certificación de Estados Unidos del mantenimiento y del programa de operaciones, vería la posibilidad de tener las tres cosas en el cuarto trimestre de 2016 y empezar a volar en el primer cuarto de 2017 porque se necesitarán vender boletos antes de despegar.
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Re: Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Wed Aug 31, 2016 2:37 am

CM PTY-GRU goes surprisingly from 28x to 35x weekly.
The schedule allocation of the new flight has been released:

CM 800.....PTY 15:24 - 01:30+1......GRU.....738.....Daily
CM 801.....GRU 02:30 - 06:24..........PTY.....738.....Daily
Effective: December 15th


CM PTY-VCP was definitely canceled in December 2015 and the airline is rather opting for more frequencies at GRU.
The usage of alternative airports on Copa Airlines hasn't precisely been a smart idea.

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Re: Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Thu Sep 01, 2016 12:24 am

SJOtoLIR wrote:
CM PTY-GRU goes surprisingly from 28x to 35x weekly.
The schedule allocation of the new flight has been released:

CM 800.....PTY 15:24 - 01:30+1......GRU.....738.....Daily
CM 801.....GRU 02:30 - 06:24..........PTY.....738.....Daily
Effective: December 15th
Only at Brazil FIFA Football World Cup peak CM offered 5 daily flights between PTY and GRU.
It's impressive given the state of the Brazilian economy compared to last year.
CM PTY-VCP was definitely canceled in December 2015 and the airline is rather opting for more frequencies at GRU.
The usage of alternative airports on Copa Airlines hasn't precisely been a smart idea.
IMHO, PTY-VCP will eventually return to CM network, GRU is more and more slot restricted and CM getting a GRU slot between 0130 and 0230 - when GRU operations really go down - isn't such a major achievement.
it's expected CM eventually might operate something like a day-time rotation PTY-VCP-PTY departing PTY before 0800 and back to PTY before 2100 to serve Campinas O/D market and as a back-up to its GRU frequencies as it'd be almost impossible to do that at GRU now.
CM alternate airports operations will happen, FLL will pick-up, VCP might return and it'd be no surprise CM adds TLC and even some other U.S. alternate airports to its network in the near future.
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Re: Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Sat Sep 03, 2016 3:03 am

Avianca Holdings, the six-year-old subsidiary of Synergy Group formed by the merger of Avianca and TACA is rumored to be on the verge of dissolution according to a radio network belonging to CARACOL. (link in Spanish)

El rumor que hay hoy en día en Avianca, es que se llegaría a la separación (...) no se ha llevado a cabo aún porque hay que cumplir con los lineamientos accionarios de la sociedad. (fair use excerpt)
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Re: Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Sun Sep 04, 2016 1:24 am

Copa Airlines is parking 3 737-800 in La Aurora.
No space in PTY ?

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Re: Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Sun Sep 04, 2016 3:54 pm

Someone spotted a fourth CM airplane, the question is: are there on storage ? Or are they just overnigh on GUA ?
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CM767 wrote:
Someone spotted a fourth CM airplane, the question is: are there on storage ? Or are they just overnigh on GUA ?
Well it looks like PTY doesn't have enough room to keep them.
Question is, other that CM could rotate them in GUA easily is Why fly them to GUA if Panama has ONX and BLB right here in town to keep them?
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Re: Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:54 am

Checking GUA departures, there are 4 between 6 and 7 AM for CM. Not sure if this is new . New pictures have been posted on other site that show different planes on the site. So apparently they are not on storage.
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Re: Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Mon Sep 05, 2016 2:25 am

Where are you seeing the schedules? For tomorrow, I see 3 flights between 6 and 7 am. 1 each to PTY, MGA, and SJO, 2 of them (MGA and PTY) being operated by an E190 jet.
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Re: Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Mon Sep 05, 2016 2:28 am

Hi,


On CM's website the departures where for today. I did not check for tomorrow
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Re: Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Tue Sep 06, 2016 2:43 am

2travel2know2 wrote:
it'd be no surprise CM adds TLC.

Speaking about the usage of alternative airports in Mexico City, CM PTY-PBC used to fly as 4x-2x weekly and it was definitely ceased on June 30th, after less than one year of comercial operations.
Why may CM PTY-TLC work better than CM PTY-PBC ? I didn't find much difference.

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Re: Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Tue Sep 06, 2016 3:03 am

Everybody seems to be in shock due to the three 738s parked at GUA tarmac.
Guatemala City works as a "focus city" on Copa Airlines, operating CM GUA-MGA-GUA, among other schedules.
Three jets belonging to the Panamanian flagship airline are remaining overnight at GUA, based on flightstats.com
It's not a strange sight the usual permanency of at least two active CM jets in airports like GRU, CUN, EZE, SCL, HAV, SDQ, MEX, MIA and SJO.

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Re: Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Tue Sep 06, 2016 3:11 am

Yes, GUA gets 3 RON aircraft every night. The strange thing is that these parked 737's are in addition to the 3 RON aircraft, which happen to be a 737/E190 mix.
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Re: Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Thu Sep 08, 2016 2:40 am

We've previously commented here about the upcoming service linking San Jose - Munich on Condor Flugdienst.
However, the original schedule has been slightly modified due to the new layover in Punta Cana, not Santo Domingo.

DE 2188 MUC 21:45 - 03:20+1 PUJ 04:40+1 - 05:20+1 SJO......Mo. ..76W
DE 2189 SJO 09:30 - 14:05 PUJ 15:20 - 06:00+1 MUC..............Tu.....76W
Effective: November 07th.

The existing DE FRA-SDQ-SJO 2x weekly will persist in the future.

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Re: Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Fri Sep 09, 2016 3:08 am

avi8 wrote:
The strange thing is that these parked 737's are in addition to the 3 RON aircraft, which happen to be a 737/E190 mix.

You did a good point.
Rummaging among the operations of Copa Airlines in Guatemala City, the three 738s parked at GUA make no sense of logic.

DEPARTURES
..Flight......Departure.............Route
CM 392.......06:18..........GUA-SJO-PTY
CM 405.......06:45..........GUA-MGA **E90; Copa Airlines Colombia
CM 389.......07:05..........GUA-PTY
CM 407.......11:00..........GUA-PTY
CM 537.......12:08..........GUA-SJO-PTY **E90; Copa Airlines Colombia
CM 319.......13:52..........GUA-PTY
CM 359.......16:20..........GUA-PTY


ARRIVALS
..Flight.........Arrival.............Route
CM 407........10:10..........MGA-GUA
CM 536........10:33..........PTY-SJO-GUA **E90; Copa Airlines Colombia
CM 358........11:01..........PTY-GUA
CM 320........12:53..........PTY-GUA
CM 390.........20:37.........PTY-GUA
CM 391.........22:09.........PTY-SJO-GUA **E90; Copa Airlines Colombia
CM 496.........23:03.........PTY-GUA

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Re: Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:56 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
2travel2know2 wrote:
it'd be no surprise CM adds TLC.
Speaking about the usage of alternative airports in Mexico City, CM PTY-PBC used to fly as 4x-2x weekly and it was definitely ceased on June 30th, after less than one year of comercial operations.
Why may CM PTY-TLC work better than CM PTY-PBC ? I didn't find much difference.
TLC is far nearer Mexico City than PBC and those Mexico City suburbs nearest to TLC are quite affluent. Many passengers - given the chance - would chose to fly CM out of TLC instead of MEX.
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Re: Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:24 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
avi8 wrote:
The strange thing is that these parked 737's are in addition to the 3 RON aircraft, which happen to be a 737/E190 mix.

You did a good point.
Rummaging among the operations of Copa Airlines in Guatemala City, the three 738s parked at GUA make no sense of logic.

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CM does do some general maintenance in GUA. Maybe they are using the shoulder period to do some work there are are rotating in 73s as part of that.
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Re: Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Tue Sep 13, 2016 3:16 am

2travel2know2 wrote:
TLC is far nearer Mexico City than PBC and those Mexico City suburbs nearest to TLC are quite affluent.

I'm not sure yet about any successful CM PTY-TLC as back-up for CM PTY-MEX.
InterJet failed in 2007 launching 4O TLC-GUA. The route was eliminated and it's operating nowadays as 4O MEX-GUA.

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Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:03 pm

SJOtoLIR wrote:
2travel2know2 wrote:
TLC is far nearer Mexico City than PBC and those Mexico City suburbs nearest to TLC are quite affluent.

I'm not sure yet about any successful CM PTY-TLC as back-up for CM PTY-MEX.
InterJet failed in 2007 launching 4O TLC-GUA. The route was eliminated and it's operating nowadays as 4O MEX-GUA.
A TLC-PTY route can't be compared to a TLC-GUA as PTY traffic wouldn't be almost all O/D.
An operational problem with possible CM at TLC would be that CM E190 might not be able to take-off from TLC to PTY fully loaded due to TLC altitude (higher than MEX). B737-700 would be the smallest CM aircraft suitable for that route.
IMHO, any possible CM to TLC has a lot to do with an schedule (days of operation and departure/arrival times) suitable to back-up MEX flights.
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Re: Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Thu Sep 15, 2016 4:33 pm

Not sure if a flight to TLC is needed there are lot of flights now between MEX and PTY, I have seen the fares go down at least for the last year to nearly 50% of what CM was charging on previous years. I have seen planes almost empty when booking a couple weeks ahead of departure.
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Thu Sep 15, 2016 4:56 pm

What's up with all the news about UA/CM and possibly even DL eyeing a stake in AV? UA would seem counterintuitive given their still closer relationship with CM vis-à-vis AV. I could see CM since they're going head to head in the Americas but CM doesn't seem to like anything outside of the 737, so a merger or even minority stake sounds like a culture clash a la AS / VX.

And DL, that would mean AV would likely go to ST, but AV seems fairly comfortable with *A relationships outside of UA/CM, e.g. the ongoing collaboration with LH Group through places like MIA and BOG.

Thoughts?

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Thu Sep 15, 2016 6:59 pm

AM MEX-SAP: 7x to 14x weekly. Effective: January 10.
CM PTY-GRU: 28x to 35x weekly. Effective: December 15.
CM PTY-ASU: 14x to 18x weekly. Effective: January 04 till February 16.
CM PTY-LAX: 21x to 25x weekly. Effective: December 15 till January 16.
CM PTY-SCL: 35x to 42x weekly. Effective: January 06 till February 27.
CM PTY-IAD: 13x to 18x weekly. Effective: December 15 till January 15.

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Sat Sep 17, 2016 4:33 am

What goes around, comes around (link in Spanish) is a short essay on Karma being such a cruel mistress.

Lo mismo que TACA International había hecho con Aviateca, SAHSA, NICA y LACSA, ahora se lo hacía la aerolínea de bandera nacional de Colombia. (fair use excerpt)

She can be awfully cold hearted, eh señor Kriete?
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Re: Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Sat Sep 17, 2016 1:27 pm

viaggiare wrote:
What goes around, comes around (link in Spanish) is a short essay on Karma being such a cruel mistress.

Lo mismo que TACA International había hecho con Aviateca, SAHSA, NICA y LACSA, ahora se lo hacía la aerolínea de bandera nacional de Colombia. (fair use excerpt)

She can be awfully cold hearted, eh señor Kriete?
Indeed. It is, as we say in German, an irony of fate. An airline that swallowed four other airlines gets swallowed itself. I do wonder how antitrust authorities of El Salvador and Colombia even allowed the merger of TA and AV. Or is there something like in Germany, where the Minister of Economic Affairs can give special permission to circumvent a merger rejection by the federal antitrust office (like in the supermarket merger between Edeka and Kaiser's Tengelmann that got stopped by a judge). In Europe, you'd have the EU commission all over them and I don't think they're as forgiving as the antitrust authorities in Germany, El Salvador and Colombia.
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Re: Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:09 pm

ua900 wrote:
What's up with all the news about UA/CM and possibly even DL eyeing a stake in AV?


I think the possibility could be found in this except from the press release:

“Avianca Holdings SA, based in Bogota, has been hunting for an international partner to help shore up its balance sheet and support growth.”

If Delta Air Lines would make some deals and investments into Avianca Holdings, the chance of AV grouping into SkyTeam could be feasible later.
This is only a weak hypothesis and there’s no evidence yet indicating a chance for it. However, this might be the first step.
AV looks like very comfortable within Star Alliance as posting out before and regarding the recent commercial agreements with Turkish Airlines.
Only time will tell, but we already have the first realistic light for that chance.

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Re: Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:13 pm

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I could see CM since they're going head to head in the Americas but CM doesn't seem to like anything outside of the 737

Copa Airlines doesn’t seem to be interested for the long-haul equipment.
Their businesses are basically concentrated into the 737 family and only for the Americas.
It’s like asking why doesn’t Emirates operate regional planes ? They don’t care about it. Same with Copa Airlines.

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Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:20 pm

viaggiare wrote:
Lo mismo que TACA International había hecho con Aviateca, SAHSA, NICA y LACSA, ahora se lo hacía la aerolínea de bandera nacional de Colombia.

As far as I know, Sasha from Honduras didn't belong to GRUPO TACA.
It went into bankruptcy by the early 90s.
Too busy to check it now !

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Mon Sep 19, 2016 1:17 am

Patiently awaiting CHI-GUA. The one missing Central America to Chicago route.
 
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Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:40 am

There are multiple rumors in Honduras of DE commencing a limited charter operation to RTB next year. Flight would be from FRA via SDQ
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Re: Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:50 pm

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ua900 wrote:
I could see CM since they're going head to head in the Americas but CM doesn't seem to like anything outside of the 737

Copa Airlines doesn’t seem to be interested for the long-haul equipment.
Their businesses are basically concentrated into the 737 family and only for the Americas.
It’s like asking why doesn’t Emirates operate regional planes ? They don’t care about it. Same with Copa Airlines.
Must agree, CM isn't interested in any long-haul equipment not even the B737-700ER.
So why bother getting those to fly to MAD when the competitor flies the route w/wide-body Airbus?
But B.T.W. if CM B737s were ETOPS those would have the range to fly between New England and U.K, The Caribbean and Canary Islands / Madeira and between Brazil and Africa.
I'm not on CM's payroll.
 
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Re: Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Mon Sep 19, 2016 5:49 pm

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viaggiare wrote:
Lo mismo que TACA International había hecho con Aviateca, SAHSA, NICA y LACSA, ahora se lo hacía la aerolínea de bandera nacional de Colombia.

As far as I know, Sasha from Honduras didn't belong to GRUPO TACA.
It went into bankruptcy by the early 90s.
Too busy to check it now !

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Re: Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Tue Sep 20, 2016 2:23 am

globalcabotage wrote:
Patiently awaiting CHI-GUA. The one missing Central America to Chicago route.

The former TACA used to fly the ORD-GUA segment, 15 years ago or so.

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Re: Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Tue Sep 20, 2016 2:22 pm

The flight stopped operating 4 years ago I think... It was 3 weekly and operated for years. It's a shame the flight doesn't exist anymore.
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Re: Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:46 pm

So, the Turrialba volcano has struck once again with a major erruption and an ash cloud. Reports say that many Costa Ricans are stuck in SAL and of aircraft that landed in LIR and had to shuttle people to Alajuela by coach. SJO has reopened since around noon but it seems those interruptions may become the norm. The Turrialba has been very active all year and I hope it calms down before I fly back to Costa Rica in December, or else I may have to get a ticket from Ticabus for that looooong ride by coach from PTY to Paso Canoas and from there back home to Pavas.
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Re: Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:48 pm

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AV looks like very comfortable within Star Alliance as posting out before and regarding the recent commercial agreements with Turkish Airlines.


Same as with LH Group through MIA connections and AC through YYZ. Relations between AV and UA seem rather bad though, hard to get these two on the same ticket stock. IMO AV's best chances for growth lie with *A carriers outside of A++ (aside from AC and LH of course), with more deals like the TK deal, bypassing the U.S. customs and immigration in favor of more direct flights between LatAm and Europe, Africa and Asia. For example it would be great if ET would start ADD-BOG and AV and ET would start feeding passengers to each others regional networks, or NH could start TYO - BOG for example.
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Re: Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:28 pm

ua900 wrote:
SJOtoLIR wrote:
AV looks like very comfortable within Star Alliance as posting out before and regarding the recent commercial agreements with Turkish Airlines.

For example it would be great if ET would start ADD-BOG and AV and ET would start feeding passengers to each others regional networks, or NH could start TYO - BOG for example.


Don't think ADD/NRT-BOG is doable with any meaningful payload nonstop due to altitude issue in BOG (and ADD) + its ULH. that is why TK does IST-BOG-PTY-IST.
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Re: Central American aviation thread. Part 65

Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:03 am

ua900 wrote:
it would be great if ET would start ADD-BOG and AV and ET would start feeding passengers to each others regional networks, or NH could start TYO - BOG for example.

Both NH and AV already hold a code-share agreement since October 2015.
This is how it works: selected flights operated by for AV bear the NH designator, in order to match some flights from Japan landing in the United States and the United Kingdom.
Having said that, this is the comprehensive list:

ANA operated by Avianca Group:
Chicago - San Salvador
London Heathrow - Bogota
Los Angeles - Bogota
Los Angeles - Guatemala City
Los Angeles - San Salvador
New York JFK - Bogota
New York JFK - Medellin
New York JFK - San Pedro Sula
New York JFK - San Salvador
San Francisco - San Salvador
Washington Dulles - Bogota
Washington Dulles - San Salvador

I don't foresee NH flying in Colombia as direct services.
Even some more dynamic and larger Latin American stations lost some flights to Japan, in the past years: JL NRT-YVR-MEX and JL NRT-JFK-GRU.
We're totally forgotten the extinct services of the triangular TP LIS-BOG-PTY-LIS, another Star Alliance carrier from Europe. A thin code-share agreement loaded some domestic within Colombia and operated by AV mainline.

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