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Transavia - Is this Europe next big LCC

Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:46 am

Hello All,

I see Transavia has increased its passenger numbers by 21% over the last year. Considering LCC's are still to reach their full potential in Europe could Transavia be the LCC to watch over the next decade?

http://centreforaviation.com/news/trans ... 016-593236
 
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Re: Transavia - Is this Europe next big LCC

Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:15 am

Norwegian is the one to watch. No question about it if you ask me. These LCCs like euro wings, vueling and transavia are too entrenched in the old big flagship airline mentality of their parent airlines.
Norwegian is a new beast and given the vitriol reception they've had from other airlines in Europe and the US, I'd say they're expected to have a blast over the next few years.
 
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Re: Transavia - Is this Europe next big LCC

Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:30 am

With the two Transavia units now having 74 aircraft in their fleet, they are of a comparative size to many other LCC's including Norwegian.

When we consider the marketing streams of KLM and Air France, Transavia, you would think would have more opportunity in targeting customers.

21% equates to growth if thirteen aircraft in the last year!
 
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Re: Transavia - Is this Europe next big LCC

Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:43 am

They knew what was coming when FR rapidly expanded and they never really stepped up and so I dont see them suddenly becoming a dominant player now.
 
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Re: Transavia - Is this Europe next big LCC

Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:50 am

I don't believe Transavia are actually profitable though. I cant remeber which annual report it was but it showe dTransavia making a loss. That may have changed in recent months though.

Whilst Transavia are a low cost carrier, they are no where near as low cost as say U2 and FR. Crews are on better pay and conditions and they still have cleaners attend the aircraft on turnarounds as an example... where as U2 and FR the crew tidy the cabin.
 
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Re: Transavia - Is this Europe next big LCC

Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:10 am

they are still mostly a dutch holiday charter airline
 
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Re: Transavia - Is this Europe next big LCC

Sun Sep 11, 2016 11:08 am

I also recall Transavia is not earning money... And I find them rather small and virtually unknown outside of their main airports, even in Germany no one knows them other than aviation specialists, although they have started quite a few routes from Germany. Heck, they can't even be booked in regular GDS', which I still believe is quite important. They're not the only one not doing that though...
Also I don't find them very agressive in pretty much every aspect... If they get a few new planes, VY/FR/DY get a multiple of that in the same time.

I am impressed by Vueling. Yes, their operations are often unreliable, but their growth is huge. Working for a tour operator I am often dealing with them and at least from my point of view they have very little communication paths, no huge complicated hierarchies, but still try to be a bit more than a regular LCC; by offering i.e. connections in their hub, interlining with selected airline partners (i.e. BA or QR, but also a few others) etc. And they fly all over Europe, and start to get well known in quite a few markets.

Norwegian is also interesting, but they seem to concentrate more on particular markets, i.e. Spain, and leave others pretty much unserved (i.e. Germany with exception of Berlin and a few random holiday routes).
 
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Re: Transavia - Is this Europe next big LCC

Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:20 pm

I'm near Paris and asked 7 colleagues recently about Transavia, none of them had any idea of what it was.
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Re: Transavia - Is this Europe next big LCC

Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:38 pm

Growth in Transavia by taking over AF and KL routes isn't exactly a sustainable strategy for AF KL Group.

http://www.airfranceklm.com/en/news/201 ... r-schedule
 
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Re: Transavia - Is this Europe next big LCC

Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:52 pm

How much can Transavia grow before Air France's pilots/flight attendants/whatever decide to go on strike again?
 
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Re: Transavia - Is this Europe next big LCC

Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:08 pm

Polot wrote:
How much can Transavia grow before Air France's pilots/flight attendants/whatever decide to go on strike again?


Isn't that the reason they opened a base in MUC?
 
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Re: Transavia - Is this Europe next big LCC

Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:25 pm

Anyway the new AFKL CEO just got on board, so it's too soon to tell. Certainly he doesn't have big shoes to fill, as the former CEO was held captive and beaten by angry employees. And you thought Smisek was bad...
 
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Re: Transavia - Is this Europe next big LCC

Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:40 pm

Transavia have their niche as the European leisure carrier for AF-KL but I can't see them setting up bases in aggressively fought LCC markets like Spain and and Central and Eastern Europe. I must admit I didn't realise they had quite such a large fleet though.

In my opinion, the LCCs in Europe to watch are Vueling, Norwegian and Wizzair. Romania's Blue Air is doing some very interesting things in Cyprus and Italy too.
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Re: Transavia - Is this Europe next big LCC

Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:10 am

Fleet sizes of competing LCC's

Norwegian - 101 aircraft.

Wizz Air - 72 aircraft.

German Wings - 61 Aircraft

Vueling - 110 Aircraft

EasyJet - 233 Aircraft

Pegasus Airlines - 74 Aircraft

Smart Wings - 18 Aircraft.

Do these numbers suggest there is still a fair amount of room for LCC's? Excluding the major LCC's, there are a few LCC's in the 60-100 aircraft range with the rest considerably smaller (I haven't listed them). With both of the Transavia airlines serving major markets, you would think there is more opportunity with a France or Netherlands based airline.

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