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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Wed Sep 21, 2016 8:59 pm

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AKL-DPS is about 9 hrs, way to far for the 321LR, even PER would struggle I think with anywhere near a full load. RAR-SYD would be in the same boat. PPT stays a wide body due to lack of alternates I wonder weather the 321LR would change that?


According to Aviation Week there's a range for weight penalty built in to the A321LR. Airbus is pitching the 4000 nautical mile range with 206 seats - the ULCC version of the A321Ceo usually has 230/240 seats.

http://aviationweek.com/commercial-avia ... eo-version

"Airbus initially pitched the aircraft to airlines in a premium 164-seat layout with 20 seats in business class, 30 in premium-economy class, and 114 in economy. But discussions with potential customers showed that many airlines are interested in higher seat counts. In the premium configuration, the A321neo LR range decreases slightly to 3,904 nm because of extreme assumptions in terms of weight per passenger.

The 206-seat configuration assumes 16 seats in business class at a 36-in. pitch and 190 in economy at 30 inches.

Currently, the longest route flown by the Boeing 757 is United’s New York-Berlin service, which at slightly more than 4,000 nm can only be flown with less-than-maximum payload. United has 169 seats on the transatlantic 757s."


This suggests to me that it would be a good aircraft for a thinner route like SYD-RAR, unless the reduction in cargo capacity is a consideration.

So AKL/CHC-PER may be doable - unless the airline actually wants more capacity - but I might raise an eyebrow about the leisure-centric (thus lower yielding?) AKL-DPS, unless that route is getting some decent premium demand.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Wed Sep 21, 2016 11:04 pm

Another consideration for Air NZ with an A321NEO(LR) could be flight attendants. Four F/As for 151-200 pax or five F/As for 201-250 pax. So, 16 Business at 36 inch pitch and 184 Economy at 31 inch pitch would be 200 pax. Also the A321NEO(LR) is only available in the 'cabin flex' version. Air NZ's initial A321NEOs due in 2017 will not be 'cabin flex' as this is not available until mid-2018. They could take just A320NEOs initially and then A321NEOs from mid-2018 if they want the 'cabin flex' version.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:58 am

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DavidByrne wrote:
I'm hoping Mariner can make us all green with envy about some of his early flights in the flying boat era!


My mother has great flying boat stories from her boarding-school days in Auckland in the 1940's and 50's. She used to travel by steamer from Apia to Pago Pago, then Catalina to Laucala Bay in Fiji where she'd transit to the TEAL Solent to Mechanics Bay in Auckland.


Spent a week on Lord Howe Island (have a trip report coming up in a month or three on that) and learnt about the history of the Catalina flying boats there too. Very interesting. http://www.lhimuseum.com/page/view/history/flying_boats ; By Flying Boat to Lord Howe Island 1931 - 1974, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmTVKs15n4U

Re Singapore Airlines 'Capital Express' - I've not been to New Zealand yet (but have flown Air New Zealand) so am looking forward to an international flight from CBR, to both WLG and SIN in the next few years! I really hope this works and is a continued success for all concerned.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:48 am

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ZK-NBT wrote:
AKL-DPS is about 9 hrs, way to far for the 321LR, even PER would struggle I think with anywhere near a full load. RAR-SYD would be in the same boat. PPT stays a wide body due to lack of alternates I wonder weather the 321LR would change that?


According to Aviation Week there's a range for weight penalty built in to the A321LR. Airbus is pitching the 4000 nautical mile range with 206 seats - the ULCC version of the A321Ceo usually has 230/240 seats.

So AKL/CHC-PER may be doable - unless the airline actually wants more capacity - but I might raise an eyebrow about the leisure-centric (thus lower yielding?) AKL-DPS, unless that route is getting some decent premium demand.

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This old Leeham article from January last year describes the A321neoLR's flight time capability as "...flight times of 8 to 9 hours." in order to "fly still air distances of around 4000nm with 15-18t of passengers (160-200 passengers with bags) and still have room for 25t of fuel in the aircraft"

The cabin assumptions for maximum range performance would suit an NZ configuration mix of Y+ and Y.

https://leehamnews.com/2015/01/15/airbus-formally-launches-a321lr-we-look-behind-the-lr-to-see-whats-there/

Map indicates 4000nm from AKL.

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Map indicates 4000nm from RAR.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Thu Sep 22, 2016 9:24 am

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Air NZ Beech 1900Ds ZK-EAG and ZK-EAH each had a HLZ-HLZ test flight today. Both flights about 30 mins, going up to 25,000 ft then down. Guess they're the next to leave.

And yesterday Air NZ Beech 1900Ds ZK-EAB and ZK-EAP each had a HLZ-HLZ test flight. Both flights about 40 mins and going up to 25,000 ft.


Today ZK-EAN had a HLZ-HLZ test flight, also up to 25,000 ft. In the last three days five of the last six 1900Ds have been checked out.
The other 1900D is ZK-EAE.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:48 pm

ZK-OKQ (NZ1 LAX-AKL) appeared on flightradar24 north east of East Cape and is heading 266 degrees to AKL. Tracked down between PPT and RAR and was picked up by a new flightradar24 receiver on Mauke (F-NCMK1) north east of RAR. Also, ZK-OKQ is doing NZ30 AKL-EZE tonight.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Fri Sep 23, 2016 1:32 am

Interesting PA515. Taking the All Blacks to Argentina then don't no if I knew that was happening in advance. But has been done before and will again no doubt.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Fri Sep 23, 2016 4:02 am

Interesting how the All Blacks get an aircraft upgrade, but the olympic teams don't. They didn't even get to be on Air New Zealand the whole way back (rio to EZE)
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Fri Sep 23, 2016 4:12 am

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Interesting how the All Blacks get an aircraft upgrade, but the olympic teams don't. They didn't even get to be on Air New Zealand the whole way back (rio to EZE)


Probably because they couldn't fill an entire flight with team and supporters. Too many of the team travelling at different times, equally, supporters too.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Fri Sep 23, 2016 4:28 am

Fiji Airways is adding a third year round frequency on the NAN-CHC-NAN route from January 3rd

Apparently this is on the back of a 47% rise in passenger figures between CHC and Fiji over the past financial year

FJ450 NAN 09:30-13:35 CHC B738 246
FJ451 CHC 14:35-18:35 NAN B738 246

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Fri Sep 23, 2016 5:28 am

Seasonal Vietnam comes back again next year - June to October - this time with the 787 at 2 weekly:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/8459 ... dreamliner

"Air New Zealand Auckland to Vietnam route to get the 787-9 Dreamliner

Air New Zealand has confirmed it will operate a second season of non-stop services between Auckland and Vietnam using the 787-9 Dreamliner.


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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Fri Sep 23, 2016 5:28 am

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Air NZ's initial A321NEOs due in 2017 will not be 'cabin flex' as this is not available until mid-2018. They could take just A320NEOs initially and then A321NEOs from mid-2018 if they want the 'cabin flex' version.

PA515


From what I understand, and I think it's public knowledge, the first few deliveries will definitely be 321s. I think the only way they would get 320s is by picking up a cancelled order slot Even then I would have thought it would have to be reasonably last minute to not be able to convert it to the 321.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Fri Sep 23, 2016 5:47 am

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Air NZ's initial A321NEOs due in 2017 will not be 'cabin flex' as this is not available until mid-2018. They could take just A320NEOs initially and then A321NEOs from mid-2018 if they want the 'cabin flex' version.

PA515


From what I understand, and I think it's public knowledge, the first few deliveries will definitely be 321s. I think the only way they would get 320s is by picking up a cancelled order slot Even then I would have thought it would have to be reasonably last minute to not be able to convert it to the 321.


I think you Are right. But as far as I'm aware it hasn't been said publicly what the breakdown is of aircraft, I've heard 2/3 will be A321's, initially it was just 3 anyone got any updates? Cabin config must be announced soon.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:51 am

The All Black squad is 30 plus coaches, physios etc right? They will be in business class, and the 77E is 26 seats. The ABs probably fill up almost the entire cabin. It seems an entirely rational use of existing resources to capture the extra revenue in both directions. Flying on a scheduled day of an existing service is a totally different kettle of fish to operating a charter to/from Rio. I was going to book NZ on this day before I booked on LA. Back when I booked it was still a 772. I guess I should expect an influx of New Zealanders this evening and tomorrow here in BA.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:58 am

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I think you Are right. But as far as I'm aware it hasn't been said publicly what the breakdown is of aircraft, I've heard 2/3 will be A321's, initially it was just 3 anyone got any updates? Cabin config must be announced soon.


Your ratio is about on the money. The cabin config has been settled, but I don't know if it has been publicly released so I had better not spill the beans.

Some people have been talking about the 321LR, I don't believe this is on airnz's radar at this point.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Fri Sep 23, 2016 11:28 pm

Amused just now to see an Air Calin ad on this site announcing their new Melbourne-Noumea flight. The map on the advertisment shows an animation starting from AKL rather than MEL.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sat Sep 24, 2016 12:36 am

The A321 LR is apparently good for 185 passengers for 4000nm. With a cruise of 447k this is almost 9hrs. But I would expect the catering and crew weight needs to be taken into account. This would probably knock it back to about 8-hrs. So check the timetables for City pairs that are 8-hrs or less apart to get an idea which pairs it might be able to fly. I would say AKL-DPS is not one of them.
The A321 at 3000nm is probably good for ~ 6hrs not enough for AKL/CHC-PER.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sat Sep 24, 2016 1:10 am

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The A321 LR is apparently good for 185 passengers for 4000nm. With a cruise of 447k this is almost 9hrs. But I would expect the catering and crew weight needs to be taken into account. This would probably knock it back to about 8-hrs. So check the timetables for City pairs that are 8-hrs or less apart to get an idea which pairs it might be able to fly. I would say AKL-DPS is not one of them.
The A321 at 3000nm is probably good for ~ 6hrs not enough for AKL/CHC-PER.


Good thing NZ doesn't offer free meals on these fligths, so that will knock the catering weight down..

What does an average airline meal weight?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sat Sep 24, 2016 2:12 am

sunrisevalley wrote:
The A321 LR is apparently good for 185 passengers for 4000nm. With a cruise of 447k this is almost 9hrs. But I would expect the catering and crew weight needs to be taken into account. This would probably knock it back to about 8-hrs. So check the timetables for City pairs that are 8-hrs or less apart to get an idea which pairs it might be able to fly. I would say AKL-DPS is not one of them.
The A321 at 3000nm is probably good for ~ 6hrs not enough for AKL/CHC-PER.


This is what I think all along really people go on about HNL and DPS from AKL for the LR but the reality is quite different if you want to have anything near an acceptable load. Basically for the LR PER could be done and maybe PPT because of alternates. That's where the remoteness of NZ kicks in, to get any further than OZ or Pacific Islands you need a wide body.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sat Sep 24, 2016 10:15 am

You are safe in thinking are no A321LRs in the current order. The A321s won't be doing anything in terms of midhaul. the 787 and 777 have that covered.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sat Sep 24, 2016 11:16 am

Does anybody know why at 1.10pm today, EK had 2 77L and 2 A388 on the ground in AKL? This is not normal. I was on NZ419 to WLG and we taxied past.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sat Sep 24, 2016 12:32 pm

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Does anybody know why at 1.10pm today, EK had 2 77L and 2 A388 on the ground in AKL? This is not normal. I was on NZ419 to WLG and we taxied past.


Likely that the flight from the day before was cancelled and the scheduled arrival had arrived + 2 out of the 3 A380s had arrived by 13:10.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sat Sep 24, 2016 3:44 pm

[quote="zkncj What does an average airline meal weight?[/quote]

The bar liquids are probably much heavier than the food. To get from OEW to DOW you must add in the weight of catering plus crew and their bags. For a 77E ~4t seems in the ball park.
 
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Sat Sep 24, 2016 3:44 pm

[quote="zkncj What does an average airline meal weight?[/quote]

The bar liquids are probably much heavier than the food. To get from OEW to DOW you must add in the weight of catering plus crew and their bags. For a 77E ~4t seems in the ball park.
 
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Sat Sep 24, 2016 11:03 pm

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Does anybody know why at 1.10pm today, EK had 2 77L and 2 A388 on the ground in AKL? This is not normal. I was on NZ419 to WLG and we taxied past.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sun Sep 25, 2016 1:02 am

Does anyone know if it's possible to find a schedule for Fed-X into AKL?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sun Sep 25, 2016 1:15 am

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The All Black squad is 30 plus coaches, physios etc right? They will be in business class, and the 77E is 26 seats. The ABs probably fill up almost the entire cabin. It seems an entirely rational use of existing resources to capture the extra revenue in both directions. Flying on a scheduled day of an existing service is a totally different kettle of fish to operating a charter to/from Rio. I was going to book NZ on this day before I booked on LA. Back when I booked it was still a 772. I guess I should expect an influx of New Zealanders this evening and tomorrow here in BA.

Great point. Plus I know what the Romanian team paid in excess baggage on MH after the 2011 World Cup. You'd be crazy to not do anything to get that revenue.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sun Sep 25, 2016 2:00 am

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Does anyone know if it's possible to find a schedule for Fed-X into AKL?


If you mean actual Fedex aircraft, it's once a week and - don't hold me to it - I believe it arrives in AKL from HNL Sunday, before going on to SYD and CAN and then returning to the US.

Here's the link to it:

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/fx75

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Sun Sep 25, 2016 2:01 am

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Does anyone know if it's possible to find a schedule for Fed-X into AKL?

Once a week. every sunday 1700 in 1830 out.
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Sun Sep 25, 2016 7:44 am

QR have crazy low fares to europe during the first half of next year, usually around $1500 per person in economy, even including A350 flights
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Sun Sep 25, 2016 10:08 am

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QR have crazy low fares to europe during the first half of next year, usually around $1500 per person in economy, even including A350 flights


Yup, so do others - one tries to be the other. I saw KL for $1200 not long ago, and I just booked MH for $1500 as well - even over Easter! Including A380 KUL-LHR-KUL. Crazy!
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sun Sep 25, 2016 3:30 pm

I wonder if NZ is considering countering the 35” pitch of AA main cabin extra and UA economy extra seats. I believe they should consider making 6 rows of the Sky Couch seats 35/36” pitch. This would require the removal of one row. UA appear to get ~$280 for these seats SFO-AKL-SFO. Would seem to me NZ would have the potential of increased revenue if these 36 seats could be sold as either Sky Couch or Economy plus. Probably more than the loss of revenue for six seats.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sun Sep 25, 2016 9:34 pm

According to Flightradar24 77W ZK-OKP will arrive AKL from QPG tomorrow 27 Sep as NZ6019, after 43 days away.
And 763 ZK-NCL will depart AKL for ASP tomorrow as NZ 6011. Which is the next 763 to be withdrawn?

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Sun Sep 25, 2016 11:05 pm

Why are there so many B772s on NZ8 recently? is it because of the 77W paint and refit?
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Sun Sep 25, 2016 11:06 pm

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QR have crazy low fares to europe during the first half of next year, usually around $1500 per person in economy, even including A350 flights


Yup, so do others - one tries to be the other. I saw KL for $1200 not long ago, and I just booked MH for $1500 as well - even over Easter! Including A380 KUL-LHR-KUL. Crazy!

Same with China Eastern, but that wouldn't be my first choice to get to Europe. They are even that cheap in school holidays, while NZ is near the $3000 mark.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Mon Sep 26, 2016 12:47 am

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Why are there so many B772s on NZ8 recently? is it because of the 77W paint and refit?


There have only been six 77Ws in operation for most of the last seven months. Mostly NZ8 / NZ7, but also NZ6 / NZ5 have had 77Es, sometimes more than necessary to replace one 77W. That suggests the extra capacity from UA and AA has had an influence. ZK-OKP was away for longer than it takes for a repaint, which I don't understand as OKP was in QPG earlier in the year for maintenance. The 77W refit takes place between Feb and Nov 2017.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Mon Sep 26, 2016 1:05 am

According to http://nyc787.blogspot.com the delivery date for ZK-NZK, which had it's first flight today, has been brought forward two days from 21 Oct 2016 to 19 Oct 2016.

Also ZK-NZL (L/N 607) due for delivery 18 Sep 2017 and ZK-NZM (L/N 624) due for delivery 30 Oct 2017, will be assembled in Charleston.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:54 am

Why was SQ292 delayed out of Wellington so much tonight? I forgot about daylight saving coming in.
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Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:04 am

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Why was SQ292 delayed out of Wellington so much tonight? I forgot about daylight saving coming in.


You just answered your own question, daylight saving. Scheduled departure is now 2115. Pretty Ontime to me airborne 2127.
 
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Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:45 pm

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And 763 ZK-NCL will depart AKL for ASP tomorrow as NZ 6011. Which is the next 763 to be withdrawn?

Yesterday's NZ6011 was cancelled.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Tue Sep 27, 2016 11:38 pm

Is the next ATR72-600 to be delivered going to be registered ZK-MVP, as MVO is already used by a AT76?
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Wed Sep 28, 2016 5:50 am

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Is the next ATR72-600 to be delivered going to be registered ZK-MVP, as MVO is already used by a AT76?


Yes, it's previously been mentioned in this forum (probably thread 180 or 181) that MVP and MVQ are the next 2 AT76's
Due for delivery in July and August 2017.

On a related note, there's 2 more deliveries to round out the year next month.
OXM, the last domestic 320 and NZK, the ninth 789.

I'm surprised there's been no mention in this forum of the emergency response of DH8C NEZ at NSN last night.
The accuracy of media reports was poor. Some describing it as an emergency landing, some reporting 50 passengers were on board.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:02 am

New NZ Airpoints cards will start showing in mailboxes starting the week of 03OCT. Can a NZ 'insider' explain to me why they are made, printed and packaged in Melbourne, sent across the tasman for onward delivery via NZPost? Is there no company that manage this task in New Zealand? Seems like a roundabout way of doing things on the cheap when your're making record profits.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:56 am

wstakl wrote:
New NZ Airpoints cards will start showing in mailboxes starting the week of 03OCT. Can a NZ 'insider' explain to me why they are made, printed and packaged in Melbourne, sent across the tasman for onward delivery via NZPost? Is there no company that manage this task in New Zealand? Seems like a roundabout way of doing things on the cheap when your're making record profits.

I don't know if there are any companies making the cards in NZ, but there are certainly facilities to print on them, and package them. Even schools have that tech for student IDs.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Wed Sep 28, 2016 11:51 am

wstakl wrote:
New NZ Airpoints cards will start showing in mailboxes starting the week of 03OCT. Can a NZ 'insider' explain to me why they are made, printed and packaged in Melbourne, sent across the tasman for onwarda delivery via NZPost? Is there no company that manage this task in New Zealand? Seems like a roundabout way of doing things on the cheap when your're making record profits.


From a New Zealand perspective, it is probably because a New Zealand company didn't provide a cheap enough quote. Business in N.Z still doesn't get that they are part of a global market place and as such they can't just mark up to what they think we should pay. It has been known for a long time by seasoned travellers how expensive this country has become to buy anything. If I can get something for $20 inclusive of shipping, why would I pay $145 dollars for it to order it here??
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Thu Sep 29, 2016 1:36 am

downdata wrote:
What? People still fly NZ? When I first flew with them in 2000 they were a premium carrier. Now they are just an LCC if not an ULCC. .


Really? I don't see in-flight advertising on overhead lockers or the seat in front of you? I don't see the safety card displayed as a sticker? I still find window shades and reclining seats. I still find seat select, inclusive meals, lounge, free check-in, complimentary bar service, carry on luggage, checked luggage. Naturally some of these get included when you purchase the works but at least you have the option of removing them if they are not important to you. Makes me wonder if you know what a LCC or ULCC is?

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PA515 wrote:
And 763 ZK-NCL will depart AKL for ASP tomorrow as NZ 6011. Which is the next 763 to be withdrawn?

Yesterday's NZ6011 was cancelled.

PA515


Rescheduled for 5 Oct.

wstakl wrote:
New NZ Airpoints cards will start showing in mailboxes starting the week of 03OCT. Can a NZ 'insider' explain to me why they are made, printed and packaged in Melbourne, sent across the tasman for onward delivery via NZPost? Is there no company that manage this task in New Zealand? Seems like a roundabout way of doing things on the cheap when your're making record profits.


Cost, quality and reliability of the vendor.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Thu Sep 29, 2016 1:53 am

There's a company in New Zealand who make almost all bank cards. They have a split location between the Shore and Christchurch.

This I know because I used to work with them on a regular basis for rush bank cards or correcting delivery errors.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Thu Sep 29, 2016 2:19 am

Good to see the NPL terminal upgrade moving forward. For those who have haven't been through the airport in the last few years it gets very busy and cramped at peak times, hardly surprising since it was built for around 60,000 passengers a year and now receives close to 350,000 (9th busiest in NZ)

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Thu Sep 29, 2016 9:13 am

An Air New Zealand flight from WGN to Hamilton returned to Wellington after both pilots were blinded temporarily by a laser.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread part 182

Thu Sep 29, 2016 10:33 am

LamboAston wrote:
An Air New Zealand flight from WGN to Hamilton returned to Wellington after both pilots were blinded temporarily by a laser.


Pls, it's WLG.
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