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Tue Sep 06, 2016 6:26 am

London City Flights Delayed After Runway Protest

Flights at London City Airport have been delayed after protesters swam across the dock and "occupied" the runway.

Flights to Zurich, Geneva, Guernsey and Zurich have been cancelled, while flights which were due to arrive at the airport from Rotterdam, Luxembourg, New York and Frankfurt have all been diverted.

In a statement London City said: "We're currently experiencing disruption to all flights due to protesters at the airport.

http://news.sky.com/story/london-city-f ... t-10566897
 
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Tue Sep 06, 2016 6:58 am

2 hours later and the airport is still closed, have these people chained themselves to the runway some how, crazy.
 
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Tue Sep 06, 2016 7:19 am

LCY not as busy as usual due to the BA power cut !
 
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Tue Sep 06, 2016 7:20 am

Black lives matter protest apparently !


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Tue Sep 06, 2016 7:26 am

Yankee nonsense.
 
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Tue Sep 06, 2016 8:06 am

Apparently BLM are protesting the environment's effects on black people. I'm really not sure how to respond to that! Is the environment itself racist now? Because it really affects everyone. And in the UK, really? We may not be sugar-coated and rainbow-coloured but I don't think BLM is really relevant in the UK. Seems more like a bandwagoning trend rather than a genuine movement.
 
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Tue Sep 06, 2016 8:31 am

winterlight wrote:
Yankee nonsense.

The UK has never seen human rights protesters, that is only an American thing! Thank you for always adding so much intelligent conversation.
 
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Tue Sep 06, 2016 8:33 am

Are there more loose laws regarding unauthorized people entering areas of the airport where passing through security is necessary then there are in the US? I would imagine if this happened in the US, they would have rounded up these misguided souls relatively quickly.
 
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Tue Sep 06, 2016 8:59 am

If they protest about BLM, why do it at an airport. I'm all about the protests, but only when they're peaceful and logical. And why would they do that? Just what is the logic of going into an airport to protest about racism?
 
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Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:14 am

Sounds like an opportunity for a couple of Wart Hogs to get some target practice in!
 
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Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:22 am

OA940 wrote:
If they protest about BLM, why do it at an airport. I'm all about the protests, but only when they're peaceful and logical. And why would they do that? Just what is the logic of going into an airport to protest about racism?


BLM has a history of doing these kinds of protests. In the San Francisco Bay Area, a group of protesters chained themselves to two BART trains on both sides of a platform, blocking all trains from going in and out of San Francisco. They essentially shut down the whole metro system for hours, inconveniencing hundreds of thousands of passengers.

Whether these acts are noble displays of civil disobedience or tone deaf disruptions is certainly up for debate. I can really see it both ways.
 
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Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:25 am

b747400erf wrote:
winterlight wrote:
Yankee nonsense.

The UK has never seen human rights protesters, that is only an American thing! Thank you for always adding so much intelligent conversation.


Hard to take human rights protesters seriously when they're protesting something that's largely not a problem in the country they're in, and disrupting something completely unrelated to their cause. What do airports have to do with Black lives in the UK? How does the environment affect black people more than anyone else?
 
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Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:34 am

MrHMSH wrote:
b747400erf wrote:
Hard to take human rights protesters seriously when they're protesting something that's largely not a problem in the country they're in, and disrupting something completely unrelated to their cause. What do airports have to do with Black lives in the UK? How does the environment affect black people more than anyone else?


Black people live in the UK too, and they are also marginalized compared to white British citizens. I was unaware that BLM had crossed over to the UK, but there's certainly a disparity that needs to be addressed:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... al-justice
...In 2014 black people made up 10% of the total prison population, while making up 3.5% of the UK’s total population, according to the Equality and Human Rights Commission. There is a greater disparity between the proportion of black people in prison and in the general population than there is in the US....


As for targeting airports and places of transportation, the BLM protestors say the demonstrations aren't because these are places that disproportionately affect black people, but that the disruption of peoples' everyday lives (especially the kind of clientele who use LCY) is an important, non-violent method to bring attention to injustices against the black population.
 
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Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:39 am

Also it is good for them to have photos taken with British Armed officers and the best place for those photos is at a airport.

Maybe Boris water cannons should be based at airports. I am sorry but if you breach security no matter if you are white, black, yellow or green the police should take action to protect the security zone.
 
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Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:56 am

The departure board is showing a BA Amsterdam flight est to depart at 11.00, perhaps they have the runway clear now.
 
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Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:04 am

intotheair wrote:
MrHMSH wrote:
b747400erf wrote:
Hard to take human rights protesters seriously when they're protesting something that's largely not a problem in the country they're in, and disrupting something completely unrelated to their cause. What do airports have to do with Black lives in the UK? How does the environment affect black people more than anyone else?


Black people live in the UK too, and they are also marginalized compared to white British citizens. I was unaware that BLM had crossed over to the UK, but there's certainly a disparity that needs to be addressed:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... al-justice
...In 2014 black people made up 10% of the total prison population, while making up 3.5% of the UK’s total population, according to the Equality and Human Rights Commission. There is a greater disparity between the proportion of black people in prison and in the general population than there is in the US....


As for targeting airports and places of transportation, the BLM protestors say the demonstrations aren't because these are places that disproportionately affect black people, but that the disruption of peoples' everyday lives (especially the kind of clientele who use LCY) is an important, non-violent method to bring attention to injustices against the black population.


Yes, black people in the UK have on average a lower socio-economic status, but this is true about pretty much any predominantly immigrant group in any country. The UK has equal opportunities, and the high proportion of black people in prison is because these people have committed crimes, not because there is any bias in our legal system.

In the UK, there are no boundaries separating ethnicities, anyone can get a good education and anyone can live a comfortable life if they put the effort in.

Personally, I am more than happy for these protesters to voice their concerns, providing that they do not disrupt thousands of people in the process. It is also counter productive because when people read about BLM shutting down motorways and airports they lose sympathy with their cause.

I for one have totally lost sympathy with this group, the Heathrow protest resulted in tens of thousands of people missing their flights, many of them families going on holiday.
 
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Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:19 am

What utter nonsense gets an airing on this sight. These protesters for no good reason are costing the country money which the hard working people of this country can ill afford. These protesters would never consider that perhaps instead of causing mayhem ( this is by no means the first incident ) they should look into the lives of the type of people that use LCY & strive in some small way to emulate the work ethic they possess. There may have been many important meetings / deals lost today forever costing business millions for all we know & WTF for! All creeds will be detrimentally affected by such incidents, & just as our authorities come down hard on acts of racism, so the same should be applied to people who cause this trouble.
 
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Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:39 am

Sky News are reporting that in a statement Black Lives Matter UK said that activists are carrying out the demonstration "in order to highlight the UK's environmental impact on the lives of black people". Apparently, the average salary of a London City Airport user is €136k (£114k, $152k) while 40% of newham's population are at €24k (£20k, $27k) or less.

These are figures by Black Lives Matter UK, so the numbers could be quite far from the truth.

Do any airports release the average salary of their passengers? I'm sure it would be very interesting!
 
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Tue Sep 06, 2016 11:10 am

Seems a little less serious than in the USA. I guess George Soros had some spare change for this.

"In Britain, 28% of black people are more likely to be exposed to air pollution... being in closest proximity to the industries causing climate change."

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-37283869
 
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Tue Sep 06, 2016 12:20 pm

b747400erf wrote:
winterlight wrote:
Yankee nonsense.

The UK has never seen human rights protesters, that is only an American thing! Thank you for always adding so much intelligent conversation.


Human rights? What a load of crock... if further proof was needed that BLM was just about grandstanding (basically, the new Occupy Wall Street), then protesting an airport as racist because somehow pollution has a disproportionate impact on black people is it.
 
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Tue Sep 06, 2016 12:40 pm

Runway open now, flights landing.
 
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Tue Sep 06, 2016 2:42 pm

It would have been fitting if the authorities had simply used water cannons and squirted the protesters right back into the waters they came from.
 
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Tue Sep 06, 2016 2:51 pm

Tedd wrote:
What utter nonsense gets an airing on this sight. These protesters for no good reason are costing the country money which the hard working people of this country can ill afford. These protesters would never consider that perhaps instead of causing mayhem ( this is by no means the first incident ) they should look into the lives of the type of people that use LCY & strive in some small way to emulate the work ethic they possess. There may have been many important meetings / deals lost today forever costing business millions for all we know & WTF for! All creeds will be detrimentally affected by such incidents, & just as our authorities come down hard on acts of racism, so the same should be applied to people who cause this trouble.


Yep, we should all strive to be robber barons ! But who would be our servants, then ?
 
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Aesma wrote:
Tedd wrote:
What utter nonsense gets an airing on this sight. These protesters for no good reason are costing the country money which the hard working people of this country can ill afford. These protesters would never consider that perhaps instead of causing mayhem ( this is by no means the first incident ) they should look into the lives of the type of people that use LCY & strive in some small way to emulate the work ethic they possess. There may have been many important meetings / deals lost today forever costing business millions for all we know & WTF for! All creeds will be detrimentally affected by such incidents, & just as our authorities come down hard on acts of racism, so the same should be applied to people who cause this trouble.


Yep, we should all strive to be robber barons ! But who would be our servants, then ?
Pyrex wrote:
b747400erf wrote:
winterlight wrote:
Yankee nonsense.

The UK has never seen human rights protesters, that is only an American thing! Thank you for always adding so much intelligent conversation.


Human rights? What a load of crock... if further proof was needed that BLM was just about grandstanding (basically, the new Occupy Wall Street), then protesting an airport as racist because somehow pollution has a disproportionate impact on black people is it.

I *think* the Occupy people were at least legit hippie protesters, BLM uses paid protesters which begins the follow the money parade.

Here's a fun article where BLM paid protesters were stiffed in 2015 and protested their own offices demanding the money they were owed for protesting.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... -cutthech/
 
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Here's another fun one. A union paid people to protest McDonalds for their lack of unions and sub-$15/hour wages, but the union itself is fighting their own protesters demands to form a protesters union and be paid at least $15/hour to continue protesting McDonalds.
 
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Tue Sep 06, 2016 4:45 pm

intotheair wrote:
MrHMSH wrote:
b747400erf wrote:
Hard to take human rights protesters seriously when they're protesting something that's largely not a problem in the country they're in, and disrupting something completely unrelated to their cause. What do airports have to do with Black lives in the UK? How does the environment affect black people more than anyone else?


Black people live in the UK too, and they are also marginalized compared to white British citizens. I was unaware that BLM had crossed over to the UK, but there's certainly a disparity that needs to be addressed:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... al-justice
...In 2014 black people made up 10% of the total prison population, while making up 3.5% of the UK’s total population, according to the Equality and Human Rights Commission. There is a greater disparity between the proportion of black people in prison and in the general population than there is in the US....


As for targeting airports and places of transportation, the BLM protestors say the demonstrations aren't because these are places that disproportionately affect black people, but that the disruption of peoples' everyday lives (especially the kind of clientele who use LCY) is an important, non-violent method to bring attention to injustices against the black population.


Black Lives Matter is a movement against the killing of black people by the police. In the UK we get hardly anyone shot by the police, so its original aim is completely irrelevant here. That's why I think it's a bandwagon movement. Black people also aren't the largest minority, there are more South Asian minorities in the UK. Why don't they matter so much?

Targeting places like airports is a guaranteed way to ensure limited support. If they want to improve black peoples' lives (and no on else's) then they're going about it completely the wrong way.
 
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Tue Sep 06, 2016 8:38 pm

Aesma wrote:
Tedd wrote:
What utter nonsense gets an airing on this sight. These protesters for no good reason are costing the country money which the hard working people of this country can ill afford. These protesters would never consider that perhaps instead of causing mayhem ( this is by no means the first incident ) they should look into the lives of the type of people that use LCY & strive in some small way to emulate the work ethic they possess. There may have been many important meetings / deals lost today forever costing business millions for all we know & WTF for! All creeds will be detrimentally affected by such incidents, & just as our authorities come down hard on acts of racism, so the same should be applied to people who cause this trouble.


Yep, we should all strive to be robber barons ! But who would be our servants, then ?


Your sarcasm is needless & unbecoming. You don`t like bankers, well that's your opinion. While I`m not overjoyed by some of the obscene salaries,
I at least understand that most of the worlds economies only exist because of the success of such a system. There would be far more intelligent people
than you or me that wouldn`t dare to mess with the banking institution. That's the pity of todays anarchistic behavior. They target & bite the hand that
feeds them, they just don`t have the intelligence to understand it.
 
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Tue Sep 06, 2016 8:51 pm

I don't understand why any flights were cancelled. Arrest them and throw them in jail for trespassing in 10 minutes. Maybe a 30 minute flight delay or something. How in the world did they manage to get all the way out to the runway without being arrested first??!!! This is absurd.
 
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Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:33 pm

So what are the goals of BLM? What are they ultimately hoping to accomplish? Ok...one can tote out all sorts of stats to promote any side of an argument...especially one as fluid, complex and controversial as this one.

Why are there proportionally more blacks in prison than whites? And....how will this protest, and others like it, make a difference? Did the blacks in prison actually commit crimes or are they innocent? If they committed crimes, shouldn't they be in jail? That's the cookie cutter analysis.

Maybe blacks get proportionally higher and tougher sentences, compared to whites who do similar crimes. How does the plight of blacks compare to that of other visible minorities?

For example...in the states, the number of deaths of blacks at the hands of cops is a tiny fraction of the number of blacks killed by blacks. Any innocent death is a tragedy and I applaud all efforts to prevent further deaths...but let's say that the protests work and no more blacks are killed by cops. What about all of those other deaths? Where are the protests against black on black crime? Black people are much more likely to be victimized by other blacks than they are of whites or cops...so what fixes that?

It seems to me that focusing attention solely on the tragedy of cops killing blacks, avoids the problems associated with much larger, more uncomfortable and complicated issues.
 
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Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:13 am

The airlines will have to pay the €250 compensation to all the thousands of disrupted pax. Therefore the airlines are victims of this trespass crime. I think the judge should add this victims compensation onto the protestors sentences (a nice couple of hundred thousand pounds).
 
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Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:35 am

joeljack wrote:
I don't understand why any flights were cancelled. Arrest them and throw them in jail for trespassing in 10 minutes. Maybe a 30 minute flight delay or something. How in the world did they manage to get all the way out to the runway without being arrested first??!!! This is absurd.


The runway is surrounded by water on three sides, its very easy to get there by boat. It appears that security is 24 hour for the terminal and parking area, but only operates during opening hours for the runway.

As to the length of time to remove them, basically they made fools of the police and security services who appear to have taken 6 hours to remove them. Probably spent four hours trying to persuade them to voluntarily move before taking positive action.
the response ought to be, make a call for the boltcroppers and cordless grinders, explain to the demonstrators that they will be used immediately on arrival and take it from there. The airport fire service must have sufficient cutting gear to deal with this in 15 minutes from being called out.
 
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acw367 wrote:
The airlines will have to pay the €250 compensation to all the thousands of disrupted pax. Therefore the airlines are victims of this trespass crime. I think the judge should add this victims compensation onto the protestors sentences (a nice couple of hundred thousand pounds).


I doubt the airlines will have to pay compensation in this instance as the situation was completely out of their control. They can't be held responsible for non availability of the runway.
 
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Wed Sep 07, 2016 11:01 am

Bongodog1964 wrote:
joeljack wrote:
I don't understand why any flights were cancelled. Arrest them and throw them in jail for trespassing in 10 minutes. Maybe a 30 minute flight delay or something. How in the world did they manage to get all the way out to the runway without being arrested first??!!! This is absurd.


The runway is surrounded by water on three sides, its very easy to get there by boat. It appears that security is 24 hour for the terminal and parking area, but only operates during opening hours for the runway.

As to the length of time to remove them, basically they made fools of the police and security services who appear to have taken 6 hours to remove them. Probably spent four hours trying to persuade them to voluntarily move before taking positive action.
the response ought to be, make a call for the boltcroppers and cordless grinders, explain to the demonstrators that they will be used immediately on arrival and take it from there. The airport fire service must have sufficient cutting gear to deal with this in 15 minutes from being called out.


It took them 6 hours to remove them? That's bonkers.

With a police team and a few powertools they could have had them in the back of a police van in 15 minutes! Why were they allowed to continue causing disruption, and allowed to continue breaking the law (trespassing on an airport runway!), is there some risk of recourse for the police? Or perhaps a way in which the protestors are chained together than makes them very difficult to move?

If there are any police folk on here I would be fascinated to know.
 
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KaiTak747 wrote:
Bongodog1964 wrote:
joeljack wrote:
I don't understand why any flights were cancelled. Arrest them and throw them in jail for trespassing in 10 minutes. Maybe a 30 minute flight delay or something. How in the world did they manage to get all the way out to the runway without being arrested first??!!! This is absurd.


The runway is surrounded by water on three sides, its very easy to get there by boat. It appears that security is 24 hour for the terminal and parking area, but only operates during opening hours for the runway.

As to the length of time to remove them, basically they made fools of the police and security services who appear to have taken 6 hours to remove them. Probably spent four hours trying to persuade them to voluntarily move before taking positive action.
the response ought to be, make a call for the boltcroppers and cordless grinders, explain to the demonstrators that they will be used immediately on arrival and take it from there. The airport fire service must have sufficient cutting gear to deal with this in 15 minutes from being called out.


It took them 6 hours to remove them? That's bonkers.

With a police team and a few powertools they could have had them in the back of a police van in 15 minutes! Why were they allowed to continue causing disruption, and allowed to continue breaking the law (trespassing on an airport runway!), is there some risk of recourse for the police? Or perhaps a way in which the protestors are chained together than makes them very difficult to move?

If there are any police folk on here I would be fascinated to know.


Unfortunately, this is the way it is in the Public sector here in the UK, everything has to be assessed to the nth degree for health & safety, getting things done is very much a last resort. Roads remain closed for hours on end after car crashes. Firefighters who once,when confronted by an urgent need to get to a 1st floor window, would have driven the fire engine up to the building, climbed onto the roof, and stepped straight through a window are now required to do it properly with a ladder even if it will take far too long.
 
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What utter nonsense gets an airing on this sight. These protesters for no good reason are costing the country money which the hard working people of this country can ill afford. These protesters would never consider that perhaps instead of causing mayhem ( this is by no means the first incident ) they should look into the lives of the type of people that use LCY & strive in some small way to emulate the work ethic they possess. There may have been many important meetings / deals lost today forever costing business millions for all we know & WTF for! All creeds will be detrimentally affected by such incidents, & just as our authorities come down hard on acts of racism, so the same should be applied to people who cause this trouble.


You have no way of knowing if all those "important" meetings would have resulted in millions of pounds of income or if they were total wastes of time.

For all we know two people who were held up by the protest ended up meeting and making a far better business deal in the airport departure lounge than any one they were intending to discuss at whatever meeting they were supposed to be attending.

Or perhaps two people had some time to kill due to the protest and had a shag and conceived the next Steve Jobs and created billions of dollars of wealth.

Life can have some strange and unintended consequences...
 
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I don't get it, this is what, the second time Black Lives Matter has blocked a UK airport. But why?

Wikipedia wrote:
Black Lives Matter (BLM) is an international activist movement, originating in the African-American community, that campaigns against violence and systemic racism toward black people. BLM regularly organizes protests around the deaths of black people in killings by law enforcement officers, and broader issues of racial profiling, police brutality, and racial inequality in the United States criminal justice system.


It is an American movement against unfair treatment by police in the US. How and why does the UK come into the picture? British police officers normally don't even carry guns! British police killings in the past 5 years come down to just 7 or 8, few of which seem to be black.

"In Britain, 28% of black people are more likely to be exposed to air pollution... being in closest proximity to the industries causing climate change."


Which is a very weak argument. It ultimately boils down to the fact that urban areas are more polluted than the countryside, and immigrants prefer to live in or close to a city/in an urban area because thats where most of the jobs are. This affects white urbanites just as bad as black people.


London-City might want to look at installing some fences though.

:)
 
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...or green the police should take action to protect the security zone.


The Great Gazoo's life matters!

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What I can't get my head around was that the protesters are all White!!!!!!
 
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Tedd wrote:
What utter nonsense gets an airing on this sight. These protesters for no good reason are costing the country money which the hard working people of this country can ill afford. These protesters would never consider that perhaps instead of causing mayhem ( this is by no means the first incident ) they should look into the lives of the type of people that use LCY & strive in some small way to emulate the work ethic they possess. There may have been many important meetings / deals lost today forever costing business millions for all we know & WTF for! All creeds will be detrimentally affected by such incidents, & just as our authorities come down hard on acts of racism, so the same should be applied to people who cause this trouble.


You have no way of knowing if all those "important" meetings would have resulted in millions of pounds of income or if they were total wastes of time.

For all we know two people who were held up by the protest ended up meeting and making a far better business deal in the airport departure lounge than any one they were intending to discuss at whatever meeting they were supposed to be attending.

Or perhaps two people had some time to kill due to the protest and had a shag and conceived the next Steve Jobs and created billions of dollars of wealth.

Life can have some strange and unintended consequences...


I take your point, I have no way of knowing what kind of business was lost of course. But with London arguably at the centre of the financial universe I
think it fair to suggest that there would have been some serious deals affected one way or another. It`s fair to consider the hard working individual first
& foremost, since it`s that contribution that keeps an economy prosperous & in turn helps the less fortunate have better lives than they may have otherwise.
I also realise it`s a fine line between success & failure, & in particular at this time for the UK. When I see the sorts of behaviour as at LCY & some previous
incidents that even in a small way could be detrimental to that success, then sure I get annoyed. Anyway, checkout the sorts of people that caused the
incident the other day. Now I don`t know for sure, but I think it likely they may never have contributed anything to our society here, only help to harm it.
 
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Re: London City Airport ( LCY ) closed

Thu Sep 08, 2016 11:24 am

Lofty wrote:
What I can't get my head around was that the protesters are all White!!!!!!


As it would turn out, there are a growing number of people in the UK and the world with mixed racial backgrounds. I don't think it's fair for you to question their race because if they were mixed race, you would have said they were all black.

VSMUT wrote:
London-City might want to look at installing some fences though.


Do JFK, CPH or BOS have fences at their waterline? Just curious.

JoeCanuck wrote:
Why are there proportionally more blacks in prison than whites? And....how will this protest, and others like it, make a difference? Did the blacks in prison actually commit crimes or are they innocent? If they committed crimes, shouldn't they be in jail? That's the cookie cutter analysis.


What about people who share both backgrounds? Which race are those people? In the US, there are very complicated rules. From living in the UK, I am aware that the rules are completely different. For instance, in the US, Pakistanis make up a very small minority and don't deal with nearly as much antipathy as they may encounter in the UK.
 
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Re: London City Airport ( LCY ) closed

Thu Sep 08, 2016 1:20 pm

The protest group Black Lives Matter UK, claim to have chosen LCY airport, because of the environmental impact this airport has on local black people. This and the recent LHR protest on the M4 approach road have absolutely nothing to do with aviation, or the environment. They just know that any other protest would not get any press attention at all. Answer, don't give them any press at all the next time this happens. Taser them, push over their step ladder, and shove them in the back of a police van with ladder. Job done in 15 minutes. If they break an arm, so what.

We don't kill (black) people here in the UK, unless they are known criminals who just happen to have a loaded gun in the car. In this case, the police have a perfect right to shoot anyone, if they feel threatened.

This movement is completely irrelevant here in Europe. In the US they may have a point, but that's because there are too many criminals (of all colours) with guns and police with guns. Answer, get rid of the guns, and treat everyone the same.

This type of demo is going to become a regular thing around airports here, especially when Heathrow expansion gets the green light in October.

Solution: Taser them for being in a secure area under the terrorism act. Jail them for five years. Problem goes away.
 
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Re: London City Airport ( LCY ) closed

Fri Sep 09, 2016 7:54 pm

MrHMSH wrote:
Black Lives Matter is a movement against the killing of black people by the police. In the UK we get hardly anyone shot by the police, so its original aim is completely irrelevant here.


From what I've been able to find, since Mark Duggan (2011), UK police have killed two black men. One was shot while in the process of breaking another prisoner out of police custody, armed with an Uzi. The other died of a heart attack after being tazered while trying to kill his own father. The rest of the guys shot by police were all white men.

As a 3rd world immigrant to the UK, it never ceases to amaze me that immigrants, from just about every corner of the world, come to the UK - often with no or little English skills, barely enough money to make it through the first week or two, and no one to turn to - and still manage to find work, find ways to improve their lives, find ways to improve their own education, start their own businesses, put their children through school and university, often while supporting their families back home, and somehow manage not get shot by police.

Then there's a generation of British "youth" who think of themselves as oppressed or discriminated against while squandering every opportunity they have. Growing up in one of the richest nations on earth, with free access to schools that are the envy of the world.

The sad thing is, the one industry in the UK that has an abundance of work and a desperate shortage of suitable candidates, and thus, pay well - IT - does not require a degree or any tertiary education. Almost every skill you need to get your foot in the door, you can learn through self study, for free, on the internet. All it takes is some initiative and a lot of hard work. Being oppressed and being unwilling or incapable to do the jobs that are plentiful in your economy, are not the same thing.
 
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Re: London City Airport ( LCY ) closed

Fri Sep 09, 2016 8:21 pm

downtown273 wrote:
Apparently, the average salary of a London City Airport user is €136k (£114k, $152k)


Given LCY's location, I'd be amazed if the average salary of pax using it was that low. :shock:
 
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Re: London City Airport ( LCY ) closed

Fri Sep 09, 2016 10:41 pm

scbriml wrote:
downtown273 wrote:
Apparently, the average salary of a London City Airport user is €136k (£114k, $152k)


Given LCY's location, I'd be amazed if the average salary of pax using it was that low. :shock:


Daily wage?
 
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Re: London City Airport ( LCY ) closed

Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:48 pm

Just take out the snow plough for the runway and just bulldoze them or just get a eurofighter to do a low flyby. if they get blown away so be it
 
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Re: London City Airport ( LCY ) closed

Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:16 am

Eh, I say land anyway. Oops, didn't see you there.
 
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Re: London City Airport ( LCY ) closed

Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:13 am

Pity that some misguided people protest and close down (albeit temporarily) the probable means of employment for some of those same people the protesters seem to think are oppressed. Perhaps they are thinking that the environment causes blackface, which evidently can be construed as being racist....but they are about 100 years late, and there aren't too many coal mines or coal-fired plants or heat (any more) in downtown London anyway.

One would figure, though, that trespassing onto airport grounds would be met with rather more force than was shown. Glad I don't have to travel to Great Britain anytime soon and need to be protected by Her Majesty's police forces.
 
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Re: London City Airport ( LCY ) closed

Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:52 am

Adipasquale wrote:
Are there more loose laws regarding unauthorized people entering areas of the airport where passing through security is necessary then there are in the US? I would imagine if this happened in the US, they would have rounded up these misguided souls relatively quickly.



Thats what PR24's, OC spray and Dogs are for..............Maybe a couple hours closed, but never days in the US
 
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Re: London City Airport ( LCY ) closed

Sat Sep 10, 2016 8:56 am

YZF101 wrote:
Pity that some misguided people protest and close down (albeit temporarily) the probable means of employment for some of those same people the protesters seem to think are oppressed. Perhaps they are thinking that the environment causes blackface, which evidently can be construed as being racist....but they are about 100 years late, and there aren't too many coal mines or coal-fired plants or heat (any more) in downtown London anyway.

One would figure, though, that trespassing onto airport grounds would be met with rather more force than was shown. Glad I don't have to travel to Great Britain anytime soon and need to be protected by Her Majesty's police forces.


Do not fear for your safety if travelling to the UK, our Police feel it their duty to protect everyone, regardless of them being on the right or wrong side of the law. Personally I feel that they could have been a little more heavy handed here, if the protestors had suffered a bruise or three and the odd minor cut and graze whilst being dragged into custody so be it, but in the eyes of UK law its not acceptable.
 
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Re: London City Airport ( LCY ) closed

Sat Sep 10, 2016 9:04 am

scbriml wrote:
downtown273 wrote:
Apparently, the average salary of a London City Airport user is €136k (£114k, $152k)


Given LCY's location, I'd be amazed if the average salary of pax using it was that low. :shock:


CX Flyboy wrote:
Daily wage?


I don't think £114,000/year is a bad average...
You don't have to be a millionaire to use the airport, but many well-paid people will use it due to its convenience.

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