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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Fri Oct 14, 2016 1:20 pm

[quote="ZK-NBT"][quote="zkncj"][quote="ZK-NBT"]

[I'd say with just 3 more 789's to come now 2 in 2017 1 in 2018, that a new long haul order could be for more expansion initially with some later aircraft to begin to replace the 772's. I still say watch the 78J plus more 789's.]

with the last three to come at 275 seats and if this version ends up on the EZE sector, I believe there is room to increase frequency for the Asian configured version. I guess more seats can be put onto the market either by increasing the frequency ( 789) or by a larger airplane (eg 78X). The HKG service has still to switch to the 789 but perhaps needs the premium seat count of the 275 seat version.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:27 pm

sunrisevalley wrote:
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zkncj wrote:


HKG gets the 77E though with a similar number of premium seats to the new 789 1 more J but 7 less W. The 77E will continue to be used on long haul so not all routes are going to go 789 anytime soon. HKG is probably 1 route that could fill a 77W most of the time with pax and freight. I could see extra frequencies though instead if they can get the slots to connect to EZE. Not sure EZE will get the 275 seat version, YVR or IAH if existing routes IMO, maybe SIN for the third frame?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:30 pm

ZK-NBT wrote:
sunrisevalley wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:


HKG gets the 77E though with a similar number of premium seats to the new 789 1 more J but 7 less W. The 77E will continue to be used on long haul so not all routes are going to go 789 anytime soon. HKG is probably 1 route that could fill a 77W most of the time with pax and freight. I could see extra frequencies though instead if they can get the slots to connect to EZE. Not sure EZE will get the 275 seat version, YVR or IAH if existing routes IMO, maybe SIN for the third frame?


I thought IAH was almost at a load factor for the B77W to be used.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:34 pm

So on October 30th, there is the upgrade to daily on the United flight to AKL with the B77E, the EK A380 to Christchurch, the rerouting of the EK DXB-SYD AKL flight to DXB-BKK-SYD-AKL, EK448/9 upgrade to A380, and probably something else that I have forgotten. On the 27th of October is the A350 inaugural, so a very busy inaugural few days.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:21 pm

IAH has not been daily yet but will be for the peak season DEC-FEB with 77E's, beyond that who knows but I'd imagine it will be daily yearround within 1-2 years, I'd say they will look to add more destinations in the US but IAH could get the 77W from say SFO with UA now on that route as well.

October 30th is the start of the Northern winter schedules so Changes are very common on this date same with the last Sunday in March when the Northern summer schedules start. But yes there are a lot of changes happening of late.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:47 pm

[quote="ZK-NBT"]IAH has not been daily yet but will be for the peak season DEC-FEB with 77E's, beyond that who knows but I'd imagine it will be daily yearround within 1-2 years, I'd say they will look to add more destinations in the US but IAH could get the 77W from say SFO with UA now on that route as well.]

Perhaps a 77W rotating between AKL-SFO and AKL- IAH ? Could NZ5/6 give up a 77W some days?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Fri Oct 14, 2016 9:28 pm

This could also justify a B77W popup order for a couple of aircraft, that would be delivered relatively soon due to the 77X production starting.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:59 pm

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So on October 30th, there is the upgrade to daily on the United flight to AKL with the B77E, the EK A380 to Christchurch, the rerouting of the EK DXB-SYD AKL flight to DXB-BKK-SYD-AKL, EK448/9 upgrade to A380, and probably something else that I have forgotten. On the 27th of October is the A350 inaugural, so a very busy inaugural few days.


To build on the ones that you have already mentioned, from October until February 2017 there is at least one new airline/route being resumed/launched:
AKL Routes:
NZ: AKL-KIX 4th Nov
HX: AKL-HKG 11th Nov
GS: AKL-CKG-TSN 22nd Dec
HU: AKL-SZX-XIY 1st Jan
QR: AKL-DOH 6th Feb

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OZ: CHC-ICN (Seasonal Charter) 3rd Dec
QF: CHC-MEL 4th Dec
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Fri Oct 14, 2016 11:15 pm

ZK-NBT wrote:
IAH has not been daily yet but will be for the peak season DEC-FEB with 77E's, beyond that who knows but I'd imagine it will be daily yearround within 1-2 years, I'd say they will look to add more destinations in the US but IAH could get the 77W from say SFO with UA now on that route as well.


That would mean 2 daily 77E to SFO, and two daily 77W to LAX, as well as the AA 788
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Fri Oct 14, 2016 11:23 pm

LamboAston wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
IAH has not been daily yet but will be for the peak season DEC-FEB with 77E's, beyond that who knows but I'd imagine it will be daily yearround within 1-2 years, I'd say they will look to add more destinations in the US but IAH could get the 77W from say SFO with UA now on that route as well.


That would mean 2 daily 77E to SFO, and two daily 77W to LAX, as well as the AA 788


Well it will be 1 77W and 1 77E to SFO as it is. Then UA is scheduled as 788/789 mix over NZ winter plus NZ 77W, 77E.

There are 77W refits next winter so they will be down 1 frame the whole winter pretty much. SFO would seem more likely to get the 77E 4 weekly but LAX does sometimes as well.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sat Oct 15, 2016 12:22 am

There are 16 77W ordered by unidentified customers, so is there any chance that NZ is one of them?
http://active.boeing.com/commercial/ord ... iew+Report
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sat Oct 15, 2016 1:11 am

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There are 16 77W ordered by unidentified customers, so is there any chance that NZ is one of them?
http://active.boeing.com/commercial/ord ... iew+Report


5 of these have be delivered, with the remaining 11 yet to be delivered.

Could be an option that they take additional 77W now on an deal where they swap with 777Xs once they are available.

Even through the 772 had an refit over the last two years, surely the seats could be transfer to an 77W which a couple more rows purchased.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sat Oct 15, 2016 2:03 am

Some ex Air NZ Beech 1900D activity today.

ZK-EAP departed AKL at 0752 NZDT for SYD arriving at 1019 AEDT. It departed SYD at 1110 AEDT for BWU arriving at 1114 AEDT.

ZK-EAB departed AKL at 0755 NZDT for SYD but returned from about 180 kms out at 0849 NZDT.
ZK-EAB departed AKL at 1330 NZDT for SYD but returned from about 215 kms out at 1436 NZDT.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sat Oct 15, 2016 5:24 am

zkncj wrote:
LamboAston wrote:
There are 16 77W ordered by unidentified customers, so is there any chance that NZ is one of them?
http://active.boeing.com/commercial/ord ... iew+Report


5 of these have be delivered, with the remaining 11 yet to be delivered.

Could be an option that they take additional 77W now on an deal where they swap with 777Xs once they are available.

Even through the 772 had an refit over the last two years, surely the seats could be transfer to an 77W which a couple more rows purchased.

They should be able to.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sat Oct 15, 2016 7:29 am

zkncj wrote:
LamboAston wrote:
There are 16 77W ordered by unidentified customers, so is there any chance that NZ is one of them?
http://active.boeing.com/commercial/ord ... iew+Report


5 of these have be delivered, with the remaining 11 yet to be delivered.

Could be an option that they take additional 77W now on an deal where they swap with 777Xs once they are available.

Even through the 772 had an refit over the last two years, surely the seats could be transfer to an 77W which a couple more rows purchased.


I'm confused why would they get more 77W's and take the seats out of refurbished 772's, or are we looking at 772's with standing room only or sit on the floor? Anyway like I say I doubt the 772's are going anywhere for a good few years. It will be interesting to see if they order the 77X, it's big and expensive and NZ will likely keep looking at new Markets that capture good Tasman feed so smaller aircraft more destinations IMO.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sat Oct 15, 2016 8:44 am

Not the "Travel Polls and Preferences" section but........... favourite NZ/NAC aircraft of all time by whatever arbitrary, subjective criteria you care to use?

For me:

DC-10>742>DC-8>762>763>744>Electra>A320>732>B1900D>DC-3>Q300>F-27>733>772>ATR-72>77W>BAE-146
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sat Oct 15, 2016 9:30 am

UA 917 is being operated by a 789 for today's flight as well as the next one. They already proved the route with the 789 a few months ago, so demand must be more than 788 capacity, and looking good for the daily 77E coming up soon
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:08 am

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according to another source - NZ is buying 5 A321neos and 8 A320neos.?


According to what I've heard the number is more like 7 x A321 and 11 x A320.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sat Oct 15, 2016 3:38 pm

[quote="LamboAston That would mean 2 daily 77E to SFO]

From the SFO passenger statistics ; for CY 2015 on an average seats per flight by month, there was not one flight with an occupancy greater than a 77E. Of course this does not take into account occupancy by seat class. The average per flight inbound SFO was 290 seats, outbound 285 seats. Hypothetically, I wonder what changes NZ would make to fleet allocation on the SFO route if they placed 8 or 10 code share passengers on each UA flight ? Also I am awaiting the appearance of UA's passenger numbers to NZL in the SFO statistics , will be interesting to see how much the NZ figures change, if any from the same month in 2015.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sat Oct 15, 2016 9:45 pm

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Absolutely! MUC as well perhaps?

Have you heard something about a MUC-IAH flight?

The first ten LH A359s will be based in MUC from January 2017. The initial destinations are DEL, BOS, HKG and PEK or PVG. I wondered if they might be interested in PER which would be another potential connection to / from AKL.

PA515


Afraid not - TBH I had assumed one of
LH or UA would already be on the route.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:00 am

After ZK-EAB's two failed attempts at AKL-SYD yesterday it had a 35 min test flight AKL-AKL 1133-1208 NZDT, up to 25,000 ft over Great Barrier Island. It departed for SYD at 1309 NZDT and is now out of FR24 MLAT3 range.

There's a few photos of ZK-EAP at SYD yesterday at http://yssyforum.net/board/showthread.php?t=11253

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:26 am

ZK-NEZ has been out of service for 19 days now after what was reported as smoke in the cabin after landing at NSN. Another report said it was a hydraulic fluid spill in the cockpit area. As hydraulic fluid can be corrosive, I assume they would need to take everything apart to deal with it. Could this result in an insurance claim?

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:05 am

NZ1 wrote:
ZKOJH wrote:


according to another source - NZ is buying 5 A321neos and 8 A320neos.?


According to what I've heard the number is more like 7 x A321 and 11 x A320.


Thanks NZ1 people have been saying about 18 total, I've not seen anything publicly announced other than the initial 13, I'll take your word for it.

Interesting the A321 likely not having a J class, so I'm guessing they will mainly fly on the busiest routes ex AKL, non wide body services to SYD/MEL/BNE plus some PI flights.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:09 am

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According to what I've heard the number is more like 7 x A321 and 11 x A320.


Thanks NZ1 people have been saying about 18 total, I've not seen anything publicly announced other than the initial 13, I'll take your word for it.
[/quote]

They leased an additional 5x A321NEO last year, that have an earlier delivery slot than there on purchased orders. They have the option to on sell 5x A320/321NEO to the leasing company if needed, it was quietly done and sub noted on an investor update.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:58 am

DobboDobbo wrote:
PA515 wrote:
DobboDobbo wrote:
Absolutely! MUC as well perhaps?

Have you heard something about a MUC-IAH flight?

The first ten LH A359s will be based in MUC from January 2017. The initial destinations are DEL, BOS, HKG and PEK or PVG. I wondered if they might be interested in PER which would be another potential connection to / from AKL.

PA515


Afraid not - TBH I had assumed one of
LH or UA would already be on the route.


Apologies, thought you were referring to LH only. There is a UA IAH-MUC, five weekly with a 763 for the Northern Winter.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sun Oct 16, 2016 3:37 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
NZ1 wrote:
ZKOJH wrote:


according to another source - NZ is buying 5 A321neos and 8 A320neos.?


According to what I've heard the number is more like 7 x A321 and 11 x A320.


Thanks NZ1 people have been saying about 18 total, I've not seen anything publicly announced other than the initial 13, I'll take your word for it.

Interesting the A321 likely not having a J class, so I'm guessing they will mainly fly on the busiest routes ex AKL, non wide body services to SYD/MEL/BNE plus some PI flights.


From info in the 2014 Press Releases and the 2016 Annual Report, Analyst Presentation, these are delivery details for 13 NEO aircraft:

Three in the second half of 2017 (one ALC 321NEO -- Aug 2017, one ALC 320NEO -- Sep 2017, one owned 321NEO -- late 2017).
Three in the first half of 2018 (one ALC, two owned).
Four in the second half of 2018 (two ALC, two owned).
Four in the first half of 2019 (four owned).

http://www.airnewzealand.com/press-rele ... estic-a320

http://airleasecorp.com/press/2015/air- ... y-aircraft

With the ALC Gulfstream N1AL being in town last week, there could be some changes to the above and an announcement about the extra five.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:48 am

Hi Guys

does anybody know what (ex-)registration the Mil-Mi 8 at Huka Falls was?

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/71539176

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