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Delta RFID Bag Tags

Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:05 pm

Devil is in the details, but this has real potential to be a game changer. Article also discusses airports that have implemented RFID tags, but how that integrates with the airlines is unclear.

http://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/d ... ly-n635976
 
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Re: Delta RFID Bag Tags

Tue Aug 23, 2016 2:36 am

I don't know what style product Delta is going with, but if it's anything like the Qantas domestic one its brilliant. Easy to use, makes checkin a breeze, checkin on line- straight to an auto bag drop and go and go!! No queues, and I think staff are more relaxed and friendly hosting than behind a counter

I haven't seen many automated bag drops in the US- have I missed them or is this not widely used? QF, NZ, JQ, and VA use it in a limited manner (only QF uses RFID tags though) I love the product, I hate queues and this seems so efficient!
 
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Re: Delta RFID Bag Tags

Tue Aug 23, 2016 3:22 am

smi0006 wrote:
I don't know what style product Delta is going with, but if it's anything like the Qantas domestic one its brilliant.


Doesn't look like they are using the permanent tags that QF uses. From the article:

Baggage handlers will be able to get all the information they need about a bag from a tiny chip placed inside an otherwise unassuming paper luggage tag instead of having to scan each individual barcode by hand.
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Re: Delta RFID Bag Tags

Tue Aug 23, 2016 3:39 am

This has lots of potential. I like it!

On a side note smi0006 is right. The US airlines need a Qantas like domestic product. It's really really really good.
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Re: Delta RFID Bag Tags

Tue Aug 23, 2016 4:38 am

I can't imagine it'll change the passenger experience much, due to having to show ID when checking bags. You'll still up in a line somewhere, somehow.,
 
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Re: Delta RFID Bag Tags

Tue Aug 23, 2016 4:40 am

kabq737 wrote:
This has lots of potential. I like it!

On a side note smi0006 is right. The US airlines need a Qantas like domestic product. It's really really really good.


Forgive my naïveness, but what's so good about the QF RIFD tags, and how exactly does it work?
 
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Re: Delta RFID Bag Tags

Tue Aug 23, 2016 5:29 am

Article states LAS introduced airport-wide RFID in 2012, actually they did so in 2005. In 2012 the system was expanded to newly opened Terminal 3.

Same with Hong Kong. The system was started in 2004 and by 2009, HKG was only using RFID tags.
 
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Re: Delta RFID Bag Tags

Tue Aug 23, 2016 10:56 pm

KTPAFlyer wrote:
Forgive my naïveness, but what's so good about the QF RIFD tags, and how exactly does it work?

It's a permanent tag that you enroll with Qantas. No agent check-in required - just drop it on the belt.

http://www.qantas.com/travel/airlines/q ... /global/en
 
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Re: Delta RFID Bag Tags

Wed Aug 24, 2016 12:17 am

No more bag tag collecting :( :cry:
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Re: Delta RFID Bag Tags

Wed Aug 24, 2016 5:13 am

KTPAFlyer wrote:
kabq737 wrote:
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Forgive my naïveness, but what's so good about the QF RIFD tags, and how exactly does it work?


I was referring not only to their RFID system but to their amazing service in general.

Wish we could get amazing service like that out of ABQ instead of Southwest and Skywest...
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Re: Delta RFID Bag Tags

Wed Aug 24, 2016 7:56 am

AA is developing this product, too. It's in its infant stages so I don't know more than that... The biggest hurdle is getting airports where common use systems are (practically all line stations) many airports are very hesitant to allow the install. Or, don't have the infrastructure to support it :(

I for one, love the idea! reroutes? no biggie, it's automatic. bag missing, auto scans show most likely last location. It's great! I've seen this product in use at another airline at a test city I worked for.. amazing
 
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Re: Delta RFID Bag Tags

Wed Aug 24, 2016 11:27 am

Years ago when I was in the biz (circa 2006), we looked at using RFID tags. There was no ROI so ultimately we backburnered it (and then the economy happened). The key issue for us was that the tags were too expensive at the time. They were only like $0.09 more than the regular barcode tags, but when you have 500,000 tags/day, that expense adds up quickly (with little added benefit). Then, of course, it would cost 10/100s of millions ($) to retrofit all the baggage systems in the network. I knew it would happen eventually as the tag/HW prices decreased.

The RFID system at Vegas has been running since at least 2007 (I believe since ~2005), same with HKG's. I toured both in 2007. In 2007, LAS was paying for the tags because the carriers balked at the added expense. There were some interesting things I saw there. They didn't plan for manual encoder stations, so bags that were not read by the RFID array were just dumped in the corners. This was a major oversight. RFID has a high read rate (over 99%), but there's still bags that won't get read. Not sure what they ever did about that. By comparison the barcode read rate is about 85%. Everything else gets diverted to a manual encoder (human) to either scan the tag manually, or manually input the destination.

One of the cool things RFID would bring is the ability to read many tags at once. So if there were a sensor in the bins, they could alert the rampers that there's a bag that's on the wrong flight, or a PPBM bag that needs to be removed. You could also wave an RFID scanner over a cart of bags and check to make sure they're all the right bags. I'm glad this is finally starting to get mainstream.
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Re: Delta RFID Bag Tags

Wed Aug 24, 2016 2:35 pm

My wife is a runner. The vast majority of running bibs (the paper with the number that is pinned to the shirt) have chips. So, if you have a race with several hundred (or several thousand) runners, your bib starts you clock at the start line and stops your clock at the finish. I think "chipped" bibs have been around for a good 10 years or so.
 
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Re: Delta RFID Bag Tags

Wed Aug 24, 2016 9:06 pm

ckfred wrote:
My wife is a runner. The vast majority of running bibs (the paper with the number that is pinned to the shirt) have chips. So, if you have a race with several hundred (or several thousand) runners, your bib starts you clock at the start line and stops your clock at the finish. I think "chipped" bibs have been around for a good 10 years or so.


I think it all started at the Boston Marathon where a "runner" jumped out of an alley and claimed to have won the race. No one could remember her having run at all and eventually the story fell apart and the win was given to the correct person. RFID would have the ability to continually track the runner.
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Re: Delta RFID Bag Tags

Wed Aug 24, 2016 9:31 pm

smi0006 wrote:
I don't know what style product Delta is going with, but if it's anything like the Qantas domestic one its brilliant. Easy to use, makes checkin a breeze, checkin on line- straight to an auto bag drop and go and go!! No queues, and I think staff are more relaxed and friendly hosting than behind a counter

I haven't seen many automated bag drops in the US- have I missed them or is this not widely used? QF, NZ, JQ, and VA use it in a limited manner (only QF uses RFID tags though) I love the product, I hate queues and this seems so efficient!

This appears to be Delta is changing the world in a halfway manner years after someone else.
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Re: Delta RFID Bag Tags

Wed Aug 24, 2016 10:12 pm

Interesting, if you are in Detroit, the baggage conveyor belts have RFID scanners equipped on each side.
 
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Re: Delta RFID Bag Tags

Wed Oct 26, 2016 7:26 pm

coolian2 wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
I don't know what style product Delta is going with, but if it's anything like the Qantas domestic one its brilliant. Easy to use, makes checkin a breeze, checkin on line- straight to an auto bag drop and go and go!! No queues, and I think staff are more relaxed and friendly hosting than behind a counter

I haven't seen many automated bag drops in the US- have I missed them or is this not widely used? QF, NZ, JQ, and VA use it in a limited manner (only QF uses RFID tags though) I love the product, I hate queues and this seems so efficient!

This appears to be Delta is changing the world in a halfway manner years after someone else.


I don't think this is changing the world in a halfway manner, its the first part of an incremental process. I expect DL's goal is to push RFID further and further into the baggage process, but they have something that they can work with now, so they're putting it out there for PR and to get real world experience.

Does DL want to go for permanent tags? I'm sure they do, but before pissing off those high value customers who would use it, they'd rather just add on RFID to their existing system and make sure they get all the bugs out of it.

I also expect DL is considering airplane mounted readers for RFID versus the baggage loader mounted readers. It'd be a much faster and more consistent way to roll that out to the whole network than equipping all the baggage loaders everywhere.
 
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Re: Delta RFID Bag Tags

Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:23 pm

ALA's are being trained on them now, it helps out on a 3 person ramp crew loading a 739. I would expect baggage snakes to be the next "big" thing.
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