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Thai A350 overrun the runway at HKT

Wed Sep 21, 2016 11:34 pm

Thai Airways overrun the runway at Phuket airport. Flight TG221 operated by Airbus A350
 
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Re: Thai A350 overrun the runway at HKT

Wed Sep 21, 2016 11:42 pm

According to the Andaman news, nothing happened to 136 passengers and 14 crew, but they did damage landing gear.
 
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Re: Thai A350 overrun the runway at HKT

Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:02 am

The cabin was also very slightly damaged - some ceiling panels popped off and some oxygen masks deployed. There are pictures in another thread.
 
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Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:25 am

 
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Re: Thai A350 overrun the runway at HKT

Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:26 am

Looks like someone in the training department at TG needs a talking to......
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Re: Thai A350 overrun the runway at HKT

Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:34 am

The pictures would seem to indicate that the wheels locked up...

Or maybe they run over something that damaged them when the aircraft departed the runway.

I'm also guessing that since this is the early days of the a350 at TG, there were at least a couple of training/management pilots in there...
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Re: Thai A350 overrun the runway at HKT

Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:36 am

Not ideal. A little embarrassing for both TG and Airbus.
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Re: Thai A350 overrun the runway at HKT

Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:14 am

Francoflier wrote:
The pictures would seem to indicate that the wheels locked up...


I'm not convinced the wheels locked up -- it looks to me like there's a chunk of tread that's gone AWOL rather than being ground off by a locked wheel.
 
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Re: Thai A350 overrun the runway at HKT

Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:01 am

Bangkok Post reports that it breifly departed the runway rather than overran it.

The report said that while landing in bad weather at Phuket on a flight from Bangkok, a last-second wind shear forced the Airbus A350-WX aircraft off the runway briefly.

While still hurtling along at landing speed, the pilot reportedly pulled the aircraft out of the grassy verge and back onto the runway.


http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/transpo ... -at-phuket
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Re: Thai A350 overrun the runway at HKT

Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:02 am

Not good! Embarrassing and expensive! On top of that, this is a new plane! :(
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Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:51 am

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Re: Thai A350 overrun the runway at HKT

Thu Sep 22, 2016 9:35 am

I flew on this bird on TG221 into HKT 2 weeks ago. Does the tail camera record footage or just stream live? Would be interesting to see. I wonder if any pax recorded the landing on their phone; I did ;)

So glad this didn't end up like the 12Go Mad Dog at HKT about a decade ago...

I wonder if this will set back TG'S A350 service to MEL start date even further?
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Re: Thai A350 overrun the runway at HKT

Thu Sep 22, 2016 9:55 am

I suspect it hit a runway light stem, or even a concrete manhole cover while on the grass. It's fortunate he did not rip the bloody (doors) wheels off.

That could have been the shortest in service aircraft ever, except the A346, due to be delivered to Etihad Airways crashed during ground engine test at Airbus' facilities in Toulouse.

Are we starting to see the simulator age pilots shortcomings? In a sim you don't crash. Real world you do.

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Re: Thai A350 overrun the runway at HKT

Thu Sep 22, 2016 10:01 am

777Jet wrote:
I flew on this bird on TG221 into HKT 2 weeks ago. Does the tail camera record footage or just stream live? Would be interesting to see. I wonder if any pax recorded the landing on their phone; I did ;)



An A350 getting a tank slapper on, yup that would be something to see.
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Re: Thai A350 overrun the runway at HKT

Thu Sep 22, 2016 10:16 am

I would suggest rubber reverted hydroplanning.

Happens when the tire hydroplanes and water trapped between the runway and the tire boils because of the immense pressure.


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Re: Thai A350 overrun the runway at HKT

Thu Sep 22, 2016 10:27 am

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Not ideal. A little embarrassing for both TG and Airbus.

Why would it be embarrassing for Airbus? That is like saying, if you crash your Focus it is embarrassing for Ford.
 
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Re: Thai A350 overrun the runway at HKT

Thu Sep 22, 2016 10:28 am

Not convinced about the word "overrun" i.e. going beyond the length of the landing distance available. The A350 pulls up very quickly.
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Re: Thai A350 overrun the runway at HKT

Thu Sep 22, 2016 10:34 am

zeke wrote:
Not convinced about the word "overrun" i.e. going beyond the length of the landing distance available. The A350 pulls up very quickly.


Doesn't matter how fast a plane can pull up, an overrun is still possible. Me personally it looks like a hard landing combined with going off the side of the runway. Or a hard landing combined with aan overrun. I'm interested in seeing the initial report.
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Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:17 am

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Re: Thai A350 overrun the runway at HKT

Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:19 am

When I flew out of HKT yesterday morning there were some nasty looking storms around but not sure if the intensity was the same in the evening. Our TG 747 took off to the West like a rocket and turned straight away to avoid the nasty stuff.

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Motorhussy wrote:
Not ideal. A little embarrassing for both TG and Airbus.

Why would it be embarrassing for Airbus? That is like saying, if you crash your Focus it is embarrassing for Ford.


Tesla cops it each time a Tesla crashes ;)

Depends where the blame lies. If any of the cause stems from the plane itself then it could be embarassing for Airbus, just like how the DreamLiner with the battery fire impacted on the image of Boeing & the 787.
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Re: Thai A350 overrun the runway at HKT

Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:21 am

According to eye witness which was on board it was a unusual hard landing after it veered of the runway.
 
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Re: Thai A350 overrun the runway at HKT

Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:35 am

ikolkyo wrote:
zeke wrote:
Not convinced about the word "overrun" i.e. going beyond the length of the landing distance available. The A350 pulls up very quickly.


Doesn't matter how fast a plane can pull up, an overrun is still possible. Me personally it looks like a hard landing combined with going off the side of the runway. Or a hard landing combined with aan overrun. I'm interested in seeing the initial report.


This is NOT an overrun, look at the pictures she is clearly on a stand at HKT one end has you on a beach the other end cross country through approach lights.
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Re: Thai A350 overrun the runway at HKT

Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:03 pm

It was a runway excursion after experiencing severer wind shear on short final (just before touch down)

I know one of the crew on board and they didn't feel anything abnormal until the masks dropped down.
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Re: Thai A350 overrun the runway at HKT

Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:23 pm

BoeingVista wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
zeke wrote:
Not convinced about the word "overrun" i.e. going beyond the length of the landing distance available. The A350 pulls up very quickly.


Doesn't matter how fast a plane can pull up, an overrun is still possible. Me personally it looks like a hard landing combined with going off the side of the runway. Or a hard landing combined with aan overrun. I'm interested in seeing the initial report.


This is NOT an overrun, look at the pictures she is clearly on a stand at HKT one end has you on a beach the other end cross country through approach lights.


Not trying to say it's 100% an overrun. Pictures can only say so much, I was primarily going at the comment of The A350 can pull up quickly and an overrun shouldn't happen.
 
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Re: Thai A350 overrun the runway at HKT

Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:20 pm

Looks like it briefly veered off the runway to the side rather than an overrun, regardless it seems weather conditions did play a factor in this. Still an embarrassing little incident for TG.
 
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Re: Thai A350 overrun the runway at HKT

Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:23 pm

AvHerald also reports a runway excursion and not an overrun. Totally different story. Apparently the a/c was cleared to land, because the weather was okayish at the time, but heavy gusts made it difficult. A big one blew the A350 over the edge of the runway where it touched down with one of the bogies.

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Re: Thai A350 overrun the runway at HKT

Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:01 pm

Pretty sure the pilots said afterwards....'Ahhhhhh Phuket'
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Re: Thai A350 overrun the runway at HKT

Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:10 pm

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Pretty sure the pilots said afterwards....'Ahhhhhh Phuket'
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Re: Thai A350 overrun the runway at HKT

Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:42 pm

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Pretty sure the pilots said afterwards....'Ahhhhhh Phuket'
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Good one!! :lol:

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Thu Sep 22, 2016 9:05 pm

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Thu Sep 22, 2016 9:28 pm

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Not good! Embarrassing and expensive! On top of that, this is a new plane! :(


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Re: Thai A350 overrun the runway at HKT

Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:18 pm

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Motorhussy wrote:
Not ideal. A little embarrassing for both TG and Airbus.

Why would it be embarrassing for Airbus? That is like saying, if you crash your Focus it is embarrassing for Ford.


So you don't think there's any loss of face to Airbus for when a brand new airliner, one of the first of a new range, has an incident on landing in one of its first missions, in fairly conventional circumstances.

You go comparing to a Ford Focus if you like.
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Re: Thai A350 overrun the runway at HKT

Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:50 pm

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So you don't think there's any loss of face to Airbus for when a brand new airliner, one of the first of a new range, has an incident on landing in one of its first missions, in fairly conventional circumstances.


Nope.

The rejected takeoff on the QR 350 due to some software glitch on a media flight...maybe. This? Not at all.
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Re: Thai A350 overrun the runway at HKT

Fri Sep 23, 2016 12:11 am

aviationjunky wrote:
rufusmi wrote:
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The flight attendant in pink, her face is killing me! She looks so bored and inconvenienced.


More like disappointed & embarrassed.
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Re: Thai A350 overrun the runway at HKT

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hOMSaR wrote:
Motorhussy wrote:

So you don't think there's any loss of face to Airbus for when a brand new airliner, one of the first of a new range, has an incident on landing in one of its first missions, in fairly conventional circumstances.


Nope.

The rejected takeoff on the QR 350 due to some software glitch on a media flight...maybe. This? Not at all.


Motorhussy, you are wasting your time trying to reason with the Airbus fanboys. The brand new plane that landed in fairly conventional circumstances, especially for Phuket, but couldn't keep its wheels on the runway is perfect and can't be faulted. It must be the super experienced pilots fault 100%. Case closed. LOL. ;)

Airbus plays no role in the training of them, nor a role in the design of the software, systems & computers that are supposed to be so advanced...
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Re: Thai A350 overrun the runway at HKT

Fri Sep 23, 2016 2:07 am

777Jet wrote:
hOMSaR wrote:
Motorhussy wrote:

So you don't think there's any loss of face to Airbus for when a brand new airliner, one of the first of a new range, has an incident on landing in one of its first missions, in fairly conventional circumstances.


Nope.

The rejected takeoff on the QR 350 due to some software glitch on a media flight...maybe. This? Not at all.


Motorhussy, you are wasting your time trying to reason with the Airbus fanboys. The brand new plane that landed in fairly conventional circumstances, especially for Phuket, but couldn't keep its wheels on the runway is perfect and can't be faulted. It must be the super experienced pilots fault 100%. Case closed. LOL. ;)

Airbus plays no role in the training of them, nor a role in the design of the software, systems & computers that are supposed to be so advanced...


What is wrong with you, a plane came off a runway during landing in harsh weather and this is the manufacturers fault, how? Were airbus landing the plane from a console in Toulouse?
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BoeingVista wrote:
777Jet wrote:
hOMSaR wrote:

Nope.

The rejected takeoff on the QR 350 due to some software glitch on a media flight...maybe. This? Not at all.


Motorhussy, you are wasting your time trying to reason with the Airbus fanboys. The brand new plane that landed in fairly conventional circumstances, especially for Phuket, but couldn't keep its wheels on the runway is perfect and can't be faulted. It must be the super experienced pilots fault 100%. Case closed. LOL. ;)

Airbus plays no role in the training of them, nor a role in the design of the software, systems & computers that are supposed to be so advanced...


What is wrong with you, a plane came off a runway during landing in harsh weather and this is the manufacturers fault, how? Were airbus landing the plane from a console in Toulouse?


Only a fool would so quickly rule out part of the cause lying with the plane and therefore its manufacturer, especially given how new the type itself is. As with most incidents, there are usually multiple contributing factors - which any a.netter with half a brain should know. If you have 100% completely ruled out the aircraft and cleared the manufacturer from possibly bearing just any responsibility then congratulations; we await your final report on this incident. So, what is wrong with you?
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I suspect it hit a runway light stem, or even a concrete manhole cover while on the grass. It's fortunate he did not rip the bloody (doors) wheels off.

That could have been the shortest in service aircraft ever, except the A346, due to be delivered to Etihad Airways crashed during ground engine test at Airbus' facilities in Toulouse.

Are we starting to see the simulator age pilots shortcomings? In a sim you don't crash. Real world you do.

Air France, Asiana, Emirates, Turkish (various).


More like shortcomings of the training style. In the east (Europe and Asia) pilots with 250 hours (essentially no experience) are thrown into airliners. That is unheard of today in the US/Canada/S.America. Even where regulation allows it in the west, hiring minimums are way above ATP levels.
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Quite the expensive party foul. A week in the hangar and it'll be flying good as new.
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Hey I'm not blaming Airbus at all here, I'm talking about perception. This is often misperceptions but nevertheless valid as perception is reality.
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Re: Thai A350 overrun the runway at HKT

Fri Sep 23, 2016 4:06 am

Never been called an Airbus fanboy before. Not sure what to think of that.

Sadly, some people are only capable of thinking in extremes. Either Airbus loses face, or it's 100% the fault of the pilots. Nothing in between. No other options.

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777Jet wrote:
Only a fool would so quickly rule out part of the cause lying with the plane and therefore its manufacturer, especially given how new the type itself is. As with most incidents, there are usually multiple contributing factors - which any a.netter with half a brain should know. If you have 100% completely ruled out the aircraft and cleared the manufacturer from possibly bearing just any responsibility then congratulations; we await your final report on this incident. So, what is wrong with you?


I rule nothing out but conversly there is no evidence that the plane was at fault.

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Fri Sep 23, 2016 4:46 am

I can tell you the cockpit crew were very experienced. All A350 crew at tg are senior. It was wind shear on very short finals.
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Fri Sep 23, 2016 4:48 am

Varsity1 wrote:
uta999 wrote:
I suspect it hit a runway light stem, or even a concrete manhole cover while on the grass. It's fortunate he did not rip the bloody (doors) wheels off.

That could have been the shortest in service aircraft ever, except the A346, due to be delivered to Etihad Airways crashed during ground engine test at Airbus' facilities in Toulouse.

Are we starting to see the simulator age pilots shortcomings? In a sim you don't crash. Real world you do.

Air France, Asiana, Emirates, Turkish (various).


More like shortcomings of the training style. In the east (Europe and Asia) pilots with 250 hours (essentially no experience) are thrown into airliners. That is unheard of today in the US/Canada/S.America. Even where regulation allows it in the west, hiring minimums are way above ATP levels.


Yes because pilots who fly in the US/Canada/S.America never overrun runways, takeoff on the wrong runway or better yet put the aircraft down well short of the runway. :roll:
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Re: Thai A350 overrun the runway at HKT

Fri Sep 23, 2016 7:32 am

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I wonder if this will set back TG'S A350 service to MEL start date even further?


Yes

As expected TG has put back A350 service to MEL, now expected to start on 30 OCT 16, TG465/466 will now see 744 between 1 OCT - 25 OCT, 77W between 26 OCT - 29 OCT

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Hey I'm not blaming Airbus at all here, I'm talking about perception. This is often misperceptions but nevertheless valid as perception is reality.


Yes, it's true. Perception is reality. This incident involved the newest commercial aircraft type - a brand new Airbus A350-900XWB being operated by Thai. That is reality. The new A350 was involved. The Airbus brand, and their newest product, is involved, as is the Thai brand.

When I think perception I also go back to 2014 and MH losing two 777s months apart.

I'm not blaming Airbus, I'm just not jumping to conclusions and dismissing the role the manufacturer might have played, whether a system in the plane or new type pilot training or whatever. We know that weather was a factor, and probably the lack of experience on type by the PF was probably a factor, but to rule out Airbus at this stage is foolish.
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Fri Sep 23, 2016 8:05 am

Thai77w wrote:
I can tell you the cockpit crew were very experienced. All A350 crew at tg are senior. It was wind shear on very short finals.


Not experienced on type though.

If they were landing the A330 they had 5,000 hours on that night do you think the likelihood of going off the runway would have been as high???
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Re: Thai A350 overrun the runway at HKT

Fri Sep 23, 2016 8:09 am

Read above, they had a lateral excursion not off the end.

FYI the ILS on that runway is not aligned with the runway due to terrain.
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