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Traces of explosives found on wreckage of EgyptAir flight 804

Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 4:05 pm
by LeCoqFrancais
Investigators from France’s institute for criminal research found traces of the explosive material TNT last week in Cairo on debris from an EgyptAir plane that crashed in May, triggering a dispute between French and Egyptian authorities, French newspaper Le Figaro reported on Friday.
The origin of these traces remains unclear and Egyptian judicial authorities did not allow French investigators to examine the debris in detail, Le Figaro said, citing a source close to the investigation.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/tnt-egyptair-1.3766938
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This will be interesting, I wonder the Egyptians authorites will try and hide this just like they tride to hide the F/O suicide on MS990...

Re: Traces of explosives found on wreckage of EgyptAir flight 804

Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:08 pm
by Aesma
The Egyptians are trying to put the blame on France, since the flight took off from Paris. Not allowing full access to the evidence is of course very suspicious.

Re: Traces of explosives found on wreckage of EgyptAir flight 804

Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:34 pm
by rrapynot
Could be like TWA 800. Explosive residue was found but was determined to be from a training excercise with dogs.

Re: Traces of explosives found on wreckage of EgyptAir flight 804

Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 9:19 pm
by AWACSooner
Aesma wrote:
The Egyptians are trying to put the blame on France, since the flight took off from Paris. Not allowing full access to the evidence is of course very suspicious.

I'm sure they'll try to blame Airbus for making an "inferior product," or whatever it was they tried to blame Boeing with after 990.

Re: Traces of explosives found on wreckage of EgyptAir flight 804

Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 9:59 pm
by LeCoqFrancais
Who knows, they might try and blame Anubis in bringing more "clients" to Osiris...

Re: Traces of explosives found on wreckage of EgyptAir flight 804

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:59 pm
by Buyantukhaa
Mentioned again on BBC now.

Re: Traces of explosives found on wreckage of EgyptAir flight 804

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:05 pm
by JannEejit
Egypt has a problem, Egyptian authorities know this needs to be fixed and fast. Blaming everyone else is certainly a classic blame denial tactic. What happens next remains to be seen.

Re: Traces of explosives found on wreckage of EgyptAir flight 804

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:19 pm
by readytotaxi
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38330316

New report says traces of explosive found on victims, would that not be unusual?

Re: Traces of explosives found on wreckage of EgyptAir flight 804

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:19 pm
by oldannyboy
JannEejit wrote:
Egypt has a problem, Egyptian authorities know this needs to be fixed and fast. Blaming everyone else is certainly a classic blame denial tactic. What happens next remains to be seen.


Sorry for correcting you :-)
Egypt has MANY problems

Re: Traces of explosives found on wreckagej of EgyptAir flight 804

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:35 pm
by JannEejit
readytotaxi wrote:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38330316

New report says traces of explosive found on victims, would that not be unusual?


Not if said individuals were sitting on, or adjacent to said explosive. Then again there's also the question of was someone or a group actually concealing explosive material about their persons or even internally ? It will also be interesting to note the forensics regarding the condition of these remains in comparison to the other deceased, in terms of mutiliation.

Re: Traces of explosives found on wreckage of EgyptAir flight 804

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:37 pm
by JannEejit
oldannyboy wrote:
JannEejit wrote:
Egypt has a problem, Egyptian authorities know this needs to be fixed and fast. Blaming everyone else is certainly a classic blame denial tactic. What happens next remains to be seen.


Sorry for correcting you :-)
Egypt has MANY problems


Correction accepted...

Re: Traces of explosives found on wreckage of EgyptAir flight 804

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:05 pm
by MaverickM11
On a tangential note, how does Egypt plan to resurrect tourism, particularly to the Sinai beaches?

Re: Traces of explosives found on wreckage of EgyptAir flight 804

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:15 pm
by readytotaxi
MaverickM11 wrote:
On a tangential note, how does Egypt plan to resurrect tourism, particularly to the Sinai beaches?

The government of the country is going to have to show that security at airports have improved to the standard required by the likes of the UK, who were a big market for them. Only then will the planes fly in again. Sharm el-sheikh was a big winter sun draw.

Re: Traces of explosives found on wreckage of EgyptAir flight 804

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:26 pm
by N415XJ
Everyone's quick to jump at Egypt's throat because of their farcical denial of responsibility after MS990, but that was almost 20 years ago, In the meantime, we saw them acknowledge that a bomb was planted on 7K9268 which took off from an Egyptian airport, implicitly acknowledging that their security was breached. They didn't blame Airbus, or anybody else besides the terrorists. I'm holding off judgement until the investigation is concluded. While it's likely that the bomb came from Egypt, it isn't unreasonable to assume that it came from France, especially considering the fact that people with extremist ties have worked there in the past.

Re: Traces of explosives found on wreckage of EgyptAir flight 804

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:33 pm
by JannEejit
N415XJ wrote:
Everyone's quick to jump at Egypt's throat because of their farcical denial of responsibility after MS990, but that was almost 20 years ago, In the meantime, we saw them acknowledge that a bomb was planted on 7K9268 which took off from an Egyptian airport, implicitly acknowledging that their security was breached. They didn't blame Airbus, or anybody else besides the terrorists. I'm holding off judgement until the investigation is concluded. While it's likely that the bomb came from Egypt, it isn't unreasonable to assume that it came from France, especially considering the fact that people with extremist ties have worked there in the past.


Farcical airport security procedures have been their most recent issues. And denying there was a extremist problem in a misguided attempt at preserving tourist business, in a move that was akin to the Mayor of Amity denying there was a shark problem in the 'Jaws' movie, was their next problem. Nobody's denying whoever planted the bombs were ultimately responsible, but as ever, there's more to it than that.

Re: Traces of explosives found on wreckage of EgyptAir flight 804

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 5:45 pm
by HALtheAI
From the WSJ:

French investigators don’t agree with the Egyptians’ finding, a French official familiar with the investigation said.
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Even though Paris objects to Egypt’s conclusion, the French official said they “can’t exclude that the plane was brought down intentionally.”

Re: Traces of explosives found on wreckage of EgyptAir flight 804

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 10:16 pm
by ozglobal
CDG has approx 80 000 staff with airside access. Hundreds have had their access cancelled due to evidence of Islamic radicalization. A friend with a source at ADP, the group who administer the airports told him that the problem now is finding the staff who AREN'T likely to be being radicalised. Maybe an exaggeration, but most staff come from northern suburbs, seedbeds of discontent and radicalisation, and makeshift prayer rooms have been erected all over in storage rooms and the men, more and more under the Saudi and Qatar funded Salafist and Wahabist Imams and mosques who teach utter hatred of non-believers, declare their sect by cropping their hair to the scalp and growing out their beards. The press now speak less often of 'radicalisation' but more of passing from Salafit and Wahabist piety to "act." i.e. committing a terrorist attack.

What's the solution? Close down the airports? Religious profiling?

Re: Traces of explosives found on wreckage of EgyptAir flight 804

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:10 pm
by Aesma
From the WSJ article, about the Russian airliner downed by a bomb : "The claim was initially dismissed by Egyptian authorities, who have yet to announce a cause of the disaster."

I wouldn't call that a clear acknowledgement.

Here the main problem, and what is discussed in France, is not even the cause of the crash, but the fact that Egypt is keeping the bodies. Disheartening for the families, and fuelling suspicions.

Re: Traces of explosives found on wreckage of EgyptAir flight 804

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:10 pm
by Aesma
ozglobal wrote:
CDG has approx 80 000 staff with airside access. Hundreds have had their access cancelled due to evidence of Islamic radicalization. A friend with a source at ADP, the group who administer the airports told him that the problem now is finding the staff who AREN'T likely to be being radicalised. Maybe an exaggeration, but most staff come from northern suburbs, seedbeds of discontent and radicalisation, and makeshift prayer rooms have been erected all over in storage rooms and the men, more and more under the Saudi and Qatar funded Salafist and Wahabist Imams and mosques who teach utter hatred of non-believers, declare their sect by cropping their hair to the scalp and growing out their beards. The press now speak less often of 'radicalisation' but more of passing from Salafit and Wahabist piety to "act." i.e. committing a terrorist attack.

What's the solution? Close down the airports? Religious profiling?


We should be seeing airliners dropping like flies if that was remotely true.

Re: Traces of explosives found on wreckage of EgyptAir flight 804

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:18 pm
by ozglobal
Aesma wrote:
ozglobal wrote:
CDG has approx 80 000 staff with airside access. Hundreds have had their access cancelled due to evidence of Islamic radicalization. A friend with a source at ADP, the group who administer the airports told him that the problem now is finding the staff who AREN'T likely to be being radicalised. Maybe an exaggeration, but most staff come from northern suburbs, seedbeds of discontent and radicalisation, and makeshift prayer rooms have been erected all over in storage rooms and the men, more and more under the Saudi and Qatar funded Salafist and Wahabist Imams and mosques who teach utter hatred of non-believers, declare their sect by cropping their hair to the scalp and growing out their beards. The press now speak less often of 'radicalisation' but more of passing from Salafit and Wahabist piety to "act." i.e. committing a terrorist attack.

What's the solution? Close down the airports? Religious profiling?


We should be seeing airliners dropping like flies if that was remotely true.



Unfortunately, it is more than 'remotely true.' I read articles in French. Here's one from last year from CNN in English:

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/26/europ ... -radicals/

Re: Traces of explosives found on wreckage of EgyptAir flight 804

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 12:21 am
by coolian2
ozglobal wrote:
declare their sect by cropping their hair to the scalp and growing out their beards.


Well I'm in trouble. I keep my hair super short to save shampoo (yeah I'm a cheapass) and I can't be arsed shaving often.

Re: Traces of explosives found on wreckage of EgyptAir flight 804

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:21 am
by Aesma
ozglobal wrote:
Aesma wrote:
ozglobal wrote:
CDG has approx 80 000 staff with airside access. Hundreds have had their access cancelled due to evidence of Islamic radicalization. A friend with a source at ADP, the group who administer the airports told him that the problem now is finding the staff who AREN'T likely to be being radicalised. Maybe an exaggeration, but most staff come from northern suburbs, seedbeds of discontent and radicalisation, and makeshift prayer rooms have been erected all over in storage rooms and the men, more and more under the Saudi and Qatar funded Salafist and Wahabist Imams and mosques who teach utter hatred of non-believers, declare their sect by cropping their hair to the scalp and growing out their beards. The press now speak less often of 'radicalisation' but more of passing from Salafit and Wahabist piety to "act." i.e. committing a terrorist attack.

What's the solution? Close down the airports? Religious profiling?


We should be seeing airliners dropping like flies if that was remotely true.


Unfortunately, it is more than 'remotely true.' I read articles in French. Here's one from last year from CNN in English:

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/26/europ ... -radicals/


What you wrote and what is in the article are far from being the same thing. Yes there has been a problem with some staff, too many to dismiss, but it doesn't make 80000 people still working there islamists like you're suggesting.

Re: Traces of explosives found on wreckage of EgyptAir flight 804

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:54 pm
by readytotaxi
Aesma wrote:
From the WSJ article, about the Russian airliner downed by a bomb : "The claim was initially dismissed by Egyptian authorities, who have yet to announce a cause of the disaster."

I wouldn't call that a clear acknowledgement.

Here the main problem, and what is discussed in France, is not even the cause of the crash, but the fact that Egypt is keeping the bodies. Disheartening for the families, and fuelling suspicions.


What, after all this time they still have the bodies, how terrible for the loved ones. :brokenheart:

Re: Traces of explosives found on wreckage of EgyptAir flight 804

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 8:13 pm
by VirginFlyer
HALtheAI wrote:
From the WSJ:

French investigators don’t agree with the Egyptians’ finding, a French official familiar with the investigation said.
...
Even though Paris objects to Egypt’s conclusion, the French official said they “can’t exclude that the plane was brought down intentionally.”

The French have been of the view that this was an onboard fire rather than something more nefarious from very early in the piece.

ozglobal wrote:
declare their sect by cropping their hair to the scalp and growing out their beards.

:redflag: I'm pretty sure you've just described the standard way Muslim men appear after having completed Hajj (pilgrimage), rather than a dress code for a particular sect.

V/F

Re: Traces of explosives found on wreckage of EgyptAir flight 804

Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2016 8:25 pm
by Aesma
readytotaxi wrote:
Aesma wrote:
From the WSJ article, about the Russian airliner downed by a bomb : "The claim was initially dismissed by Egyptian authorities, who have yet to announce a cause of the disaster."

I wouldn't call that a clear acknowledgement.

Here the main problem, and what is discussed in France, is not even the cause of the crash, but the fact that Egypt is keeping the bodies. Disheartening for the families, and fuelling suspicions.


What, after all this time they still have the bodies, how terrible for the loved ones. :brokenheart:


Yes. The Egyptian prosecutor has just announced that the bodies will be released, wait and see.