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AirAsia X: London will be first destination for A330-900neo

Sun Aug 21, 2016 2:35 pm

No big surprise here

AirAsia X chief executive Ben Ismail is waiting on the delivery of the first of 66 new ultra-long-haul Airbus A330-900 neo (new engine option) jetliners from 2018 before announcing details of European services, but told AirlineRatings.com London will be the first destination.


Airport served could either be STN or LGW with LHR even been considered but will depend on which airport offers the most attractive deal

In the long term AirAsia X will look at other European destinations which could include Rome & Frankfurt

http://www.airlineratings.com/news/767/ ... l-be-first
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Sun Aug 21, 2016 2:43 pm

9 abreast to london... fun.
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Sun Aug 21, 2016 2:48 pm

Airport served could either be STN or LGW with LHR


How about all three then pull out altogether after a year.
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Mon Aug 22, 2016 2:23 am

Airasia X seem reluctant to take delivery of their A350-900 orders. Are they not confident of being able to sell more seats? Perhaps the A350-900 is a bit too big and expensive for their liking?

OTOH, it may be a good thing to resume London services with the A330-900 and then upgrade it later to the A350-900 when there is proven demand for the route.
 
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Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:02 am

When D7 first launched the KUL-STN route, the only non-stop player on the KUL-LON route was MH. Now that we have BA in the mix as well I wonder:

1) Who will be hurt more by D7's return, BA or MH?
2) If BA bears the brunt of D7's return, would they end their flights to KUL like AF/LH?
3) If MH bears the brunt of D7's return, will we see the end of MH4/1 & will MH either lease or sell that slot?
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Re: AirAsia X: London will be first destination for A330-900neo

Mon Aug 22, 2016 7:23 am

qf789 wrote:
No big surprise here

AirAsia X chief executive Ben Ismail is waiting on the delivery of the first of 66 new ultra-long-haul Airbus A330-900 neo (new engine option) jetliners from 2018 before announcing details of European services, but told AirlineRatings.com London will be the first destination.


Airport served could either be STN or LGW with LHR even been considered but will depend on which airport offers the most attractive deal

In the long term AirAsia X will look at other European destinations which could include Rome & Frankfurt

http://www.airlineratings.com/news/767/ ... l-be-first


I never realized the A339 even had the range for KUL-LON. A339 design range of 6200NM with 310 pax, just bags, no cargo, is not enough, isn't it? Especially with 9 abreast Y config, D7's A333 seats 377 already, and the IIRC you can cram even more in an A339... How are they going to pull that one off?
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Airasia X seem reluctant to take delivery of their A350-900 orders. Are they not confident of being able to sell more seats? Perhaps the A350-900 is a bit too big and expensive for their liking?

I always thought the A359 was destined for routes to Europe. But things have gone quiet about D7's A359 order since their A339 order. Not sure what will happen with it.
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If MH bears the brunt of D7's return, will we see the end of MH4/1 & will MH either lease or sell that slot?

I'm pretty sure MH will still have a decent market share of people not willing to sit 14 hours on a 16,5" Y seat ;)
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Mon Aug 22, 2016 7:56 am

I imagine it would be LGW, but it's an interesting turn of events. I also think the A339's range is quite limited for a flight this long. The longest A333 flight at present is 4999nm (ZRH-CPT), LHR-KUL is 5729nm. Even with the A339's increased range, that's a real stretch. And in a very dense configuration?

TheFlyingDisk wrote:
When D7 first launched the KUL-STN route, the only non-stop player on the KUL-LON route was MH. Now that we have BA in the mix as well I wonder:

1) Who will be hurt more by D7's return, BA or MH?
2) If BA bears the brunt of D7's return, would they end their flights to KUL like AF/LH?
3) If MH bears the brunt of D7's return, will we see the end of MH4/1 & will MH either lease or sell that slot?


I would wager MH, but both would likely feel it. BA are using 789s and this is an advantage on flights this long. MH will have A359s, so maybe they can erode the cost advantage somewhat, but really we'll have to see.
 
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Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:15 am

Is it non-stop or are they gonna do the IST stopover they were discussing? Also they have A350's on order, why not launch LON with them?
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Tue Aug 23, 2016 8:36 am

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I never realized the A339 even had the range for KUL-LON. A339 design range of 6200NM with 310 pax, just bags, no cargo, is not enough, isn't it? Especially with 9 abreast Y config, D7's A333 seats 377 already, and the IIRC you can cram even more in an A339... How are they going to pull that one off?


Tony Fernandes mentioned London is within reach just with 360 seats, so expect their A330neo's to have less seats than the current A330 fleet.
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Tue Aug 23, 2016 3:34 pm

I'm surprised the usual crowd of ".5 inch critics aren't all over this thread demanding justice from Airbus and AirAsia X for crimes against flying humanity.
 
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Tue Aug 23, 2016 3:56 pm

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I'm surprised the usual crowd of ".5 inch critics aren't all over this thread demanding justice from Airbus and AirAsia X for crimes against flying humanity.


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Tue Aug 23, 2016 4:48 pm

Only poor people want to be packed like sardines into an A330 with a 3-3-3 config. Poor them.
 
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Tue Aug 23, 2016 6:32 pm

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Would you fly on it?


I wouldn't, but many would and will, hence why I don't bitch about it. Just pointing out that the usual critics of the 17.2 inch seat don't seem to appear when we see a 16.9 inch seat.
 
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Tue Aug 23, 2016 6:36 pm

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Only poor people want to be packed like sardines into an A330 with a 3-3-3 config. Poor them.


Or phrased differently, people less fortunte than you who yearn to explore the world or visit a long lost family member and now have a way of accomplishing their dreams. Lucky them.

The whole seat width saga, I never understood it.
 
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Tue Aug 23, 2016 6:46 pm

Everyone these days are spoiled silly. I remember being on 219 seat 707s for 12 hours and we were expected to be ready to work when we got off in the middle of the night. Your IFE was a book. Even 10 across 744s in recent years on 15 hour ORD-HKG was hardly the end of the world. Sure Id much rather be on a 8 seat A330/300 or a 9 seat 777 but for most of the travelling public if the price is right, theyll even stand.
 
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Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:39 pm

wingman wrote:
I'm surprised the usual crowd of ".5 inch critics aren't all over this thread demanding justice from Airbus and AirAsia X for crimes against flying humanity.



Someone seems a bit sore about the seat issue...you are right though, it is shocking that Air Asia a LCC can offer the same seat comfort as QR on the 787. It is a travesty and needs something to be done!
 
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Tue Aug 23, 2016 8:31 pm

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wingman wrote:
I'm surprised the usual crowd of ".5 inch critics aren't all over this thread demanding justice from Airbus and AirAsia X for crimes against flying humanity.


Would you fly on it?

I would ! (I did it before)
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Tue Aug 23, 2016 8:55 pm

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I wouldn't


I wonder why. Usually the argument from the other end on seat widths is that a difference of 0.5 inches is barely noticeable and therefore should be as good as the seat on a 787 3-3-3 Y.

And maybe the critics aren't fazed by this as long as >90% of the full service carriers still go with the wider seat configuration.
 
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Tue Aug 23, 2016 9:01 pm

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Everyone these days are spoiled silly. I remember being on 219 seat 707s for 12 hours and we were expected to be ready to work when we got off in the middle of the night. Your IFE was a book. Even 10 across 744s in recent years on 15 hour ORD-HKG was hardly the end of the world. Sure Id much rather be on a 8 seat A330/300 or a 9 seat 777 but for most of the travelling public if the price is right, theyll even stand.
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Tue Aug 23, 2016 11:14 pm

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Everyone these days are spoiled silly. I remember being on 219 seat 707s for 12 hours and we were expected to be ready to work when we got off in the middle of the night. Your IFE was a book. Even 10 across 744s in recent years on 15 hour ORD-HKG was hardly the end of the world. Sure Id much rather be on a 8 seat A330/300 or a 9 seat 777 but for most of the travelling public if the price is right, theyll even stand.


Yep, and for this and other few reasons this is almost gone nowadays. If people have to accept what the airlines offer without having any other options, then i'm with you but we all know that there's a little thing called competition which makes flying better everyday.
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Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:53 am

wingman wrote:
hayzel777 wrote:
Only poor people want to be packed like sardines into an A330 with a 3-3-3 config. Poor them.


Or phrased differently, people less fortunte than you who yearn to explore the world or visit a long lost family member and now have a way of accomplishing their dreams. Lucky them.

The whole seat width saga, I never understood it.

I have been on many flights with D7 - from their A343s to ORY to their A333s to AKL. Yes, the initial shock of seeing the narrow seats when boarding soon disappears once you find a comfortable seating position. As seat pitch is 32", it is not too difficult for anyone who isn't a 6 footer.

I usually prefer to book a seat in the Quiet Zone - this cabin gives us a more restful flight because kids and babies are not allowed in it.

For me, D7's lower fares enables me to plan more trips in a year. That means it is good for the places that I visit as I would spend a lot more money there than I spend on D7 air fares!
 
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Tue Sep 27, 2016 1:23 pm

AirAsia X is now looking for partnership with European carriers like easyJet and Ryanair to connect passengers from London to KUL.

AirAsia X (D7, Kuala Lumpur Int’l) is looking at potential partners to feed its European routes when it resumes operations to the continent in 2018, following the arrival of its first of 66 ordered A330-900neos. Speaking to Routesonline, Chief Executive Officer (CEO) Benyamin Ismail said both easyJet (U2, London Luton) and Ryanair (FR, Dublin Int’l) are considered as possible options as they are closest to the carrier’s model.

“We are looking at the whole Europe opportunity and how it fits into our network jigsaw. We have succeeded in growing across ASEAN by establishing a presence in many markets, but this is not feasible in parts of Europe where major rivals are already well established. Once we fly back to London, we will look to find a partner that day as setting up an AirAsia (AK, Kuala Lumpur Int’l) in UK would be difficult”, Ismail said.


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Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:00 pm

Not Wizz? I think there a good opportunities in the EU for airlines like airAsia.
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Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:12 pm

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Airasia X seem reluctant to take delivery of their A350-900 orders. Are they not confident of being able to sell more seats? Perhaps the A350-900 is a bit too big and expensive for their liking?

OTOH, it may be a good thing to resume London services with the A330-900 and then upgrade it later to the A350-900 when there is proven demand for the route.


It is probably cheaper to fly a 330-900 KUL - IST - LON than a 350-900 KUL - LON direct. If this works out for them, I can see them never taking the 350s, and operating a simple A320 family cum A330 family fleet going forward.
 
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Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:24 pm

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flee wrote:
Airasia X seem reluctant to take delivery of their A350-900 orders. Are they not confident of being able to sell more seats? Perhaps the A350-900 is a bit too big and expensive for their liking?

OTOH, it may be a good thing to resume London services with the A330-900 and then upgrade it later to the A350-900 when there is proven demand for the route.


It is probably cheaper to fly a 330-900 KUL - IST - LON than a 350-900 KUL - LON direct. If this works out for them, I can see them never taking the 350s, and operating a simple A320 family cum A330 family fleet going forward.

Yes and no. The joker in the pack will be oil prices. If oil prices head back up to the USD 200 level again, the equation shifts in favour of aircraft with greater fuel efficiency.

The A330-300 (and even the A380) seems to excel in 8-9 hour sectors as it can carry more payload instead of fuel. So yields/profitability improves. The A330-900neo should demonstrate similar characteristics.

AirAsia Group has a great relationship with Airbus and they can take the A350s anytime they want them. Alternatively, they can be switched for more A330s.
 
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Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:20 pm

A quick update from the rumour mill - it seems that Airasia X has concluded that the A330-900 will not be able to do the KUL-LGW (or another London airport) non-stop with a full load. It has now apparently agreed to lease two used B777-300ER aircraft for this purpose. No official announcements have been made, so look out for them in the media.
 
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Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:25 pm

Will they be offering their old Premium seat on these flights, or something more up todate?
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Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:48 pm

flee wrote:
A quick update from the rumour mill - it seems that Airasia X has concluded that the A330-900 will not be able to do the KUL-LGW (or another London airport) non-stop with a full load. It has now apparently agreed to lease two used B777-300ER aircraft for this purpose. No official announcements have been made, so look out for them in the media.


That seems like a bit of a bizarre choice considering they have perfectly capable and very efficient aircraft for the route on order with Airbus (i.e. the A350-900s). Maybe they got a lease price on the 777-300ERs which they couldn't refuse, but it's not as if those aircraft are out-of-favor at the moment. Is this another signal that the A359s may not be coming to AirAsia X?
 
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Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:54 pm

The A350-900s won't arrive until 2018/19 at the earliest, leasing a few 777s is a good interim solution.
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Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:16 pm

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The A350-900s won't arrive until 2018/19 at the earliest, leasing a few 777s is a good interim solution.

Air Asia X isn't expecting their A330neos (which they were considering using for the service) to arrive until 2018/19 as well though (2 in 2018, 5 in 2019). It is a little odd, unless Air Asia X deferred the A350s and is now unable to get the original slots back.
 
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Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:19 pm

77Ws? And the talk up thread is of the A359 being too big :D
 
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Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:21 pm

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That seems like a bit of a bizarre choice considering they have perfectly capable and very efficient aircraft for the route on order with Airbus (i.e. the A350-900s). Maybe they got a lease price on the 777-300ERs which they couldn't refuse, but it's not as if those aircraft are out-of-favor at the moment. Is this another signal that the A359s may not be coming to AirAsia X?


They want to resume LON as soon as next year. In the following CAPA analysis published about 2 weeks ago AirAsia X was considering either leasing A359's or 77W's

Malaysia’s AirAsia X is considering the lease of A350s or 777-300ERs in 2017 to accelerate its return to Europe. A new widebody type will add cost and complexity but is necessary if the medium/long haul low cost airline is to meet its objective of relaunching London as soon as possible.

AirAsia X had been planning to wait until it receives A330-900neos before relaunching London and commencing other European routes. However the airline prefers not to wait until 2H2018, when its A330-900neo deliveries are slated to begin, and using another aircraft type in the interim mitigates the impact of a potential delay with the A330neo variant required for Kuala Lumpur-London.


The A359's that were being looked at were the SriLankan A359's

The Sri Lankan government decided in early 2016 to cancel its eight A350 orders as part of a restructuring initiative. Four of these aircraft were initially slated to be delivered in late 2016 and 2017 and are now being remarketed by their owner, the leasing company AerCap.

AirAsia X is willing to take these four A350s – or other A350s which may become available – under the right terms and conditions. The group obviously expects a very competitive lease rate and is also requiring the leasing companies to cover retrofit costs.

AirAsia X requires a tighter economy cabin than did SriLankan – or other full service operators – and a smaller business class cabin.

Leasing companies obviously will not be keen to sign short-term leases, particularly given the retrofit costs involved to meet the AirAsia X requirements. AirAsia X is seeking short-term leases but perhaps could be convinced to commit to a lease of more than just a couple of years.

Leasing A350s for several years would give AirAsia X flexibility should there be delays or performance shortfalls in the A330-900neo programme. AirAsia X expects the A330-900neo to be able to operate nonstop from Kuala Lumpur to London in high-density configuration without any limitations. However, other airlines that have been evaluating the aircraft do not believe the variant of the A330-900 that is required for Kuala Lumpur-London nonstops will be available until at least 2020.


http://centreforaviation.com/analysis/a ... 50s-315231

I would assume that the 77W's would be ex EK birds and would probably seat well over 400 passengers
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Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:23 pm

To announce A330-900neo to London and then to, apparently, say "whoops, the plane won't get there with an economic load" seems more than a little unprofessional if this turns out to be true:
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it seems that Airasia X has concluded that the A330-900 will not be able to do the KUL-LGW (or another London airport) non-stop with a full load.


I find it difficult to believe that Airbus provided the airline with inaccurate data.
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Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:27 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
The A350-900s won't arrive until 2018/19 at the earliest, leasing a few 777s is a good interim solution.


According to the CAPA analysis the A359's wont be delivered until 2021 at the earliest

the 10 A350s the group has on order have repeatedly been delayed – most recently until 2021


http://centreforaviation.com/analysis/a ... 50s-315231
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GCT64 wrote:
To announce A330-900neo to London and then to, apparently, say "whoops, the plane won't get there with an economic load" seems more than a little unprofessional if this turns out to be true:
flee wrote:
it seems that Airasia X has concluded that the A330-900 will not be able to do the KUL-LGW (or another London airport) non-stop with a full load.


I find it difficult to believe that Airbus provided the airline with inaccurate data.

Not inaccurate, just preliminary data subject to change, and does change as more data comes in. Obviously the plane isn't flying yet so they don't have hard numbers, just well educated projections. The thing is the actual numbers get real important when you are talking about pushing an aircraft to near its limit. HA has been facing the same issue on whether the A338 will be able to make it to Europe with an economic load (in their higher than typical seating configuration).
 
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Thu Dec 08, 2016 7:07 pm

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That seems like a bit of a bizarre choice considering they have perfectly capable and very efficient aircraft for the route on order with Airbus (i.e. the A350-900s). Maybe they got a lease price on the 777-300ERs which they couldn't refuse, but it's not as if those aircraft are out-of-favor at the moment. Is this another signal that the A359s may not be coming to AirAsia X?

Perhaps they feel compelled to react earlier to Scoot's impending launch to Europe from 20 June 2017?
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Thu Dec 08, 2016 7:54 pm

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Everyone these days are spoiled silly. I remember being on 219 seat 707s for 12 hours and we were expected to be ready to work when we got off in the middle of the night. Your IFE was a book. Even 10 across 744s in recent years on 15 hour ORD-HKG was hardly the end of the world. Sure Id much rather be on a 8 seat A330/300 or a 9 seat 777 but for most of the travelling public if the price is right, theyll even stand.

trex8.........you've hit the nail on the head. There is some dubious myth that there was a golden age of flight in some deep and distant age. Flying has never been more comfortable, safe and cheap. Kids, just get over 3-3-3 on an A330....you'll survive
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KarelXWB wrote:
The A350-900s won't arrive until 2018/19 at the earliest, leasing a few 777s is a good interim solution.


According to the CAPA analysis the A359's wont be delivered until 2021 at the earliest

the 10 A350s the group has on order have repeatedly been delayed – most recently until 2021


http://centreforaviation.com/analysis/a ... 50s-315231


They may have deferred A350 deliveries when they placed the A330neo order.

Now it turns out the A330 cannot reach Europe, and the early A350 delivery slots are gone.
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Thu Dec 08, 2016 8:16 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
qf789 wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
The A350-900s won't arrive until 2018/19 at the earliest, leasing a few 777s is a good interim solution.


According to the CAPA analysis the A359's wont be delivered until 2021 at the earliest

the 10 A350s the group has on order have repeatedly been delayed – most recently until 2021


http://centreforaviation.com/analysis/a ... 50s-315231


They may have deferred A350 deliveries when they placed the A330neo order.

Now it turns out the A330 cannot reach Europe, and the early A350 delivery slots are gone.


Awkward......

777-300ER in the interim?

More awkward......

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Re: AirAsia X: London will be first destination for A330-900neo

Thu Dec 08, 2016 8:53 pm

AirAsiaX regularly talks about restarting London. But nothing happens. so looks as though it just wants some free publicity.
 
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Re: AirAsia X: London will be first destination for A330-900neo

Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:37 pm

huaiwei wrote:
Perhaps they feel compelled to react earlier to Scoot's impending launch to Europe from 20 June 2017?


I suppose that's possible, but it doesn't seem like a good business decision. The fact is that long-haul flying in cramped accommodations isn't going to be brand-driven; it will be driven by price first & foremost. So there will be little advantage in being the first mover (which is really about driving brand loyalty) if the long-term market reality includes another player with a comparable product and the customer base is extremely price-sensitive. To draw an analogy: is there great value/profit in being the first manufacturer of $100 generic Android phones in India if there are others which will enter the market in short order?

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Not inaccurate, just preliminary data subject to change, and does change as more data comes in. Obviously the plane isn't flying yet so they don't have hard numbers, just well educated projections. The thing is the actual numbers get real important when you are talking about pushing an aircraft to near its limit. HA has been facing the same issue on whether the A338 will be able to make it to Europe with an economic load (in their higher than typical seating configuration).


It would seem unwise to overpromise in terms of aircraft performance/range if the key reason for the customer purchasing the product is meeting those performance & range expectations. I have to believe that HA management isn't so dumb as to have accepted contractual guarantees of aircraft performance which would not meet the intended purpose of enabling HNL-Europe.
 
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Re: AirAsia X: London will be first destination for A330-900neo

Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:22 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
qf789 wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
The A350-900s won't arrive until 2018/19 at the earliest, leasing a few 777s is a good interim solution.


According to the CAPA analysis the A359's wont be delivered until 2021 at the earliest

the 10 A350s the group has on order have repeatedly been delayed – most recently until 2021


http://centreforaviation.com/analysis/a ... 50s-315231


They may have deferred A350 deliveries when they placed the A330neo order.

Now it turns out the A330 cannot reach Europe, and the early A350 delivery slots are gone.


They may not be able to reach London, but there is still plenty of destinations in Europe that they should be able to reach. The problem will be though, are any of these destinations going to be popular enough to operate these flights at a profit ? Only time will tell I suppose.
 
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Re: AirAsia X: London will be first destination for A330-900neo

Fri Dec 09, 2016 1:28 am

qf789 wrote:
I would assume that the 77W's would be ex EK birds and would probably seat well over 400 passengers

My sources indicated that they would be 12 year old, ex-EVA Air aircraft - I suspect that they looked at the ex-Sri Lankan A359s but the lease rates were too high.
 
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Re: AirAsia X: London will be first destination for A330-900neo

Fri Dec 09, 2016 1:36 am

Air Asia X route planning is confusing. How many routes have been started and then suspended?

I think LGW was another case of Air Asia X not doing its proper research on ensuring a route is completely viable. I think announcing London was a quick reaction to their competitor Scoot announcing service to Europe. Scoot has 787s that have the range for Europe. Was Air Asia overestimating the capability of the A330neo or has their been a drop in potential range?
 
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Re: AirAsia X: London will be first destination for A330-900neo

Fri Dec 09, 2016 1:39 am

KarelXWB wrote:
qf789 wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
The A350-900s won't arrive until 2018/19 at the earliest, leasing a few 777s is a good interim solution.

According to the CAPA analysis the A359's wont be delivered until 2021 at the earliest

the 10 A350s the group has on order have repeatedly been delayed – most recently until 2021

http://centreforaviation.com/analysis/a ... 50s-315231

They may have deferred A350 deliveries when they placed the A330neo order.

Now it turns out the A330 cannot reach Europe, and the early A350 delivery slots are gone.

IIRC, the A359s were originally scheduled for 2019 delivery. There were several rumours that the delivery was postponed indefinitely when they ordered the A339s.

If they wanted the A359s now, they have to look for NTU slots - currently, there are none except for those Sri Lankan ones which already belong to AerCap.
 
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Re: AirAsia X: London will be first destination for A330-900neo

Fri Dec 09, 2016 2:01 am

Newbiepilot wrote:
Air Asia X route planning is confusing. How many routes have been started and then suspended?

I think LGW was another case of Air Asia X not doing its proper research on ensuring a route is completely viable.

The KUL-STN route was originally launched in March 2009 and was moved to LGW in October 2011 before flights were suspended in March 2012.

No statistics were issued for the KUL-STN/LGW route but they have mentioned several times that loads were good but yields were low. It did not help that their A343 carried 50 fewer pax than A333s. If it was so easy to forecast the viability of routes, airlines would not have cancel any routes. Unfortunately for LCCs, loss making routes will need to be quickly suspended to stop any further bleeding.

Airasia X probably believes that there is good demand for one-stop LCC travel on the kangaroo route - they are currently doing well on the Malaysia-Australia/NZ routes. Maybe that is why they are taking the risk with the B77W - this aircraft should be able to carry over 400 pax in LCC configuration.
 
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Re: AirAsia X: London will be first destination for A330-900neo

Fri Dec 09, 2016 2:16 am

If Air Asia X was doing well on their Australia and New Zealand routes, why did they pull out of Christchurch and Adelaide? London to Sydney, Auckland and Melbourne had plenty of competition. Any airline can get high loads and low yields. Cheap tickets sell easily, but they also lose money.

They have been talking about London, Hawaii etc for years
http://www.therakyatpost.com/business/2 ... i-flights/
 
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Re: AirAsia X: London will be first destination for A330-900neo

Fri Dec 09, 2016 2:32 am

Newbiepilot wrote:
If Air Asia X was doing well on their Australia and New Zealand routes, why did they pull out of Christchurch and Adelaide? London to Sydney, Auckland and Melbourne had plenty of competition. Any airline can get high loads and low yields. Cheap tickets sell easily, but they also lose money.

They have been talking about London, Hawaii etc for years
http://www.therakyatpost.com/business/2 ... i-flights/

Christchurch was suspended due to the sudden drop in tourists due to the earthquake. Adelaide was suspended at a time when Malaysia Airlines tried to compete by injecting capacity way beyond demand. These events happened some time ago. They are doing well now, based on 2016 numbers that are published on their web site.

As for Hawaii, they are currently still awaiting US regulatory approval - they won't be able to launch it till they get the approvals.

One of the reasons why they are talking so much about London is because there are many people asking them about it on their social media channels. They are responding to these queries. As your link has indicated - London can only be resumed upon the availability of the correct aircraft to operate the route profitably.
 
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Re: AirAsia X: London will be first destination for A330-900neo

Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:41 am

Newbiepilot wrote:
If Air Asia X was doing well on their Australia and New Zealand routes, why did they pull out of Christchurch and Adelaide? London to Sydney, Auckland and Melbourne had plenty of competition. Any airline can get high loads and low yields. Cheap tickets sell easily, but they also lose money.


Due to increased fares AirAsia X booked record profits this year.
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Re: AirAsia X: London will be first destination for A330-900neo

Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:17 am

I do hope to see AirAsia back in the UK, and continental Europe. I like them. And if the price is good I can put up with 9-abreast on a 333. I am no snob sissy, and I am not a big man, and if fares are cheap enough it just gives me the opportunity to visit Asia one more time throughout the year, which is a great bonus to me.
There are much worse things in life than a cheap ticket on a 9-abreast Airbus!

I am a very flexible, transversal, un-biased traveler. I have no issues with LCCs like AirAsia or FR. I am familiar with their product, I know what they offer, I am grateful for the extra availability in terms of sectors and departure points offered, and I appreciate the lower fare.
On the other hand, when I am up to it, and feel I want to treat myself and get pampered, I don't mind forking out more for a J class tkt on a specific long haul sector. It's up to me, and it's nice to have the option of cheap flying, plus extra choice in terms of departure airports and connections at their hub.

Having more choice and thus being able to fly more often is excellent, and competition is good: it stimulates growth on the route by creating a "new" market of people who would not otherwise be flying, or who would be flying a lot less frequently...
In my case, having the ability to choose from a variety of LCCs on more routes actually enables me to save some money where it matters, and enabling me to fly more J class sectors in the end when I really want/need it.

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