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Austrian to start LAX

Fri Sep 16, 2016 5:55 am

I've been told Austrian Airlines is set to announce LAX service at any moment.

Starting on April 10th, 2017, 6 weekly flights with a 777-200ER.

OS81, arriving in LAX at about 1pm, OS82 departing LAX around 3pm.


More info coming as soon as the announcement is official.


Congrats to Austrian and LAX.


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Re: Austrian to start LAX

Fri Sep 16, 2016 6:12 am

Nice. Will love to see them here.

Be interesting to see what market they're going after though, that LH/LX don't already thoroughly address from here.
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Fri Sep 16, 2016 6:15 am

Remember OS have quite an extensive network to Eastern Europe, so there should be a good % of transiting traffic via VIE.
 
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Fri Sep 16, 2016 6:19 am

TC957 wrote:
Remember OS have quite an extensive network to Eastern Europe, so there should be a good % of transiting traffic via VIE.

Sure, but stated:
What does their network offer, that isn't already well-provided by LH; who also has a large eastern European network, and connects people there in revenue share with OS already?

Since these routes are jointly decided, there's apparently SOMETHING... I'm not questioning that, I'm just wondering what that somewhere is.
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Fri Sep 16, 2016 6:40 am

Probably can start with a few basic factors
1) Lufthansa Group sees a strong market open to expansion
2) Expand the Austrian brand
3) Aircraft is available
4) Seeing demand for LAX to Vienna traffic, enough to look into a nonstop option
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Fri Sep 16, 2016 6:41 am

The argument about how OS duplicates LH+LX can nearly equally apply to every other North American airport. From VIE to North America, OS flies to :

YYZ, JFK, EWR, IAD, ORD, and MIA

covering every Star Alliance hub already in the midwest and northeast. IAH isn't exactly at its best times (to put it nicely), and the frequent chatter about whether IAH-MUC is up to par makes IAH-VIE a much weaker proposition. So realistically, their expansion should be out west to the 2 biggest holes - LAX and/or SFO, both of which should have large O&D to Europe regardless of UA hub or not, so I don't see how picking LAX is really all that shocking.

Another armchair theory could be that LH Group wants to route the transfer traffic through FRA (the super hub) and VIE (either as reliever hub, or to boost margins at OS group), and make ZRH (private banking + pharma) and MUC (auto) as O&D oriented as possible ? just my 2 cents.
 
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Fri Sep 16, 2016 6:45 am

stlgph wrote:
Probably can start with a few basic factors
1) Lufthansa Group sees a strong market open to expansion
2) Expand the Austrian brand
3) Aircraft is available

Fair enough. Didn't really take #2 into account. #3, as simply as it may be, makes perfect sense too.
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Re: Austrian to start LAX

Fri Sep 16, 2016 7:07 am

a380787 wrote:
The argument about how OS duplicates LH+LX can nearly equally apply to every other North American airport. From VIE to North America, OS flies to :

YYZ, JFK, EWR, IAD, ORD, and MIA

covering every Star Alliance hub already in the midwest and northeast. IAH isn't exactly at its best times (to put it nicely), and the frequent chatter about whether IAH-MUC is up to par makes IAH-VIE a much weaker proposition. So realistically, their expansion should be out west to the 2 biggest holes - LAX and/or SFO, both of which should have large O&D to Europe regardless of UA hub or not, so I don't see how picking LAX is really all that shocking.

Another armchair theory could be that LH Group wants to route the transfer traffic through FRA (the super hub) and VIE (either as reliever hub, or to boost margins at OS group), and make ZRH (private banking + pharma) and MUC (auto) as O&D oriented as possible ? just my 2 cents.


This all makes sense. I would add that MUC certainly still has its share of connecting traffic (especially to Southern Europe) and is a much more pleasant connecting experience than FRA. I doubt routes like DEN-MUC could last without feed on both ends.

But this is great to see OS start LAX and yet another *A carrier here. I'm still pretty faithful to Star, and it might be fun to connect in VIE next summer just to fly on a Fokker for once.
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Re: Austrian to start LAX

Fri Sep 16, 2016 8:32 am

Schedule is loaded in the GDS:
OS 081 X27 VIE LAX 1000 1330 0 10APR17 12JUN17 772 12:30
OS 082 X27 LAX VIE 1505 1200+1 0 10APR17 12JUN17 772 11:55

=> increase to X7 from 13JUN17 onwards


And the LHGroup airlines' schedule for next summer ex. LAX:

LH 457 D LAX B FRA 1 1525 1120+1 0 CONNECT FRA 388
LH 453 D LAX B MUC 2 1705 1330+1 0 CONNECT MUC 346
LH 451 D LAX B FRA 1 1915 1500+1 0 CONNECT FRA 74H
LX 041 D LAX B ZRH 1920 1520+1 0 CONNECT ZRH 77W
 
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Re: Austrian to start LAX

Fri Sep 16, 2016 9:11 am

Where is the aircraft coming from for this new flight? New deliveries or cancelled/reduced flights?
 
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Re: Austrian to start LAX

Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:31 am

OS has a small wide body fleet of I think just 11 aircraft (5 777-200ER and 6 767-300ER). They recently dropped Delhi, Dubai, and Tokyo and I think added Hong Kong. They fly into JFK, EWR, ORD, YYZ and IAD in North America/Canada all of which are Star hubs, except JFK which is arguably the largest O&D airport in the world (or among the largest). Curious as to what exactly LAX does for them? LAX to Europe beyond big hubs like LHR, CDG, AMS are tricky for airlines (US and foreign) though LAX continues to grow. Flew OS in 2014 from VIE to JFK on the 777 and really liked them. Curious as to what the fleet will be on long haul in a few years? The 777/763 are getting up there in age though have all been redone nose to tail.
 
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Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:22 am

Cointrin330 - Also the B772s have 10-across in Y so not so comfortable on long flights.

However you must remember that OS relies on 6th freedom passengers to fill its long distance planes and no other airline serves so many points in the former E Europe.

Just to take one example - there will be very good connections to/from KRK (via VIE) and I can see the potential here for both business and leisure travel to or from the US West Coast.
 
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Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:25 am

LAX772LR wrote:
TC957 wrote:
Remember OS have quite an extensive network to Eastern Europe, so there should be a good % of transiting traffic via VIE.

Sure, but stated:
What does their network offer, that isn't already well-provided by LH; who also has a large eastern European network, and connects people there in revenue share with OS already?

Since these routes are jointly decided, there's apparently SOMETHING... I'm not questioning that, I'm just wondering what that somewhere is.


If given the choice I'd rather transit in VIE than FRA.
 
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Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:28 am

I'll tell you what OS has that LH doesn't:
A fantastic business class product.
I've flown both, and the best thing I can say about LH biz is that there's nothing inherently wrong with it.
OS, on the other hand, remains my favorite J product, period.
 
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Re: Austrian to start LAX

Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:34 am

SFOtoORD - You make a good point. VIE is far more compact and user-friendly than FRA. So I can see the attraction for passengers coming from/travelling to Central/Eastern Europe.
 
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Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:38 am

LAX772LR wrote:
Nice. Will love to see them here.

Be interesting to see what market they're going after though, that LH/LX don't already thoroughly address from here.


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Re: Austrian to start LAX

Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:57 am

Like I said before, this route was certainly expected. It's great to see more *A growth at LAX.
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Fri Sep 16, 2016 12:09 pm

They have what? 11 long haul aircraft in their fleet? How are they going to make LAX work at 6x week when they also have HKG, YYZ, PEK, PVG, BKK, ORD, MIA, JFK, EWR and IAD?
 
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Fri Sep 16, 2016 12:19 pm

B752OS - But note that a few months ago, OS was saying that it would drop one or more of its less profitable long-haul destinations. Will one or more of these be in the US ?

In an August article (German language) in Aerotelegraph, the CEO Kay Kratky is quoted as saying "Our goal is clear. We will not continue loss-making routes.And we need to improve the balance sheet between business and leisure traffic."


http://www.aerotelegraph.com/austrian-a ... os-angeles
 
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Fri Sep 16, 2016 12:20 pm

B752OS wrote:
They have what? 11 long haul aircraft in their fleet? How are they going to make LAX work at 6x week when they also have HKG, YYZ, PEK, PVG, BKK, ORD, MIA, JFK, EWR and IAD?


Some of these aren't daily. PEK and HKG are only 5 weekly I believe. MIA is less than daily as well I think.
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Fri Sep 16, 2016 12:34 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
Be interesting to see what market they're going after though, that LH/LX don't already thoroughly address from here.

My first thought was: leisure traffic, this won't last long.
But then it hit me: TK's market. With all that's going on in Turkey, VIE/OS will be a viable alternative to TK. People are afraid to travel thru IST and OS is filling the void.
 
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Fri Sep 16, 2016 12:53 pm

B752OS wrote:
They have what? 11 long haul aircraft in their fleet? How are they going to make LAX work at 6x week when they also have HKG, YYZ, PEK, PVG, BKK, ORD, MIA, JFK, EWR and IAD?


They have 5 B772 and 6 B763 frames. The B772 routes are to HKG, PVG, BKK, JFK and LAX, the B763 routes are to PEK, YYZ, EWR, ORD, MIA and IAD, so they don't need any additional frames.
 
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Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:57 pm

I heard that YYZ might be dropped next summer with Air Canada rouge picking up the route.
 
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Fri Sep 16, 2016 2:40 pm

I would hope to see a SFO flight soon, i would expect it to be a success given all the *star feed demand and overall popularity of LH and Swiss.
 
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Fri Sep 16, 2016 3:26 pm

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I would hope to see a SFO flight soon, i would expect it to be a success given all the *star feed demand and overall popularity of LH and Swiss.

The problem with flights between the U.S. and Austria is that they are very leisure oriented and SFO is at the "end of the line" for connections. I suspect that there aren't any relevant connections at SFO that can't already be done at ORD/EWR/YYZ, or for that matter at FRA/MUC/ZRH. And with OS having dropped all of their India service, there goes a huge chunk of potential connecting traffic via VIE. At least at LAX they will be able to tap into the large and wealthy Iranian diaspora.
 
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Fri Sep 16, 2016 3:52 pm

stylo777 wrote:

And the LHGroup airlines' schedule for next summer ex. LAX:

LH 457 D LAX FRA 388
LH 453 D LAX MUC 346
LH 451 D LAX FRA 74H
LX 041 D LAX ZRH 77W


Except for the 346 on LAX-MUC, *A is flying the largest planes available on every route out of LAX possible. TK has the 77W mixed in there as well. OS/LH can definitely divert some traffic that would otherwise route through any of the other *A hubs and create more lift for the alliance without putting more pressure on FRA.

Like others have mentioned, VIE is an absolute breeze to connect through compared to FRA so for travelers that would prefer a more hassle-free experience, VIE is a great option. Much like connecting through TPA instead of MIA if you were heading south from the US. VIE also has extensive rail access to much of Eastern Europe that lacks direct air service to the other hubs.

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Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:06 pm

ORD flight's use a 772
 
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Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:11 pm

AA737-823 wrote:
I'll tell you what OS has that LH doesn't:
A fantastic business class product.
I've flown both, and the best thing I can say about LH biz is that there's nothing inherently wrong with it.
OS, on the other hand, remains my favorite J product, period.


The big thing is Do&Co, with this annoucment it looks like I will be taking OS a couple of times next year over LX to get to Italy.
 
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Fri Sep 16, 2016 5:00 pm

I've flown OS J once and TK J twice, all of which I felt the Do&Co touch to things just made it more like a song and dance. I wouldn't go out of my way to travel on Do&Co catered services unless the schedule and routing makes sense.
 
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Fri Sep 16, 2016 5:08 pm

jetblastdubai wrote:
stylo777 wrote:


Except for the 346 on LAX-MUC, *A is flying the largest planes available on every route out of LAX possible.

http://os.fltmaps.com/en


The A346 is the largest airplane in LH fleet based out of MUC, so they are flying the largest plane possible to MUC too.
 
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Fri Sep 16, 2016 5:15 pm

Thenoflyzone wrote:
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Cassi wrote:
B752OS wrote:
They have what? 11 long haul aircraft in their fleet? How are they going to make LAX work at 6x week when they also have HKG, YYZ, PEK, PVG, BKK, ORD, MIA, JFK, EWR and IAD?


They have 5 B772 and 6 B763 frames. The B772 routes are to HKG, PVG, BKK, JFK and LAX, the B763 routes are to PEK, YYZ, EWR, ORD, MIA and IAD, so they don't need any additional frames.


MIA gets the 777 back on October 30th.

Thenoflyzone wrote:
Some of these aren't daily. PEK and HKG are only 5 weekly I believe. MIA is less than daily as well I think.


For some reason, MIA keeps going from 5 to 6 weekly and back to 5 weekly.
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Fri Sep 16, 2016 6:22 pm

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I heard that YYZ might be dropped next summer with Air Canada rouge picking up the route.

They routinely run 763s and 772s on that route, to address the demand. Sincerely doubt they're going to completely abandon it for Rouge.
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Fri Sep 16, 2016 6:59 pm

Miami wrote:
I've been told Austrian Airlines is set to announce LAX service at any moment.


Congrats to OS, LH Group, VIE and LAX!

stlgph wrote:
Probably can start with a few basic factors
1) Lufthansa Group sees a strong market open to expansion
2) Expand the Austrian brand
3) Aircraft is available
4) Seeing demand for LAX to Vienna traffic, enough to look into a nonstop option


2) and 4) are the big winners here, especially onward connections through VIE. OS owns much of SE Europe and tries to defend it's turf against the likes of TK and even JU now that JU is starting North America.

a380787 wrote:
The argument about how OS duplicates LH+LX can nearly equally apply to every other North American airport. From VIE to North America, OS flies to :

YYZ, JFK, EWR, IAD, ORD, and MIA

covering every Star Alliance hub already in the midwest and northeast. IAH isn't exactly at its best times (to put it nicely), and the frequent chatter about whether IAH-MUC is up to par makes IAH-VIE a much weaker proposition. So realistically, their expansion should be out west to the 2 biggest holes - LAX and/or SFO, both of which should have large O&D to Europe regardless of UA hub or not, so I don't see how picking LAX is really all that shocking.

Another armchair theory could be that LH Group wants to route the transfer traffic through FRA (the super hub) and VIE (either as reliever hub, or to boost margins at OS group), and make ZRH (private banking + pharma) and MUC (auto) as O&D oriented as possible ? just my 2 cents.


No shame in that. OS handles a lot of SE Europe connections, something neither LX or LH are particularly strong at. Plenty of traffic leftover for FRA, MUC and ZRH. IAH needs to watch out, time for the renovations to finally get started in D. Love the new Centurion lounge through, blows UA clubs and the old executive club at D right out of the water.

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babastud wrote:
I would hope to see a SFO flight soon, i would expect it to be a success given all the *star feed demand and overall popularity of LH and Swiss.

The problem with flights between the U.S. and Austria is that they are very leisure oriented and SFO is at the "end of the line" for connections. I suspect that there aren't any relevant connections at SFO that can't already be done at ORD/EWR/YYZ, or for that matter at FRA/MUC/ZRH. And with OS having dropped all of their India service, there goes a huge chunk of potential connecting traffic via VIE. At least at LAX they will be able to tap into the large and wealthy Iranian diaspora.


SFO could be next. I see OS more as a connector for pretty much all of SE Europe. I've had OS to North America on the menu in the past and didn't pick them because I didn't want to fly a UA 737 from ORD to LAX, picking LH, LX, or UA flatbed p.s. / Europe - SFO instead. India can continue to something like LAX/SFO-FRA/MUC/ZRH-BOM/DEL/BLR/MAA/PNQ, no immediate need for OS there given the seat count of the A380/B748/A346. For Persians travelling on LH Group LAX-FRA-IKA should be a slam dunk decision given that you get 744 with flat beds instead of a 319ish plane.
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airbazar wrote:
babastud wrote:
I would hope to see a SFO flight soon, i would expect it to be a success given all the *star feed demand and overall popularity of LH and Swiss.

The problem with flights between the U.S. and Austria is that they are very leisure oriented and SFO is at the "end of the line" for connections. I suspect that there aren't any relevant connections at SFO that can't already be done at ORD/EWR/YYZ, or for that matter at FRA/MUC/ZRH. And with OS having dropped all of their India service, there goes a huge chunk of potential connecting traffic via VIE. At least at LAX they will be able to tap into the large and wealthy Iranian diaspora.




Some good valid points I would say.. Although SFO is the Bay Area which is really one of the premier business areas in the world right now, plus is super popular with European tourists. I'm sure the demand is their and the market is more diverse then just connections to India. You do have a sizable Persian diaspora, and south Europeans.

The business traffic originating from the Bay Area is pretty sophisticated, they are well versed on what UA and Star Alliance offers. I guarantee you if Austrian's solid business class product was available loads of star flyers would jump on it. The issue I could see is gate availability in G at the prime times.
 
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Fri Sep 16, 2016 7:16 pm

Not too surprised by the news. LAX tends to be the next airport after JFK to get new service to Europe.
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Fri Sep 16, 2016 8:28 pm

Really happy to see Austrian come out to the West Coast, hopefully SFO is next at some point. Though that would be a long shot. A lot of folks who ask what OS has to offer above and beyond LH have obviously not transited frequently enough via LH at FRA. Apart from an amazing business class product, Austrian offers a very seamless and straightforward connection opportunity in VIE.

Living in Innsbruck for a good chunk of the year, I find myself in VIE fairly frequently and I've yet to ever wait more than 3 minutes at either border control or security when flying in/out. It's a breeze. Also, I think as already mentioned previously by a fellow member, their flight banks connect very well to Central/Eastern Europe and the hub just works.

I think Austrian's potential is sometimes hindered by LH and their FRA/MUC priorities, which is a pity, because I think Austrian has a much better product overall.
 
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Fri Sep 16, 2016 8:36 pm

ua900 wrote:
I see OS more as a connector for pretty much all of SE Europe.


Don't forget OS Middle Eastern destinations, especially the latest one which joined its network (THR), these make from LAX a perfect match !
 
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Fri Sep 16, 2016 8:52 pm

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Probably can start with a few basic factors
1) Lufthansa Group sees a strong market open to expansion
2) Expand the Austrian brand
3) Aircraft is available
4) Seeing demand for LAX to Vienna traffic, enough to look into a nonstop option


I'd like to comment on this too. Consider the scenario:
--LH already runs 2x daily on FRA-LAX (A380 + B747), and LX operates a 777 to ZRH.
--They see demand in the network for more capacity to LAX, but can't really upgauge the current flights, so they need another frequency.
--They could add another flight to the FRA mega-hub, but they already have flights in the preferred time slots and connection banks. A third flight would end up in an uncompetitive time slot.

So, what are the options? They look around at the other hubs, and see that there is an opportunity to add a flight to VIE in a desirable slot. VIE serves a new O&D market, while also serving most of the same connecting markets available at FRA. As a bonus, the connection times work out much better in VIE for some of those markets, winning new business. (Some destinations served by both hubs likely have better service at VIE.) Some capacity shifts to VIE, creating room for growth at FRA. Everybody wins.

At some point, route planners have to consider the health and balance of the broader network, and the secondary hubs of an airline (or group) are a big part of that balance.
 
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Fri Sep 16, 2016 9:46 pm

Since everyone is talking about their great SE Europe network here; which flights will connect to the arrival of lax-vie around noon time?
 
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stylo777 wrote:
Since everyone is talking about their great SE Europe network here; which flights will connect to the arrival of lax-vie around noon time?


Virtually all South-Eastern / Eastern European capitals and lots of other cities that OS flies to short haul ex-VIE have connections available starting at around 1250pm (you'd probably want an hour minimum anyway to make it a legal connection) and throughout the afternoon and evening, e.g. OTP, SOF, BEG, ZAG, BUD, PRG, WAW, SJJ, SKP, TIA...

Is there as much variety of destinations with OS as with LH in FRA? Probably not ;-), but OS is a smaller carrier and still manages to cover SE Europe quite nicely. I even flew OS LED-VIE on a Fokker 100 in J cabin a couple of weeks ago. Can't complain.
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Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:57 pm

No one has mentioned Armenia in this thread yet. The only options from LAX right now are Skyteam (CDG or SVO) to get to EVN.
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No one has mentioned Armenia in this thread yet. The only options from LAX right now are Skyteam (CDG or SVO) to get to EVN.


Right you are.

Half that 772 will be filled with Armenians going to EVN !
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Re: Austrian to start LAX

Fri Sep 16, 2016 11:20 pm

redzeppelin wrote:
At some point, route planners have to consider the health and balance of the broader network, and the secondary hubs of an airline (or group) are a big part of that balance.


...and I would *love* to see LAX-BRU on SN happen someday for these reasons.
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adamh8297
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Re: Austrian to start LAX

Sat Sep 17, 2016 12:04 am

Thenoflyzone wrote:
adamh8297 wrote:
No one has mentioned Armenia in this thread yet. The only options from LAX right now are Skyteam (CDG or SVO) to get to EVN.


Right you are.

Half that 772 will be filled with Armenians going to EVN !


I cannot believe FRA/LHR-EVN does not exist.
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Re: Austrian to start LAX

Sat Sep 17, 2016 12:21 am

adamh8297 wrote:

I cannot believe FRA/LHR-EVN does not exist.


Both routes were flown before but abandoned.

LHR-EVN was flown for a good 15 years or so. I flew that route back in 2000 when it was operated by BMED. There was a stop over in TBS. The whole BMED >BMI> BA saga assured that route's demise i guess. Yields were too low for a carrier like BA to operate the route on its own metal. They have better use of an LHR slot pair. In fact, BA has pretty much canned most of the former BMED routes (ESB, EVN, TBS, ALA, GYD, ADD, ALY etc)

As for FRA-EVN, plenty of Armenian carriers have flown that route for 20+ years, but as for LH, they tried it a few years back but it was short lived. They figured consolidating their EVN ops out of VIE made more sense. OS was already serving EVN well before LH decided to give it a go, so the market was already well established from VIE.

As I said, plenty of Armenian carriers have flown to Germany. Armenian Airlines, Armenian International Airways and later Armavia flew FRA-EVN for years.

I've flown between FRA and EVN with Armenian Airlines back in 1998 with an IL-86. That's one ride I'll never forget.
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Re: Austrian to start LAX

Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:29 am

Great to hear! This will make OS a much more viable option for those of us on the West Coast.

I just flew Austrian for the first time a few weeks ago on FRA-VIE and VIE-MIA and was very impressed by the ease of VIE and the service...well, except for one FA whose response to my drink order for water with ice was filling a cup with water, handing it to me and saying, "Ice takes a while." Other than that though, it was easily one of the best long-hauls I'd ever taken! Pleased to see them expanding.
 
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Re: Austrian to start LAX

Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:38 am

ORDSpotter7 wrote:
ORD flight's use a 772

VIE-ORD is downgauged to a 767 from mid-October. Apparently it is a permanent change, not seasonal.
 
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Re: Austrian to start LAX

Sat Sep 17, 2016 9:59 am

intotheair wrote:
redzeppelin wrote:
At some point, route planners have to consider the health and balance of the broader network, and the secondary hubs of an airline (or group) are a big part of that balance.


...and I would *love* to see LAX-BRU on SN happen someday for these reasons.


Hmm, a LAX-BRU could probably happen. Is there a large African population out of California that can be tapped into? Would also help with the addition of BOM into the SN fold.
 
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Re: Austrian to start LAX

Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:09 am

Cassi wrote:
ORDSpotter7 wrote:
ORD flight's use a 772

VIE-ORD is downgauged to a 767 from mid-October. Apparently it is a permanent change, not seasonal.


That was what I was referring to in a post above. The CEO of Austrian, Kay Kratky, has said there will be cutbacks and that his airline will not continue loss-making routes. So besides a capacity reduction we could see one or more US destinations being dropped for 2017.
 
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Re: Austrian to start LAX

Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:19 pm

...looking at yesterdays operation, there are as mentioned many flights to destinations "South or East" of VIE after 12:30.
But I think the departure bank in the evening after 20:00 has some more "interesting" O/D's for LAX.



FLNO TYPE FROM TO STD
OS 645 DH4 VIE IAS 12:35
OS 655 100 VIE KIV 12:35
OS 809 320 VIE SKG 12:35
OS 501 320 VIE FCO 12:45
OS 611 319 VIE LED 12:45
OS 727 100 VIE TGD 12:45
OS 847 320 VIE TIA 12:45
OS 531 DH4 VIE FLR 12:50
OS 731 321 VIE DBV 12:50
OS 785 F70 VIE SBZ 12:50
OS 905 DH4 VIE INN 12:50
OS 623 DH4 VIE WAW 12:55
OS 707 DH4 VIE PRG 12:55
OS 381 DH4 VIE LWO 13:00
OS 597 100 VIE KRK 13:00
OS 683 100 VIE ZAG 13:00
OS 741 DH4 VIE KSC 13:00
OS 773 E95 VIE BEG 13:05
OS 745 321 VIE SPU 13:10
OS 757 319 VIE SJJ 13:10
OS 9403 100 VIE PMO 14:10
OS 581 F70 VIE GVA 15:15
OS 513 CR9 VIE MXP 15:20
OS 791 320 VIE OTP 15:20
OS 797 320 VIE SOF 15:20
OS 563 320 VIE ZRH 15:25
OS 735 DH4 VIE BEG 16:45
OS 709 F70 VIE PRG 17:10
OS 923 DH4 VIE SZG 17:10
OS 901 100 VIE INN 17:15
OS 955 DH4 VIE LNZ 17:15
OS 529 DH4 VIE VCE 17:20
OS 677 E95 VIE ZAG 17:20
OS 721 DH4 VIE BUD 17:20
OS 787 319 VIE OTP 17:35
OS 793 E95 VIE SOF 17:35
OS 631 100 VIE WAW 17:45
OS 711 DH4 VIE PRG 20:00
OS 973 F70 VIE GRZ 20:00
OS 767 320 VIE OTP 20:10
OS 871 320 VIE IKA 20:10
OS 759 320 VIE SJJ 20:20
OS 799 320 VIE SOF 20:25
OS 859 321 VIE TLV 20:25
OS 769 319 VIE PRN 20:30
OS 689 100 VIE MSQ 20:35
OS 835 321 VIE LCA 20:35
OS 913 100 VIE INN 20:35
OS 599 100 VIE KRK 20:40
OS 605 320 VIE DME 20:40
OS 875 319 VIE IFN 20:45
OS 717 100 VIE BUD 21:15
OS 803 E95 VIE ATH 21:15
OS 657 320 VIE KIV 21:55
OS 919 100 VIE SZG 21:55
OS 743 320 VIE KSC 22:15
OS 641 321 VIE EVN 22:20
OS 667 E95 VIE KBP 22:20
OS 849 320 VIE TIA 22:20
OS 957 DH4 VIE LNZ 22:20
OS 975 319 VIE GRZ 22:45

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