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Fri Nov 25, 2016 6:58 pm

October 2016 stats. Passenger traffic up 9.2%. International traffic up 14.7%. 1.6 million traveled through PDX in October 2016. YTD is at 15.3 million passengers.

http://cdn.portofportland.com/pdfs/Oct2016webstats.pdf

PDX will easily break 18 million passengers for 2016.
 
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Fri Nov 25, 2016 10:53 pm

Given the international numbers-- Is there enough traffic to justify another Asia flight, perhaps ICN?
 
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Fri Nov 25, 2016 11:11 pm

In another thread, they were talking about ANA and possibly another NRT route. I wonder if two PDX-NRT flights might be too much?

Maybe a seasonal ICN or PEK flight might be more logical?

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Given the international numbers-- Is there enough traffic to justify another Asia flight, perhaps ICN?
 
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Fri Nov 25, 2016 11:24 pm

I imagine a large portion of SEA international, including KE to ICN, comes from PDX. But is it enough to justify a 4x or so weekly 767.
 
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Sat Nov 26, 2016 12:15 am

ANA787 wrote:
October 2016 stats. Passenger traffic up 9.2%. International traffic up 14.7%. 1.6 million traveled through PDX in October 2016. YTD is at 15.3 million passengers.

http://cdn.portofportland.com/pdfs/Oct2016webstats.pdf

PDX will easily break 18 million passengers for 2016.



Thanks for the posting ANA787!!! At the rate PDX is growing, I hope to see more domestic and international additions in 2017..........
 
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Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:44 pm

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At the rate PDX is growing, I hope to see more domestic and international additions in 2017..........


Except that most airlines here will continue justifying not adding nonstops to PDX and making myriad excuses to keep their hubs busy. That Portland can keep posting these significant passenger numbers with the resistance from most airlines is impressive. If Alaska flew to Asia and Europe, we'd probably be way dependent on them for those routes too.
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Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:03 pm

Does anyone know when Boutique will serve Pendleton?
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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Sat Dec 03, 2016 12:47 am

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Does anyone know when Boutique will serve Pendleton?


Good question, there is nothing on their website indicating they will even be serving the route in the future. No promotion at all, must be next summer or out quite a ways. Too bad for the PDT community. By the time Boutique starts up, many of the regular K5 passengers will be using alternate options from PSC, which is less than an hour away or so.
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lhpdx wrote:
http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/335036-214968-aircraft-painting-firm-plans-to-close-plant-lay-off-employees


Sad for the employees. Sad to see all the random tails go away. Wonder where Boeing will take their business.
 
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Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:55 am

I guess our great photo poster SWA ramp person here will have less photos of the rare visitors from Boeing. A loss for Portland.
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[*]h
RWA380 wrote:
dc10lover wrote:
Does anyone know when Boutique will serve Pendleton?


Good question, there is nothing on their website indicating they will even be serving the route in the future. No promotion at all, must be next summer or out quite a ways. Too bad for the PDT community. By the time Boutique starts up, many of the regular K5 passengers will be using alternate options from PSC, which is less than an hour away or so.


At least Pendleton Airport is still used for FedEx and the like. The drive to Pasco / Tri - Cities Airport doesn't take long. Pasco Airport is probably more convenient anyway.
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:10 am

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[*]h
RWA380 wrote:
dc10lover wrote:
Does anyone know when Boutique will serve Pendleton?


Good question, there is nothing on their website indicating they will even be serving the route in the future. No promotion at all, must be next summer or out quite a ways. Too bad for the PDT community. By the time Boutique starts up, many of the regular K5 passengers will be using alternate options from PSC, which is less than an hour away or so.


At least Pendleton Airport is still used for FedEx and the like. The drive to Pasco / Tri - Cities Airport doesn't take long. Pasco Airport is probably more convenient anyway.


I lived in Hermiston for 3 months, 30-40 minutes to the parking lot at the Pasco airport. But during that time I flew to Portland on United Express J-31 & also Salt Lake City on a DL 732 with a stop in Boise. Pasco has an ever increasing number of non-stop cities served & an additional roster of carriers from the old days of CZ & RW.

If I lived anywhere out there, which God willing will never happen again, I'd fly exclusively from Pasco, or if I-84 was clear, I'd make the 4 hour drive to Portland & fly out. But the QX PSC-PDX flight makes good connections to AS Hawaiian Islands flights, I'm set.
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Wed Dec 07, 2016 4:28 pm

United is still negotiating with the Port about using one the AFR hangars or building a new one. I wonder if one of the AMC hangars will become United's new home now?
 
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Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:34 pm

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Does anyone know when Boutique will serve Pendleton?



https://twitter.com/boutiqueair/status/ ... wsrc%5Etfw


Boutique air starts service from PDX- Pendleton Dec. 19th!!
 
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Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:25 am

lhpdx wrote:
dc10lover wrote:
Does anyone know when Boutique will serve Pendleton?



https://twitter.com/boutiqueair/status/ ... wsrc%5Etfw


Boutique air starts service from PDX- Pendleton Dec. 19th!!


Happy top see this starting..

But I have to say I really don't understand the continued EAS service to PDT. Less than 70 mile to PSC with plenty or service. Moses Lake MWH is 70 miles from Wenatchee EAT and we can never get continued air service of any sort. We are similar sized communities. Is the PDT service just because it was served for so many years with jet service from UA
 
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Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:44 am

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Happy top see this starting..

But I have to say I really don't understand the continued EAS service to PDT. Less than 70 mile to PSC with plenty or service. Moses Lake MWH is 70 miles from Wenatchee EAT and we can never get continued air service of any sort. We are similar sized communities. Is the PDT service just because it was served for so many years with jet service from UA

I think some of the airports in the region would be a lot more attractive commercially if there weren't so many of them to dilute the catchment areas.
The bigger ones are of course GEG and PSC but then you also have EAT, YKM, MWH, LWS, PDT, ALW, PUW all within a fairly small radius. Passenger service would be more stable if there was a little consolidation as opposed to small carriers flying into any airport that's over an hour from the next one up the road and then cutting service when they can't get more than a couple butts in seats per flight.
 
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Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:37 am

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Current plan is to leave Penn Air at the B gates. The Port indicated that B can handle the additional ground loading with those new ramps that connect to the loading bridges.


Well, given their codeshare relationship with AS that sure makes more sense than putting them in the middle of WN operations at the end of E.

I'm just not sure how the Q's and Saab 340s all fit into the mostly closed Concourse A in the proposed scenario. Where today PDX offers 19 ground loading stations, the proposal would seem to indicate only 2. Two things I might be missing:
1. Maybe they continue to use some of the ground loading stations out towards Concourse A, but provide access mostly from B?
2. Is it possible that Q400s can use Jetways? or at least gates with Jetways? If so, we could see them anywhere on C...


If I'm not mistaken, Q400s can use some jetways. Porter uses them in Toronto but I'm pretty sure they were specifically made for the Q400.
QX ops at FAI use a bridge: http://www.newsminer.com/news/local_news/alaska-airlines-plans-jet-bridge-for-turboprop-plane-access-in/article_ab26db48-36b7-11e3-ab0a-0019bb30f31a.html


Yes, I was going to say, you board at SMF with Jetways on Q400s...
 
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Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:40 pm

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I guess our great photo poster SWA ramp person here will have less photos of the rare visitors from Boeing. A loss for Portland.


The article is completely inaccurate on the facility closing. It is in fact not closing there is simply another company coming into paint the Boeings. So whoever wrote the article needs to some fact checking !
 
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Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:41 pm

Another rare visitor from up north !
 
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Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:39 am

pdxswa wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
I guess our great photo poster SWA ramp person here will have less photos of the rare visitors from Boeing. A loss for Portland.


The article is completely inaccurate on the facility closing. It is in fact not closing there is simply another company coming into paint the Boeings. So whoever wrote the article needs to some fact checking !


Yeah, I was going to say, I know down at that facility, they have been doing building upgrades...
 
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Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:00 am

lhpdx wrote:
dc10lover wrote:
Does anyone know when Boutique will serve Pendleton?


https://twitter.com/boutiqueair/status/ ... wsrc%5Etfw

Boutique air starts service from PDX- Pendleton Dec. 19th!!


Wow, no fanfare, no real announcement & I sure hope they advertise a bit, or this service will lag & suffer. Since K5 left so fast, people need to be reminded that service is back again to PDT.
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Sun Dec 11, 2016 10:17 pm

Alaska's regular seasonal nonstops from PDX to Cabo and Puerto Vallarta resume this week.
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Mon Dec 12, 2016 8:42 pm

The latest fresh out of the hangars here heading back as Boeing 571 for Air Canada in some wonderful morning light.
 
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Tue Dec 13, 2016 1:36 am

pdxav8r wrote:
lhpdx wrote:
http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/335036-214968-aircraft-painting-firm-plans-to-close-plant-lay-off-employees


Sad for the employees. Sad to see all the random tails go away. Wonder where Boeing will take their business.



Boeing are staying in Portland to paint the aircraft, it's just a different contractor doing the work.
 
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Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:11 am

pugman211 wrote:
pdxav8r wrote:
lhpdx wrote:
http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/335036-214968-aircraft-painting-firm-plans-to-close-plant-lay-off-employees


Sad for the employees. Sad to see all the random tails go away. Wonder where Boeing will take their business.



Boeing are staying in Portland to paint the aircraft, it's just a different contractor doing the work.


Good to hear, the jobs were a genuine concern when it was originally announced. I expect many of the same people will be applying for their own jobs.
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Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:33 am

HPRamper wrote:
mwh787 wrote:

Happy top see this starting..

But I have to say I really don't understand the continued EAS service to PDT. Less than 70 mile to PSC with plenty or service. Moses Lake MWH is 70 miles from Wenatchee EAT and we can never get continued air service of any sort. We are similar sized communities. Is the PDT service just because it was served for so many years with jet service from UA

I think some of the airports in the region would be a lot more attractive commercially if there weren't so many of them to dilute the catchment areas.
The bigger ones are of course GEG and PSC but then you also have EAT, YKM, MWH, LWS, PDT, ALW, PUW all within a fairly small radius. Passenger service would be more stable if there was a little consolidation as opposed to small carriers flying into any airport that's over an hour from the next one up the road and then cutting service when they can't get more than a couple butts in seats per flight.

Actually Pasco / Tri - Cities Airport can be a hub for Eastern Washington State. It is a short drive to the cities mentioned above, especially YKM, EAT, ALW PDT, PUW even GEG.
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:24 am

pdxswa wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
I guess our great photo poster SWA ramp person here will have less photos of the rare visitors from Boeing. A loss for Portland.


The article is completely inaccurate on the facility closing. It is in fact not closing there is simply another company coming into paint the Boeings. So whoever wrote the article needs to some fact checking !


Great news, it was a poorly written article. It makes you wonder what the editor was smoking or doing at the time it was written. Thanks pdxswa
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Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:49 am

Almost every flight in and out of PDX this evening is delayed because of winter storm. Several cancellations.
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Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:59 am

This is my first posting so guys please go easy on me....I was wondering what your thoughts were on the today's Alaska-Virgin merger news and it affects on PDX future role as a secondary hub for Alaska? Will we see more significant growth here or has AS shelved it's PDX expansion plans in favor of SAN,SFO, LAX and SJC?
 
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This is my first posting so guys please go easy on me....I was wondering what your thoughts were on the today's Alaska-Virgin merger news and it affects on PDX future role as a secondary hub for Alaska? Will we see more significant growth here or has AS shelved it's PDX expansion plans in favor of SAN,SFO, LAX and SJC?


There still are quite a few nonstop routes unserved from PDX. Airlines other than Alaska seem pretty unwilling to fly them, so we're dependent on Alaska. Some key unserved: PDX-MIA, PDX-BNA, PDX-MSY. Underserved: PDX-PHL, PDX-IAD, PDX-BWI. Southwest, American and JetBlue could do some of them but I wouldn't hold my breath. Also, I wouldn't count on Frontier bringing back PDX-CLE next year.
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Thu Dec 15, 2016 7:16 am

GabPtown wrote:
This is my first posting so guys please go easy on me....I was wondering what your thoughts were on the today's Alaska-Virgin merger news and it affects on PDX future role as a secondary hub for Alaska? Will we see more significant growth here or has AS shelved it's PDX expansion plans in favor of SAN,SFO, LAX and SJC?

Welcome to A.net, Gab'!

Interesting question as I asked a similar one over on the SAN-thread: will AAG be shelving expansion at Lindbergh Field while they concentrate on SFO and LA? It's prolly too early to know what the company strategy is going to be next year, and where; I'm wondering if there will be expansion from SEA, PDX, SAN on the VX side of things?

Bottom line however is that I don't think you have to worry about PDX and AAG -- it's their second largest hub and I can't see SFO or LAX -- or any other AS station -- changing that situation.

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Welcome to A.net, Gab'!

Interesting question as I asked a similar one over on the SAN-thread: will AAG be shelving expansion at Lindbergh Field while they concentrate on SFO and LA? It's prolly too early to know what the company strategy is going to be next year, and where; I'm wondering if there will be expansion from SEA, PDX, SAN on the VX side of things?

Bottom line however is that I don't think you have to worry about PDX and AAG -- it's their second largest hub and I can't see SFO or LAX -- or any other AS station -- changing that situation.

bb
jbpdx wrote:
GabPtown wrote:
This is my first posting so guys please go easy on me....I was wondering what your thoughts were on the today's Alaska-Virgin merger news and it affects on PDX future role as a secondary hub for Alaska? Will we see more significant growth here or has AS shelved it's PDX expansion plans in favor of SAN,SFO, LAX and SJC?


There still are quite a few nonstop routes unserved from PDX. Airlines other than Alaska seem pretty unwilling to fly them, so we're dependent on Alaska. Some key unserved: PDX-MIA, PDX-BNA, PDX-MSY. Underserved: PDX-PHL, PDX-IAD, PDX-BWI. Southwest, American and JetBlue could do some of them but I wouldn't hold my breath. Also, I wouldn't count on Frontier bringing back PDX-CLE next year.



I truly appreciate both of your responses.....
 
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SANFan wrote:
GabPtown wrote:
This is my first posting so guys please go easy on me....I was wondering what your thoughts were on the today's Alaska-Virgin merger news and it affects on PDX future role as a secondary hub for Alaska? Will we see more significant growth here or has AS shelved it's PDX expansion plans in favor of SAN,SFO, LAX and SJC?

Welcome to A.net, Gab'!

Interesting question as I asked a similar one over on the SAN-thread: will AAG be shelving expansion at Lindbergh Field while they concentrate on SFO and LA? It's prolly too early to know what the company strategy is going to be next year, and where; I'm wondering if there will be expansion from SEA, PDX, SAN on the VX side of things?

Bottom line however is that I don't think you have to worry about PDX and AAG -- it's their second largest hub and I can't see SFO or LAX -- or any other AS station -- changing that situation.

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I'd expect to see AA lunch PDX-MIA before the new AS/VX.
 
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I'd expect to see AA lunch PDX-MIA before the new AS/VX.[/quote]

I agree that would be more likely, as the AA to AA metal feed would probably be stronger. AS of course could codeshare on that.
With the codeshare concessions the AS/VX merger is demanding, I could see the AS/AA codeshare markets shifting to new routes exactly like this one, as it doesn't exist currently with either of AS, VX or AA.
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Fri Dec 16, 2016 12:20 am

There still are quite a few nonstop routes unserved from PDX. Airlines other than Alaska seem pretty unwilling to fly them, so we're dependent on Alaska. Some key unserved: PDX-MIA, PDX-BNA, PDX-MSY. Underserved: PDX-PHL, PDX-IAD, PDX-BWI. Southwest, American and JetBlue could do some of them but I wouldn't hold my breath. Also, I wouldn't count on Frontier bringing back PDX-CLE next year.[/quote]

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Frontier had their late spring schedule extension today. PDX, SEA, SFO, and LAX all return as non stops from CLE. It's encouraging to see that PDX did well enough to return again. This is also the 4th summer that F9 will be running their nonstop CLE-SEA flight. I think this is very telling that there's rather strong demand to the pacific NW from CLE, especially considering that these point to point routes with no hub feed at either end keep returning.

Looks like CLE will be returning to PDX next summer......
 
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Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:33 am

GabPtown wrote:
This is my first posting so guys please go easy on me....I was wondering what your thoughts were on the today's Alaska-Virgin merger news and it affects on PDX future role as a secondary hub for Alaska? Will we see more significant growth here or has AS shelved it's PDX expansion plans in favor of SAN,SFO, LAX and SJC?


Welcome to Airliners.net, Gab!
 
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I'd expect to see AA lunch PDX-MIA before the new AS/VX.[/quote]

Of course, AS moved away from MIA a few years back for the cruise traffic up at FLL. I can't see AS going back when they serve FLL.

I agree that would be more likely, as the AA to AA metal feed would probably be stronger. AS of course could codeshare on that.
With the codeshare concessions the AS/VX merger is demanding, I could see the AS/AA codeshare markets shifting to new routes exactly like this one, as it doesn't exist currently with either of AS, VX or AA.[/quote]

It's my understanding that the combined AS can no longer code share on hub to hub routes with AA any longer. Which PDX-MIA would qualify. The days of AA/AS running combined flights on SEA-DFW or LAX-PDX are coming to an end. I knew when AA started LAX-SEA/PDX I knew it would be an issue.
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RWA380 wrote:
Wingtips56 wrote:

I'd expect to see AA lunch PDX-MIA before the new AS/VX.


Of course, AS moved away from MIA a few years back for the cruise traffic up at FLL. I can't see AS going back when they serve FLL.

I agree that would be more likely, as the AA to AA metal feed would probably be stronger. AS of course could codeshare on that.
With the codeshare concessions the AS/VX merger is demanding, I could see the AS/AA codeshare markets shifting to new routes exactly like this one, as it doesn't exist currently with either of AS, VX or AA.[/quote]

It's my understanding that the combined AS can no longer code share on hub to hub routes with AA any longer. Which PDX-MIA would qualify. The days of AA/AS running combined flights on SEA-DFW or LAX-PDX are coming to an end. I knew when AA started LAX-SEA/PDX I knew it would be an issue.[/quote]

Do you think Horizon will add more routes to PDX once the EMB-175 arrive?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:45 pm

Could HIO support airline service? Given the explosive growth at PDX, the Portland metro area, and that the west side has Nike, Intel, etc. if a few dailies to SFO, SEA, LAX on AS/VX could work.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Fri Dec 16, 2016 4:51 pm

BigGSFO wrote:
Could HIO support airline service? Given the explosive growth at PDX, the Portland metro area, and that the west side has Nike, Intel, etc. if a few dailies to SFO, SEA, LAX on AS/VX could work.


As long as the Port of Portland is in control of HIO, it won't happen. And I base that on conversations I've had with PoP executives in 2013 (so it may have changed since then.) While the airport is maintained to Part 129 standards, the lack of terminal and lack of financial backing to build a terminal prevent the Port from looking into making it a commercial airport. They're satisfied with it as a corporate airport even though it's consistently in the 'red'. While I believe HIO makes a great choice for a reliever airport, not likely in the next 5-10 year...but then again, it is the Port and they like to screw around with things.

If anything, and I think most agree, Salem is the perfect PDX reliever airport if ever needed. As of right now, PDX is perfectly fine and has a lot of room to grow into.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Fri Dec 16, 2016 6:12 pm

flyoregon wrote:
As of right now, PDX is perfectly fine and has a lot of room to grow into.


That's the key. As long as PDX works and has room to expand, you won't see another airport north of EUG get any serious commercial traffic. It's just not going to be worth the investment. Now, if PDX ever gets truly maxed out (like SEA is starting to become), then I think HIO or SLE would become serious options for additional service. Just as PAE is starting to become in the Seattle metro.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Sat Dec 17, 2016 4:29 am

BigGSFO wrote:
Could HIO support airline service? Given the explosive growth at PDX, the Portland metro area, and that the west side has Nike, Intel, etc. if a few dailies to SFO, SEA, LAX on AS/VX could work.


I know for a fact that QX has looked at HIO before for flights on Q's to SEA. There is no commercial terminal at all, if they were to gain a carrier, the Port would need to be willing to incur the costs of a passenger terminal, or make some arrangements with QX to help pay for it. The interest is there from the corporate giants you mentioned, The Nike Air Force has a real nice passenger terminal & Phil Knights personal terminal is amazing at HIO.
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Sat Dec 17, 2016 5:19 am

With all the attention on California, do you still think Horizon will expand at PDX once the EMB-175 arrive?
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Sat Dec 17, 2016 10:42 am

RWA380 wrote:
BigGSFO wrote:
Could HIO support airline service? Given the explosive growth at PDX, the Portland metro area, and that the west side has Nike, Intel, etc. if a few dailies to SFO, SEA, LAX on AS/VX could work.


I know for a fact that QX has looked at HIO before for flights on Q's to SEA. There is no commercial terminal at all, if they were to gain a carrier, the Port would need to be willing to incur the costs of a passenger terminal, or make some arrangements with QX to help pay for it. The interest is there from the corporate giants you mentioned, The Nike Air Force has a real nice passenger terminal & Phil Knights personal terminal is amazing at HIO.


In the late 90s, the Hillsboro mayor at the time talked with both QX about operations at HIO; he said both airlines were willing to on their own dime to setup a temporary terminal using portable structures to get service going to gauge needs of what kind of facility they need. QX wanted to run its Seattle shuttle flights from Hillsboro as I understand, but apparently Skywest had some interest in running flights to SFO out of HIO and with the EMB-120; they apparently went far to do a test flight one day...
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:38 pm

agentskelly wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
BigGSFO wrote:
Could HIO support airline service? Given the explosive growth at PDX, the Portland metro area, and that the west side has Nike, Intel, etc. if a few dailies to SFO, SEA, LAX on AS/VX could work.


I know for a fact that QX has looked at HIO before for flights on Q's to SEA. There is no commercial terminal at all, if they were to gain a carrier, the Port would need to be willing to incur the costs of a passenger terminal, or make some arrangements with QX to help pay for it. The interest is there from the corporate giants you mentioned, The Nike Air Force has a real nice passenger terminal & Phil Knights personal terminal is amazing at HIO.


In the late 90s, the Hillsboro mayor at the time talked with both QX about operations at HIO; he said both airlines were willing to on their own dime to setup a temporary terminal using portable structures to get service going to gauge needs of what kind of facility they need. QX wanted to run its Seattle shuttle flights from Hillsboro as I understand, but apparently Skywest had some interest in running flights to SFO out of HIO and with the EMB-120; they apparently went far to do a test flight one day...


The only scheduled carrier that I'm aware of that ever offered commercial sercvice out of HIO was Far West Airlines, twin prop service to OTH, MFR & BFI, this is an image of the only timetable & route map I've ever seen.

http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/far.htm
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Sat Dec 17, 2016 6:01 pm

GabPtown wrote:
With all the attention on California, do you still think Horizon will expand at PDX once the EMB-175 arrive?

I think if you look at what AS is doing with 175s out of SEA that is what they will likely do with 175s from PDX as a start. I also would expect many of the shuttle flights to turn it to 175s to compete with DL better
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Sat Dec 17, 2016 6:43 pm

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Almost every flight in and out of PDX this evening is delayed because of winter storm. Several cancellations.

RWA380 you are welcome yes I don't know what the person was thinking.
 
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Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 13

Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:09 pm

I still find it so strange the seasonality of the PDX market. It seems many carriers have highly variable seasonal schedule additions at PDX, and I wonder if this caters more directly to the Portland metro area, and Oregon, or to travel to the area. I've used the example before, but for instance, Delta has SEVEN daily non-stops to MSP during the summer, nearly a 75% increase in daily seat capacity in that one market alone.

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