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Hawaiian looking at A380

Wed Sep 21, 2016 11:18 pm

 
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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Wed Sep 21, 2016 11:28 pm

The argument for using the superjumbo, which might be available on attractive terms either from Airbus or, soon, in the second-hand market, isn’t conclusive and Hawaiian needs convincing of the business case, Dunkerley said.

That quote alone should tell us how much stock we should put into believing this ridiculous article-- none.

Granted, I'm sure they're "looking at" and "considering it".... just as I'm equally sure that they're going to run away from such a proposal, as fast as they can.
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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Wed Sep 21, 2016 11:33 pm

Must be a slow news day.
 
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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Wed Sep 21, 2016 11:50 pm

One has to ask, on what routes would a HA 380 even fly? The only route I can think of that comes close to justifying the lift of a 380 would be HNLLAX. However, that route is flown with an average of 2-3 330s daily. If the 380 was purchased, HA would almost certainly have to go from 2-3x 330 flights to 1x 380. 1 daily flight would struggle to compete with the 3-4 flights AA,DL,UA each operate. Frequency is a key factor to US travelers.

The second largest market to HNL after HNLLAX is HNLTYO. The 380 is a nonstarter for HA as there are no less than 5 other airlines plying that route daily. While it looks like the NH 380's may come to fruition NH has feed HA could never match.

Lastly, cargo is important to HA and the 380 is a dog when it comes to cargo.
 
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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Wed Sep 21, 2016 11:56 pm

It all depends on what they can get them for, but there's a reason that nobody is flying to Hawaii with 747s anymore. And the induction expenses would be enormous. I have to think that an unbiased analysis would come to the same place that the market actually has: people prefer the convenience of more options over the "joy" of travelling on a bigger jet.

Back when this was an intellectual exercise, A said that there was a huge market for the A380 because it would have all these amenities -- a cruise ship in the sky, and people would prefer it, and efficiency would result. B said smaller aircraft with more frequency would be preferred. At given the current (and last-decade) market conditions, the public, and hence the airlines, confirmed B's view. The A380 has done great for Emirates, which can force people onto big trunk routes. But otherwise, it's just too much plane. And of course, predictably, the cruise-ship-in-the-sky configurations never happened.
 
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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:01 am

Think the above posters have all nailed it.

The fact they have ordered A321NEOs, shows they are going for smaller jets to more destinations (and I am sure frequency in some cases). AS has created a massive market mainland to HA with 737s.

If they wanted more capacity, they would top off the A332s with an order of A333s.
 
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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:05 am

wjcandee wrote:
The A380 has done great for Emirates, which can force people onto big trunk routes. .


Tim Clark could probably make the A380 work on trans-Pacific, using HNL as the hub. LOL.

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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:10 am

wjcandee wrote:
It all depends on what they can get them for, but there's a reason that nobody is flying to Hawaii with 747s anymore. And the induction expenses would be enormous. I have to think that an unbiased analysis would come to the same place that the market actually has: people prefer the convenience of more options over the "joy" of travelling on a bigger jet.

Back when this was an intellectual exercise, A said that there was a huge market for the A380 because it would have all these amenities -- a cruise ship in the sky, and people would prefer it, and efficiency would result. B said smaller aircraft with more frequency would be preferred. At given the current (and last-decade) market conditions, the public, and hence the airlines, confirmed B's view. The A380 has done great for Emirates, which can force people onto big trunk routes. But otherwise, it's just too much plane. And of course, predictably, the cruise-ship-in-the-sky configurations never happened.


More to your point, HA is a boutique leisure airline. If you look at the seat counts on their planes, they are high density. It is conceivable that a HA 380 would have 500+ seats. There is no route to HI that needs that amount of lift from a single aircraft. Currently, the highest single plane seat count on any domestic HI flight is UA's new 77G configuration at 364 seats. UA can manage this as they operate these aircraft nonstop from hubs with no competition (DEN,IAH,ORD) and have considerable feed from around their system. An HA 380 would have nearly 200 more seats with significantly less feed and has a "monopoly" on no domestic route that could justify an aircraft of that size.

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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:13 am

Interesting. This article took Dunkerley's words and twisted them a bit differently than a similar article I read earlier today, in the Wall Street Journal. http://www.wsj.com/articles/hawaiian-airlines-chief-says-hes-open-to-nonstops-to-europe-if-new-jet-is-1474477013?mod=yahoo_hs This article actually portrays a more realstic explanation around the comments. I think everyone knows, including Dunkerley, that an A380 is highly unlikely at HAL or even at any other US carrier at this point. Why on earth would HA want 380s when they thought the A350-900 was too large? What an awful article.
 
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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:34 am

While I'm a big proponent of the A380, even I can only LOL at this.
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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:48 am

They find the A330-300 too large. The A380 is laughable.
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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:58 am

LAX772LR wrote:
The argument for using the superjumbo, which might be available on attractive terms either from Airbus or, soon, in the second-hand market, isn’t conclusive and Hawaiian needs convincing of the business case, Dunkerley said.

That quote alone should tell us how much stock we should put into believing this ridiculous article-- none.

Granted, I'm sure they're "looking at" and "considering it".... just as I'm equally sure that they're going to run away from such a proposal, as fast as they can.


This is not Airbus saying they are making a pitch, as they often do, as do Boeing. This is the HA CEO. He says he is looking at it seriously. That does not mean it is going to happen, of course.

Dunkerley, 52, said the airline is looking seriously at whether the Airbus A380 might have a role to play within its network, especially on routes such as those from Honolulu to Los Angeles and Tokyo, which it serves with smaller wide-body planes six times and three times daily respectively.
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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:02 am

I like the ideal, HA has a great market in Australia, and I think it worth a try for HA the lease 2 A380s for the HNL-SYD-HNL route.
 
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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:08 am

853 passenger configuration for LAX/SFO. That would put a dent in the airfare if they could fill it, hehe...
 
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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:11 am

LAX772LR wrote:
The argument for using the superjumbo, which might be available on attractive terms either from Airbus or, soon, in the second-hand market, isn’t conclusive and Hawaiian needs convincing of the business case, Dunkerley said.

That quote alone should tell us how much stock we should put into believing this ridiculous article-- none.

Granted, I'm sure they're "looking at" and "considering it".... just as I'm equally sure that they're going to run away from such a proposal, as fast as they can.

DITTO. On what route would they ever need anything larger than what they currently fly? I love Hawaiian and want them to be successfull, but this is pie in the sky!
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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:19 am

The Wall Street Journal had an article from I think today or at the very least, this week, suggesting that HA might look at the A330-NEO and consider nonstop flights to Europe from HNL, particularly LHR which, the article states, would clock in at 15 hours, thereby exceeding the 13 hour range of the A330-200 they currently fly. Seems a bit far fetched. I love Hawaii but it is still primarily a leisure market. The A380 would only really make sense for LAX and maybe SFO and if they did acquire it, but as others have said, the fares would hit rock bottom.
 
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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:30 am

The most interesting part to me was this quote:

“If at some point an offer from somebody else comes on the table, that will have to compete with what our future looks like as a stand-alone,” he said. “I don’t think it’s appropriate for any management team ever to say,‘No, we’re not prepared to consider an offer.’ Down the road, who knows.”

Hello AA/DL/UA?
 
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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:31 am

RickNRoll wrote:
This is not Airbus saying they are making a pitch, as they often do, as do Boeing. This is the HA CEO. He says he is looking at it seriously. That does not mean it is going to happen, of course.

Well aware of who's saying what; statement remains the same.
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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:40 am

Since it seems arduous for people to read the whole thread before commenting, I'll my my point again. Clearly, Dunkerley's words were taken out of context. Two articles that were written based on information given from a single speech are drawing different, though somewhat similar conclusions. This isn't pie in the sky CEO dreaming or an airline attempting to be something it isn't or can't. HAL is very well run with calculated plans. They do not shoot from the hip and do things irrationally. Bottom line... there's no place for the 380 at HAL and essentially Dunkerley is looking for Airbus to confirm what I assume are his suspicions. If the 350-900 was too big, how would the 380 make sense? These articles are woefully out of context and are doing nothing but fuel wild and incoherent speculation.
 
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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:48 am

I thought it was April Fools Day... LAX is probably the only place this would work for HA... maybe TYO. The Bay Area to Hawaii market is very fragmented whereas SoCal is all centered around LAX. HA flies 8 routes from three airports for example and AS flies 8 routes from two (SJC & OAK.). Bay Area people want Hawaii service that's close to home. I would venture to say that if HA acquired the A380 and they desired to fly it to the Bay Area, they would look to OAK. THAT would be a sight!
 
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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:00 am

Huh, I didn't know it was April Fools Day today.
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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:18 am

RickNRoll wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
The argument for using the superjumbo, which might be available on attractive terms either from Airbus or, soon, in the second-hand market, isn’t conclusive and Hawaiian needs convincing of the business case, Dunkerley said.

That quote alone should tell us how much stock we should put into believing this ridiculous article-- none.

Granted, I'm sure they're "looking at" and "considering it".... just as I'm equally sure that they're going to run away from such a proposal, as fast as they can.


This is not Airbus saying they are making a pitch, as they often do, as do Boeing. This is the HA CEO. He says he is looking at it seriously. That does not mean it is going to happen, of course.

Dunkerley, 52, said the airline is looking seriously at whether the Airbus A380 might have a role to play within its network, especially on routes such as those from Honolulu to Los Angeles and Tokyo, which it serves with smaller wide-body planes six times and three times daily respectively.
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I hope he does buy it. And promptly sinks Hawaiian into the ground, thus proving all the above posters correct. He shouldn't even be seriously looking at it. Just the fact that he's considering it should be an offense worth getting him fired.

Hawaiian is just fine without the A380. I bet every airline serving Hawaii right now are salivating at the prospect of Dunkerley thinking of launching Hawaiian into the Sea of Dead Airlines by buying a hopelessly too large aircraft.
 
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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:23 am

lol
 
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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:27 am

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I hope he does buy it. And promptly sinks Hawaiian into the ground, thus proving all the above posters correct. He shouldn't even be seriously looking at it. Just the fact that he's considering it should be an offense worth getting him fired. Hawaiian is just fine without the A380. I bet every airline serving Hawaii right now are salivating at the prospect of Dunkerley thinking of launching Hawaiian into the Sea of Dead Airlines by buying a hopelessly too large aircraft.


Aaaaand on that note, I'm out. Clearly a rational discussion cannot be had. My how this place has fallen... :roll:
 
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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:34 am

Pretty sure they are also looking at the Concorde
 
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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:41 am

I feel like they would consider the A350 or even 777 way before the A380. This title is nothing more than propaganda for a lagging assembly line...
 
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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:44 am

neutronstar73 wrote:
I hope he does buy it. And promptly sinks Hawaiian into the ground, thus proving all the above posters correct. He shouldn't even be seriously looking at it. Just the fact that he's considering it should be an offense worth getting him fired.

Hawaiian is just fine without the A380. I bet every airline serving Hawaii right now are salivating at the prospect of Dunkerley thinking of launching Hawaiian into the Sea of Dead Airlines by buying a hopelessly too large aircraft.

Not sure if you're serious or just really bad at humor; but in either case, the airline's management would be derelict of their duties if they didn't consider the numbers on all potential such options at their disposal, regardless of how it might seem on the surface.
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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:09 am

A highish density A380 taking holiday traffic LHR/LGW-HNL may work if they partnered with BA or TUI, not saying its likely but its not ridiculous either.

If you can non stop Europe fron HNL a codeshare with QF could get you some Australia to EU traffic too
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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:23 am

77H wrote:
One has to ask, on what routes would a HA 380 even fly? The only route I can think of that comes close to justifying the lift of a 380 would be HNLLAX. However, that route is flown with an average of 2-3 330s daily. If the 380 was purchased, HA would almost certainly have to go from 2-3x 330 flights to 1x 380. 1 daily flight would struggle to compete with the 3-4 flights AA,DL,UA each operate.


I would throw HNL-LAS into that as well once LAS completes the upgrades to easily accomdate the 380.

With the 2x330 there could be room to move up with a single flight, though the HA locals do love the 1.55am departure out of LAS and the LAS locals prefer the 9.15am and hey maybe we move our charter from Omni over to HA and throw another 276 seats on to the HA flight...


coolian2 wrote:
While I'm a big proponent of the A380, even I can only LOL at this.


Agreed

Cointrin330 wrote:
The Wall Street Journal had an article from I think today or at the very least, this week, suggesting that HA might look at the A330-NEO and consider nonstop flights to Europe from HNL, particularly LHR which, the article states, would clock in at 15 hours, thereby exceeding the 13 hour range of the A330-200 they currently fly. Seems a bit far fetched. I love Hawaii but it is still primarily a leisure market. The A380 would only really make sense for LAX and maybe SFO and if they did acquire it, but as others have said, the fares would hit rock bottom.


Someone putting forward the non stop HNL - Europe flight is pretty common, there are plenty of threads on here that discuss it to death.

Now, while I don't think it will ever happen, we do have to sit back and remember that SQ and EK will have 388's coming off lease in the next couple of years, it's already been made clear that they are being returned and as of yet there seems to be noone lining up to take them, so the choices could be either part them out or put them up for sale at a low price, at that point could HA (and other airlines) look at those 388's, look at the low aquistion costs and the low current fuel costs and roll the dice with them ? I think an airline will, will be HA, I doubt it, but who knows.
 
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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:28 am

flyfresno wrote:
I feel like they would consider the A350 or even 777 way before the A380. This title is nothing more than propaganda for a lagging assembly line...


FFS did you even read the article?! There was no-one from Airbus quoted or referenced in the article so why are you slighting them for propaganda?

Secondly, if you knew anything about HA, you'd know that they'd had the A350 on order already but, with Airbus' reticence to go ahead with the -800, HA moved their order to the A330-800neo.

The A380, whether second-hand or new, almost certainly has no place in the HA fleet but without due diligence how are they to be certain?
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Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:33 am

I can't believe this is on bloomberg of all websites. It's equally amazing at how bad the finance industry's 'analysts' cover the aviation industry.
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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:42 am

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A highish density A380 taking holiday traffic LHR/LGW-HNL may work if they partnered with BA or TUI, not saying its likely but its not ridiculous either.

If you can non stop Europe fron HNL a codeshare with QF could get you some Australia to EU traffic too


Why would QF want to code share an HA A380 to Europe that would compete against its joint venture flights to Europe via DXB?
 
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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:44 am

Does HNL even have A380 capable gates? Runways? HA won't even take an A359! An A380 is laughable but would look in their livery.
 
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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:44 am

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I can't believe this is on bloomberg of all websites. It's equally amazing at how bad the finance industry's 'analysts' cover the aviation industry.


So what are you saying - that a CEO can't ask about an aircraft "for informational purposes" (and price would be part of that) and that an analyst or journalist can't report that?

Better dump on the Wall Street Journal as well, while you're at it.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/hawaiian-ai ... 1474477013

"The airline also has made some initial inquiries about the Airbus A380 superjumbo, which can seat more than 500 passengers. Those discussions were mainly for informational purposes, Mr. Dunkerley said during a presentation at the Aviation Club U.K., rather than about an actual purchase of new or used planes."

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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:46 am

The big news story in the article is the CEO's apparent commitment to non-stop European flights, specifically London (probably LGW).

In this regard, I found the following article worthy of reference...

http://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/49502-switzerlands-edelweiss-air-eyes-non-stop-hawaii-flights

Switzerland's Edelweiss Air eyes non-stop Hawai'i flights
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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:49 am

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I would throw HNL-LAS into that as well once LAS completes the upgrades to easily accomdate the 380.


But HNL can't easily accommodate the airplane...lol Unless Federal money pays for it, there's no way Hawaii State taxpayers will foot the bill for upgrades.
 
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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:07 am

jetwet1 wrote:
77H wrote:
One has to ask, on what routes would a HA 380 even fly? The only route I can think of that comes close to justifying the lift of a 380 would be HNLLAX. However, that route is flown with an average of 2-3 330s daily. If the 380 was purchased, HA would almost certainly have to go from 2-3x 330 flights to 1x 380. 1 daily flight would struggle to compete with the 3-4 flights AA,DL,UA each operate.


I would throw HNL-LAS into that as well once LAS completes the upgrades to easily accomdate the 380.

With the 2x330 there could be room to move up with a single flight, though the HA locals do love the 1.55am departure out of LAS and the LAS locals prefer the 9.15am and hey maybe we move our charter from Omni over to HA and throw another 276 seats on to the HA flight...

Jetwet, you make a good point. An HA/Vacations Hawaii collaboration to LAS could make a viable case. That said, it is very rare for an airline to order a small sub-fleet of just 1-2 frames (all that this route would need).
 
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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:11 am

T prop wrote:
jetwet1 wrote:
I would throw HNL-LAS into that as well once LAS completes the upgrades to easily accomdate the 380.


But HNL can't easily accommodate the airplane...lol Unless Federal money pays for it, there's no way Hawaii State taxpayers will foot the bill for upgrades.


Someone forgot to tell NH who are purported to be starting NRT-HNL flights sometime soon.
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Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:13 am

T prop wrote:
jetwet1 wrote:
I would throw HNL-LAS into that as well once LAS completes the upgrades to easily accomdate the 380.


But HNL can't easily accommodate the airplane...lol Unless Federal money pays for it, there's no way Hawaii State taxpayers will foot the bill for upgrades.


HNL cannot easily accommodate the 380 but it can. The airport has handled several QF diversions.
Additionally, if the NH order comes to fruition HNL will be need to get 380 ready as they intend to send them to HNL.
 
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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:15 am

Wrong!

The A321neo(on order), A332(have), A338(on order), B763(retiring), or the B788 are the sizes best suited for Hawaiian. Stick with what works.
 
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Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:15 am

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HA won't even take an A359!


They ordered the A358. Since this is not being built, they converted their order to the next best thing, the A330-800neo.
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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:44 am

I've seen crazier theories with the A380. I wouldn't bet on it happenening, but it's worth thinking about. Put yourself in HA's shoes. As long as they're marooned on the islands, their markets are limited, and competition is fierce. In order to grow in many markets, you must take it from the others. The A380's low costs would strip away traffic from the legacies and LCCs. They can't compete in that scenario. LAX, SFO, and maybe others aren't out of line domestically, and Asian/Australian opportunities, particularly TYO and SYD, could open up. Hawaii's demand is the high volume, low yield that large planes were meant for.

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Frequency is a key factor to US travelers.


Not most Hawaii traffic however.
 
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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:46 am

flyingclrs727 wrote:
BoeingVista wrote:
A highish density A380 taking holiday traffic LHR/LGW-HNL may work if they partnered with BA or TUI, not saying its likely but its not ridiculous either.

If you can non stop Europe fron HNL a codeshare with QF could get you some Australia to EU traffic too


Why would QF want to code share an HA A380 to Europe that would compete against its joint venture flights to Europe via DXB?


As long as QF get to clip the ticket what the hell do they care what direction the PAX takes or on whos' metal. You think they would rather HA codeshare with Virgin, NZ or SQ?
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Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:56 am

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As long as QF get to clip the ticket what the hell do they care what direction the PAX takes or on whos' metal. You think they would rather HA codeshare with Virgin, NZ or SQ?


I think they already do with Virgin, well VS at least.
 
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Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:18 am

jetwet1 wrote:
BoeingVista wrote:

As long as QF get to clip the ticket what the hell do they care what direction the PAX takes or on whos' metal. You think they would rather HA codeshare with Virgin, NZ or SQ?


I think they already do with Virgin, well VS at least.


Yup you are correct, scrub the QF codeshare and substitute VS, makes more sense for Virgin due to their customer mix.

Hang on don't virgin have a few A380 options still on the books, maybe thats where HA are getting these A380's from *joke*
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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:24 am

MSPNWA wrote:
I've seen crazier theories with the A380. I wouldn't bet on it happenening, but it's worth thinking about. Put yourself in HA's shoes. As long as they're marooned on the islands, their markets are limited, and competition is fierce. In order to grow in many markets, you must take it from the others. The A380's low costs would strip away traffic from the legacies and LCCs. They can't compete in that scenario. LAX, SFO, and maybe others aren't out of line domestically, and Asian/Australian opportunities, particularly TYO and SYD, could open up. Hawaii's demand is the high volume, low yield that large planes were meant for.

77H wrote:
Frequency is a key factor to US travelers.


Not most Hawaii traffic however.


Tourists want the cheapest flight to go somewhere and spend all their money. The A380 packed full of tourists could get not a Federal subsidy but a state subsidy. If HAL get a good, short term trial lease to test the concept it could possibly go ahead.
 
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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:48 am

HNL has two 12000 foot runways. The A380 can certainly land and takeoff at HNL. Gates . . ?
 
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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:50 am

Would be a nice addition to their fleet, but unfortunately it won't happen.

jagraham wrote:
HNL has two 12000 foot runways. The A380 can certainly land and takeoff at HNL. Gates . . ?


Yes, well ANA is planning to fly there exclusively with their upcoming A380's, hopefully for them they can land there :lol:
Many happy landings, greetings from The Netherlands!
 
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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Thu Sep 22, 2016 6:51 am

Not most Hawaii traffic however.[/quote]

While frequency is not as important on a leisure market as a business market, leisure travelers do care about schedule and frequency. Hotel check in times, an extra few hours at the beach before returning home easily factor in to a leisure travelers decision. If frequency was not a factor, airlines like AA, DL and UA would replace the 3-4 flights a day between the West Coast and HNL with 1-2 wide body's. DL and UA both have enough domestic WB's to accomplish this.
 
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Re: Hawaiian looking at A380

Thu Sep 22, 2016 10:25 am

And I am "looking" at dating Angelina Jolie.

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