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Jet Airways converts AMS to all Boeing B777 op eff 14JAN

Mon Sep 26, 2016 2:50 am

Jet Airways is set to make the following changes to their Amsterdam ops starting from the Winter schedule -

* Mumbai-Amsterdam upgauges to Boeing B777-300ER eff 30OCT (previously announced)
* Delhi-Amsterdam upgauges to Boeing B777-300ER eff 01JAN
* Toronto-Amsterdam upgauges to Boeing B777-300ER eff 14JAN

Along with this - Jet Airways has made several operational changes in their international network

* Paris - 9W124/123 retimed from an early morning departure to a late-night departure effective W16
* Bangkok - 9W70/69 upgauges from a Boeing B737-900ER to Airbus A330-200 effective W16
* Kathmandu receives an additional daily each from Delhi & Mumbai effective W16
* Launch of new Kerala-Gulf sectors - Thiruvananthapuram-Dubai and Kozhikode-Sharjah effective W16 (this is in addition to previously announced and commenced Hyderabad-Dammam, Mangalore-Sharjah, 2nd daily Delhi/Mumbai-Dammam for this year)

Source: - airlineroute.net
 
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Re: Jet Airways converts AMS to all Boeing B777 op eff 14JAN

Mon Sep 26, 2016 3:53 am

How many 777-300ERs do they / will they operate?

Is DEL-LHR and BOM-LHR (2x) staying on the 777-300ER?
 
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Mon Sep 26, 2016 4:16 am

Yes the LHR flights from BOM & DEL will stay on the 777-300 ER
 
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Mon Sep 26, 2016 6:01 am

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How many 777-300ERs do they / will they operate?

Is DEL-LHR and BOM-LHR (2x) staying on the 777-300ER?


They currently have 7 B777-300ERs, with 3 more expected to return from Etihad in a few months.

And yes, all LHR flights will stay 77W.
 
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Mon Sep 26, 2016 6:54 am

In other news, French newspaper La Tribune reports that Jet Airways will start flights between Bangalore - Amsterdam and Chennai - Paris CDG. No times/types/dates are given.
 
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Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:01 am

It seems the move of the Jet Airways scissor hub from BRU to AMS is paying off handsomely and Jet Airways TATL network is starting to see improvements. Particularly the extensive cooperation with DL/KL has proved a success. Jet Airways has called the opening of AMS, the airline's most successful new station for many years. The Jet Airways office in AMS has also alluded to the opening of new scissor hub routes in 2017. Let's wait and see!

The success of AMS, seems to have resulted in the Jet Airways decision to deepen the 9W/DL/KL cooperation to include CDG and AF. As the schedule change for BOM-CDG is entirely aimed at increasing connections over Paris. As clarified by the Jet Airways Press release:

'' Jet Airways enhances connectivity to North America and Europe with new flight schedule to Paris ''

Mumbai, Sep 22, 2016
Jet Airways, India's premier international airline, will offer seamless connectivity to North America and Europe over Paris, as part of its revised winter schedule, along with its partners Air France and Delta Air Lines.

Effective Oct 30, 2016, flight 9W 124 from Mumbai to Paris will depart at 0250 hrs IST and arrive at 0820hrs local time, while on the return leg, 9W 123, will depart Paris at 1130 hrs local time and land in Mumbai at 0045 hrs IST the following day.

As a result of the revised timings, guests will now be able to connect to 25 European and more than 10 North American cities over Paris. Some of the popular destinations in Europe include Amsterdam, Barcelona, Berlin, Birmingham, Copenhagen, Dublin, Frankfurt, Geneva, Madrid, Manchester, Munich, Nice, Oslo, Prague, Stockholm, Stuttgart, Vienna, and Zurich.

Similarly, the new schedule will offer guests convenient connections over Paris to Boston, Chicago, Cincinnati, Houston, Los Angeles, Miami, New York, Newark, San Francisco, Washington, Vancouver, Montréal and Mexico City in North America.

Gaurang Shetty, Whole-time Director, Jet Airways, said, "We are pleased that the revised schedule now provides our guests greater choice over Paris to destinations in North America and Europe."

Jet Airways will operate an Airbus A330-200 aircraft on this route, with 18 Premiere seats that open up as flatbeds and 236 ergonomic Economy seats offering guests unmatched comfort. Guests traveling to Paris will experience the airline's famed in-flight service, its award-winning In-flight Entertainment system, carefully crafted menus offering a range of Indian and international dining options, along with the airline's signature warm hospitality.'''

The 9W/DL/AF/KL cooperation may turn out to be a perfect 'Win-win-win-win' situation for all on TATL-Europe-India.
 
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Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:36 am

PietPiloot wrote:
In other news, French newspaper La Tribune reports that Jet Airways will start flights between Bangalore - Amsterdam and Chennai - Paris CDG. No times/types/dates are given.


Is there a link (even a French one) to this story? Please do share :)
 
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Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:51 am

atal17 wrote:
PietPiloot wrote:
In other news, French newspaper La Tribune reports that Jet Airways will start flights between Bangalore - Amsterdam and Chennai - Paris CDG. No times/types/dates are given.


Is there a link (even a French one) to this story? Please do share :)


http://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-fin ... 00265.html
 
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Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:11 am

Interesting. Jet Airways seems to be doing well. What will happen to Air India?
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Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:29 am

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atal17 wrote:
PietPiloot wrote:
In other news, French newspaper La Tribune reports that Jet Airways will start flights between Bangalore - Amsterdam and Chennai - Paris CDG. No times/types/dates are given.


Is there a link (even a French one) to this story? Please do share :)


http://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-fin ... 00265.html


Thank you! :)

So what it looks like is DL-AF-KL is getting 9W to better their Indian network ex-AMS/CDG/LHR in order to be able to boost the volume of transatlantic connections they're able to sell on their metal. Now, if 9W does go ahead and commence BLR-AMS, I'd expect AF to drop their CDG-BLR in favour, and instead use the same metal to commence CDG-HYD - thereby giving SkyTeam an effective leg-up in terms of competing with BA and LH.

The planned LHR retimes seem to be more of a DL influence, to get 9W to stop competing with VS on similar timings between DEL-LHR, but instead to use VS's transatlantic network to push more connections there.
 
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Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:39 am

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Interesting. Jet Airways seems to be doing well. What will happen to Air India?

Probably continue to leak money all over the place and the government will keep on sticking their nose in. :(
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Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:44 am

Great news. I'm looking forward to the better connectivity to India - having recently gone from the states to Chennai, there were not a ton of Dl/AF/KL based options.
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Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:01 am

Dutchy wrote:
Interesting. Jet Airways seems to be doing well. What will happen to Air India?

about time, jet airways never made a profit.
 
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Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:16 am

tvh wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Interesting. Jet Airways seems to be doing well. What will happen to Air India?

about time, jet airways never made a profit.


They just did last year, and was quite profitable till they made their dumbest decision to acquire the A330/B777 fleet without any plans ever.
 
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Re: Jet Airways converts AMS to all Boeing B777 op eff 14JAN

Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:23 pm

atal17 wrote:
Jet Airways is set to make the following changes to their Amsterdam ops starting from the Winter schedule -

* Mumbai-Amsterdam upgauges to Boeing B777-300ER eff 30OCT (previously announced)
* Delhi-Amsterdam upgauges to Boeing B777-300ER eff 01JAN
* Toronto-Amsterdam upgauges to Boeing B777-300ER eff 14JAN

I don't know how those last two would work since the flights between Toronto and Amsterdam is the same flight/plane as between Delhi and Amsterdam.
It's DEL-AMS-YYZ-AMS-DEL with the same plane. According to Jet Airways' website starting from January 13 DEL-AMS will be operated by the 777 AMS-DEL will be operated by the 777 from January 15. So I'm guessing that in between those dates a A330 will go AMS-YYZ-AMS-YYZ-AMS.
I think...
Doesn't make much sense though...
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Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:06 pm

So I have to ask: will this entice Jet Airways to join Skyteam, and possibly the transatlantic JV becomes a transAtlantic South Asia JV? These up gauges seem to indicate that what they're doing is working, so enlarging the alliance might add even more money to their bottom line.
 
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Mon Sep 26, 2016 10:12 pm

Prost wrote:
So I have to ask: will this entice Jet Airways to join Skyteam, and possibly the transatlantic JV becomes a transAtlantic South Asia JV? These up gauges seem to indicate that what they're doing is working, so enlarging the alliance might add even more money to their bottom line.


Jet plans joint venture with Air France-KLM

Jet Airways is negotiating a joint venture (JV) agreement with Air France-KLM to expand its commercial co-operation with the European airline network.

Jet Airways, which is co-owned by Etihad Airways, is not a member of any aviation alliance but it has code share agreements with several airlines, including Air France-KLM.

If the deal fructifies, it would be Jet Airways’ first large-scale commercial agreement outside of Etihad and Etihad-owned airlines. Etihad also has strong commercial and technical support agreements with Air France-KLM.

According to airline sources, Jet signed a memorandum of understanding with Air France-KLM about two weeks ago to form a JV. The proposed JV will cover routes in India, Europe and North America but finer details are still to be worked out, sources added.

In March, Jet shifted its European gateway from Brussels to Amsterdam (which is KLM’s hub), indicating its closeness with the two European airlines. And last week, Jet changed its schedule of Mumbai-Paris flight to provide more onward connections over Paris.

A JV mostly involves a far greater cooperation between airlines and participating airlines usually share costs, revenue and profits on routes. Air France-KLM, Delta and Alitalia have an extensive JV, covering routes between Europe and North America and offering about 25 per cent of capacity on transatlantic routes.

On Monday, French and Dutch media reported about the signing of an in-principle agreement between Jet Airways and Air France-KLM for a JV. French newspaper La Tribune went on to say after the Rafale fighter deal, Air France is making a big impact in India. Responding to a query on proposed JV, a Jet spokesperson said “As a policy, Jet doesn’t comment on speculations.”

At present, Jet flies to Paris and Amsterdam and is now planning to resume its US service. Air France flies to three cities in India (Delhi, Mumbai and Bengaluru) and KLM flies to Delhi. The French and Dutch media reports said network in India would be expanded next year with plans to connect Hyderabad, Chennai or Bengaluru with Amsterdam and Paris.

Jet deploy its wide-body planes profitably on Europe or North America routes. At the same time, this would help Air France-KLM expand its presence in India and counter Lufthansa-led Star alliance,” said an industry observer.

“Amsterdam Airport Schiphol was very pleased to see Mumbai being reconnected to our network with Jet arriving to Amsterdam. We have understood that the performance of the operation is going very well and as proof for that Jet will operate a B777-300ER on the Mumbai-Amsterdam route, instead of the A330 aircraft. Next year, the B777 aircraft could also be used on the Delhi-Amsterdam-Toronto route,” a spokesperson of the Amsterdam airport said.
“With the arrival of Jet Airways to Amsterdam, there is also a close cooperation between KLM and Delta Air Lines. The flights of Jet Airways to Amsterdam connect to 30 European destinations and 11 North American destinations. Of course, the vast network of Jet Airways in India is used to feed passengers to each other’s flights,” the spokesperson added.
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Mon Sep 26, 2016 10:16 pm

"At present, Jet flies to Paris and Amsterdam and is now planning to resume its US service. " I assume this would be part of the KLM-Delta JV with Jet? So it would make sense to wrap it in with Air France?
 
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Tue Sep 27, 2016 12:13 am

1) Would it ever be possible to see a 9W 77W doing BOM-JFK, the market is clearly there and the I'd think the finance ties between the 2 cities could warrant the service, seeing that UA and AI are doing quite well out of EWR

2) Any chance of seeing 9W in SkyTeam as result of this cooperation with DL/AF/KL ?
 
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Tue Sep 27, 2016 1:15 am

iadadd wrote:
1) Would it ever be possible to see a 9W 77W doing BOM-JFK, the market is clearly there and the I'd think the finance ties between the 2 cities could warrant the service, seeing that UA and AI are doing quite well out of EWR

2) Any chance of seeing 9W in SkyTeam as result of this cooperation with DL/AF/KL ?


1) I don't think Jet Airways would ever fly BOM-JFK non-stop. First of all, it is an ultra long haul route. There is heavy competition from Mumbai to New York City, and Jet Airways would not make a profit on the route. United Airlines offers an EWR-BOM and BOM-EWR service, and even though the flight is an ultra long haul it is very profitable. Talking about Air India is pretty sad, because the airline is not profitable at all. BOM-EWR is unprofitable for Air India and is causing big losses for the airline.

2) I think Jet Airways would have quite a good fit in SkyTeam. More than several years ago, Jet Airways wanted to join Star Alliance, but the moment Etihad Airways invested in them shut down any chances of getting into the alliance. I think that entering SkyTeam will happen, it just won't happen right away. At the current moment, let Jet Airways become more comfortable with Air France, Delta, and KLM. There is no rush to join SkyTeam, but I'm sure with the help of three partners they can for sure join SkyTeam.
 
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Tue Sep 27, 2016 3:55 am

iadadd wrote:
1) Would it ever be possible to see a 9W 77W doing BOM-JFK, the market is clearly there and the I'd think the finance ties between the 2 cities could warrant the service, seeing that UA and AI are doing quite well out of EWR

2) Any chance of seeing 9W in SkyTeam as result of this cooperation with DL/AF/KL ?


In addition to what NichCage just said.

If 9W stays constant with the 77W fleet at 10, this is how its current 77W rotations, would look like -

1x Mumbai-Amsterdam-Mumbai
2x Mumbai-London-Delhi-London-Mumbai
1x Mumbai-London-Mumbai
2x Delhi-Amsterdam-Toronto-Amsterdam-Delhi
2x Mumbai-Singapore-Mumbai-Dubai-Mumbai-Singapore-Mumbai
0.75x Mumbai-Hong Kong.

That just means that 9W won't have enough a/c to turn around for a potential Mumbai-Newark.

Besides, these noises about a possible future cooperation with AF/KL/DL just proves they want to bring India pax to these guys who will take it from there. So, it is very likely that 9W will not step into the USA, and is more comfortable funnelling US traffic through Abu Dhabi (EY), Amsterdam (KL/DL), Paris (AF/DL) & London (VS/DL)
 
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Tue Sep 27, 2016 7:20 am

iadadd wrote:

1) Would it ever be possible to see a 9W 77W doing BOM-JFK, the market is clearly there and the I'd think the finance ties between the 2 cities could warrant the service, seeing that UA and AI are doing quite well out of EWR



The whole point of a 9W/AF/DL/KL Joint Venture is for each airline to build on its strength and to achieve maximum efficiency by avoiding costly loss making ULH operations.

Jet Airways already offers an extensive codeshare network to the USA using DL and KL (and soon AF) as its partners:

These are Jet Airways' North American codeshare departures from AMS, following the arrival of its flights from DEL and BOM.

- 09:30 New York JFK 9W 8002 Jet Airways
- 09:50 San Francisco 9W 8815 Jet Airways
- 09:50 Los Angeles 9W 8809 Jet Airways
- 09:55 Houston 9W 8803 Jet Airways
- 10:30 New York JFK 9W 8003 Jet Airways
- 11:20 Toronto 9W 234 Jet Airways
- 12:40 Los Angeles 9W 8810 Jet Airways
- 12:40 Calgary 9W 8823 Jet Airways
- 12:40 Chicago 9W 8813 Jet Airways
- 13:25 Washington 9W 8801 Jet Airways
- 13:25 Vancouver 9W 8821 Jet Airways
- 13:30 New York JFK 9W 8805 Jet Airways
- 14:45 Edmonton 9W 8817 Jet Airways
- 15:05 Newark 9W 8000 Jet Airways
- 15:20 Montreal 9W 8819 Jet Airways
- 17:20 New York JFK 9W 8806 Jet Airways

Jet Airways can take USA and Canada bound passengers very cost effectively with one-stop (AMS / CDG) to their North American destinations, without having to operate multiple Ultra Long Haul flights to various North American cities.

Remember that it is much more efficient to connect multiple Indian cities BOM, DEL, HYD, MAA, BLR, etc.. with JFK, LAX, SFO, ORD, IAD, IAH, etc... through a central interchange hub, than it is to operate each ULH sector independently: BOM-JFK, BOM-LAX, BOM-SFO, BOM-ORD, BOM-IAD, BOM-IAH etc......DEL-JFK, DEL-LAX, DEL-SFO,....etc...

An airline can only afford these long non-stop services, if the volume of demand guarantees full aircraft at high yields all the time.

That said, it would not surprise me if we were to see 9W one day open AMS-JFK with B77W to feed the DL hub.
 
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Tue Sep 27, 2016 3:22 pm

Interesting bits of additional information coming through via various news channels.

- 9W has signed a MoU with AF/DL/KL for the establishment of TATL/Europe/India Joint Venture.
- Cooperation to be intensified with S17 operations.
- 9W may open MAA-CDG, BLR-AMS and/or HYD-AMS.
- 9W could link up with a DL hub for more internal US connections, so a 9W return to the USA.

Let the guessing begin;

- 9W to commence AMS to JFK, ATL, DTW, MSP, LAX........? ? ?
 
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Tue Sep 27, 2016 4:03 pm

factsonly wrote:
- 9W could link up with a DL hub for more internal US connections, so a 9W return to the USA.

Let the guessing begin;

- 9W to commence AMS to JFK, ATL, DTW, MSP, LAX........? ? ?


I may be wrong but I am not so sure that this means 9W is returning to the US (yet)...Here's the official press release from Delta:

http://news.delta.com/delta-air-france- ... -amsterdam

In addition to 9W now placing its code on all of DL/KL/AF's nonstops out of AMS and CDG to the US, Canada, and Mexico, it says that 9W will now codeshare to 10 US domestic cities through Delta's hubs but that just means they will place the code on say JFK-LAS or DTW-STL as an extension of their AMS/CDG-JFK or AMS/CDG-DTW codeshared flights (operated by Delta or KLM or AF).

"...Subject to government approvals, Jet Airways will also codeshare to 10 cities within the U.S. operated from and to Delta’s U.S. hubs to the following destinations – Austin, Charlotte, Columbus, Denver, Las Vegas, Orlando, Phoenix, San Diego, St. Louis and Tampa...."

If 9W were to start flights now to JFK or ATL or DTW in conjunction with these domestic codeshares, it would already have been mentioned....
 
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Tue Sep 27, 2016 4:10 pm

Cool, so the original codeshare agreement with KL and DL is evolving into a joint venture involving AF too. This is great news for all parties involved. Is AZ (also a DL-KL-AF tatl joint venture partner and an Etihad equity partner) also going to be involved in this or not?

Under this new agreement, YUL and MEX will also be offered via CDG on AF metal on a codeshare basis.

Is the current AF CDG-BLR service going to continue if 9W opens BLR-AMS?

The article I found mentioned that 9W is considering flying to New York, so I assume that would be JFK. What is unclear is whether this would be a one-stop service from India via AMS, or a nonstop from BOM. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ind ... 536179.cms
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Tue Sep 27, 2016 4:30 pm

EddieDude wrote:
Under this new agreement, YUL and MEX will also be offered via CDG on AF metal on a codeshare basis.



MEX will also be offered thru AMS on KLM in addition to AF thru CDG...

From the Delta press release:

Expanded codeshare agreement through Amsterdam Airport Schiphol

Through Amsterdam Airport Schiphol, Jet Airways will codeshare to nine additional points between North America to Amsterdam operated by Delta and KLM, bringing the total to 19 points. The additional destinations include: Atlanta, Boston, Detroit, Miami, Minneapolis, Portland, Salt Lake City, Seattle, and Mexico City, Mexico.
 
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Tue Sep 27, 2016 4:41 pm

Would BOS be a destination 9W consider serving with their own aircraft using a BOM-AMS- BOS routing? BOS has finances, education medical and technology companies. Preclude AI from entering the market.
 
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Tue Sep 27, 2016 7:29 pm

EddieDude,

Ironically the current Jet Airways schedule BOM-CDG-BOM (valid until the end of October) works better from MEX and a few other destinations, including MIA for example. That's because arrivals from MEX typically arrive in the afternoon and evening, long after flights to India have departed. FYI, for same-day one-stop connections from MEX, BA and LH are options.

I think this partnership will evolve over time and Jet will eventually bring in evening flights out of AMS and/or CDG to India with daytime returns. However, business travellers seem to very strongly prefer the typical Europe-India schedule, daytime eastbound, overnight westbound. So far, only LHR is a solid performer with "reverse" timings to/from India. Let's see what happens. Even on shorthaul leisure-oriented flights like DEL-BKK, red-eyes seem the most popular way to go.

For now, there is a lot of clumping in the upcoming schedule, and one would think that AF, KL, and 9W might separate the flights a little more to open up more connections and options.
 
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Wed Sep 28, 2016 2:04 am

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Effective Oct 30, 2016, flight 9W 124 from Mumbai to Paris will depart at 0250 hrs IST and arrive at 0820hrs local time, while on the return leg, 9W 123, will depart Paris at 1130 hrs local time and land in Mumbai at 0045 hrs IST the following day.

So what happens to the CDG-BOM-CDG flight by AF?
Will there be 2 flights departing 20 minutes apart from BOM to CDG? Right now the AF flight leaves BOM at 2:30 am
 
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Wed Sep 28, 2016 7:07 am

DTWLAX wrote:

So what happens to the CDG-BOM-CDG flight by AF?
Will there be 2 flights departing 20 minutes apart from BOM to CDG? Right now the AF flight leaves BOM at 2:30 am


The same situation already exists on DEL-AMS-DEL, where 9W and KL both operated with just 1hr. in between both departures. It indicates that the market has a strong preference for overnight west bound service ex-India, as it offers the best TATL connections.

- dep. DEL 02:35 - arr. AMS 08:00 9W A333 daily
- dep. DEL 02:35 - arr. AMS 08:00 KL - codeshare on 9W

- dep. DEL 03:35 - arr. AMS 08:55 KL A330 daily
- dep. DEL 03:35 - arr. AMS 08:55 9W - codeshare on KL
 
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Wed Sep 28, 2016 2:07 pm

Couple of things:
I really hope AF doesn't stop their flight but don't quite understand why the flights are basically timed exactly (other than the AF will soon go away and pax will be transferred to 9W with out any connection disruption). Also will the 9W flight move to where AF operates at CDG? My mom always complains about the walk for connections (she would take the old 9W BOM-CDG flight that connected to the last flight CDG-JFK). I usually arrive from BOM and connect to europe, she, like most pax, connects to USA bound flights. It seems to me that AF and 9W should both use the terminal (or sub terminal - what ever they call 2M, 2E etc) where NA flights arrive and depart.

Wonder if AC's announcement of YYZ-BOM will light some fire for this new partnership to start JFK-BOM. I think its long overdue for them and flight times that allow for connections on both ends should work given the premium demand in both NYC and BOM plus DL's and 9W's FF pools in each city. If AI can get a premium on SFO-DEL and UA can fill the front on EWR-BOM, I don't see why DL/9W cannot (I know people will say EWR is where most Indians settled in the USA live, but they are not really filling the front). For Y pax, the ME3 has proven, tons of India origination pax are totally fine with JFK.

Finally the FF partnership between DL/9W needs to be comprehensive. USA-India are too long / expensive (in J) to not have full miles/mqms - so tier 1 is a must. Also upgrade certs need to work as well. Again India redemptions (miles flights / upgrades) are really what Indian American executives settled in the US use their redemptions on. As a child we were a Pan Am family 100% (my dad being the main business flyer) because of India World Pass redemptions. Today I fly Delta/ST for 100% of my business travel and probably only use miles on India redemptions. In NYC most of our family friends fly United for business because India redemptions / upgrades are so much easier there. What ever you might say about India originating pax being price drive, Indians in the US are one of the most affluent ethnic groups and those that have been long settled, are fine with paying premiums for convenience and sane travel timings (meaning 4am departures are a NO GO).
 
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Fri Sep 30, 2016 1:33 am

CaliguyNYC wrote:
Couple of things:
I really hope AF doesn't stop their flight but don't quite understand why the flights are basically timed exactly (other than the AF will soon go away and pax will be transferred to 9W with out any connection disruption). Also will the 9W flight move to where AF operates at CDG? My mom always complains about the walk for connections (she would take the old 9W BOM-CDG flight that connected to the last flight CDG-JFK).

I agree. The morning BOM-CDG flight was a good alternate to the AF flight leaving at night. I preferred it because it was a convenient connection to the last CDG-LAX flight and allowed me to reach LAX late evening and hit the bed straightaway.
9W already operates from Terminal 2 at CDG where majority of the international AF flights depart from. 9W uses 2C and the AF international operations are spread over 2C, 2D and 2E (K, L, M concourses). It can take a while to get from 2C to 2E M concourse.
 
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Re: Jet Airways converts AMS to all Boeing B777 op eff 14JAN

Fri Sep 30, 2016 11:19 am

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* Delhi-Amsterdam upgauges to Boeing B777-300ER eff 01JAN

Too bad. Just booked this flight a few weeks ago, departing next Feb. When I booked it was an A330-300, was happy about it because I could book a window seat for myself and an aisle seat for my wife (something she really wants an a longer flight). Had resigned to the fact that the return leg via BOM was a 77W, unavoidable because it was the only realistic stopover coming from NAG.
Had I known before I would probably have chosen the KLM 744 flight to DEL. Positive thing about the A333/77W swap is that our seats have been reallocated to 26J/26K, first row of economy with extra legroom. Will have to endure the narrower seats, but we'll survive.
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Re: Jet Airways converts AMS to all Boeing B777 op eff 14JAN

Fri Sep 30, 2016 9:26 pm

Paris CDG is a horrible airport for connections in many cases. If your journey is starting and ending in Paris, it is not a problem. However, connections are pretty bad because of the fact that flights are spread out. It was a good move for Jet Airways to use Amsterdam for connections to Toronto, because the one terminal layout is much better than Paris CDG.

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