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ANA's upcoming A321's

Mon Aug 29, 2016 8:09 pm

The air routes website have published ANA's intended A321 domestic operation from mid-Nov.
Can't be many airlines that sold all their A321's only to reorder them again years later.
So why did ANA get rid of their original 321's ? Expired leases ?
 
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Re: ANA's upcoming A321's

Mon Aug 29, 2016 9:40 pm

TC957 wrote:
So why did ANA get rid of their original 321's?


They were the original -100 models with low operating weights and poor payload-range performance. While the -200 model was available by the time they phased them out, I imagine their 737NG fleet had filled the role the A321-100 had been original acquired for and therefore the type was now an outlier.
 
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Re: ANA's upcoming A321's

Tue Aug 30, 2016 7:45 am

Yes, true Stitch but I wouldn't have thought low operating weights and naff payload-range performance would be an issue on inter-Japan routes where all flights are less than 2 hrs or so.
I think we will see a lot of domestic 763's go once the 321's come in numbers.
 
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Re: ANA's upcoming A321's

Tue Aug 30, 2016 11:15 am

The short version is that they were IAE-powered. They were probably strong armed into an order for IAE-powered ones instead of CFM, which powered their large A320 fleet back then. So the 7-strong fleet of A321-131s were an orphan. Also back then ANA had its disposal a ton of 763s and stricter number of slots at HND meant that the utility of the A321s were diminished.
Fast forward to 2015, there are a lot less A320s, so engine commonality is diminished but there are a lot less domestic 763s. There is a big seat gap between the 788 which seat 335 pax and A320/B738 which seat around 166. There are also more slots at ANA's disposal and I think having the flexibility of a 200-pax A321 allows upgauging of heavier A320/B738 flights and downgauging the less busier 763 flights.
 
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Re: ANA's upcoming A321's

Tue Aug 30, 2016 11:45 am

TC957 wrote:
The air routes website have published ANA's intended A321 domestic operation from mid-Nov.

When are they due for delivery?

I am checking the planespotter webpages for XFW on a daily basis and so far I haven't seen any ANA A321...
 
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Re: ANA's upcoming A321's

Wed Sep 14, 2016 6:14 pm

The first one, MSN 7346, emerged from final assembly.

Note the radome.

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Re: ANA's upcoming A321's

Wed Sep 14, 2016 11:21 pm

Will they be 220-seat aircraft?
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Re: ANA's upcoming A321's

Thu Sep 15, 2016 6:01 am

Is it likely that NH will transition from the 737's to the A320 family? I could definitely see a further top up order for more A320NEO and A321NEO frames in the future.
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Thu Sep 15, 2016 6:48 am

kriskim wrote:
Is it likely that NH will transition from the 737's to the A320 family? I could definitely see a further top up order for more A320NEO and A321NEO frames in the future.


Could be. They have enough planes on order.
 
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Re: ANA's upcoming A321's

Thu Sep 15, 2016 7:28 am

The radome looks huge, doesn't it?
 
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Re: ANA's upcoming A321's

Thu Sep 15, 2016 7:45 am

CRJ900 wrote:
Will they be 220-seat aircraft?


Given the radome, I have the feeling the cabin will be more premium oriented.

N14AZ wrote:
The radome looks huge, doesn't it?


It looks huge because we are used to see it on widebody jets.
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Re: ANA's upcoming A321's

Fri Sep 16, 2016 8:18 am

CRJ900 wrote:
Will they be 220-seat aircraft?


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Re: ANA's upcoming A321's

Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:45 am

Stitch wrote:
kriskim wrote:
Is it likely that NH will transition from the 737's to the A320 family? I could definitely see a further top up order for more A320NEO and A321NEO frames in the future.


Could be. They have enough planes on order.


They would definitely need to order more if they want to replace the 737 fleet with the A320NEO. 17 of the frames on order are for the replacement of the older A320 and the 737-700.
 
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Re: ANA's upcoming A321's

Mon Sep 26, 2016 2:41 pm

The first A321 now emerged from paint.

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Re: ANA's upcoming A321's

Mon Sep 26, 2016 3:58 pm

Beautiful aircraft!
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Fri Oct 21, 2016 5:55 pm

Now on the runway:

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Re: ANA's upcoming A321's

Fri Oct 21, 2016 5:59 pm

Quite beautiful plane. The A321 is nicely balanced with the ANA livery and from this angle. Thanks for sharing.
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Re: ANA's upcoming A321's

Fri Oct 21, 2016 6:18 pm

It would look really amazing if the engines were painted one if their shades of blue. The engines are just blah.
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Re: ANA's upcoming A321's

Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:23 pm

I'll be out in Japan at the end of this month and early Nov - any delivery date set yet ?
 
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Sat Oct 22, 2016 12:04 am

The bird had its first flight on the 21th.
 
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Re: ANA's upcoming A321's

Sat Oct 22, 2016 12:26 am

This aircraft is really growing on me. It looks very balanced with the winglets and the ANA livery looks absolutely great on the airplane!

It will operate mostly as a domestic workhorse?
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Re: ANA's upcoming A321's

Sat Oct 22, 2016 4:15 am

I don't know about it- now that the world has seen the A321NEO, the CFM56 powered ones just look kinda silly!
I'm curious as to why ANA didn't LEAP for the NEO in the first place (see what I did there?).
The 321neo is close enough to being delivered that surely the additional wait would have been worth it?
 
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Re: ANA's upcoming A321's

Mon Oct 31, 2016 2:35 pm

And delivered!

Airbus A321 -211 7346 JA111A ANA All Nippon delivery 29-30oct16 XGW-DME-HND ex D-AVXU
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Re: ANA's upcoming A321's

Mon Oct 31, 2016 7:37 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
CRJ900 wrote:
Will they be 220-seat aircraft?


Given the radome, I have the feeling the cabin will be more premium oriented.

N14AZ wrote:
The radome looks huge, doesn't it?


It looks huge because we are used to see it on widebody jets.



What you guys are referring to is the SATCOM antenna (cover).
I've never heard them being called radomes, sounds like a misuse of a technical term, as only the nose is called radome on aircraft.

If we call the SATCOM antenna cover a radome, we have to call all the antennas' covers radomes, which is not adequate.
 
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Re: ANA's upcoming A321's

Mon Oct 31, 2016 7:54 pm

Waterbomber wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
CRJ900 wrote:
Will they be 220-seat aircraft?


Given the radome, I have the feeling the cabin will be more premium oriented.

N14AZ wrote:
The radome looks huge, doesn't it?


It looks huge because we are used to see it on widebody jets.



What you guys are referring to is the SATCOM antenna (cover).
I've never heard them being called radomes, sounds like a misuse of a technical term, as only the nose is called radome on aircraft.

If we call the SATCOM antenna cover a radome, we have to call all the antennas' covers radomes, which is not adequate.

Actually, if you follow the term of a radome, KarelXWB and N14AZ are correct and you my dear Waterbomber are incorrect.
Radome: a dome or other structure protecting radar equipment and made from material transparent to radio waves, especially one on the outer surface of an aircraft..
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Re: ANA's upcoming A321's

Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:21 pm

LeCoqFrancais wrote:
Waterbomber wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:

Given the radome, I have the feeling the cabin will be more premium oriented.



It looks huge because we are used to see it on widebody jets.



What you guys are referring to is the SATCOM antenna (cover).
I've never heard them being called radomes, sounds like a misuse of a technical term, as only the nose is called radome on aircraft.

If we call the SATCOM antenna cover a radome, we have to call all the antennas' covers radomes, which is not adequate.

Actually, if you follow the term of a radome, KarelXWB and N14AZ are correct and you my dear Waterbomber are incorrect.
Radome: a dome or other structure protecting radar equipment and made from material transparent to radio waves, especially one on the outer surface of an aircraft..



Note your own definition for a radome is structure protecting radar equipment. This is used for satellite use, not radar.

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