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Vietnamese airlines order 40 Airbus aircraft, VN intends to start nonstop flights to USA.

Tue Sep 06, 2016 4:42 am

Although in the order thread, I think this merits its own thread.

Vietnam Airlines (VN), Vietjet Air (VJ) and Jetstar Pacific (BL) have ordered a total of 40 Airbus aircraft. VJ have ordered 20 A321s which isn't a surprise, BL will get 10 A320s, although it's not stated whether they're CEOs or NEOs yet. Most interestingly though there are 10 extra A350s for VN. The A350 order brings their total up to 24, and when added to the 19 789s VN will have it means a quite hefty long-haul expansion in the next few years. VJ's expansion is even more dramatic, they'll have well over 100 A32Xs and 737s.

http://business.asiaone.com/news/vietna ... eal-airbus

Edit: VN's A350 order is an MOU, and they intend to use them to start nonstop flights to the USA:

“With its very long range capability, economic fuel consumption and spacious cabin, the A350 is the suitable aircraft for our proposed intercontinental routes to Europe and the US. The start of non-stop transpacific services with the A350 is yet another example of the commitment we have at Vietnam Airlines to strengthen our position as one of the world’s leading international carriers.”

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... 35-429057/
 
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Do they need to use the A350 ULR for non-stop flights to the US, or can they simply use a higher weight model?

Interesting move. Boeing last year pitched the 777-8 to VN, clearly the carrier believes the A350 can to the job as well.
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Tue Sep 06, 2016 6:16 am

SGN and HAN to USA are a fair bit shorter than SIN to USA, so given that SQ is starting SIN-SFO nonstop (7339nm) using standard variants it seems like the ULR isn't necessary, SGN-LAX (the furthest combination of Vietnam to West Coast) is 7098nm, SFO and SEA are closer, and HAN-West coast is even shorter. HAN and JFK are also closer together than SIN and SFO. But a ULR variant could make lifting cargo more viable on these routes. So there's a fair amount of realistic routes, the question is demand and yield rather than distance.
 
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MrHMSH wrote:
BL will get 10 A320s, although it's not stated whether they're CEOs or NEOs yet


BL has been trying to source A320 CEO's off of the leasing market. It's been stated that they are not interested in any of the 99 NEO's QF have on order due to the higher cost of these aircraft so you're not likely to see the NEO at BL for the time being.
 
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KarelXWB wrote:
Interesting move. Boeing last year pitched the 777-8 to VN, clearly the carrier believes the A350 can to the job as well.


That is indeed interesting about that part of the order/MoU. Nice increase for aviation in Vietnam. :)
 
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I wonder where they are going to put all the aircraft / pax at SGN. I was there last week and it feels like it is running close to capacity (a web search suggests it is running over-capacity but we all know that airports always manage to cram extra traffic in versus the design limits).
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Interesting that now VN has experience of both the B789 and the A359 that they see the 359 as the way to go for long-haul expansion. Airbus must be pretty pleased, Boeing not.
 
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I wonder where they are going to put all the aircraft / pax at SGN. I was there last week and it feels like it is running close to capacity (a web search suggests it is running over-capacity but we all know that airports always manage to cram extra traffic in versus the design limits).


I'll be able to back you up next week! I guess an option could be to centre expansion at HAN? Maybe not as big in terms of population and economy, but HAN seems to have more room for expansion, it was quite empty when I arrived and I don't think I've ever seen it really full.
 
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How about the new Long Thanh airport, wasn't that one supposed to be ready before the end of the decade?
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MrHMSH wrote:
SGN and HAN to USA are a fair bit shorter than SIN to USA, so given that SQ is starting SIN-SFO nonstop (7339nm) using standard variants it seems like the ULR isn't necessary, SGN-LAX (the furthest combination of Vietnam to West Coast) is 7098nm, SFO and SEA are closer, and HAN-West coast is even shorter. HAN and JFK are also closer together than SIN and SFO.

If it's a nonstop to the USA, thinking 99% chance it's going to be SGN (where the overwhelming majority of the diaspora originated) and not HAN.



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But a ULR variant could make lifting cargo more viable on these routes.

No it couldn't. Same MTOW, lower MZFW.

That's the A359ULR's "weakness".... a standard A359 (of similar vintage) will outlift it on essentially any route that it (the standard) has the fuel capacity to fly.
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Same MTOW, lower MZFW.


The ULR variant comes with a higher MTOW of 280t. Current models are 268, 273 and 275 tonne.
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MrHMSH wrote:
SGN and HAN to USA are a fair bit shorter than SIN to USA, so given that SQ is starting SIN-SFO nonstop (7339nm) using standard variants it seems like the ULR isn't necessary, SGN-LAX (the furthest combination of Vietnam to West Coast) is 7098nm, SFO and SEA are closer, and HAN-West coast is even shorter. HAN and JFK are also closer together than SIN and SFO.

If it's a nonstop to the USA, thinking 99% chance it's going to be SGN (where the overwhelming majority of the diaspora originated) and not HAN.

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But a ULR variant could make lifting cargo more viable on these routes.

No it couldn't. Same MTOW, lower MZFW.

That's the A359ULR's "weakness".... a standard A359 (of similar vintage) will outlift it on essentially any route that it (the standard) has the fuel capacity to fly.


The regular A359's ability to lift cargo drops off at around 5500nm (I've forgotten the technical terms for this), so beyond that surely the ULR has an advantage, because its own ability would drop off slightly at higher ranges? Maybe I'm just not educated enough on the issue, but if it really were the case that the A359 outlifted the ULR on every route it could operate then there's little reason to offer the ULR at all. I can see your point if the routes were less than 5500nm or around that, but SGN-SEA (one of the shorter potential flights) is still 6450nm.
 
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The ULR variant comes with a higher MTOW of 280t. Current models are 268, 273 and 275 tonne.

That's why I specifically said "similar vintage"... by the time the A359ULR is in operation, the standard A359 will also have the 280T option.
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Per Airbus latest press release, the first route will be SGN-LAX. That's a 7,100 nm leg.

http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/press ... a350-xwbs/

Vietnam Airlines has signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) with Airbus for 10 more A350-900 aircraft. The aircraft will be used by the airline on non-stop flights to the US, beginning with services between Ho Chi Minh City and Los Angeles.
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by the time the A359ULR is in operation, the standard A359 will also have the 280T option.


Actually the ULR is due to enter service in 2018 while the 280t option won't become the baseline until 2020.

VN currently operates the 268t A350-900. If they take the ULR model, they will be able to lift an additional 12t payload.
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the first route will be SGN-LAX

Awesome!

Makes perfect sense... largest population, and most defectors/diaspora and their descendants came here from Saigon/South Vietnam. So no real surprise. Great to see! Hope they finally do it.


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VN currently operates the 268t A350-900. If they take the ULR model, they will be able to lift an additional 12t payload.

Would be shocked if the standard isn't upgradeable to that weight (or close to it) with a software + gear/brake modification, even prior.
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Are the A350's the new HGW variant to come from 2020 or the same as the current ones?

This is an MOU guys. A lot more to done here in terms of specifics. Vietnam Airlines signed a similar MOU with Boeing when the President was in DC last year. Until these appear on the books, take it with a grain of salt...
 
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Do they need to use the A350 ULR for non-stop flights to the US, or can they simply use a higher weight model?

Interesting move. Boeing last year pitched the 777-8 to VN, clearly the carrier believes the A350 can to the job as well.


Right from the announcement of the LoI for the 777-8, I believed the longer ranged A359 was the better option for VN. Adding another long haul type doesn't seem very sensible for a relatively small airline like VN. I'm glad they realize this as well.
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Interesting that now VN has experience of both the B789 and the A359 that they see the 359 as the way to go for long-haul expansion. Airbus must be pretty pleased, Boeing not.


The 787-10 was also part of the LoI, together with the 777-8. Can't see the latter one figuring in VN's plans any more, but the 787-10 surely still makes sense as medium haul aircraft for VN.
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Their first US destination will obviously be LAX. Almost every Asian airline begins US operations with LAX. If that does well, I could see them expanding to SFO.
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Per Airbus latest press release, the first route will be SGN-LAX. That's a 7,100 nm leg.

http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/press ... a350-xwbs/

Vietnam Airlines has signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) with Airbus for 10 more A350-900 aircraft. The aircraft will be used by the airline on non-stop flights to the US, beginning with services between Ho Chi Minh City and Los Angeles.


Good for Skyteam, gives them a leg up on west coast to Vietnam non-stop service over the other two alliances. Plus, they already have a pretty decent business class cabin on the brand new 787's, 1-2-1 layout with flatbed seating
 
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But a ULR variant could make lifting cargo more viable on these routes.

No it couldn't. Same MTOW, lower MZFW.

That's the A359ULR's "weakness".... a standard A359 (of similar vintage) will outlift it on essentially any route that it (the standard) has the fuel capacity to fly.


I too was surprised to find out in the recent ULR thread that the MTOW was essentially the same. Yes 5t more for the ULR but that will mostly be taken up by the extra fuel and mods required to carry that extra fuel.

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Maybe I'm just not educated enough on the issue, but if it really were the case that the A359 outlifted the ULR on every route it could operate then there's little reason to offer the ULR at all.

Which is why no one is buying it. There are very few airlines who want to operate a ULR airplane with a very low density seating configuration and little cargo carrying capability. SQ is the only one so far (AFAIK).
 
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The Airbus press release suggests 305 pax to U.S west coast.... This would suggest VN will get the 280t variant which becomes standard from 2020.
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We don't know the delivery schedule for these 10 new A350s. If they start delivering in 2018/19, it won't be the 280t model.
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Would YUL be in the range? There are many Vietnamese living here.
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Vietnam Airlines signed a similar MOU with Boeing when the President was in DC last year.


From the original press release:

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/custom ... liner.page

At the event, the two companies also signed a memorandum of collaboration toward the goal of Vietnam Airlines' fleet replacement and expansion. Boeing has offered the airline eight 787-10 Dreamliners and eight 777-8Xs, which the airline acknowledged. Boeing and Vietnam Airlines will work together and report to government authorities before coming to official cooperation agreements in the future.


There was no MoU, just a "memorandum of collaboration" (whatever that means), and Boeing made VN an offer for a few 787-10 and 777-8 aircraft. The A350 deal seems more advanced as it is more than just a product offering from Airbus.
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The 787-10 was also part of the LoI, together with the 777-8. Can't see the latter one figuring in VN's plans any more, but the 787-10 surely still makes sense as medium haul aircraft for VN.


Actually VN already agreed to lease 8 787-10 aircraft from ALC.

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KarelXWB wrote:
Per Airbus latest press release, the first route will be SGN-LAX. That's a 7,100 nm leg.

http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/press ... a350-xwbs/

Vietnam Airlines has signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) with Airbus for 10 more A350-900 aircraft. The aircraft will be used by the airline on non-stop flights to the US, beginning with services between Ho Chi Minh City and Los Angeles.


Good for Skyteam, gives them a leg up on west coast to Vietnam non-stop service over the other two alliances. Plus, they already have a pretty decent business class cabin on the brand new 787's, 1-2-1 layout with flatbed seating


You can bet top dollar that the interest for Star or oneworld to jump into that market is low at best, near zero at worst. UA has the right hub (SFO) and the right plane (789) to launch SFO-SGN/HAN if they really wanted it and beating VN to the punch, but there's still zero rumor they're even casually considering it at all.

UA's JV partner, ANA, flies HND-HAN and NRT-SGN, so there's plenty of JV'ed route performance data to share with UA regarding whether either route merits a nonstop.
 
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Another thing that is being overlooked in this thread, Vietnam will first have to achieve Category 1 rating by the FAA.
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Didn't they order a bunch of a380s that never so the light of day? Is this order to avoid penalties?
 
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VN signed an MoU for 4 A380s back in 2009. They subsequently dropped those plans and let the MoU expire in 2013.
 
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Very glad to see that this has finally started to unfold. It will be VERY nice to not have more than one connection for us to get to SGN anymore. Usually we have to go STL/SFO/ICN/SGN or even add DEN into that mix! STL-LAX-SGN will be great!!!
 
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Any chance for SEA? As DL is a skyTeam partner and might help position SEA as an Asia hub.
 
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It's about time. SGN-SFO/LAX are long overdue, although the routes would be overwhelmingly VFR (i.e. low yield), and will face fierce price competition from CX, CI, BR, KE, OZ, JL and NH. VN's lower cost structure should be able to make it work. And may be even SGN-YYZ/YUL would be in the cards as those two are obvious VFR opportunities for SGN too.
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So lets wait and see what they will do with their MoU's. Difference between A and B MoU is that A359 is already in their fleet, but of course they have 77E in their fleet. So type is not totally unknown.
 
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It's about time. SGN-SFO/LAX are long overdue, although the routes would be overwhelmingly VFR (i.e. low yield), and will face fierce price competition from CX, CI, BR, KE, OZ, JL and NH. VN's lower cost structure should be able to make it work. And may be even SGN-YYZ/YUL would be in the cards as those two are obvious VFR opportunities for SGN too.


A lot like PR MNL-SFO/LAX but longer. Will be interesting to see this develop.
 
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Problem is the Vietnamese diaspora people don't like to fly VN. They much prefer BR and CI. Same thing for the Filipinos who go for CX or the ME3 over PR. Direct flight doesn't make it much attractive because the flight is so long that 1-2 hour connecting time is no big deal.
 
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Great to see Vietnam Airlines planning service to LAX. Well overdue and not surprising. Wish them luck,
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I know from a friend at YYZ management that they are doing everything they can to land VN. Market is roughly 100,000 pax annually according to their studies.
 
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Problem is the Vietnamese diaspora people don't like to fly VN. They much prefer BR and CI. Same thing for the Filipinos who go for CX or the ME3 over PR. Direct flight doesn't make it much attractive because the flight is so long that 1-2 hour connecting time is no big deal.

And still, PR can profitably sustain 10 weekly (and starting this winter, double daily) 77W on MNL-LAX. I agree with you that CX/BR/CI/KE/OZ/NH/JL are very popular with Filipinos, but roughly 50% of the market still use the nonstop service on PR.

I'm sure that a daily A350 on SGN-LAX can be sustained by VN...
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Good for Skyteam, gives them a leg up on west coast to Vietnam non-stop service over the other two alliances. Plus, they already have a pretty decent business class cabin on the brand new 787's, 1-2-1 layout with flatbed seating


You can bet top dollar that the interest for Star or oneworld to jump into that market is low at best, near zero at worst. UA has the right hub (SFO) and the right plane (789) to launch SFO-SGN/HAN if they really wanted it and beating VN to the punch, but there's still zero rumor they're even casually considering it at all.

UA's JV partner, ANA, flies HND-HAN and NRT-SGN, so there's plenty of JV'ed route performance data to share with UA regarding whether either route merits a nonstop.[/quote]

I bet there will be a fair amount of folks that might opt to fly down to LAX to take the Vietnam non stop as opposed to flying SFO - HND/NRT on United. Sure, you might be going a few hours out of your way but I bet there are plenty of Vietnamese who feel loyal enough to their hometown airline that they will do just that, plus price could make a big difference as well.
 
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Sure, you might be going a few hours out of your way but I bet there are plenty of Vietnamese who feel loyal enough to their hometown airline that they will do just that, plus price could make a big difference as well.

People hopping on the nonstop vs. connecting because of "price" is not something you want for a 8000+ mi route.
 
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Good for Skyteam, gives them a leg up on west coast to Vietnam non-stop service over the other two alliances. Plus, they already have a pretty decent business class cabin on the brand new 787's, 1-2-1 layout with flatbed seating


You can bet top dollar that the interest for Star or oneworld to jump into that market is low at best, near zero at worst. UA has the right hub (SFO) and the right plane (789) to launch SFO-SGN/HAN if they really wanted it and beating VN to the punch, but there's still zero rumor they're even casually considering it at all.

UA's JV partner, ANA, flies HND-HAN and NRT-SGN, so there's plenty of JV'ed route performance data to share with UA regarding whether either route merits a nonstop.


I bet there will be a fair amount of folks that might opt to fly down to LAX to take the Vietnam non stop as opposed to flying SFO - HND/NRT on United. Sure, you might be going a few hours out of your way but I bet there are plenty of Vietnamese who feel loyal enough to their hometown airline that they will do just that, plus price could make a big difference as well.[/quote]

No I never suggested VN can't fill their planes, but correcting your implication that star and oneworld are missing some major golden goose while VN will be laughing all the way to the bank.

At nearly 8200mi, UA will be very glad to hand over those VFR folks to VN. Similar to how UA doesn't bother to come with up a response against PAL to MNL.
 
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Re: Vietnamese airlines order 40 Airbus aircraft, VN intends to start nonstop flights to USA.

Wed Sep 07, 2016 3:02 am

jumbojet wrote:
Sure, you might be going a few hours out of your way but I bet there are plenty of Vietnamese who feel loyal enough to their hometown airline that they will do just that, plus price could make a big difference as well.


Someone probably missed school the day history class was about the brutal communist regime of Vietnam. People didn't just flee because they didn't like the weather. People were tortured and killed and robbed of everything they owned.
 
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Re: Vietnamese airlines order 40 Airbus aircraft, VN intends to start nonstop flights to USA.

Wed Sep 07, 2016 4:20 am

Does this mean they prefer the A350?
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Re: Vietnamese airlines order 40 Airbus aircraft, VN intends to start nonstop flights to USA.

Wed Sep 07, 2016 5:01 am

KarelXWB wrote:
We don't know the delivery schedule for these 10 new A350s. If they start delivering in 2018/19, it won't be the 280t model.

True, though it'd would be borderline shocking if A350s produced in that time frame wouldn't eventually be upgradeable to that MTOW.



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Another thing that is being overlooked in this thread, Vietnam will first have to achieve Category 1 rating by the FAA.

Which is the worrisome part.

The last time they bought aircraft specifically intended to allow US operations (leasing 656,000lb GE90 powered 77Es, on top of their purchased 648,000lb PW4000 77Es), it was predicated on receiving Category1 status which never came, and those aircraft ended up opping primarily to CDG.

Here's hoping for no repeat.
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Re: Vietnamese airlines order 40 Airbus aircraft, VN intends to start nonstop flights to USA.

Wed Sep 07, 2016 5:07 am

jumbojet wrote:
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Plus, they already have a pretty decent business class cabin on the brand new 787's, 1-2-1 layout with flatbed seating


I did a trip report comparing the 2 planes some time ago (unfortunately all pictures have disappeared in the forum software change).

Vietnam Airlines LHR-SGN (B787) And SGN-CDG (A350)

My opinion is that the 350 cabin is slightly better than the 787, thanks to the wider cabin width.
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Re: Vietnamese airlines order 40 Airbus aircraft, VN intends to start nonstop flights to USA.

Wed Sep 07, 2016 5:47 am

VCEflyboy wrote:
Problem is the Vietnamese diaspora people don't like to fly VN. They much prefer BR and CI. Same thing for the Filipinos who go for CX or the ME3 over PR. Direct flight doesn't make it much attractive because the flight is so long that 1-2 hour connecting time is no big deal.


You might be generalizing too much there. I do agree that some might still have some feeling towards what had happened in the past but the Vietnamese VFR market is still largely price sensitive and also about convenience.

In Australia atleast VN seems to do just fine out of MEL and SYD, they currently operate daily out of both and will fly the 787's by December. The fares during peak periods especially during Tet period is sort of outrageous even 6 months out. Many prefer the convienence of a non-stop flight especially those that are elderly or traveling with them. There's really no consensus that the carrier is one that brought them harm etc...
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Wed Sep 07, 2016 5:59 am

kriskim wrote:
In Australia atleast VN seems to do just fine out of MEL and SYD, they currently operate daily out of both and will fly the 787's by December. The fares during peak periods especially during Tet period is sort of outrageous even 6 months out. Many prefer the convienence of a non-stop flight especially those that are elderly or traveling with them. There's really no consensus that the carrier is one that brought them harm etc...


Lets not also forget that out of Australia VN has the advantage of having QF codeshare on it which gives them effective access to the QF Frequent Flyer base. So between QF and VN they can keep those planes pretty full!
 
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Re: Vietnamese airlines order 40 Airbus aircraft, VN intends to start nonstop flights to USA.

Wed Sep 07, 2016 5:59 am

GCT64 wrote:
I wonder where they are going to put all the aircraft / pax at SGN. I was there last week and it feels like it is running close to capacity (a web search suggests it is running over-capacity but we all know that airports always manage to cram extra traffic in versus the design limits).


Yeah - things are getting tight and delays cascade pretty seriously when weather kicks in at SGN. The airport has just been given another 21 hectares from the military to build a new terminal and apron area. (http://english.vietnamnet.vn/fms/societ ... -50m-.html)

Long Thanh keeps being talked about, but it is still 8 years away from its first stage and 15 from being able to take the bulk of traffic from SGN, therefore they are still developing/expanding SGN. The government is close to signing off a new elevated road from the airport towards the centre of town.

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