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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Tue Oct 11, 2016 5:28 am

Will PDX construction be less "chaotic" than SEA?
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:10 pm

Icelandair service has been going extremely well with load factors near 94%
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:17 pm

A very rare bird for here preparing to depart after earlier dropping off the Timbers soccer team.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:01 pm

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A very rare bird for here preparing to depart after earlier dropping off the Timbers soccer team.


Wondering if the SF Giants decals are coming off soon?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:56 pm

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Icelandair service has been going extremely well with load factors near 94%


They went from twice per week last summer to 4x this summer, it'll be 5x from June-August next year. How long to reach daily? :D

It'll be interesting to see if DL to LHR has any effect on loads.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Tue Oct 11, 2016 5:16 pm

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If I'm not mistaken, Q400s can use some jetways. Porter uses them in Toronto but I'm pretty sure they were specifically made for the Q400.
QX ops at FAI use a bridge: http://www.newsminer.com/news/local_news/alaska-airlines-plans-jet-bridge-for-turboprop-plane-access-in/article_ab26db48-36b7-11e3-ab0a-0019bb30f31a.html


It might be even easier than that. All they really need to do is make sure the jetways can "kneel" low enough. I flew on an RP Q400 for United out of RAP and they used the existing jetways there. They can handle everything from a CRJ to an A320.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Tue Oct 11, 2016 5:17 pm

SWPDXSpotter wrote:
PDX757 wrote:
If I'm not mistaken, Q400s can use some jetways. Porter uses them in Toronto but I'm pretty sure they were specifically made for the Q400.
QX ops at FAI use a bridge: http://www.newsminer.com/news/local_news/alaska-airlines-plans-jet-bridge-for-turboprop-plane-access-in/article_ab26db48-36b7-11e3-ab0a-0019bb30f31a.html


It might be even easier than that. All they really need to do is make sure the jetways can "kneel" low enough. I flew on an RP Q400 for United out of RAP and they used the existing jetways there. They can handle everything from a CRJ to an A320.

QX uses Jetways at FAI and ANC.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Wed Oct 12, 2016 4:06 pm

Is London one of the top destinations for any type of traffic from PDX, and Oregon? Surely the flight doesn't connect to anything on the Virgin end with the late afternoon arrival time. I'm still perplexed why DL decided to put this airplane on this route.

What will become of PDX-Japan service with limited connecting opportunities? What are the biggest PDX/Oregon-Asia markets by PDEW? I would imagine United connects many customers to Asia through SFO.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Wed Oct 12, 2016 5:43 pm

flyboy80 wrote:
Is London one of the top destinations for any type of traffic from PDX, and Oregon? Surely the flight doesn't connect to anything on the Virgin end with the late afternoon arrival time. I'm still perplexed why DL decided to put this airplane on this route.

What will become of PDX-Japan service with limited connecting opportunities? What are the biggest PDX/Oregon-Asia markets by PDEW? I would imagine United connects many customers to Asia through SFO.


London is probably the top intercontinental destination from Portland. And some UA SFO-Asia (as well as some SEA-Asia) flights probably are loaded up with passengers connecting from Portland considering the lack of nonstops. But what does Virgin have to do with PDX? Late afternoon arrival? I'm missing something.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:01 pm

jbpdx wrote:
flyboy80 wrote:
Is London one of the top destinations for any type of traffic from PDX, and Oregon? Surely the flight doesn't connect to anything on the Virgin end with the late afternoon arrival time. I'm still perplexed why DL decided to put this airplane on this route.

What will become of PDX-Japan service with limited connecting opportunities? What are the biggest PDX/Oregon-Asia markets by PDEW? I would imagine United connects many customers to Asia through SFO.


London is probably the top intercontinental destination from Portland. And some UA SFO-Asia (as well as some SEA-Asia) flights probably are loaded up with passengers connecting from Portland considering the lack of nonstops. But what does Virgin have to do with PDX? Late afternoon arrival? I'm missing something.


I'm implying that connections in LHR would be a possibility, but then again I suppose the relationship between DL/VS at LHR isn't nearly the same as KLM or AF at AMS or CDG.

I'm curious if the route primarily caters to leisure or business travel?
 
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Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:06 pm

What does the future hold for VX here at PDX ?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Sat Oct 15, 2016 6:29 pm

flyboy80 wrote:
I'm implying that connections in LHR would be a possibility, but then again I suppose the relationship between DL/VS at LHR isn't nearly the same as KLM or AF at AMS or CDG.

I'm curious if the route primarily caters to leisure or business travel?


I can't say for sure, I'd think it is a bit of both, as with a lot of routes. With the exchange rate for the GBP dropping, vacations to the UK should look pretty good next summer. Its predicted that the exchange rate will drop to be close to 1:1
Time to get the girlfriend her passport and take her to visit my UK family!
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:16 pm

Anyone interested in spotting today: runway 21is active due to the beastly crosswinds, makes for interesting spotting off marine drive!
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Sun Oct 16, 2016 3:39 am

jbpdx wrote:
flyboy80 wrote:
Is London one of the top destinations for any type of traffic from PDX, and Oregon? Surely the flight doesn't connect to anything on the Virgin end with the late afternoon arrival time. I'm still perplexed why DL decided to put this airplane on this route.

What will become of PDX-Japan service with limited connecting opportunities? What are the biggest PDX/Oregon-Asia markets by PDEW? I would imagine United connects many customers to Asia through SFO.


London is probably the top intercontinental destination from Portland. And some UA SFO-Asia (as well as some SEA-Asia) flights probably are loaded up with passengers connecting from Portland considering the lack of nonstops. But what does Virgin have to do with PDX? Late afternoon arrival? I'm missing something.


Virgin, being a connection opportunity at LHR for the DL PDX flight. It will probably be minimal. This new DL flight is all about O&D between the two cities. Most European connecting flights will be routed via their PDX-AMS flight to connect with KLM. The new LHR flight might also be a defensive move to attempt to deter BA from beginning service, and the myriad connections BA would offer at LHR. If BA began service from PDX, it would most likely take a big chunk of Europe bound passengers away from DL's PDX-AMS flight.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Sun Oct 16, 2016 3:57 am

pdxav8r wrote:
jbpdx wrote:
flyboy80 wrote:
Is London one of the top destinations for any type of traffic from PDX, and Oregon? Surely the flight doesn't connect to anything on the Virgin end with the late afternoon arrival time. I'm still perplexed why DL decided to put this airplane on this route.

What will become of PDX-Japan service with limited connecting opportunities? What are the biggest PDX/Oregon-Asia markets by PDEW? I would imagine United connects many customers to Asia through SFO.


London is probably the top intercontinental destination from Portland. And some UA SFO-Asia (as well as some SEA-Asia) flights probably are loaded up with passengers connecting from Portland considering the lack of nonstops. But what does Virgin have to do with PDX? Late afternoon arrival? I'm missing something.


Virgin, being a connection opportunity at LHR for the DL PDX flight. It will probably be minimal. This new DL flight is all about O&D between the two cities. Most European connecting flights will be routed via their PDX-AMS flight to connect with KLM. The new LHR flight might also be a defensive move to attempt to deter BA from beginning service, and the myriad connections BA would offer at LHR. If BA began service from PDX, it would most likely take a big chunk of Europe bound passengers away from DL's PDX-AMS flight.


Makes sense.

I hope someone has insight to PDX Asia traffic. I wonder how many pax connect in NRT on DL. Not that there is much left to connect to, or can't be connected to through a SEA flight.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:46 am

What happened to DL's PDX-LAS flights that were announced a while back? I'm sure I read about them on this forum. Don't see them in availability on delta.com.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:04 am

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What does the future hold for VX here at PDX ?


In the very near term, nothing at all. Then the 1 or 2 A-320 operations with Chester on the tail, to PDX. After that it isn't Virgin America any longer. I expect even the A-320 to be replaced by a 737 to PDX. I can't see the A-320 operating to SEA either, once the merge is done. Just my opinion.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:19 am

If CR7-9s can use jetways, so can Q400s. Any jetway can be used if equipped with the proper accessory transition ramp.
 
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Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:51 pm

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What happened to DL's PDX-LAS flights that were announced a while back? I'm sure I read about them on this forum. Don't see them in availability on delta.com.


If memory serves me, it was only scheduled for about a week's service, and it was for some convention capacity in LAS. Not sure when that week is.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Sun Oct 16, 2016 9:25 pm

pdxav8r wrote:
pdx wrote:
What happened to DL's PDX-LAS flights that were announced a while back? I'm sure I read about them on this forum. Don't see them in availability on delta.com.


If memory serves me, it was only scheduled for about a week's service, and it was for some convention capacity in LAS. Not sure when that week is.


Thank you! I was thinking it was going to be a new flight for us. Guess not. I see NRT is still bookable for next summer. Wonder if we'll keep it? And LHR is 4 days a week now. Last time I checked it was 3.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Sun Oct 16, 2016 9:48 pm

pdx wrote:
pdxav8r wrote:
pdx wrote:
What happened to DL's PDX-LAS flights that were announced a while back? I'm sure I read about them on this forum. Don't see them in availability on delta.com.


If memory serves me, it was only scheduled for about a week's service, and it was for some convention capacity in LAS. Not sure when that week is.


Thank you! I was thinking it was going to be a new flight for us. Guess not. I see NRT is still bookable for next summer. Wonder if we'll keep it? And LHR is 4 days a week now. Last time I checked it was 3.



I read somewhere recently that the POP is trying to convince Delta to move the PDX-Narita flight to Haneda...I personally would love to see JAL or ANA because of all of the connection options at Haneda...We'll see...........
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Sun Oct 16, 2016 10:37 pm

Would it be beneficial in anyway for Delta to move the flight to HND? I was certain the SEA hub and its non-stop and one-stop services to Asia would be the end of PDX-NRT, but it survived. I was certain with the slot allocations PDX-NRT was toast, but its still here. I've never seen any traffic statistics on the NRT flight, but If I remember correctly when it was originally started by Northwest they had many flights to connect to. Most of the NRT spokes remained after the merger, but are decreasing. Granted the aircraft is 'only' 208 passengers, less seats than a 757-300, and there must sizable market between TYO and Oregon to justify a non-stop. Perhaps its just a matter of who will fly it.
 
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Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:08 pm

http://airwaysnews.com/blog/2016/04/26/ ... -airlines/

Airwaysnews.com interview with AS capacity planner John Kirby
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Thu Oct 20, 2016 7:34 pm

Has anyone looked at Delta's nonstop coach fares to LHR and AMS for next spring? $1,500 one way to LHR. $3,000 one way to AMS. Are you kidding?
 
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Thu Oct 20, 2016 7:39 pm

lhpdx wrote:
http://airwaysnews.com/blog/2016/04/26/high-flyer-interview-john-kirby-vice-president-of-capacity-planning-alaska-airlines/

Airwaysnews.com interview with AS capacity planner John Kirby


Sounds like they will be adding PDX-MKE.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Thu Oct 20, 2016 8:50 pm

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pdxswa wrote:
What does the future hold for VX here at PDX ?


In the very near term, nothing at all. Then the 1 or 2 A-320 operations with Chester on the tail, to PDX. After that it isn't Virgin America any longer. I expect even the A-320 to be replaced by a 737 to PDX. I can't see the A-320 operating to SEA either, once the merge is done. Just my opinion.

You don't think they'd deploy 321s on trunk routes at all? Instant capacity boost to LAXSEAANC
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Thu Oct 20, 2016 9:28 pm

jbpdx wrote:
Has anyone looked at Delta's nonstop coach fares to LHR and AMS for next spring? $1,500 one way to LHR. $3,000 one way to AMS. Are you kidding?


Why are you looking at one way fares? One way fares are always expensive on most legacy carriers unless they're having a fare sale (and most fare sales would require round trip purchase). PDX-LHR is around US$1,280 round trip next June on the DL nonstop..
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Thu Oct 20, 2016 9:54 pm

Metro Washington Airports Authority is hoping to add AS on PDX-IAD. They are discussing with AS officials.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... vi-430449/
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Fri Oct 21, 2016 12:28 am

panamair wrote:
jbpdx wrote:
Has anyone looked at Delta's nonstop coach fares to LHR and AMS for next spring? $1,500 one way to LHR. $3,000 one way to AMS. Are you kidding?


Why are you looking at one way fares? One way fares are always expensive on most legacy carriers unless they're having a fare sale (and most fare sales would require round trip purchase). PDX-LHR is around US$1,280 round trip next June on the DL nonstop..

Almost no one is doing round trip pricing anymore. The one way for the return could be less but it's still a combination of the two
 
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Fri Oct 21, 2016 12:37 am

32andBelow wrote:
panamair wrote:
jbpdx wrote:
Has anyone looked at Delta's nonstop coach fares to LHR and AMS for next spring? $1,500 one way to LHR. $3,000 one way to AMS. Are you kidding?


Why are you looking at one way fares? One way fares are always expensive on most legacy carriers unless they're having a fare sale (and most fare sales would require round trip purchase). PDX-LHR is around US$1,280 round trip next June on the DL nonstop..

Almost no one is doing round trip pricing anymore. The one way for the return could be less but it's still a combination of the two


There are very few trans-oceanic routes on which the domestic big 3 offer reasonable one way fares. I travel a lot between the US and Europe and I've never seen a half-priced one way on a US legacy.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Fri Oct 21, 2016 12:40 am

jbpdx wrote:
Has anyone looked at Delta's nonstop coach fares to LHR and AMS for next spring? $1,500 one way to LHR. $3,000 one way to AMS. Are you kidding?


Have you looked at the competing one-stop oneway fares? The only way to beat the price of the nonstop is Iceland Air or an obscure 5th freedom tag on Air New Zealand or Jet Airways.... or not book a oneway fare.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:12 am

32andBelow wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
pdxswa wrote:
What does the future hold for VX here at PDX ?


In the very near term, nothing at all. Then the 1 or 2 A-320 operations with Chester on the tail, to PDX. After that it isn't Virgin America any longer. I expect even the A-320 to be replaced by a 737 to PDX. I can't see the A-320 operating to SEA either, once the merge is done. Just my opinion.

You don't think they'd deploy 321s on trunk routes at all? Instant capacity boost to LAXSEAANC


I really don't think AS is interested in the 320 or 321. They have the MAX's coming & plenty of 900ER's on order. I'd expect Boeing to take the 320's in on trade or help find a buyer, as AS will replace with Boeing aircraft for fleet commonality, just my two cents.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:45 am

I'm curious to know everyone elses thoughts. I know about the new LHR flight on DL of course, the increase of frequency on FI and DE, but what does everyone think the next 12 months holds for international flights at PDX. Specifically new destinations.

I have plenty of thoughts and questions, but would like to know everyone elses. Primarily, why the hell is AC seasonal to YYZ from Portland but SLC is year-round. That one annoys me more than anything else relating. As for the LHR connection, my hope for BA is, sadly, dwindling. While I still maintain that it's the better option, I fear the MSY selection today could have very well been PDX instead...but DL beat them to it.

I have a sneaking suspicion that EK is not as much of a wild-card as some might think to PDX. Probably not daily, but at least 3x weekly. I know I may be resting too much on the fact that the EK/AS relationship is strong, but seriously, it makes good sense to add PDX to the list of EK destinations.

JL to Tokyo-- seems almost obvious. Just waiting for Delta to pull out. HU or KE to PEK or ICN respectively makes sense also.

I love the consistant growth the airport is seeing. It's proving to be a great alternative to SEA for many. I'm confident in FI going daily/seasonal then year-round very soon, and wouldn't surprise me to see DE do close to the same. Seattle is an uncomfortable, almost dumpy airport. I know they're doing some improvements, but it's a nightmare. It's maxed out.

I'm not looking for a wishlist, I'm looking for a logical discussion on what the next year potentially looks like internationally for Portland. We have a great thing going for being a small hub airport...but I know it can be more than it is and actually support it.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Fri Oct 21, 2016 4:10 am

flyoregon wrote:
I'm curious to know everyone elses thoughts. I know about the new LHR flight on DL of course, the increase of frequency on FI and DE, but what does everyone think the next 12 months holds for international flights at PDX. Specifically new destinations.

I have plenty of thoughts and questions, but would like to know everyone elses. Primarily, why the hell is AC seasonal to YYZ from Portland but SLC is year-round. That one annoys me more than anything else relating. As for the LHR connection, my hope for BA is, sadly, dwindling. While I still maintain that it's the better option, I fear the MSY selection today could have very well been PDX instead...but DL beat them to it.

I have a sneaking suspicion that EK is not as much of a wild-card as some might think to PDX. Probably not daily, but at least 3x weekly. I know I may be resting too much on the fact that the EK/AS relationship is strong, but seriously, it makes good sense to add PDX to the list of EK destinations.

JL to Tokyo-- seems almost obvious. Just waiting for Delta to pull out. HU or KE to PEK or ICN respectively makes sense also.

I love the consistant growth the airport is seeing. It's proving to be a great alternative to SEA for many. I'm confident in FI going daily/seasonal then year-round very soon, and wouldn't surprise me to see DE do close to the same. Seattle is an uncomfortable, almost dumpy airport. I know they're doing some improvements, but it's a nightmare. It's maxed out.

I'm not looking for a wishlist, I'm looking for a logical discussion on what the next year potentially looks like internationally for Portland. We have a great thing going for being a small hub airport...but I know it can be more than it is and actually support it.


Domestic adds:
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DEN-AS
IAD-AS
MKE-AS
HNL-DL year round
OGG-HA
DTW-AS
SAT-AS
ABQ-AS
FLL-B6

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DXB- remove the second daily SEA-DXB and start PDX-DXB.
PEK-HU 3x/week 787
FRA-DE goes year round
MUC-DE 2x/week seasonal
LHR-BA 4x/week year round
CDG-DL 4x/week seasonal
MEX-AM
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HKG-CX? Cathay cargo has indicated there is a lot of potential between HK and Oregon due to Oregon being a transloading hub.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Fri Oct 21, 2016 2:27 pm

flyoregon wrote:
I'm curious to know everyone elses thoughts. I know about the new LHR flight on DL of course, the increase of frequency on FI and DE, but what does everyone think the next 12 months holds for international flights at PDX. Specifically new destinations.

I have plenty of thoughts and questions, but would like to know everyone elses. Primarily, why the hell is AC seasonal to YYZ from Portland but SLC is year-round. That one annoys me more than anything else relating. As for the LHR connection, my hope for BA is, sadly, dwindling. While I still maintain that it's the better option, I fear the MSY selection today could have very well been PDX instead...but DL beat them to it.

I have a sneaking suspicion that EK is not as much of a wild-card as some might think to PDX. Probably not daily, but at least 3x weekly. I know I may be resting too much on the fact that the EK/AS relationship is strong, but seriously, it makes good sense to add PDX to the list of EK destinations.

JL to Tokyo-- seems almost obvious. Just waiting for Delta to pull out. HU or KE to PEK or ICN respectively makes sense also.

I love the consistant growth the airport is seeing. It's proving to be a great alternative to SEA for many. I'm confident in FI going daily/seasonal then year-round very soon, and wouldn't surprise me to see DE do close to the same. Seattle is an uncomfortable, almost dumpy airport. I know they're doing some improvements, but it's a nightmare. It's maxed out.

I'm not looking for a wishlist, I'm looking for a logical discussion on what the next year potentially looks like internationally for Portland. We have a great thing going for being a small hub airport...but I know it can be more than it is and actually support it.


Realistically, I don't see much happening internationally. DE or FI may add some frequency or go year round. AC may go year round. I don't want to poo poo PDX, but for a metro the size of Portland, it really punches above its weight with regards to international connections. I think any plans BA may have had have been shelved, and with DL starting LHR, I wouldn't imagine adding frequencies to AMS or starting CDG are on DL's radar. KL adding some lift like they did in SLC would be a welcome sight one day!

Who knows what DL will do with NRT. If they do decide to axe the service, I'd imagine another carrier would jump in to fill the vacuum quickly. Maybe KE or JL.

More international flying within North America would be welcome! IDK about o&d to places like YEG or YYC, but AS seems to make places like that work from SEA with no feed on the other end, maybe connecting traffic from other destinations make those cities work. I wouldn't think a daily Q400 would be too much to somewhere like YEG or YLW.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Fri Oct 21, 2016 7:39 pm

flyoregon wrote:
I'm curious to know everyone elses thoughts.

I have plenty of thoughts and questions, but would like to know everyone elses. Primarily, why the hell is AC seasonal to YYZ from Portland but SLC is year-round. That one annoys me more than anything else relating. As for the LHR connection, my hope for BA is, sadly, dwindling. While I still maintain that it's the better option, I fear the MSY selection today could have very well been PDX instead...but DL beat them to it.

I have a sneaking suspicion that EK is not as much of a wild-card as some might think to PDX. Probably not daily, but at least 3x weekly. I know I may be resting too much on the fact that the EK/AS relationship is strong, but seriously, it makes good sense to add PDX to the list of EK destinations.

JL to Tokyo-- seems almost obvious. Just waiting for Delta to pull out. HU or KE to PEK or ICN respectively makes sense also.

I love the consistant growth the airport is seeing. It's proving to be a great alternative to SEA for many. I'm confident in FI going daily/seasonal then year-round very soon, and wouldn't surprise me to see DE do close to the same. Seattle is an uncomfortable, almost dumpy airport. I know they're doing some improvements, but it's a nightmare. It's maxed out.


I agree with most of what you've said here. Particularly regarding EK. Sheesh, this is the airline that sends a daily A380 to Christchurch! so sending a 777 to PDX a few times a week wouldn't surprise me at all. I think AC is being cautious with PDX year round because they tried and failed a few years ago. If they're successful in the summer I think we could easily see it in the future. Or, in the future, AS may try Toronto from SEA, PDX and eventually LAX, SFO. Toronto is the 4th largest city in North America after all, and is a huge draw for all sorts of reasons.
I only take issue with 2 statements here: 1) Unlike most folks around here, I don't see DL preparing to draw down PDX. I tend to think their operations are working pretty well here for them. 2) SEA is getting really busy, and some parts of it are outdated, but other parts of that airport are really state of the art and very nice. The revamped Central Terminal for example - it's super nice - at least as nice as anything PDX has to offer.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:30 pm

I asked earlier and I don't think there was a response, but is there any general idea about the amount of traffic DL connected through NRT to Asia? My guess now is NRT PDX may benefit from MSP, LAX, and NYC connections as they've lost non-stop NRT flights.

When Skywest discontinued their at-risk UA express operations it seems United scaled back PDX some. Not sure what the year over year percentages are, but Delta has really increased PDX, which I suppose is only expected as it's between two hubs Delta has really built up in recent years, SEA and LAX. Delta is running multiple NYCs, and somtimes six flights per day between PDX and MSP I noticed, not to mention some domestic widebody service, however that may simply be a positioning related flight. Anyways, lots of capacity on DL added in PDX compared to just a few years ago.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Fri Oct 21, 2016 11:31 pm

flyboy80 wrote:
I asked earlier and I don't think there was a response, but is there any general idea about the amount of traffic DL connected through NRT to Asia? My guess now is NRT PDX may benefit from MSP, LAX, and NYC connections as they've lost non-stop NRT flights.


You can get an idea of traffic to Asia, DL connecting traffic through NRT may be a little tougher to ascertain. LAX and MSP may not have flights on DL to NRT, but DL has shifted those flights to HND. 5th freedom flying from NRT seems to be getting scaled back, so NRT seems to be of less importance to DL than it was to NW.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Fri Oct 21, 2016 11:33 pm

flyboy80 wrote:

When Skywest discontinued their at-risk UA express operations it seems United scaled back PDX some. Not sure what the year over year percentages are...


UA has scaled way back at PDX. Not only did they pull basically all the NW regional Skywest flying, but they've cut back hubs too. The Port of Portland has great data available online, so you can do all sorts of calculations if you like. I picked current dates and looked 10 years ago. In 2006 (not including CO operations), UA was carrying 13% of the passengers at PDX. The number is closer to 16% or 17% if you add in the Skywest flying, and around 20% if you add in the operations of CO at the time. In 2016 UA (now including former CO operations) UA accounts for just 9% of traffic at the airport. They're actually carrying fewer passengers today than they were 10 years ago - and this during a period when PDX saw a 25% INCREASE in the total number of passengers. I don't know anyone in the Portland area who regularly uses UA anymore.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Fri Oct 21, 2016 11:53 pm

ANA787 wrote:
DXB- remove the second daily SEA-DXB and start PDX-DXB.


Unlikely now that they're upgrading the second daily from a 77L to a 77W.
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... -dec-2016/

SEA is feeling a pinch right now, but in 3 years it will have a state-of-the-art international arrivals facility.
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Sat Oct 22, 2016 12:03 am

If Emirates started Portland what would their market base be? I can't imagine theres that many itineraries from PDX that make a connection in DXB feasible. Especially when AS provides connections to EK flights. I imagine Portland isn't small scale for corporate traffic, but definitely not a city that warrants the types of flights a city like Seattle does. I wonder how many EK pax per day are Portland connections.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Sat Oct 22, 2016 12:03 am

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I'm curious to know everyone elses thoughts. I know about the new LHR flight on DL of course, the increase of frequency on FI and DE, but what does everyone think the next 12 months holds for international flights at PDX. Specifically new destinations.


On therouteshop.com Portland is still on CDG and ORY's wishlist for a nonstop flight. (They must know something.) But who would operate it? Probably not AF. Maybe Norwegian.

As for New Orleans' BA nonstop to LHR, apparently there is a sizable subsidy/guarantee involved. Delta's PDX-LHR 4x/week summer-seasonal seems way too infrequent. Although with Delta's expensive fares, Icelandair's KEF connection to LHR seems preferable. I could see FI go 7 days/year round.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Sat Oct 22, 2016 7:18 am

jbpdx wrote:
flyoregon wrote:
I'm curious to know everyone elses thoughts. I know about the new LHR flight on DL of course, the increase of frequency on FI and DE, but what does everyone think the next 12 months holds for international flights at PDX. Specifically new destinations.


On therouteshop.com Portland is still on CDG and ORY's wishlist for a nonstop flight. (They must know something.) But who would operate it? Probably not AF. Maybe Norwegian.

As for New Orleans' BA nonstop to LHR, apparently there is a sizable subsidy/guarantee involved. Delta's PDX-LHR 4x/week summer-seasonal seems way too infrequent. Although with Delta's expensive fares, Icelandair's KEF connection to LHR seems preferable. I could see FI go 7 days/year round.



I know when Bill Wyatt with the Port of Portland went to talk with Virgin in England. His presentation went very well and Virgin was interested in starting PDX-LHR, but they had no aircraft availability for a couple years. With Delta's stake in Virgin they also saw the presentation and numbers and came to the Port indicating they want to start PDX-LHR. However they too said they have to see if it can work with aircraft availability. Delta made it work seasonal, not sure where they got the aircraft from. Since they made it work, I assume they will push it year round once they can secure an aircraft for year round service. Wyatt also just indicated at a commission meeting that he attended a conference in China with airlines from all over the world. He indicated that one of the airlines from China was interested in PDX and perhaps we could see something from them in a couple years. If that pans out, I could see some load factor affecting Delta's PDX-NRT. But that flight does maintain a very good load factor year round. Difficult to predict.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:53 pm

PDXPOL wrote:
I know when Bill Wyatt with the Port of Portland went to talk with Virgin in England. His presentation went very well and Virgin was interested in starting PDX-LHR, but they had no aircraft availability for a couple years. With Delta's stake in Virgin they also saw the presentation and numbers and came to the Port indicating they want to start PDX-LHR. However they too said they have to see if it can work with aircraft availability. Delta made it work seasonal, not sure where they got the aircraft from. Since they made it work, I assume they will push it year round once they can secure an aircraft for year round service. Wyatt also just indicated at a commission meeting that he attended a conference in China with airlines from all over the world. He indicated that one of the airlines from China was interested in PDX and perhaps we could see something from them in a couple years. If that pans out, I could see some load factor affecting Delta's PDX-NRT. But that flight does maintain a very good load factor year round. Difficult to predict.

I would be inclined to think that there would be little impact on PDX-NRT. DL is connection poor in NRT aside from their own 5th freedom flying that seems to be getting paired back. A passenger flying to a secondary city in Asia from PDX could book a separate itinerary from NRT onwards I suppose.
I think PDX-NRT loads would be just as impacted by DL axing all 5th freedom flying from NRT.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Mon Oct 24, 2016 4:17 pm

Icelandair is doing incredibly well here at PDX. Service will end soon for the year. But before you know it they will be back again in 2017.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Mon Oct 24, 2016 4:23 pm

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Icelandair is doing incredibly well here at PDX. Service will end soon for the year. But before you know it they will be back again in 2017.


Last flight isn't until 10 January. Remember they extended the season.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Mon Oct 24, 2016 5:42 pm

Are you sure ?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Mon Oct 24, 2016 5:54 pm

"Portland’s expanded schedule for 2016 will resume May 11 with two weekly flights, and will increase up to four weekly flights in late June with departures on Sundays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Fridays through mid-September. In addition, Icelandair is extending the season from Portland through January 2017, and will resume with an early start in March 2017."

The last one I find on FlightView is 10 Jan. The first of next season is 7 April so they must have tinkered some since that announcement last March.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Mon Oct 24, 2016 9:23 pm

Speaking of Icelandair, saw an online ad today, they have a flash sale. "Europe from $499* round-trip, including taxes
Book by October 30, 2016. Travel November 1, 2016 - January 10, 2017. " Excludes London.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:11 am

Starting November 26 looks like HA PDX-HNL will now leave at 8am instead of 10:15am. What's the reason for leaving 2-hours earlier?

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