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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Thu Sep 29, 2016 10:57 am

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An Air New Zealand flight from WGN to Hamilton returned to Wellington after both pilots were blinded temporarily by a laser.

It was a HLZ - WLG service and flight landed in WLG after the laser incident near Upper Hutt
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Thu Sep 29, 2016 9:04 pm

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An Air New Zealand flight from WGN to Hamilton returned to Wellington after both pilots were blinded temporarily by a laser.


Pls, it's WLG.

Auckland got struck as well, later on.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Thu Sep 29, 2016 9:51 pm

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Auckland got struck as well, later on.


Actually, a helicopter was targeted by laser over the Weymouth area of Auckland, the incident did not affect AKL.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Thu Sep 29, 2016 9:54 pm

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Actually, a helicopter was targeted by laser over the Weymouth area of Auckland, the incident did not affect AKL.


This one, seperate from the helicopter incident, affected AKL:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/artic ... d=11719787

"Laser strikes at international flights approaching Auckland Airport

A laser has been shone into the cockpits of several international flights approaching Auckland Airport this morning."


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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Fri Sep 30, 2016 12:55 am

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What? People still fly NZ? When I first flew with them in 2000 they were a premium carrier. Now they are just an LCC if not an ULCC. .


Really? I don't see in-flight advertising on overhead lockers or the seat in front of you? I don't see the safety card displayed as a sticker? I still find window shades and reclining seats. I still find seat select, inclusive meals, lounge, free check-in, complimentary bar service, carry on luggage, checked luggage. Naturally some of these get included when you purchase the works but at least you have the option of removing them if they are not important to you. Makes me wonder if you know what a LCC or ULCC is?


There is absolutely zero difference between NZ and JQ on trans-Tasman routes, except NZ's fare is $20 - 40 more expensive.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:48 am

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What? People still fly NZ? When I first flew with them in 2000 they were a premium carrier. Now they are just an LCC if not an ULCC. .


Really? I don't see in-flight advertising on overhead lockers or the seat in front of you? I don't see the safety card displayed as a sticker? I still find window shades and reclining seats. I still find seat select, inclusive meals, lounge, free check-in, complimentary bar service, carry on luggage, checked luggage. Naturally some of these get included when you purchase the works but at least you have the option of removing them if they are not important to you. Makes me wonder if you know what a LCC or ULCC is?


There is absolutely zero difference between NZ and JQ on trans-Tasman routes, except NZ's fare is $20 - 40 more expensive.


As far as what you see on-board perhaps. But NZ has interline agreements. Can't seem to book AKL-LON on JQ's website. My point being differences are sometimes more than just materialistic factors.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Fri Sep 30, 2016 9:43 am

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An Air New Zealand flight from WGN to Hamilton returned to Wellington after both pilots were blinded temporarily by a laser.


The plane was flying from Hamilton to Wellington when the incident happened over Upper Hutt. It landed OK @ WLG. I'm afraid your info is not correct ...
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:20 am

If I were to shoot at an airplane with a gun, I would be arrested and charged. These laser fruitcakes should suffer the same fate. Charge them as terrorists. I don't care if they are 13 - if they attempt to bring down an airliner at that age, what will they do at 23 or 33?
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Fri Sep 30, 2016 9:12 pm

what is the SQ fare for WLG-CBR-WLG in Y ?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sun Oct 02, 2016 8:15 am

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what is the SQ fare for WLG-CBR-WLG in Y ?

SQ currently have fares in Y from $392.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sun Oct 02, 2016 1:44 pm

As NZ configures their 789s, with a full load of passengers and cargo, do they have the legs to run AKL-SFO, AKL-LAX and AKL-IAH? Or would they have to cut back on the cargo load to make the runs?
 
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Sun Oct 02, 2016 3:53 pm

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As NZ configures their 789s, with a full load of passengers and cargo, do they have the legs to run AKL-SFO, AKL-LAX and AKL-IAH? Or would they have to cut back on the cargo load to make the runs?


Based on typical passenger aircraft belly cargo densities a 789 has a max payload of just under 46t. Its range with this payload is ~ 13hrs 20 min. So SFO/LAX-AKL present no problems since their typical sectors times are less than that. The payload IAH-AKL with its sector time ~14hrs 30min on a typical day would be ~41t.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sun Oct 02, 2016 6:25 pm

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NZ6 wrote:
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What? People still fly NZ? When I first flew with them in 2000 they were a premium carrier. Now they are just an LCC if not an ULCC. .


Really? I don't see in-flight advertising on overhead lockers or the seat in front of you? I don't see the safety card displayed as a sticker? I still find window shades and reclining seats. I still find seat select, inclusive meals, lounge, free check-in, complimentary bar service, carry on luggage, checked luggage. Naturally some of these get included when you purchase the works but at least you have the option of removing them if they are not important to you. Makes me wonder if you know what a LCC or ULCC is?


There is absolutely zero difference between NZ and JQ on trans-Tasman routes, except NZ's fare is $20 - 40 more expensive.


Apart from there is inflight entertainment provided for all pax on air nz with complimentary tv and music and games on a seat back entertainment system . Don't see that on JQ i do admit if you want to watch a video you have to pay unless it is on the work or above packages.

Also Air NZ only put in 28 rows on their aircraft JQ crams in 30 !
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Mon Oct 03, 2016 8:47 pm

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NZ6 wrote:

Really? I don't see in-flight advertising on overhead lockers or the seat in front of you? I don't see the safety card displayed as a sticker? I still find window shades and reclining seats. I still find seat select, inclusive meals, lounge, free check-in, complimentary bar service, carry on luggage, checked luggage. Naturally some of these get included when you purchase the works but at least you have the option of removing them if they are not important to you. Makes me wonder if you know what a LCC or ULCC is?


There is absolutely zero difference between NZ and JQ on trans-Tasman routes, except NZ's fare is $20 - 40 more expensive.


Apart from there is inflight entertainment provided for all pax on air nz with complimentary tv and music and games on a seat back entertainment system . Don't see that on JQ i do admit if you want to watch a video you have to pay unless it is on the work or above packages.

Also Air NZ only put in 28 rows on their aircraft JQ crams in 30 !


So I followed the pro/con NZ/QF discussion here, and while I am not an NZ fanboy (anymore anyway), I still think that they are the best option TransTasman (of the local carriers, i.e. NZ, QF, JQ, VA). I just flew AKL-SYD-AKL on QF, and boy was I disappointed with the seat comfort. The pitch appears to be extremely small. It might be the same in inches as the other airlines, but both ways it felt extremely cramped. Maybe it is indeed the difference between B738 and A320, though I thought that it was more the pitch than the width, since on the way over the middle seat was empty, and it still felt very tight. Indeed, as part of the same trip I also flew DPS-JOG and JOG-CGK on GA's B738, and they seemed to be significantly more comfortable.
In terms of service QF was good. AKL-SYD had a breakfast service, which was ok, but nothing great. SYD-AKL had a late lunch, and they had an amazing 3 options - all three of them looked very good, and my pork indeed was very tasty for an airline meal. Crews both ways were lovely.

In terms of the other major difference not mentioned in the discussion is the fact that NZ offers widebodies on the main trunk routes, which I always chose if it fits with the schedule. That, to me, is also the only advantage of EK, since their times are not good at all (I would have to "waste" two extra nights, since flights arrive in the evening in OZ, and leave in the morning - they are better times for Australians coming to New Zealand). Service on the two flights I had was ok, and overall I was distinctly underwhelmed by the hard product and service (it was pre-A380 though).

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Mon Oct 03, 2016 11:03 pm

[quote="Motorhussy"][
Map indicates 4000nm from AKL

You should set these maps up in ESAD. The westbound map would be more accurate if it was setup at about 3600 or 3700nm
 
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Mon Oct 03, 2016 11:14 pm

[quote="sunrisevalleyThe bar liquids are probably much heavier than the food. To get from OEW to DOW you must add in the weight of catering plus crew and their bags. For a 77E ~4t seems in the ball park ]

I dug back into some TK data. They use ~1200kg for crew weight and catering for a 180 seat A321. Probably would knock about 35 min off the OEW sector time. So at bit under 9hrs at OEW would be about 8rs 15min at DOW .
 
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Tue Oct 04, 2016 5:30 am

http://www.newshub.co.nz/business/whats ... 2016100313

North Korea seems to have gotten them self a hold of an Hamilton built P-750. Who would of every through an New Zealand made Aircraft would be apart of an North Korean Airshow.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:51 am

I'm glad that Vietnam is getting the 787's next year because I've just flown AKL-SGN and the 767's are looking shabby. They couldn't get the IFE to work. which was frustrating on such a long flight, and while they gave us each a $60 voucher, I'd rather have had the flight plan.

I think it's time for the Trellise Cooper uniforms to go, too. I've never liked them, Rob Fyfe's Folly, and now they're just dreary - the back of the men's waistcoats look like a bunch of rags stitched together. The staff, however, was impeccable, attentive, cheerful and friendly. A three meal service - lunch, afternoon sandwiches and then dinner - all very bland, in the Peter Gordon style, but you can't complain about the quantity.

Business class was completely full, but only about 50% down the back, I guess it's the end of the season. I hope the timing changes next year. I found it mildly frustrating that the flight arrives in SGN too late - I was told - for an allowable connection to HAN, which is where I was going, so I had to spend the night at SGN airport. The hotel was great but it wasn't where I wanted to be.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Tue Oct 04, 2016 1:54 pm

On the topic of NZ 767s - which one was it that had the IFE out on SGN-AKL? I am flying DPS-AKL on Saturday (8th) and am praying for something functional. Haven't been on a 763 for a while now and was kinda relishing the chance to have one last stab at it before they are retired.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Tue Oct 04, 2016 2:00 pm

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On the topic of NZ 767s - which one was it that had the IFE out on SGN-AKL? I am flying DPS-AKL on Saturday (8th) and am praying for something functional. Haven't been on a 763 for a while now and was kinda relishing the chance to have one last stab at it before they are retired.


It was AKL-SGN last Saturday, 1 October, but I don't know the rego, sorry.

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Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:42 pm

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I think it's time for the Trellise Cooper uniforms to go, too. I've never liked them,


Agreed. They're awful.

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Rob Fyfe's Folly


Wasn't Fyfe responsible for the Liz Findlay/Zambesi design?
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Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:15 pm

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Wasn't Fyfe responsible for the Liz Findlay/Zambesi design?


Both, perhaps? Fyfe became CEO in 2005 and the Zambezi Grey was introduced in October 2005.

http://www.airnewzealand.com.au/press-r ... rm-16oct05

Although I guess the process could have been started pre-Fyfe. Then in 2010 Zambezi was ditched and we got the original version of Trelise Cooper, which caused a lot of controversy;

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/3216871 ... ie-uniform

Air New Zealand reveals new 'Barbie' uniform Thunderbirds are out and "drag queen" Barbie is in.

Air New Zealand revealed last night its new "concept" uniform design – complete with a candyfloss pink colour scheme – created by Kiwi fashion designer Trelise Cooper.


And was "calmed down" before being introduced in 2011.

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Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:38 pm

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Wasn't Fyfe responsible for the Liz Findlay/Zambesi design?


Both, perhaps? Fyfe became CEO in 2005 and the Zambezi Grey was introduced in October 2005.

http://www.airnewzealand.com.au/press-r ... rm-16oct05

Although I guess the process could have been started pre-Fyfe. Then in 2010 Zambezi was ditched and we got the original version of Trelise Cooper, which caused a lot of controversy;

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/3216871 ... ie-uniform

Air New Zealand reveals new 'Barbie' uniform Thunderbirds are out and "drag queen" Barbie is in.

Air New Zealand revealed last night its new "concept" uniform design – complete with a candyfloss pink colour scheme – created by Kiwi fashion designer Trelise Cooper.


And was "calmed down" before being introduced in 2011.

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Fyfe was CIO under Norris prior to becoming CEO himself. While he was CIO Fyfe was in essence an organisational project strategist, and lead various projects including the 772ER purchase, introduction of the current business class seats, introduction of premium economy and of course the "new" uniforms.
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Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:45 pm

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You should set these maps up in ESAD. The westbound map would be more accurate if it was setup at about 3600 or 3700nm


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Bali is clearly out, but PER from CHC and AKL is surely a winner as is PPT. But would it be viable ordering a few LR's for those routes?
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nd of course the "new" uniforms.


He's a bit of a snappy dresser himself.
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Tue Oct 04, 2016 11:51 pm

PPT is a 787 market - TN are replacing their 340s with them too.. It would not be worth flying an oddball 321LR with a different configuration from the rest of the "standard" 321s. It is way better to stick with a 787 in current not new config.
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Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:49 am

[[quote="MotorhussyBali is clearly out, but PER from CHC and AKL is surely a winner as is PPT. But would it be viable ordering a few LR's for those routes?[/quote]]


why would the A321 in any variant be considered for AKL-PER-AKL ? In CY2015 according to BITRE average load per flight was 267 passengers and ~9t of cargo This something like a 88% passenger load factor for the 789. In fact better than the overall TT load factor through AKL.
 
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Wed Oct 05, 2016 1:20 am

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On the topic of NZ 767s - which one was it that had the IFE out on SGN-AKL? I am flying DPS-AKL on Saturday (8th) and am praying for something functional. Haven't been on a 763 for a while now and was kinda relishing the chance to have one last stab at it before they are retired.


It was AKL-SGN last Saturday, 1 October, but I don't know the rego, sorry.

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According to another web site, it was ZK-NCI.
 
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Wed Oct 05, 2016 3:50 am

ZK-OXM, the final A320ceo, has been built.

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I think it's time for the Trellise Cooper uniforms to go, too. I've never liked them, Rob Fyfe's Folly, and now they're just dreary - the back of the men's waistcoats look like a bunch of rags stitched together.

I'm just the opposite; I've only started to like the men's waistcoat in the last couple of months.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Wed Oct 05, 2016 2:18 pm

I have a question about NZ business premier seating on the 789. Just flew AKL-SIN my first sector in business on the new aircraft, my previous flight having been in premium economy. I was in 1k. My sense of it was that the seat seemed tighter than on the 772 and 77W with the angle to the drinks holder tray very awkward with regard to how far behind the seat it was and nowhere to reliably put a glass for pre-takeoff drinks without pulling out the tray table. Also the angle to the screen seemed tighter when it was stowed for landing and I noticed other passengers struggling with this too. Is it my imagination or has the architecture changed slightly? The angle seems extreme and means you are looking at everybody else! No privacy. Compared to SQ or LX or NH business which I have flown recently it seemed really tight. Can anybody illuminate and does anybody know if / when NZ are looking to a new seat for their premium cabin?
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Wed Oct 05, 2016 3:09 pm

The 787 has a more acute angle in Biz class. due fuselage cross section being unable to facilitate 3 across with herringbone without it. AC/DL had similar on their 763 vs 777. I have not heard of a new seat yet, but I would like to see a more conventional seat return.
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Wed Oct 05, 2016 7:06 pm

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[The 787 has a more acute angle in Biz class. due fuselage cross section being unable to facilitate 3 across with herringbone without it. AC/DL had similar on their 763 vs 777. I have not heard of a new seat yet, but I would like to see a more conventional seat return.]


Is this something that might be changed when the 270+- seat version is introduced
 
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Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:40 pm

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Can anybody illuminate and does anybody know if / when NZ are looking to a new seat for their premium cabin?

I'd imagine NZ will start the process for a new Business seat sometime after 27 October (when QF announce their 787 seating)
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Wed Oct 05, 2016 10:09 pm

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Can anybody illuminate and does anybody know if / when NZ are looking to a new seat for their premium cabin?

I'd imagine NZ will start the process for a new Business seat sometime after 27 October (when QF announce their 787 seating)


Really? Do NZ particularly care what QF do? They will refit the 77W next year with fresh seats, and the 77E has just been done and the 789 is new, personally I can't see NZ changing J seats anytime soon probably 4-5 years atleast.
 
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Wed Oct 05, 2016 10:38 pm

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Can anybody illuminate and does anybody know if / when NZ are looking to a new seat for their premium cabin?

I'd imagine NZ will start the process for a new Business seat sometime after 27 October (when QF announce their 787 seating)


Really? Do NZ particularly care what QF do? They will refit the 77W next year with fresh seats, and the 77E has just been done and the 789 is new, personally I can't see NZ changing J seats anytime soon probably 4-5 years atleast.

I hope they do care what QF does because they have to compete. NZ's business seating is going to fall behind other AU/NZ - NA carriers very quickly. Their current seat is already getting dated. I do really hope they don't just put "fresh" seats in the 77Ws next year, but take the opportunity to launch something more competitive. Something that could also be used on a more premium heavy 787 config.
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Wed Oct 05, 2016 11:56 pm

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I'd imagine NZ will start the process for a new Business seat sometime after 27 October (when QF announce their 787 seating)


Really? Do NZ particularly care what QF do? They will refit the 77W next year with fresh seats, and the 77E has just been done and the 789 is new, personally I can't see NZ changing J seats anytime soon probably 4-5 years atleast.

I hope they do care what QF does because they have to compete. NZ's business seating is going to fall behind other AU/NZ - NA carriers very quickly. Their current seat is already getting dated. I do really hope they don't just put "fresh" seats in the 77Ws next year, but take the opportunity to launch something more competitive. Something that could also be used on a more premium heavy 787 config.


Of course they watch what their competitors are doing but in regards to product not everyone is going to prefer the same seat while some will take J as J Y as Y etc. NZ are competitive in that they have remained profitable through difficult times, it will be interesting to see how they go with so many new carriers to NZ.
 
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Thu Oct 06, 2016 1:25 am

[quote="aerohottie[I hope they do care what QF does because they have to compete. NZ's business seating is going to fall behind other AU/NZ - NA carriers very quickly. Their current seat is already getting dated. I do really hope they don't just put "fresh" seats in the 77Ws next year, but take the opportunity to launch something more competitive. Something that could also be used on a more premium heavy 787 config]

QF are said to be fitting their 789 out with considerably fewer seats than the new NZ version due next year. This probably allows them considerably more latitude in seat design choices. The NZ layout at 270+- is still fairly tight. Need to look at the J offering from VA, AA UA AF etc. to see what the choices are.
 
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Thu Oct 06, 2016 1:27 am

Any update on LAS, DEN, EWR, or ORD?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Thu Oct 06, 2016 1:38 am

NZ confirms Wifi for the 320,777,787 fleets from 2017.

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NZ confirms Wifi for the 320,777,787 fleets from 2017.

http://www.ausbt.com.au/air-new-zealand ... et-in-2017


great news. As long as it is free like EK, not like SQ which charges a heap for it.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Thu Oct 06, 2016 5:47 am

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zkncj wrote:
NZ confirms Wifi for the 320,777,787 fleets from 2017.

http://www.ausbt.com.au/air-new-zealand ... et-in-2017


great news. As long as it is free like EK, not like SQ which charges a heap for it.


I though EK was 10MB free then you pay in blocks of 500MB? That's what I read. Haven't flown them in a while.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Thu Oct 06, 2016 6:08 am

aerorobnz wrote:
great news. As long as it is free like EK, not like SQ which charges a heap for it.


I would argue that while it would be nice if it were free, it'd also mean it'd be slower. Whilst passengers on a long overnight flight to LAX, SFO, YVR, etc... may be more inclined to sleep or watch a movie rather than use the internet (meaning internet connection would not be too much slower), on a daytime flight (domestic NZ, AU, Pacific Islands, Asia) more passengers will take advantage of the time in the air to use the wifi which means more bandwidth is used which makes the connection slower.

If NZ used a model where it is free for Airpoints Elite (possibly gold also), Koru members and Business class passengers, while being discounted (or free) for PE passengers and then $5 - $25 for Y passengers depending on length of flight. There would also be the pricing for certain amounts of time or for certain amounts of data.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Thu Oct 06, 2016 7:03 am

ZK-NCL has left Auckland for the final time. There's some photos here of her arriving in Alice Springs.

http://www.facebook.com/groups/AusAircr ... 941452606/


aerorobnz wrote:

great news. As long as it is free like EK, not like SQ which charges a heap for it.


Given that the article quotes the airline's 'Chief Revenue Officer' I'm going to assume that they're going to charge for it. Hopefully not though.

Arch-competitor Qantas has indicated its own WiFi service – due to start later this year – will be free of charge to all passengers.


Once again, Qantas gives customers better value than Air New Zealand.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Thu Oct 06, 2016 1:19 pm

[quote="zkojq"]ZK-NCL has left Auckland for the final time. There's some photos here of her arriving in Alice Springs.]

Is this one destined to Icelandic?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Thu Oct 06, 2016 1:27 pm

[Once again, Qantas gives customers better value than Air New Zealand.]

How do you know? You appear to have made an assumption that NZ will charge for the service.
 
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Thu Oct 06, 2016 2:01 pm

I think the market will dictate that it becomes part of the works product and pay per use for seat only. With QF/EK/SQ on tasman all with wifi.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Fri Oct 07, 2016 11:31 am

aerorobnz wrote:
I think the market will dictate that it becomes part of the works product and pay per use for seat only. With QF/EK/SQ on tasman all with wifi.

I guess that would work. As an aside, I'm always curious as to what %age of NZ's transtasman pax travel on a Seat or Seat + Bag fare. It wouldn't be more than 10%, would it?
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Fri Oct 07, 2016 2:16 pm

zkojq wrote:
aerorobnz wrote:
I think the market will dictate that it becomes part of the works product and pay per use for seat only. With QF/EK/SQ on tasman all with wifi.

I guess that would work. As an aside, I'm always curious as to what %age of NZ's transtasman pax travel on a Seat or Seat + Bag fare. It wouldn't be more than 10%, would it?


It varies flight to flight but if you take out international connections with Works I reckon it's well in favour of seat only for point to point traffic. In my household we always pay for Works or fly QF/EK rather than have the pathetic range of food vendors at the airport for the outlay that easily can exceed the initial difference between seat and works..
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Fri Oct 07, 2016 9:43 pm

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Business class was completely full, but only about 50% down the back

mariner


I can assure you that Business class being full is upgrades and staff.

You won't see any A321-LR's either. In fact you may see less A321's than what you may be expecting.

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