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Is G4 interested in larger airports?

Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:40 pm

G4 has added some larger airports and markets over the past few months, and with today's announcement of G4 moving CAK flights to CLE, does this spark an interest in G4 to do DTW, MDW, PHL, ATL, MSP?
 
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Re: Is G4 interested in larger airports?

Wed Sep 21, 2016 8:25 pm

I'm sure G4 is considering those airports.

I would find interesting if it connected SFB to some of those big market hub airports. Along with getting some low fare seeking traffic to Orlando, I wonder if it could pull from locals in Altamonte Springs to Lake Mary, as well as Daytona customers, heading up north to those major markets? SFB would be a closer and less hassle experience and Allegiant even has TSA PreCheck. A lot of people who live in greater Orlando have family and friend connections up north. Granted frequency would suck compared to MCO, but some will schedule their plans around the flights.

Interestingly, Frontier will cover PHL-PGD and G4 will start at TTN. I don't know if G4 can expand much at TTN, and if will consider PHL and want to be head to head against AA on anything more than SFB. SFB is far enough away from MCO to be probably be viewed capturing some different local market.
 
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Re: Is G4 interested in larger airports?

Wed Sep 21, 2016 8:53 pm

When I worked there, there was a list circulating of larger airports that G4 was looking at to potentially take the place of smaller airports.

AZA to PHX
OGD and PVU to SLC
RFD to MDW/ORD
CAK and YNG to CLE (looks like it only took CAK though)
TOL to DTW

There were quite a few on the list. Those are the ones I can remember. There were also airport of potential cities they were looking into flying. The major ones I remember seeing are BHM, JFK/LGA (they chose EWR), RDD, BFM, GEG, PDK (after proposed runway upgrade), MGM, and I think it was LBB.
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Re: Is G4 interested in larger airports?

Wed Sep 21, 2016 9:14 pm

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TOL to DTW


I would see FNT go before TOL, FNT isn't doing so hot, I also believe that WN will move their operations to DTW from FNT. Load factors don't look hot. I think they would make SFB work well, since DAB has been looking for a few opportunities to get linked to DTW, SFB would be a start. Orlando has 2 markets to Detroit but the MCO capture is larger since most folks go to Osceola, Polk and Brevard in the Central region, PIE would work well too.
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Re: Is G4 interested in larger airports?

Wed Sep 21, 2016 11:22 pm

aviationjunky wrote:
When I worked there, there was a list circulating of larger airports that G4 was looking at to potentially take the place of smaller airports.

AZA to PHX
OGD and PVU to SLC
RFD to MDW/ORD
CAK and YNG to CLE (looks like it only took CAK though)
TOL to DTW

There were quite a few on the list. Those are the ones I can remember. There were also airport of potential cities they were looking into flying. The major ones I remember seeing are BHM, JFK/LGA (they chose EWR), RDD, BFM, GEG, PDK (after proposed runway upgrade), MGM, and I think it was LBB.


-AZA to PHX was probably like how G4 played MCO against SFB a few years back - to get a better deal from AZA.
-SLC doesn't have a strict leisure ULCC. That could happen.
-There's no gate space at ORD, so if G4 moves from RFD, it will be to MKE. But I do see MDW as well - both as MDW's first ULCC and to fill the void that FL left to Florida. MDW would have to be a strict Airbus station, though, because of the runway length.
-TOL to DTW should make TOL worried. G4 handles over 60% of the pax at TOL. And believe it or not, TOL gets most of their revenue from pax-related sources. Losing G4 could mean losing Eagle, which means losing air service entirely. As others have said, NK and F9 already offer a combined massive amount of leisure ULCC flights at DTW. But TOL should not take this potential switch lightly if the airport's pax service future is on the line.
-The potential cities list proves that G4 still sees their bread and butter coming from small and midsize cities. The recent addition of EVV in the shadow of their existing OWB station is one example. G4 could have decided to go to SDF because that's the primary leakage point for EVV, but they chose not to. The decision to keep YNG in the face of the CLE announcement and PIT close by is another excellent example - many of these smaller cities hold their own for G4.
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Re: Is G4 interested in larger airports?

Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:01 am

Well they will be starting EWR soon. I think RFD is far enough from ORD/MDW that if either one were to get G4 they would retain service. Chicago would be a good focus city to sell vacation packages. I could see MKE being another city for G4.
At some point I think we will see them also in DFW and IAH/HOU also.
 
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Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:13 am

CIDFlyer wrote:
Well they will be starting EWR soon. I think RFD is far enough from ORD/MDW that if either one were to get G4 they would retain service. Chicago would be a good focus city to sell vacation packages. I could see MKE being another city for G4.
At some point I think we will see them also in DFW and IAH/HOU also.

I was told in another thread that "MKE is coming."
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Re: Is G4 interested in larger airports?

Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:29 am

So, is G4 done with RDU? We have the same 3 stations we started with and no new ones in any horizon.. Is there a possibility of new service?
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Re: Is G4 interested in larger airports?

Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:57 am

ERJ170 wrote:
So, is G4 done with RDU? We have the same 3 stations we started with and no new ones in any horizon.. Is there a possibility of new service?


I still think not adding MSY from RDU is a mistake. AUS and MEM would be great adds too.
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Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:10 am

G4 is starting DEN-MTJ in December.
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Re: Is G4 interested in larger airports?

Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:13 am

intotheair wrote:
G4 is starting DEN-MTJ in December.


Why go with DEN, surely there are better options than DEN that would yield better traffic and results for G4?
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Re: Is G4 interested in larger airports?

Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:22 am

alasizon wrote:
intotheair wrote:
G4 is starting DEN-MTJ in December.


Why go with DEN, surely there are better options than DEN that would yield better traffic and results for G4?


They pulled out of FNL in 2012. Not sure of all the reasons behind it, but I would imagine FNL is a tough sell as a replacement for DEN. G4 also serves COS, but I don't think anyone in DEN would think to go that far south.
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Re: Is G4 interested in larger airports?

Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:09 am

ERJ170 wrote:
So, is G4 done with RDU? We have the same 3 stations we started with and no new ones in any horizon.. Is there a possibility of new service?
Should Allegiant fly to DTW I personally think RDU would be a great route. The market has been strengthening with just DL as the carrier.
 
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Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:00 pm

I think they could make a killing if they could find a way to make DET work for them. The airport is well located from the passenger base they cater to.
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Re: Is G4 interested in larger airports?

Thu Sep 22, 2016 9:50 pm

ERJ170 wrote:
So, is G4 done with RDU? We have the same 3 stations we started with and no new ones in any horizon.. Is there a possibility of new service?


Generally G4 expands in two scenarios:
1) The airport offers incentives. So maybe RDU needs to offer up some freebies to gain a new route.
2) The route is very profitable. USA-FLL for example.
 
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Re: Is G4 interested in larger airports?

Fri Sep 23, 2016 10:58 am

There were quite a few on the list. Those are the ones I can remember. There were also airport of potential cities they were looking into flying. The major ones I remember seeing are BHM, JFK/LGA (they chose EWR), RDD, BFM, GEG, PDK (after proposed runway upgrade), MGM, and I think it was LBB.
While Im all about G4 coming here to Mobile, I highly doubt BFM would be one of the airports, as here at BFM there are no scheduled airline services. No terminal here. However on the other side of town there's MOB, where the airline service does go to.
 
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Re: Is G4 interested in larger airports?

Fri Sep 23, 2016 11:00 am

aviationjunky wrote:
When I worked there, there was a list circulating of larger airports that G4 was looking at to potentially take the place of smaller airports.

AZA to PHX
OGD and PVU to SLC
RFD to MDW/ORD
CAK and YNG to CLE (looks like it only took CAK though)
TOL to DTW

There were quite a few on the list. Those are the ones I can remember. There were also airport of potential cities they were looking into flying. The major ones I remember seeing are BHM, JFK/LGA (they chose EWR), RDD, BFM, GEG, PDK (after proposed runway upgrade), MGM, and I think it was LBB.

While Im all about G4 coming here to Mobile, I highly doubt BFM would be one of the airports, as here at BFM there are no scheduled airline services. No terminal here. However on the other side of town there's MOB, where the airline service does go to
 
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Re: Is G4 interested in larger airports?

Fri Sep 23, 2016 1:08 pm

iFlyDTW wrote:
G4 has added some larger airports and markets over the past few months, and with today's announcement of G4 moving CAK flights to CLE, does this spark an interest in G4 to do DTW, MDW, PHL, ATL, MSP?


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Re: Is G4 interested in larger airports?

Fri Sep 23, 2016 6:50 pm

alasizon wrote:
intotheair wrote:
G4 is starting DEN-MTJ in December.


Why go with DEN, surely there are better options than DEN that would yield better traffic and results for G4?


MTJ in conjunction with Telluride has offered subsidies in the past to G4 and other airlines to boost ski traffic. My guess, is the subsidy had something to do with DEN and seeing as though G4 can run this as an inside turn from another base, it wouldn't hurt them operationally!
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Re: Is G4 interested in larger airports?

Fri Sep 23, 2016 7:37 pm

Fixinthe757 wrote:
While Im all about G4 coming here to Mobile, I highly doubt BFM would be one of the airports, as here at BFM there are no scheduled airline services. No terminal here. However on the other side of town there's MOB, where the airline service does go to.


Neither did AZA until G4 rolled through. There was nothing there then G4 opened a hanger as a terminal and they expanded. It all depends on how well it does. G4 rarely goes into a large airport. If the operating costs are lower at BGM, they will go with BGM.
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Re: Is G4 interested in larger airports?

Fri Sep 23, 2016 7:52 pm

CIDFlyer wrote:
Well they will be starting EWR soon. I think RFD is far enough from ORD/MDW that if either one were to get G4 they would retain service. Chicago would be a good focus city to sell vacation packages. I could see MKE being another city for G4.
At some point I think we will see them also in DFW and IAH/HOU also.


GYY is another possibility. G4 complained the runway was too short during their last attempt. Now the runway has been extended it could see renewed interest. Or should be if G4 was truthful about the runway being the primary problem.
 
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Re: Is G4 interested in larger airports?

Sat Sep 24, 2016 3:14 am

G4 will stay at AZA through 2017 at which point it is likely they will jump to PHX.
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Re: Is G4 interested in larger airports?

Sat Sep 24, 2016 8:00 am

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G4 will stay at AZA through 2017 at which point it is likely they will jump to PHX.

There is not enough room for G4 at PHX at the moment to move their operation from AZA
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Re: Is G4 interested in larger airports?

Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:52 pm

That is why they will be at AZA through next year. Once the T3 south extension opens there will be more room at PHX.
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Re: Is G4 interested in larger airports?

Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:53 pm

That is why they will be at AZA through next year. Once the T3 south extension opens there will be more room at PHX.
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Re: Is G4 interested in larger airports?

Sat Sep 24, 2016 8:19 pm

there will be plenty of room at PHX after 2017 when AA starts dismantling the redundant hub
 
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Re: Is G4 interested in larger airports?

Sun Sep 25, 2016 12:10 am

Hoping G4 adds PVD. They are light in New England and I doubt they'd go into BOS proper.

They coukd even somewhat avoid B6 & WN by serving JAX, MYR, SAV, MSY, PDG, PIE, and SFB. If they ever do longer haul stuff, LAS and AZA are among PVD's largest unserved markets.
 
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Re: Is G4 interested in larger airports?

Sun Sep 25, 2016 8:32 am

PEK777 wrote:
there will be plenty of room at PHX after 2017 when AA starts dismantling the redundant hub


I'm not sure that AA's PHX hub is in any danger in the near term.

As has been explained before, PHX is not analogous to CLE, CVG, MEM, PIT, or STL. PHX has a larger population and significantly larger O/D base than any of those other cities. AA has also spent a significant amount of capital in improvements at PHX recently. PHX will be "right-sized" but that "right-sizing" may not be an extreme drop in capacity, and actually appears may result in additional regional flying at the expense of mainline frequencies to destinations also served heavily by WN.

Back to the original topic, I think that G4 would like to move the operation to PHX and may eventually do so in the next few years, especially if G4 wants to expand its operation.
 
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Re: Is G4 interested in larger airports?

Sun Oct 02, 2016 4:05 pm

Isn't AZA though expanding the airport and building a new terminal? That would be quite a switch to drop AZA and move. AZA is one of the fastest growing airports in the USA. G4 tried experimenting with moving some flights to MCO from SFB but ended up moving everything back.
 
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Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:08 am

CIDFlyer wrote:
Isn't AZA though expanding the airport and building a new terminal? That would be quite a switch to drop AZA and move. AZA is one of the fastest growing airports in the USA. G4 tried experimenting with moving some flights to MCO from SFB but ended up moving everything back.


AZA is talking about expanding and building a new terminal but hasn't broken ground on anything.

I think that the future of AZA is directly tied to whether or not AA keeps its hub at PHX. If AA significantly shrinks at PHX, there will be plenty of space (and plenty of incentive) to utilize the existing infrastructure at PHX as opposed to building a redundant facility at AZA that isn't nearly as centrally located.

Remember, the city of Phoenix is one of the board members of AZA and will be adamantly apposed to anything at AZA that competes against their crown jewel of PHX.

The verbiage that every public official has used to describe AZA is as a "reliever" airport to PHX and not a competitor.

If 35 - 45 gates suddenly open up at PHX with a hub closure, AZA isn't going to build a large terminal to compete with vacant space at PHX.
 
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Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:51 am

One board member opposed isn't anything compared to 5 members for.
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Re: Is G4 interested in larger airports?

Mon Oct 03, 2016 8:08 am

Does G4 still fly to Islip? Weren't they flying ISP-SFB?

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