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Delta A350 Routes

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Upon delivery, what routes do you think Delta will deploy their A350's on?
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Fri Aug 19, 2016 1:55 pm

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Upon delivery, what routes do you think Delta will deploy their A350's on?


Originally, I believe they said that they were going to launch it on LAX-SYD, but that might have very well changed - I heard that almost a year ago now.<br>
More than likely, I believe that the first base will be DTW and they'll replace 747s 1-for-1 as they're phased out next year. <br>
One would think that it'll be DTW-ICN, DTW-NRT-MNL. Second base would likely be LAX followed by SEA.
 
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Fri Aug 19, 2016 1:55 pm

SYD-LAX, according to the following article the A350 be used on some Asia Pacific routes

A spokeswoman for Delta Air Lines confirmed to Australian Business Traveller that the Airbus A350s "will be used on some Asia Pacific routes... including SYD-LAX".

Delta's current direct routes to Asia include its regional hub of Tokyo, Beijing, Shanghai, Hong Kong and Seoul.


DL is also crunching the numbers for a direct LAX-MEL service

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Fri Aug 19, 2016 2:01 pm

Good question. I have been wondering the same.

I have no idea. If I had to guess, I'd say that they'll be DTW and LAX based for Asia traffic. Maybe PVG routes, DTW-ICN, etc..
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Fri Aug 19, 2016 2:07 pm

It will almost certainly go to where the 747s are last operating.
 
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Fri Aug 19, 2016 2:16 pm

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It will almost certainly go to where the 747s are last operating.



Delta timetable has 744s operating:

DTW-NRT
DTW-ICN
DTW-PVG


Not sure about MSP LAX and ATL 744 routes - ATL used to fly 744s to HNL.

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Originally, I believe they said that they were going to launch it on LAX-SYD, but that might have very well changed




LAX-SYD is currently 777 according to flight schedule but may get 744 upgrades seasonally.

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Fri Aug 19, 2016 2:31 pm

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LAX-SYD is currently 777 according to flight schedule but may get 744 upgrades seasonally.

I don't think LAX-SYD has ever received scheduled 744 service from DL.
 
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Fri Aug 19, 2016 2:41 pm

This is not new news. DL has said that they would start the first ones out of DTW followed by a West Coast Hub.
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Fri Aug 19, 2016 2:46 pm

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Upon delivery, what routes do you think Delta will deploy their A350's on?

First base will be DTW. Its pretty safe to bet that DTW-PVG, ICN and NRT will go A350 or 777.

second base will be SEA or LAX it sounds like. 777s shifting back to ATL and JFK.
 
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enilria wrote:
It will almost certainly go to where the 747s are last operating.



Delta timetable has 744s operating:

DTW-NRT
DTW-ICN
DTW-PVG



In October of this year, 744s are also flying SEA-NRT, at least some days of the week. Been looking at flights and noticed an up-gauge there.
 
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Fri Aug 19, 2016 3:03 pm

deltal1011man wrote:
787fan8 wrote:
Upon delivery, what routes do you think Delta will deploy their A350's on?

First base will be DTW. Its pretty safe to bet that DTW-PVG, ICN and NRT will go A350 or 777.

second base will be SEA or LAX it sounds like. 777s shifting back to ATL and JFK.


I thought DL just opened a 777 base at LAX? However, it does not surprise me DL will eventually place the A350 on LAX-SYD. I can't imagine a third base being added until 2019 since DL will only be taking 11 of them in 2017/2018 instead of 15. With NRT's importance diminishing, I'd say DTW-PVG/ICN will be the first two long haul Asia routes next year. Has it been confirmed DL will park the remaining 7 747s in September instead of December? Sounds like they might have been able to take a few A350s earlier than they anticipated next year.
 
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deltal1011man wrote:
787fan8 wrote:
Upon delivery, what routes do you think Delta will deploy their A350's on?

First base will be DTW. Its pretty safe to bet that DTW-PVG, ICN and NRT will go A350 or 777.

second base will be SEA or LAX it sounds like. 777s shifting back to ATL and JFK.


I thought DL just opened a 777 base at LAX? However, it does not surprise me DL will eventually place the A350 on LAX-SYD. I can't imagine a third base being added until 2019 since DL will only be taking 11 of them in 2017/2018 instead of 15. With NRT's importance diminishing, I'd say DTW-PVG/ICN will be the first two long haul Asia routes next year. Has it been confirmed DL will park the remaining 7 747s in September instead of December? Sounds like they might have been able to take a few A350s earlier than they anticipated next year.

they did.

but they weren't going to wait till 2018 for the A350 to show up to start flying some of the routes they are now. LAX is about to be at 4 dailies on the 777. IIRC that is the largest amount of 777 from any hub.
 
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Doesn't Delta have 787 deliveries coming up as well?
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Doesn't Delta have 787 deliveries coming up as well?

Unless the 787s are converted into something else or deferred (or moved up, but that is highly unlikely), the first one isn't being delivered until 2020.
 
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If they were to start with LAX-SYD, wouldn't they have to wait until they get at least two or three frames?
Or would it be on select days of the week?
 
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deltal1011man wrote:
DeSpringbokke wrote:
deltal1011man wrote:
but they weren't going to wait till 2018 for the A350 to show up to start flying some of the routes they are now. LAX is about to be at 4 dailies on the 777. IIRC that is the largest amount of 777 from any hub.


So I assume LAX-PEK is happening irregardless of DOT's decision on the AA/DL LAX-PEK application. I guess competing with AA/CA on LAX-PEK has a better chance of succeeding right now instead ATL-PVG. No doubt the market is significantly larger.
 
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deltal1011man wrote:
DeSpringbokke wrote:


So I assume LAX-PEK is happening irregardless of DOT's decision on the AA/DL LAX-PEK application. I guess competing with AA/CA on LAX-PEK has a better chance of succeeding right now instead ATL-PVG. No doubt the market is significantly larger.

highly likely that they move NRT-PVG to LAX-PEK if AA gets the award.
 
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deltal1011man wrote:
DeSpringbokke wrote:
deltal1011man wrote:


So I assume LAX-PEK is happening irregardless of DOT's decision on the AA/DL LAX-PEK application. I guess competing with AA/CA on LAX-PEK has a better chance of succeeding right now instead ATL-PVG. No doubt the market is significantly larger.

highly likely that they move NRT-PVG to LAX-PEK if AA gets the award.


ATL-PVG is much more crucial to DL's long term vision than LAX-PEK is. If AA wins this round, NRT-PVG more likely goes to ATL-PVG than LAX-PEK. If DL is ready to abandon NRT and go all in on their MU/PVG strategy, this would be a better move.

I know, for a fact, that DL is offering "early outs" to PVG FA base because of over-staffing issues (at least that's the reason they've publicly given). That base stems from the PM-NW days, mostly plowing NRT-PVG. If I'm not over-reading the tea leaves, NRT-PVG might be gone within the next 12 months.
 
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Fri Aug 19, 2016 4:05 pm

First flights are probably gunna be ATL/DTW-MCO or TPA or LAX. Gotta some inflight flight experience on the new fleet type afterall, like DL has done with every other new fleet type since oh I dunno...the DC--8? :P
 
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ATL-PVG is much more crucial to DL's long term vision than LAX-PEK is. If AA wins this round, NRT-PVG more likely goes to ATL-PVG than LAX-PEK. If DL is ready to abandon NRT and go all in on their MU/PVG strategy, this would be a better move.

Not at all. They are both equally crucial. DL growing in LA is just as important as DL growing at PVG.

And they can't go all in on the MU strategy till the US and China have open skies.
 
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When can we expect one in Amsterdam? Must be high on the list ;-)
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ATL-PVG is much more crucial to DL's long term vision than LAX-PEK is. If AA wins this round, NRT-PVG more likely goes to ATL-PVG than LAX-PEK. If DL is ready to abandon NRT and go all in on their MU/PVG strategy, this would be a better move.

Not at all. They are both equally crucial. DL growing in LA is just as important as DL growing at PVG.

And they can't go all in on the MU strategy till the US and China have open skies.


LAX-PEK would be a 3-way bloodbath if AA wins the authority and DL repatriates. ATL-PVG would be a monopoly all to themselves while strengthening their PVG hub.

The open skies part won't happen anytime within 5 years so no one should be sitting around waiting for that to happen. FWIW, even HKG-USA isn't full open skies.
 
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When can we expect one in Amsterdam? Must be high on the list ;-)

I expect you will be waiting awhile. The A339 will be the aircraft of choice for transatlantic flights. The A350s will be focused on Pacific flights.
 
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When can we expect one in Amsterdam? Must be high on the list ;-)

A330neos will be deployed on Transatlantic services.
 
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Dutchy wrote:
When can we expect one in Amsterdam? Must be high on the list ;-)

I expect you will be waiting awhile. The A339 will be the aircraft of choice for transatlantic flights. The A350s will be focused on Pacific flights.


Speaking of which, the press release from the new Delta One Suites (with the door) had no mention of the upcoming A330-900 fleet whatsoever, even though those will be brand new planes not retrofits.
 
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LAX-PEK would be a 3-way bloodbath if AA wins the authority and DL repatriates.

so is basically every other route at LAX. PEK is pretty mild compared to some of the other flying DL has added as of late.

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ATL-PVG would be a monopoly all to themselves while strengthening their PVG hub.

and is going to burn money just like it did the last two times DL has tried it. I might make some limited since if they had a JV hub on the other end, but as it is now its going to fail like it did before.

a380787 wrote:
The open skies part won't happen anytime within 5 years so no one should be sitting around waiting for that to happen. FWIW, even HKG-USA isn't full open skies.

I don't think it happens in 20 years.

but I still believe this PVG hub idea is nothing more than a pipe dream because they are in a pissing contest with the airline they and everyone else knows they should have a JV with.
 
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they'll replace 747s 1-for-1 as they're phased out next year.


So does that mean a reduction of capacity? The 744 is at 376 pax (http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US/traveling-with-us/airports-and-aircraft/Aircraft/boeing-747-400-744.html. How many on the A350?
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DLLongIsland wrote:
they'll replace 747s 1-for-1 as they're phased out next year.


So does that mean a reduction of capacity? The 744 is at 376 pax (http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US/traveling-with-us/airports-and-aircraft/Aircraft/boeing-747-400-744.html. How many on the A350?

yes but more routes to ICN/PVG from other hubs are going to happen.

Also SEA-ICN/PVG will likely see more capacity which will help balance it out across the network.
 
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ro1960 wrote:
DLLongIsland wrote:
they'll replace 747s 1-for-1 as they're phased out next year.


So does that mean a reduction of capacity? The 744 is at 376 pax (http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US/traveling-with-us/airports-and-aircraft/Aircraft/boeing-747-400-744.html. How many on the A350?

Yes, there will be a reduction of capacity. That is not necessarily a bad thing though- by reducing capacity DL can boost yields. DL is using the 744s because they have them and need to fly them somewhere, that doesn't mean their max capacity is necessarily desired on every route the planes fly.
 
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Doesn't Delta have 787 deliveries coming up as well?


Will be interesting to see what DL eventually does with this order. I suspect it'll be converted to some other plane, perhaps to the MOM aircraft if Boeing decides to build it.
 
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ro1960 wrote:
DLLongIsland wrote:
they'll replace 747s 1-for-1 as they're phased out next year.


So does that mean a reduction of capacity? The 744 is at 376 pax (http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US/traveling-with-us/airports-and-aircraft/Aircraft/boeing-747-400-744.html. How many on the A350?


All that has been released is they will have 32 in J class. My guess total would be around 315-325.
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ro1960 wrote:
DLLongIsland wrote:
they'll replace 747s 1-for-1 as they're phased out next year.


So does that mean a reduction of capacity? The 744 is at 376 pax (http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US/traveling-with-us/airports-and-aircraft/Aircraft/boeing-747-400-744.html. How many on the A350?


All that has been released is they will have 32 in J class. My guess total would be around 315-325.


I'm guessing around 300 like their 777s (which are currently 37/36/218). The A350 will have a smaller J cabin than that, but it is also expected to have a more spacious Y+ product, vs the current Y with just more legroom as currently featured on DL's aircraft.
 
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ro1960 wrote:
DLLongIsland wrote:
they'll replace 747s 1-for-1 as they're phased out next year.


So does that mean a reduction of capacity? The 744 is at 376 pax (http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US/traveling-with-us/airports-and-aircraft/Aircraft/boeing-747-400-744.html. How many on the A350?



That was my thought too meaning more capacity diverted away from Detroit in favor of the other hubs or maybe they will add frequencies on these markets out of Detroit. LAX-PVG is very crucial to Delta as they want to make PNMG their hub in Asia instead of NRT.
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DL has said that the A330NEOs will be used on transatlantic routes and the A350s will be used on transpacific routes. I expect LAX-SYD will be a good starter. We might also see the A350 on some of the longer transatlantic routes like LAX-CDG, which approach TPAC in length.
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Polot wrote:
ro1960 wrote:
DLLongIsland wrote:
they'll replace 747s 1-for-1 as they're phased out next year.


So does that mean a reduction of capacity? The 744 is at 376 pax (http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US/traveling-with-us/airports-and-aircraft/Aircraft/boeing-747-400-744.html. How many on the A350?

Yes, there will be a reduction of capacity. That is not necessarily a bad thing though- by reducing capacity DL can boost yields. DL is using the 744s because they have them and need to fly them somewhere, that doesn't mean their max capacity is necessarily desired on every route the planes fly.


That is a bad thing for the customer and the airport they both lose out due to less capacity.
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I'm guessing around 300 like their 777s (which are currently 37/36/218). The A350 will have a smaller J cabin than that, but it is also expected to have a more spacious Y+ product, vs the current Y with just more legroom as currently featured on DL's aircraft.


OK, down ~85 seats. Does that mean they didn't fill up the 744?
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a380787 wrote:
Polot wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
When can we expect one in Amsterdam? Must be high on the list ;-)

I expect you will be waiting awhile. The A339 will be the aircraft of choice for transatlantic flights. The A350s will be focused on Pacific flights.


Speaking of which, the press release from the new Delta One Suites (with the door) had no mention of the upcoming A330-900 fleet whatsoever, even though those will be brand new planes not retrofits.

in due time. All the focus right now is on the 350 fleet.

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That is a bad thing for the customer and the airport they both lose out due to less capacity.

no it isn't. Its a good thing for customers as they have more options to connect over airports close to them or in some cases (LAX-PVG for example) the large local market doesn't have to connect but can get a non-stop.

but since you want DTW to be the only hub DL has (and give seats away for free) of course in your mind its bad.
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DL has said that the A330NEOs will be used on transatlantic routes and the A350s will be used on transpacific routes. I expect LAX-SYD will be a good starter. We might also see the A350 on some of the longer transatlantic routes like LAX-CDG, which approach TPAC in length.

thats not a hard rule. Some of the 767 flying in the pacific will be done by the A330 (both CEO and NEO)
 
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DTW-PVG is the farthest route from DTW. I honestly think they could make the 359 work on the DTW-PEK route.
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thats not a hard rule. Some of the 767 flying in the pacific will be done by the A330 (both CEO and NEO)


With DL there are never hard rules. We will see many of the decisions based on whether the route is too long for the 330 or whether one type vs. the other has the more favorable Y/C/J mix for that route.
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It looks like last 747-400 will leave Manila on 11/27. My Christmas return was change from the 747 to a 767 MNLNRTSEA. Also it looks like NRT will drop from today's 4 747-400's, DTW, SEA, MNL, HNL. to only DTW. Really going to miss this airplane. Have been flying this route since 1973 and the 747-100's and 200's. With the classic 747's the oversales were frequent with NW offering overnight accommodations, next day on JAL and several hundred dollars. Back then there were only 3 flights a day, with NW the only evening NRT departure and only am Manila departure. Now there are 7 NRT, 2 HND flights. The folks whom are going to miss the 400 the most are the non-revs who always fill up the open seats on the 400. Sad day for this old traveler.
 
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I honestly think they could make the 359 work on the DTW-PEK route.

I expect we will see the A359 flying that route soon.

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Speaking of which, the press release from the new Delta One Suites (with the door) had no mention of the upcoming A330-900 fleet whatsoever, even though those will be brand new planes not retrofits.

I suppose that is either because the A339NEOs will not be arriving for a long time (therefore, the announcement will be made later), or because DL sees no need for "suites" for trans-Atlantic service, but only longer haul ops like Asia, SYD, JNB, etc.
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That was my thought too meaning more capacity diverted away from Detroit in favor of the other hubs or maybe they will add frequencies on these markets out of Detroit. LAX-PVG is very crucial to Delta as they want to make PNMG their hub in Asia instead of NRT.


The sky is not falling in DTW. I'm pretty comfortable in saying that DL will continue taking good care of Detroit.
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That was my thought too meaning more capacity diverted away from Detroit in favor of the other hubs or maybe they will add frequencies on these markets out of Detroit. LAX-PVG is very crucial to Delta as they want to make PNMG their hub in Asia instead of NRT.


Why do you care if DL is reducing capacity in DTW? You said you hate Delta - you should be glad you won't see so much of them!

Or maybe you forgot what you said... making sense of your rants is becoming more and more difficult... :roll:
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I don't understand.

I fly(not ride) the 747 for Delta. We carry 370 pax Dtw to ICN. 370 to PNG. 370 to NRT daily. I fly the planes and cannot get my wife on the trip as a pass rider. Delta is going to replace it with a 300 pax plane? How is that going to help. Now if they replace each 747 with 2 350s or 787s, I can see that as you will now have a frequency, more pax and virtually the same price as a 747.

Then again, The decision was made by the same guys who decided to buy back stock to inflate the price so they can sell their shares. 30 mil this year alone yet nothing towards IT.

Can anyone have an opinion for these seemingly bad business moves.
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Re: Delta A350 Routes

Fri Aug 19, 2016 9:59 pm

ro1960 wrote:
does that mean a reduction of capacity? The 744 is at 376 pax (http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US/traveling-with-us/airports-and-aircraft/Aircraft/boeing-747-400-744.html. How many on the A350?


With only 32 in D1 and probably 24 in W, the total number of passengers should be somewhere between 318-329. The A350-900 is really perfect for what DL wants to do in Asia. Its a good size for long term growth but yet not too big like the A350-1000. If DL needed a one for one replacement of the 747-400, it would have gone ahead and ordered last off the line 777-300ERs like UAL. With primary Pacific gateways in SEA/LAX/DTW, DL will be just fine five years from now. They're just going through a rough patch with the Yen's decline combined with the need to dump the 747-400s due to the increasing maitenance costs and size as soon as possible and HND opening up to day time flights. Once they receive the A350-900s, they'll be able to get the A330-200s off of routes like that are too far for them DTW-PEK/SEA-HKG, restart old routes like DTW-HKG (Like another poster with far more knowledge than I do, I'd bet good money its back within five years. The A350-900 is perfect for that route while the 777-200LR was too much of a gas guzzler.), and start up some new routes like LAX-MEL/SEA-TPE, which I'd bet money on happening within five years as well.

EddieDude wrote:
I suppose that is either because the A339NEOs will not be arriving for a long time (therefore, the announcement will be made later), or because DL sees no need for "suites" for trans-Atlantic service, but only longer haul ops like Asia, SYD, JNB, etc.


I definitely read in DL's press release announcing the A330-900NEO order that they'll not only be operating Trans-Atlantic runs but SEA-Asia as well. Hell, if its true that Airbus does debut the A330-900NEO with a 245 tonne MTOW, it'll have the range to fly SEA-HKG. The A330-900NEO will be a much better aircraft flying the less than 13 hour flights than the A350-900. In regards to the new suites,right now they only needed to announce their debut on the A350-900 and retrofit on the 777-200ER/LR fleet due to the rough week DL had last week. I'm sure we'll hear much more about soft product upgrades, Premium Economy, etc. in the coming months. The Thompson Vantage XL seat, albeit heavily modified by DL, can fit in any aircraft A330 fuselage and wider. Since the 32 A330s finished refitting the 1-2-1 flat beds two years ago, the need to do it say within the next two years is unnecessary. However once the first A330-900NEO shows up, personally I think there is a better chance than not it will come fitted with the suites, albeit an inch or two narrower than the A350-900/777-200ER/LR seat. The 777-200ER/LR D1 cabins are in rough shape with high utilisation and the fact they were the first to receive the 1-2-1 layout. While DL was incredibly quick with the A330 retrofit (took less than a year for the fleet to receive the new interior, excluding the two prototypes) it will probably take more than a year to have the 777-200ER/LR fleet retrofitted as they might be able to do only one maybe two at a time due to the high utilisation they receive, mostly due to the 747-400 retirements.
 
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Re: Delta A350 Routes

Fri Aug 19, 2016 10:08 pm

reltney wrote:
I Delta is going to replace it with a 300 pax plane? How is that going to help.

Easy: what happens to price, when demand stays constant and supply decreases?

Just because they were filling 744s does not in any way mean that they were getting the yield mix that they'd prefer.
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Re: Delta A350 Routes

Fri Aug 19, 2016 10:11 pm

reltney wrote:
I don't understand.

I fly(not ride) the 747 for Delta. We carry 370 pax Dtw to ICN. 370 to PNG. 370 to NRT daily. I fly the planes and cannot get my wife on the trip as a pass rider. Delta is going to replace it with a 300 pax plane? How is that going to help. Now if they replace each 747 with 2 350s or 787s, I can see that as you will now have a frequency, more pax and virtually the same price as a 747.

Then again, The decision was made by the same guys who decided to buy back stock to inflate the price so they can sell their shares. 30 mil this year alone yet nothing towards IT.

Can anyone have an opinion for these seemingly bad business moves.


While DL flies 376 seat 747s on DTW-ICN/PVG, undoubtedly the routes that best fit the 747-400 over the past few years, what do they fly on SEA-ICN/PVG? 211 seat and 208 seat 767s respectively. And what will DL likely place on those routes when the downsize to the A350-900, roughly fifty seats smaller? The standard A330-300 on SEA-ICN, which they did previously, the 242 tonne MTOW A330-300 on SEA-PVG (I still don't know why they aren't flying dedicated routes yet, maybe DL wants to have all ten they ordered as they only have eight of them). Overtime, DL will have more and more passengers connecting in SEA.
 
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Re: Delta A350 Routes

Fri Aug 19, 2016 10:17 pm

reltney wrote:
I don't understand.

I fly(not ride) the 747 for Delta. We carry 370 pax Dtw to ICN. 370 to PNG. 370 to NRT daily. I fly the planes and cannot get my wife on the trip as a pass rider. Delta is going to replace it with a 300 pax plane? How is that going to help. Now if they replace each 747 with 2 350s or 787s, I can see that as you will now have a frequency, more pax and virtually the same price as a 747.

They will spread the capacity between SEA/DTW/LAX. (and probably some JFK/MSP/ATL flights too)

example,
Right now SEA-PVG is a 767, LAX is a 777 and DTW is 744.
If SEA and DTW both go to 359 the capacity will probably be pretty neutral at PVG. DTW will lose ~80 seats but SEA will gain about that.

This is going to be the new US market place. The days of a single gateway with 747s are dead. 787s and A350s will allow DL to have multiple gateways.
 
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Re: Delta A350 Routes

Fri Aug 19, 2016 10:34 pm

deltal1011man wrote:
They will spread the capacity between SEA/DTW/LAX. (and probably some JFK/MSP/ATL flights too) .


I'd love it if DL eventually flies MSP-HND with a A350-900. Would annoy many people on this forum and another forum. By the way, I'd bet on DL being successful on MSP-HND, either with a 777-200ER or A350-900.
 
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Re: Delta A350 Routes

Fri Aug 19, 2016 11:01 pm

More than likely, you will see a partner fly a second daily flight from Detroit to Seoul and Shanghai, Korean and China Eastern would be the logical adds. If not DL could add another flight, should both markets continue to grow. Detroit-Tokyo would do on a 777 while Shanghai, Beijing and Seoul would be an A350 or Beijing goes back to a 777.

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