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Sat Nov 12, 2016 10:16 pm

Trump actually did say during the campaign he wouldn't just rip up the deal on day one, but would if there was any sign of a violation. He said he wouldn't have signed that deal in the first place.
 
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Sat Nov 12, 2016 10:23 pm

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I think the 12 A380s will be mainly used for California with it's large Iranian communities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Iranian_Americans_in_Los_Angeles

And of course LHR, CDG, FRA, JFK.

Iran is a kind of beautiful rich cultural country with a large well educated population.

It seems opportunities all over now we decided they are less evil.

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http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/media_gallery/photogallery/big/800x600_1453999435_Airbus-Infographic-Iran-order-Jan16.jpg

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Have they said that they're still going to take delivery of those 12? Last I heard those A380s were still on the deciding block.
 
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Iran Air say they will resume service to PEK and KUL this Dec but apparently they're going to use their old 747SP
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Tue Nov 15, 2016 2:36 am

HaHa. I laugh at the optimism of this thread. Yeah Donald Trump won, plans on putting in war monger John Bolton as Secretary of State and is going to tear up the deal that was just signed. Also Congress signed additional sanctions and the Iran Sanctions Act.

Wake up kids, its Mericuh.
 
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Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:47 am

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So when will the first a/c be delivered? October 2016 has been come and gone.


The lead time for new aircraft is 12 to 18 months, if not longer.
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Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:53 am

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So when will the first a/c be delivered? October 2016 has been come and gone.


I'm going to say that the fuzzy image of the A380 seen earlier in this topic is about as close as we will get to seeing these planes being delivered.

It is 15 November 2016 here, so that has proven the thread title wrong, and I would bet that the whole deal will be torn up. Or at the very least, certain political players will stir things up so as to create the right conditions where they can justify tearing up the deal. Logic and a hell of a lot of money gone down the drain.
 
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Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:56 am

October deliveries could never have been correct, it takes 12 to 18 months to assemble a brand new aircraft.
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Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:05 am

Isn't there one A380 at TLS that had it's yellow storage protection coating removed recently?

Aside from that I'd say the first deliveries might be ready made aircraft that were delayed,stored, cancelled and such. How about Transaero or Turkish?
Negotiations will have taken several years over all those issues concerning Iran. So there was a bit more time behind closed doors to set up everything already.
 
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Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:07 am

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Isn't there one A380 at TLS that had it's yellow storage protection coating removed recently?


Emirates is taking the A380s in storage.
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Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:20 am

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So when will the first a/c be delivered? October 2016 has been come and gone.

Today we expect to see the 1st A321 testflight for an iranian customer since decades. Msn 7418 D-AVXF, is still an all-white aircaft that was originally for Avianca, but re-allocated for Iran Air.

This frame is due for delivery to Iran Air before the end of the year. registration should be EP-IFA
 
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Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:21 am

Where did they find a delivery slot so quickly?

According to this site, MSN 7418 will go to Avianca.
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Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:07 pm

What about the ex-Avianca A330s due for IR this month?
 
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Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:09 pm

Those A330s are still parket at LETL with no activity around it.

Even if they take the A330s, redesigning the cabin takes months.
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Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:20 pm

just a sidenote: F1 testflight of msn 7418 was postponed until tomorrow
 
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Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:08 am

Guess the US Congress begs to differ, the deal is dead, time for Iran to go back to Russia and now China, even the SSJ100 is out of the question, they'll have to get TU-204s and IL96's.

https://www.rt.com/usa/367334-house-ira ... l-blocked/
 
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Fri Nov 18, 2016 11:52 am

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Guess the US Congress begs to differ, the deal is dead, time for Iran to go back to Russia and now China, even the SSJ100 is out of the question, they'll have to get TU-204s and IL96's.

https://www.rt.com/usa/367334-house-ira ... l-blocked/


A vote in the house does not kill the deal. It still has to go through the senate and the bill certainly will not pass while Obama is still president.

Trump is unpredictable. You can't believe what he said while campaigning. His anti immigrant and anti Islam attitude conflicts with his promises to promote US manufacturing and jobs. Getting into a political battle with the biggest exporter in the United States and potentially risking jobs could be enough for him to keep the deal. Everyone knows that the logic that the house republicans are using (these planes could carry weapons) makes no sense since Iran already has planes and illicit cargo doesn't care if it is a new plane or old plane.
 
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Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:15 pm

Newbiepilot wrote:
Wayfarer515 wrote:
Guess the US Congress begs to differ, the deal is dead, time for Iran to go back to Russia and now China, even the SSJ100 is out of the question, they'll have to get TU-204s and IL96's.

https://www.rt.com/usa/367334-house-ira ... l-blocked/


A vote in the house does not kill the deal. It still has to go through the senate and the bill certainly will not pass while Obama is still president.


Well the Senate will approve it since the Republicans control it and it looks like some Democrats don't like the deal. Obama will veto it and the margins are too small to overturn so the deal will remain in effect until the next Congress comes into session.


Newbiepilot wrote:
(And) Trump is unpredictable.


It's assured that the next House and Senate will pass another bill to kill the deal since the Republicans will still control both houses. Even if no one is absolutely sure whether Trump will veto or sign said bill, I can't see the financing that has already been lined up staying in force under the uncertainty of what Trump will do. So I think the deal is dead, at least for now.
 
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Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:00 pm

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Those order books looks like IR went on ebay and put everything
on their "watch " list. Let's see how many they actually end up
purchasing.


and let's see what will happen now that Donald Trump will become the next POTUS. This could be a real game changer.

Quote Defense News:

US Senate to Take Up Iran Sanctions Extension
By: Joe Gould, November 17, 2016 (Photo Credit: AFP)

WASHINGTON — The US Senate will take up a 10-year extension of American sanctions on Iran after the US House overwhelmingly passed the measure, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said Thursday.

With the sanctions, lawmakers would signal to President-elect Donald Trump that whatever his foreign policy, they intend to take a hard line against Tehran. For his part, Trump has criticized the controversial Iran nuclear deal and promised on the campaign trail to renegotiate it. That’s a complex proposition, as it involves seven nations and was endorsed by a UN Security Council resolution.

“This bipartisan bill, which provides the basis for any sanctions which may be re-imposed on Iran, is critical given the belligerent behavior exhibited by Tehran since the signing of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action,” McConnell said. “I expect we’ll pass it on an overwhelming bipartisan basis here too.

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Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:05 pm

Stitch wrote:
Newbiepilot wrote:
Wayfarer515 wrote:
Guess the US Congress begs to differ, the deal is dead, time for Iran to go back to Russia and now China, even the SSJ100 is out of the question, they'll have to get TU-204s and IL96's.

https://www.rt.com/usa/367334-house-ira ... l-blocked/


A vote in the house does not kill the deal. It still has to go through the senate and the bill certainly will not pass while Obama is still president.


Well the Senate will approve it since the Republicans control it and it looks like some Democrats don't like the deal. Obama will veto it and the margins are too small to overturn so the deal will remain in effect until the next Congress comes into session.


Newbiepilot wrote:
(And) Trump is unpredictable.


It's assured that the next House and Senate will pass another bill to kill the deal since the Republicans will still control both houses. Even if no one is absolutely sure whether Trump will veto or sign said bill, I can't see the financing that has already been lined up staying in force under the uncertainty of what Trump will do. So I think the deal is dead, at least for now.


Don't be so sure that the Senate will approve it. The Republicans don't have a filibuster-proof majority.
 
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Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:06 pm

Stitch wrote:
It's assured that the next House and Senate will pass another bill to kill the deal since the Republicans will still control both houses. Even if no one is absolutely sure whether Trump will veto or sign said bill, I can't see the financing that has already been lined up staying in force under the uncertainty of what Trump will do. So I think the deal is dead, at least for now.

You may very well be right. But I look forward to Trump and congressional Republicans (especially those representing WA state) traveling to Boeing plants (and to subcontractors) to explain why Boeing shouldn't get to build 100 new aircraft (among them desperately needed 747s and 777s) because the Republican establishment wants to punish and humiliate the Iranian population ("let's leave you stuck with 40 year old planes and no spare parts just a little while longer and see how you like it"), in order to pander to AIPAC and to Jewish and Evangelical voters while spouting - as already pointed out in the thread - ridiculous pretexts like "what if Iran turns the 777s into military freighters and uses them to run weapons to Hezbollah".

It will be tough for Donald Trump to tout "America first" and "American workers first" with any kind of credibility after that.
 
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Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:30 pm

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Stitch wrote:
Newbiepilot wrote:

A vote in the house does not kill the deal. It still has to go through the senate and the bill certainly will not pass while Obama is still president.


Well the Senate will approve it since the Republicans control it and it looks like some Democrats don't like the deal. Obama will veto it and the margins are too small to overturn so the deal will remain in effect until the next Congress comes into session.


Don't be so sure that the Senate will approve it. The Republicans don't have a filibuster-proof majority.


Fair enough, but to be honest, the current deal in place was done via Executive Order, so if Trump doesn't want to do it, he can just tell the Treasury Department to not issue the licenses.
 
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Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:41 pm

Stitch wrote:
NYCRuss wrote:
Stitch wrote:

Well the Senate will approve it since the Republicans control it and it looks like some Democrats don't like the deal. Obama will veto it and the margins are too small to overturn so the deal will remain in effect until the next Congress comes into session.


Don't be so sure that the Senate will approve it. The Republicans don't have a filibuster-proof majority.


Fair enough, but to be honest, the current deal in place was done via Executive Order, so if Trump doesn't want to do it, he can just tell the Treasury Department to not issue the licenses.

Trump can issue directives after he takes office, not before.
 
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Fri Nov 18, 2016 9:59 pm

NYCRuss wrote:
Stitch wrote:
NYCRuss wrote:

Don't be so sure that the Senate will approve it. The Republicans don't have a filibuster-proof majority.


Fair enough, but to be honest, the current deal in place was done via Executive Order, so if Trump doesn't want to do it, he can just tell the Treasury Department to not issue the licenses.

Trump can issue directives after he takes office, not before.


Of course. My point is that Trump takes office in just over 60 days - that's so close that even if the Senate doesn't vote in favor or if they do and Obama vetoes it, will the financiers already lined up for this first tranche of planes go forward with the fear that any future sales tranches might not go forward or that they might not be able to get support (training, spares, etc.) for the planes that they could conceivably place in this first tranche?

And even if the financiers are willing, will Iran Air still be willing to take this first tranche is there is a real perceived risk they won't be able to get training or spares for them?'

And are Airbus and Boeing in a position to deliver those planes before January 20, 2017? In theory one A321-200 is ready to go now, but Boeing is not ready to deliver any of their frames and I am not sure Airbus has any others ready, either.
 
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Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:44 pm

Stitch, I think another factor is that Trump would get significant pressure to keep the deal. The Israeli lobby is quite powerful and very influential in the Republican ranks, but if Trump blocks Airbus and Boeing sales, not only would Boeing, GE, etc be lobbying hard, but Trump would be going against Germany, France, Spain, United Kingdom, etc. it is really easy for the house to pass a bill to block a deal. The House passes all sorts of unrealistic bills. The senate is where the lobbyists are more powerful and the President is the one who has to respond to heads of state of other countries. Is the Israel and other lobby groups that wants to keep Iran out of the world market stronger than American manufacturing and European heads of state? I would be surprised if that is true regardless of political party.
 
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Fri Nov 18, 2016 11:06 pm

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Treasury Department to not issue the licenses.

Trump can issue directives after he takes office, not before.[/quote]

Reagan for example did extensive foreign talks to really kick his competitor in the shins.
( sidelining ( Carter) in talks with Iran over hostages even well before the presidential elections
which came partly to the suraface in the roll up of the Iran contra affair.
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GOP to push Mc Cain afaics tried something similar in Ukraine. ( not freeing hostages, obviously ,
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Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:32 am

Not sure if Obama was moving on his own as there were 4 other nations, 3 of them UN security council Veto powers (i.e. China, Germany, France, UK) which went along with him.
 
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Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:02 pm

It doesn't look like the deal can be blocked.

Airbus, Boeing still can sell planes to Iran Air
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Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:17 pm

Interesting new bit of information, especially in the light of the recent move by the House:

U.S. grants Airbus license to sell 106 planes to Iran.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-aviation-usa-idUSKBN13H1W0
 
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Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:19 pm

In addition, Airbus and Iran Air seem to have finished the contract. All they need to do is signing the papers.

http://www.aviationiran.com/2016/11/22/ ... signature/
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Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:29 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
It doesn't look like the deal can be blocked.


It cannot be blocked by the current House bill as that just forbids US-based financing.

But as Mr. Hamilton notes, the next Congress and the President could craft and sign into law a more strict bill that would either stop the sales or make it impossible for them to go forward by forbidding spares, training and other critical ancillaries needed to actually operate the airframes in regular service.

The President can also direct the Treasury Department to retroactively pull the export certificates which would prevent the delivery of airframes yet to be produced or delivered.

The key question is would they do it considering the other Nation States involved in the deal would oppose such a move by the US.
 
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Tue Nov 22, 2016 7:14 pm

I suspect that the other nations would throw an absolute wobbly; the ability to sell aircraft to Iran is a small part of a much bigger deal which took a long time to work out. To torpedo the ability of Iran to acquire aircraft could undermine the whole deal. Leaving aside the whole airline re-fleeting, it undermines work done by hundreds of officials in several countries and could create a significant divide between the EU and US.

However, given Iran's closeness to Putin and Donald's closeness to Putin as well, I suspect that discussions will be had at that level. However, it can also be hoped that wiser heads in the administration will prevail (there are bound to be some, at some stage) and will point out that there is NOTHING positive likely to emerge that would benefit America, from torpedoing this deal. Nothing. Leaving aside the damage to Boeing, it would cause friction with (soon to be ex-) close allies and threaten a reopening of an unstable period in the Middle East. I'd like to think America would know better, but recent events make that a very questionable assertion ...
 
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German magazine Der Spiegel are reporting that US authorities have cleared the sale and delivery of 108 aircraft to Iran. This is 10 ten lower than originally expected but might come as a great relief to Airbus in light of the incoming administration.

Link in German only: http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/untern ... 22614.html
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Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:05 pm

Are there any A380 included in these first 108 aircraft?
In the recent years, Airbus always found a last minute solution to avoid a "0 order" in a calendar year (there aren't any holes between 2003 and 2015!). Iran Air is probably their last chance for 2016. Your thoughts?
 
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Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:09 pm

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Are there any A380 included in these first 108 aircraft?


Nobody knows the final breakdown.

The original order was for 118 aircraft. Airbus received licenses for 17 planes in September, and now another 106 for a total of 123 aircraft. Some planes may be leased from the second hand market.
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Scorpio wrote:
Interesting new bit of information, especially in the light of the recent move by the House:

U.S. grants Airbus license to sell 106 planes to Iran.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-aviation-usa-idUSKBN13H1W0

Interesting tidbit in that article:

Some aircraft have been canceled because of delays in receiving authorizations, and officials say Iran no longer plans to take delivery of A380 superjumbos, so the final tally is likely to be closer to 100 aircraft.


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VirginFlyer wrote:
Scorpio wrote:
Interesting new bit of information, especially in the light of the recent move by the House:

U.S. grants Airbus license to sell 106 planes to Iran.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-aviation-usa-idUSKBN13H1W0

Interesting tidbit in that article:

Some aircraft have been canceled because of delays in receiving authorizations, and officials say Iran no longer plans to take delivery of A380 superjumbos, so the final tally is likely to be closer to 100 aircraft.


V/F


Interesting is also that the article quotes Airbus representatives on other things, but the quote about not taking the A380 are unspecified "officials".
 
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So when will the first a/c be delivered? October 2016 has been come and gone.

The likely delivery should begin from 2017 on schedule I think, because until today, no further delivery were made.
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RacheyFlies wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
So when will the first a/c be delivered? October 2016 has been come and gone.

The likely delivery should begin from 2017 on schedule I think, because until today, no further delivery were made.


Much sooner than 2017, the A321 known to be EP-IFA, should be delivered withing few days or week, as soon as the sign the final paper works :)
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RacheyFlies wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
So when will the first a/c be delivered? October 2016 has been come and gone.

The likely delivery should begin from 2017 on schedule I think, because until today, no further delivery were made.


What schedule? I don't understand your post.
 
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Wed Nov 23, 2016 7:57 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
RacheyFlies wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
So when will the first a/c be delivered? October 2016 has been come and gone.

The likely delivery should begin from 2017 on schedule I think, because until today, no further delivery were made.


What schedule? I don't understand your post.


Sassy...

He means deliveries will not be done before predicted.
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It looks great! Hopefully we get to see a picture in clear weather soon!
 
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Interesting is also that the article quotes Airbus representatives on other things, but the quote about not taking the A380 are unspecified "officials".


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Hmm, wonder what is happening to the A380, as per todays News?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... -customers
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Iran Air opts out of the 748 and the A380… No big birds from anybody.
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Re: Iran Air Airbus, Boeing, ATR Deliveries May Start in OCT 2016

Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:32 am

Stitch wrote:
Newbiepilot wrote:
Wayfarer515 wrote:
Guess the US Congress begs to differ, the deal is dead, time for Iran to go back to Russia and now China, even the SSJ100 is out of the question, they'll have to get TU-204s and IL96's.

https://www.rt.com/usa/367334-house-ira ... l-blocked/


A vote in the house does not kill the deal. It still has to go through the senate and the bill certainly will not pass while Obama is still president.


Well the Senate will approve it since the Republicans control it and it looks like some Democrats don't like the deal. Obama will veto it and the margins are too small to overturn so the deal will remain in effect until the next Congress comes into session.


Newbiepilot wrote:
(And) Trump is unpredictable.


It's assured that the next House and Senate will pass another bill to kill the deal since the Republicans will still control both houses. Even if no one is absolutely sure whether Trump will veto or sign said bill, I can't see the financing that has already been lined up staying in force under the uncertainty of what Trump will do. So I think the deal is dead, at least for now.


I would not count on the Senate. On any legislation, much less this. The Democrats will do the same thing their counterparts have done for eight years - invoke cloture. That assures not much gets voted on. It may be tit-for-tat, but it will happen at some point. Hell, if Trump goes rogue, the GOP may have to fight him.
 
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Re: Iran Air Airbus, Boeing, ATR Deliveries May Start in OCT 2016

Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:18 pm

Please continue here:

Boeing:

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Airbus:

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