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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Fri Oct 07, 2016 10:43 pm

Auckland airport is being evacuated again after a false alarm.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sat Oct 08, 2016 1:12 am

[quote="NZ6
[I can assure you that Business class being full is upgrades and staff. ]

Sounds like QF's F class

[You won't see any A321-LR's either. In fact you may see less A321's than what you may be expecting.]

The 789 and 77E picking up more TT rotations?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sat Oct 08, 2016 2:46 am

NZ6 wrote:
I can assure you that Business class being full is upgrades and staff.


Okay, that doesn't surprise me. I'm pretty sure that was true of HAN-CDG as well, given the fun and games that happened at boarding. - LOL.

NZ6 wrote:
You won't see any A321-LR's either. In fact you may see less A321's than what you may be expecting.


I'm not expecting many or any. Anything I've ever said about the A321LR at (Air NZ) was prefaced with "if".

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sat Oct 08, 2016 7:54 pm

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NZ6 wrote:
You won't see any A321-LR's either. In fact you may see less A321's than what you may be expecting.


I'm not expecting many or any. Anything I've ever said about the A321LR at (Air NZ) was prefaced with "if".

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To clarify I mean A321 let alone the LR variant.

Re the premium class upgrades. The -200's just got done 787 are new and still arriving and the -300's are being done next year. So you won't see a change in product for many years.

Makes me wonder if you realise just how many millions go into a refit program.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sun Oct 09, 2016 3:00 am

NZ6 wrote:
To clarify I mean A321 let alone the LR variant.


I understood that and I'm not sure why it's an issue. The fleet will be what the fleet will be.

NZ6 wrote:
Re the premium class upgrades. The -200's just got done 787 are new and still arriving and the -300's are being done next year. So you won't see a change in product for many years.

Makes me wonder if you realise just how many millions go into a refit program.


I don't think I've mentioned premium class upgrades, they don't concern me, but since you have, I thought the amenities bag - the bag itself not the contents - was really cheap and tacky.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sun Oct 09, 2016 3:08 am

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The 789 and 77E picking up more TT rotations?


NZ has recently stated the 772/789 would be picking up more TT/PI rotations over the next year as the 763 leaves the fleet, most flights ex-AKL on these routes have been fairly full lately.

Maybe we'll see the A321NEO be used more to expand routes like SYD-CHC and AKL-ADL?

Whats the chance that NZ picks un another couple of 789s sicne they do have a couple of options.
 
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Sun Oct 09, 2016 6:38 am

zkncj wrote:
sunrisevalley wrote:

The 789 and 77E picking up more TT rotations?


NZ has recently stated the 772/789 would be picking up more TT/PI rotations over the next year as the 763 leaves the fleet, most flights ex-AKL on these routes have been fairly full lately.

Maybe we'll see the A321NEO be used more to expand routes like SYD-CHC and AKL-ADL?

Whats the chance that NZ picks un another couple of 789s sicne they do have a couple of options.


I doubt A321NEO will be regular on ADL being its only 4-5 weekly bar 2-3 months of the year when it's daily. I'd say it will be mainly used ex AKL to SYD/MEL/BNE and some busier PI flights.

I think quite likely some 789's exercised soonish.
 
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Sun Oct 09, 2016 7:27 am

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NZ6 wrote:
To clarify I mean A321 let alone the LR variant.


I understood that and I'm not sure why it's an issue. The fleet will be what the fleet will be.

NZ6 wrote:
Re the premium class upgrades. The -200's just got done 787 are new and still arriving and the -300's are being done next year. So you won't see a change in product for many years.

Makes me wonder if you realise just how many millions go into a refit program.


I don't think I've mentioned premium class upgrades, they don't concern me, but since you have, I thought the amenities bag - the bag itself not the contents - was really cheap and tacky.

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None of my comments were directed at you directly but more the conversation. quoted a reference point from the conversation. Apologies if you took that as an attack towards you.

you will see a small fleet of A321 and a larger fleet of A320NEO. The 21 variant will be used on some SYD / MEL runs but ZQN will not see them.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:48 am

There's some sort of Air Force exercise taking place over Auckland tonight.
RAAF Beech Super King Air 350 A32-439 took off from Whenuapai as ASY760 and has done over 30 circuits east of Pukekohe at 8,000 ft. There's also been what sounds like an Orion passing over here at full power several times, but that's not showing up on flightradar24.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sun Oct 09, 2016 12:16 pm

NZ6 wrote:
you will see a small fleet of A321 and a larger fleet of A320NEO.

Is this your opinion based on the 02 June 2014 Air NZ Press Release of a minimum of three A321NEO, or do you have more recent information?

The reason I'm asking is because about two weeks ago another Air NZ employee agreed with 'ZK-NBT' that about two thirds of the order will be A321NEOs.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sun Oct 09, 2016 2:10 pm

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None of my comments were directed at you directly but more the conversation. quoted a reference point from the conversation. Apologies if you took that as an attack towards you.


I was just puzzled and confused because your points didn't seem to be in reference to anything I had said.

I try to avoid predictions about Air NZ (or any airline) because I don't have any insider info nor can I predict the future. I just deal with what comes along.

Having just flown on the A350, for example, I'd love to see a few in the Air NZ fleet, but I think the chances of that happening are less than zero so there's little point in harping on it.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sun Oct 09, 2016 6:35 pm

I have been looking at the AKL-IAH-AKL figures and for the first 6 months of the calendar year the average passengers outbound per flight was ~297 and inbound 263. Freight was 6.15t out and 3.5t in. The outbound figure is a L/F of ~95%. Does this suggest a need for increased frequency or one or two 77W rotations each week in place of the 77E? I does not seem likely that the 789 in either seating configs. has the capacity unless the frequency is increased to daily. What do others think?
 
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Sun Oct 09, 2016 6:48 pm

sunrisevalley wrote:
Does this suggest a need for increased frequency or one or two 77W rotations each week in place of the 77E? I does not seem likely that the 789 in either seating configs. has the capacity unless the frequency is increased to daily. What do others think?


Supposedly 2017 will see some increase in capacity to both IAH and EZE:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU1609/S ... tition.htm

"Luxon said the airline would grow its overall network capacity 4-to-6 percent in 2017.

Domestic network capacity will rise by 7-9%, mainly in increased flights to Queenstown and Dunedin, lift by 3-5% across the Tasman and to the Pacific, mainly to Honolulu, and by 4-6% on the international long-haul network, with over two-thirds coming from the new Houston and Buenos Aires routes."


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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Mon Oct 10, 2016 4:34 am

Does NZ have any more 77W options left? Could we see a top up order of 2 or 3? I bet Boeing will do them a good deal on 77W to help fill the gap to the 8 and 9
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Mon Oct 10, 2016 7:14 am

I hope not. 77W is a great plane (don't get me wrong) but that 10 abreast down the back is just unfortunate for such long routes. I've been a Gold / Gold Elite flyer for a number of years and since the intro of the 10 abreast and my first two and only experiences first on EK and then NZ I've been avoiding it, flying premium economy and upgrading where I can, buying a discount business fare or booking with other airlines. While I love the 77W I think the average NZ flyer needs a better experience down the back and wish they would consider the A35J.
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Mon Oct 10, 2016 8:30 am

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Does NZ have any more 77W options left? Could we see a top up order of 2 or 3? I bet Boeing will do them a good deal on 77W to help fill the gap to the 8 and 9

A year ago could have been useful. Now however they have quite a few 789 freeing up the 77E which in turn frees up some 77W capacity. The 778/9 is not too far away so it is unlikely that NZ would order more 77W now. They will eventually move to a fleet of 789 + 779 along with either 7810/778 (probably not both). The 778/9 helps to solve the 10 across problem by having a wider cabin (thinner walls) not a huge difference but enough to make a difference.
By then I see them ordering 8x 779 to go with 14x 789 and 8x 7810/778 all in place by 2025 (barring another large global recession).
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:44 am

Zkpilot wrote:
77west wrote:
Does NZ have any more 77W options left? Could we see a top up order of 2 or 3? I bet Boeing will do them a good deal on 77W to help fill the gap to the 8 and 9

A year ago could have been useful. Now however they have quite a few 789 freeing up the 77E which in turn frees up some 77W capacity. The 778/9 is not too far away so it is unlikely that NZ would order more 77W now. They will eventually move to a fleet of 789 + 779 along with either 7810/778 (probably not both). The 778/9 helps to solve the 10 across problem by having a wider cabin (thinner walls) not a huge difference but enough to make a difference.
By then I see them ordering 8x 779 to go with 14x 789 and 8x 7810/778 all in place by 2025 (barring another large global recession).


7810 would certainly work on Asian routes, not on the Americas however. The 778 would be quite good on AKL-IAH and similar. Would not be totally surprised to see 778 replace 772.

I am not so sure a mix of 778 and 7810 would be that bad - the 7810 is very close to a 789 in terms of commonality (far more so than 788) and would suet Aus / Asia routes quite nicely, with the 778 having the grunt to do the Americas. How about a future fleet of 8 779, 14 789, 6 7810, 6 778. That's sort of only 2 types if you think about it, 778/9 and 789/10.

I still think a 77W or 2 could work in the interim, especially with the refurbs coming up next year.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Mon Oct 10, 2016 5:46 pm

My figuring on the 78X ( official designated of the 787-10) is that it would be fine on a 332 seat passenger layout LAX/SFO-AKL at present L/F's but come up short on cargo payload into LAX but would work on a typical day into SFO where the in and outbound cargo loads are lighter. The cargo loads at LAX are unclear. The statistics show total cargo in and out and the number of revenue movements. There is no differentiation between AKL to and from and LHR to and from . The average CY 2016 through August was 14.63t per flight. Certainly it would work well into China where payloads on a typical day would be about ~ 42t. Perhaps would allow reconfiguring some 789's on a one for one basis to 270+- seat configuration. But with a fleet of young 77W's and not too old 77E's it might be a long time before there is a place for them. Could be clearer when the start of the 77E departures is known.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Tue Oct 11, 2016 5:04 am

NZ53 had to go around on approach to AKL because the
Air China A332 was still on the runway
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Tue Oct 11, 2016 5:25 am

This kind of thing is happening more and more now that the airport is routinely inadequately supplied with gates, hardstands and you can have 3-4 aircraft all holding for their respective gates/layovers. Airways have very few places to put anything when they close taxiways to park planes.
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Tue Oct 11, 2016 6:40 am

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This kind of thing is happening more and more now that the airport is routinely inadequately supplied with gates, hardstands and you can have 3-4 aircraft all holding for their respective gates/layovers. Airways have very few places to put anything when they close taxiways to park planes.


I'm not disputing your point but what does that have to do with an aircraft still on the runway? That can happen at any airport if the aircraft takes longer to take off than ATC expected.
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2016 7:02 am

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aerorobnz wrote:
This kind of thing is happening more and more now that the airport is routinely inadequately supplied with gates, hardstands and you can have 3-4 aircraft all holding for their respective gates/layovers. Airways have very few places to put anything when they close taxiways to park planes.


I'm not disputing your point but what does that have to do with an aircraft still on the runway? That can happen at any airport if the aircraft takes longer to take off than ATC expected.


I'm using a bogstandard goaround to grandstand about a related issue...;-)
What I am suggesting is that restricted ground operations restrict runway operations which restrict takeoff/landing and limit the efficiency of Airways Corp ATC. I have talked to ATC operators at Auckland who have stated that their ability to clear taxiways/runways is being adversely affected by having too many aircraft occupy both International and domestic gates and hardstands with little in the way of overflow and taxiways being closed to allow extra parking etc (which there was today at the time of this goaaround). The congestion has contributed previously to runway conflicts which ATC have managed by enforcing goarounds and looping in holding patterns.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Tue Oct 11, 2016 8:09 am

And the Air China had just landed, not in the process of taking off, just for clarification
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Tue Oct 11, 2016 8:11 am

Just for clarification the Air China was landing
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Tue Oct 11, 2016 10:55 am

sunrisevalley wrote:
why would the A321 in any variant be considered for AKL-PER-AKL ? In CY2015 according to BITRE average load per flight was 267 passengers and ~9t of cargo This something like a 88% passenger load factor for the 789. In fact better than the overall TT load factor through AKL.


Oh use your imagination! It's a range chart based on AKL, but demonstrates that all of New Zealand is good from PER. So think of CHC and/or WLG as being viable destination points for PER.
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Tue Oct 11, 2016 7:36 pm

sunrisevalley wrote:
My figuring on the 78X ( official designated of the 787-10) is that it would be fine on a 332 seat passenger layout LAX/SFO-AKL at present L/F's but come up short on cargo payload into LAX but would work on a typical day into SFO where the in and outbound cargo loads are lighter. The cargo loads at LAX are unclear. The statistics show total cargo in and out and the number of revenue movements. There is no differentiation between AKL to and from and LHR to and from . The average CY 2016 through August was 14.63t per flight. Certainly it would work well into China where payloads on a typical day would be about ~ 42t. Perhaps would allow reconfiguring some 789's on a one for one basis to 270+- seat configuration. But with a fleet of young 77W's and not too old 77E's it might be a long time before there is a place for them. Could be clearer when the start of the 77E departures is known.

I doubt we would see the 78X in LAX anyway as double daily 77W/778/779 would cover it (particularly with additional destinations (DEN/ORD/SEA/NYC - 1 or 2 of those) coming on stream. Likewise SFO would probably account for a 777 also. The 78X would be for medium distance flights (Asia, HNL, PER etc). That said I feel by the time it comes into service there will be some performance bumps etc with extra range tweaked (same goes for newer 789s).
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Tue Oct 11, 2016 9:13 pm

Zkpilot wrote:
sunrisevalley wrote:
77W/778/779 would cover it .


I'm hoping that at the point in the future when they decide on the Nth America fleet replacement (77E and 77W) that NZ will be looking very seriously at the A350 family. The A351 for the 77W and the A359LR for the 77E. Having true competition on the routes now, the airline needs to be able to offer more compelling reasons to choose the NZ over AA and UA. The wider seats and more comfortable cabin of the A350 is a good one to communicate, plus the economics of the aircraft should be a compelling proposition for the bean counters.

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Tue Oct 11, 2016 10:19 pm

mariner wrote:
sunrisevalley wrote:
Does this suggest a need for increased frequency or one or two 77W rotations each week in place of the 77E? I does not seem likely that the 789 in either seating configs. has the capacity unless the frequency is increased to daily. What do others think?


Supposedly 2017 will see some increase in capacity to both IAH and EZE:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU1609/S ... tition.htm

"Luxon said the airline would grow its overall network capacity 4-to-6 percent in 2017.

Domestic network capacity will rise by 7-9%, mainly in increased flights to Queenstown and Dunedin, lift by 3-5% across the Tasman and to the Pacific, mainly to Honolulu, and by 4-6% on the international long-haul network, with over two-thirds coming from the new Houston and Buenos Aires routes."


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Also a good connection point to Europe via SQs flight to MAN from IAH - which only works well if both routes are daily.
 
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Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:22 am

DobboDobbo wrote:
mariner wrote:
sunrisevalley wrote:
Does this suggest a need for increased frequency or one or two 77W rotations each week in place of the 77E? I does not seem likely that the 789 in either seating configs. has the capacity unless the frequency is increased to daily. What do others think?


Supposedly 2017 will see some increase in capacity to both IAH and EZE:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU1609/S ... tition.htm

"Luxon said the airline would grow its overall network capacity 4-to-6 percent in 2017.

Domestic network capacity will rise by 7-9%, mainly in increased flights to Queenstown and Dunedin, lift by 3-5% across the Tasman and to the Pacific, mainly to Honolulu, and by 4-6% on the international long-haul network, with over two-thirds coming from the new Houston and Buenos Aires routes."


mariner


Also a good connection point to Europe via SQs flight to MAN from IAH - which only works well if both routes are daily.

Works with LH to FRA also.
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Wed Oct 12, 2016 3:46 am

In part 166, it was said that UA were going to go daily on the B789 in October. I haven't heard anything recently, so any updates on that?
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Wed Oct 12, 2016 3:57 am

UA goes daily from October 30th with 777, 789 service delayed until March 2017
 
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Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:13 am

NPL8800 wrote:
UA goes daily from October 30th with 777, 789 service delayed until March 2017

777, or 788?
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:31 am

LamboAston wrote:
NPL8800 wrote:
UA goes daily from October 30th with 777, 789 service delayed until March 2017

777, or 788?


77E.

Motorhussy wrote:
Zkpilot wrote:
sunrisevalley wrote:
77W/778/779 would cover it .


I'm hoping that at the point in the future when they decide on the Nth America fleet replacement (77E and 77W) that NZ will be looking very seriously at the A350 family. The A351 for the 77W and the A359LR for the 77E. Having true competition on the routes now, the airline needs to be able to offer more compelling reasons to choose the NZ over AA and UA. The wider seats and more comfortable cabin of the A350 is a good one to communicate, plus the economics of the aircraft should be a compelling proposition for the bean counters.

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Interesting. I'd still lean towards more smaller aircraft 789, probably with 78J thrown In there, watch the 78J I reakon.
 
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Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:43 am

Zkpilot wrote:
DobboDobbo wrote:
mariner wrote:

Supposedly 2017 will see some increase in capacity to both IAH and EZE:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU1609/S ... tition.htm

"Luxon said the airline would grow its overall network capacity 4-to-6 percent in 2017.

Domestic network capacity will rise by 7-9%, mainly in increased flights to Queenstown and Dunedin, lift by 3-5% across the Tasman and to the Pacific, mainly to Honolulu, and by 4-6% on the international long-haul network, with over two-thirds coming from the new Houston and Buenos Aires routes."


mariner


Also a good connection point to Europe via SQs flight to MAN from IAH - which only works well if both routes are daily.

Works with LH to FRA also.


Absolutely! MUC as well perhaps?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:55 am

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Absolutely! MUC as well perhaps?

Have you heard something about a MUC-IAH flight?

The first ten LH A359s will be based in MUC from January 2017. The initial destinations are DEL, BOS, HKG and PEK or PVG. I wondered if they might be interested in PER which would be another potential connection to / from AKL.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:22 am

I agree with MH's comments above, that the A359 and A35J would give NZ a comfort advantage as a replacement for 772 / 77W even if it seems unlikely given the growing 789 fleet which has had such a smooth introduction at NZ. Every advantage counts when it comes to competition and this shouldn't be overlooked. IMHO the average sector length for wide body into AKL is something that should be considered here in terms of the experience of the travelling public. If a wider seat and quiet cabin is seen by passengers as an advantage and the bean counters are also happy then..... isn't it a win/win?
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Wed Oct 12, 2016 3:56 pm

My view is that cabin comfort is up to the airline . My experience of about 5 sectors on a 788/9 is that the quiet cabin of this type has to be very hard to beat. Even if the A359 matches it in this department , its heavier weight cannot help it's economics. The A350-1000 should fit NZ's long haul sector times quite well. A better fit than the 778 and 779 unless they are thinking of 350 +seats at 16.5 to 17hrs.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:39 am

sunrisevalley wrote:
My view is that cabin comfort is up to the airline . My experience of about 5 sectors on a 788/9 is that the quiet cabin of this type has to be very hard to beat.


For my money the A380 is the quietest cabin out there. My recent fight on the A350 was pretty close but at those low noise levels it's a tough thing to compare.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:14 am

"Air New Zealand Airbus A321neo: business class is 'very unlikely'

Air New Zealand has all but ruled out business class on its forthcoming Airbus A321neo fleet, opting instead for an all-economy layout.

The Kiwi carrier had previously flirted with fitting a small business class cabin to the pointy end of the new single-aisle jets to help it better compete against Qantas, which offers business class on all trans-Tasman flights.

However, with the delivery of the first A321neo now just one year away, Air New Zealand says "it's very unlikely the A321neo will have business class", the airline's Chief Revenue Officer Cam Wallace tells Australian Business Traveller.

"More and more the trans-Tasman market is being served by wide-body jets, and as we get more wide-bodies with business and premium seating, my instinct is that we will serve the business market with those wide-bodies," Wallace predicts.

"My predict" - put the A321's on the key domestic routes. AKL-WLG-CHC etc. solves the problem of no Business class .

according to another source - NZ is buying 5 A321neos and 8 A320neos.?


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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Thu Oct 13, 2016 8:17 am

With all this talk / speculation regarding a possible NZ wide body order, I see Air Lease Corp's G6 (N1AL) has been at AKL for the last 24 hours, since departed to NOU 0830 this morning.

Maybe it's nothing, who knows?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Thu Oct 13, 2016 8:53 am

ZKOAB wrote:
Yes, it's previously been mentioned in this forum (probably thread 180 or 181) that MVP and MVQ are the next 2 AT76's
Due for delivery in July and August 2017.

On a related note, there's 2 more deliveries to round out the year next month.
OXM, the last domestic 320 and NZK, the ninth 789.

I'm surprised there's been no mention in this forum of the emergency response of DH8C NEZ at NSN last night.
The accuracy of media reports was poor. Some describing it as an emergency landing, some reporting 50 passengers were on board.


NZK is on its delivery flight now as NZ6094: https://www.flightradar24.com/ANZ6094/
ETA just after 5am tomorrow morning (14/10), slightly ahead of schedule.

The same can't be said for OXM as it looks to be behind schedule: https://xfw-spotter.blogspot.co.nz/2016 ... dz-zk.html
F1 was conducted on 4/10 pushing out potential delivery date to November.

I guess its unrelated to NEZ being out of circulation due to the incident in Nelson, but the Q300 repaint programme seems to have stopped after the recent repaints of NEA and NEB. 9 to go with NEC-NEP. Does anyone know when they are going to resume?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:21 pm

I thought all weekday Q300 flights to DUD had stopped, but I saw a Q300 yesterday departing to Wellington just after 11am. Does anyone have an explanation for this?
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:40 pm

LamboAston wrote:
I thought all weekday Q300 flights to DUD had stopped, but I saw a Q300 yesterday departing to Wellington just after 11am. Does anyone have an explanation for this?

The new Air NZ Domestic schedule is effective from Monday 31 October 2016.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:07 pm

LamboAston wrote:
I thought all weekday Q300 flights to DUD had stopped, but I saw a Q300 yesterday departing to Wellington just after 11am. Does anyone have an explanation for this?


I was on that one last week. Surprisingly better than the ATR's.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Fri Oct 14, 2016 3:43 am

NZ has now offloaded it's remaining stake in VA
"Air New Zealand has sold its remaining stake in Virgin Australia for AUD65.7 million. It says the sale was made in off market transactions with investors, such as the Nanshan Group"
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:08 am

haggis73 wrote:
With all this talk / speculation regarding a possible NZ wide body order, I see Air Lease Corp's G6 (N1AL) has been at AKL for the last 24 hours, since departed to NOU 0830 this morning.

Maybe it's nothing, who knows?


Well the 772s are starting to get an bit old, surely they will need to be replaced within the next 5 years unless they become the new 763.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Fri Oct 14, 2016 6:15 am

zkncj wrote:
haggis73 wrote:
With all this talk / speculation regarding a possible NZ wide body order, I see Air Lease Corp's G6 (N1AL) has been at AKL for the last 24 hours, since departed to NOU 0830 this morning.

Maybe it's nothing, who knows?


Well the 772s are starting to get an bit old, surely they will need to be replaced within the next 5 years unless they become the new 763.


They are 10/11 years old. Airlines are still flying 25yo 744s why would NZ replace the 772's soon? With the growth they will be around a while.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Fri Oct 14, 2016 6:54 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
They are 10/11 years old. Airlines are still flying 25yo 744s why would NZ replace the 772's soon? With the growth they will be around a while.


Weren't they aiming to have an younger fleet age, which decreases costs?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:08 am

zkncj wrote:
Weren't they aiming to have an younger fleet age, which decreases costs?


It usually reduces maintenance costs but not necessarily other costs - such as mortgages on the new aircraft.

At the extreme end, for years, Allegiant, in the US, bought very old aircraft (MD80's) for very little money. Because the prices they paid were so low they were able to buy them outright, they didn't need to finance them with loans, and some were bought for spare parts. The aircraft were gas guzzlers so when the price of fuel went through the roof, the airline simply didn't fly them on low-business Tuesdays and Wednesdays.

Financially, this model turned Allegiant into one of the most successful airlines in the world. There's been a price in maintenance issues - duh - and the airline has recently ordered its first new aircraft from Airbus, but making money doesn't necessarily rely on new, young aircraft.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:19 am

zkncj wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
They are 10/11 years old. Airlines are still flying 25yo 744s why would NZ replace the 772's soon? With the growth they will be around a while.


Weren't they aiming to have an younger fleet age, which decreases costs?


As mariner says there are several factors. I mean it is possible that they roll the fleet over in 5 years but we are getting used to EK and SQ who only keep aircraft for 10/12 years due to depreciation costs in those countries. I just can't see them going that soon when they have brand new cabins and the airline is in growth mode, they are still young and reasonably efficient.

I'd say with just 3 more 789's to come now 2 in 2017 1 in 2018, that a new long haul order could be for more expansion initially with some later aircraft to begin to replace the 772's. I still say watch the 78J plus more 789's.

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