A.net has changed, there used to be a few pro Russian posters here that would instantly reply with their talking points. Maybe the funding cut back on the troll factory stories are true after all.
You spoke too soon...
What I personally find most annoying about these talking heads is that any actual discussion you might have had in a forum like this gets stifled by these chattering droids. Reasonable debate seems to evaporate very quickly, once the "OMG Russia is EVIL"
and "OMG NATO is trying to blame EVERYTHING on poor Russia"
types show up.
Trying not to think too much along lines that have been re-hashed countless times, one point to ponder over.
Assuming the shoot-down was indeed perpetrated with a weapon that had been directly provided by Russia to the rebels, with our without crew. And assuming that the shoot-down had not been intentional (see above: for the life of me, I cannot come up with a reason for Russia, or the rebels, doing this sort of thing intentionally). If these two points are assumed, something I don't understand about the stance Russia seems to have taken in all this is - why bother to protect the perpetrators?
To wit: if this was indeed an accident, someone must be responsible. And I cannot see anyone higher up in the Russian command chain having any sympathy for people who are careless enough in the execution of their duties to accidentally cream an airliner full of tourists. And by doing this, severely undermining the very goals Russia seems to be striving for, in this particular theatre. Historically speaking, people have been put in front of firing squads for far less: Thou Shalt Not Fuck Up
is still quite an important point in the military, especially if you have people like Putin et al, who are not particularly known for their gregarious humour vis a vis annoying failures, at the top. To these people, the lives of low-level soldiers in a grey area like rebel held territory matter little. Especially as handing over the cretins responsible for the shoot-down would not cost them loyalty within their own army: I can hardly see anyone
in the Russian military, down to the rank and file, having any sympathy for the perpetrators of such a lunacy.
And the fact that the actual weapon came from Russia could probably have been obfuscated, given that the Ukrainian army also has similar systems. If Russia had publicly executed the perpetrators (or had the rebels do that for them), and invested all its lying power (so to speak) into claiming the weapon used in the shoot down had come from Ukrainian sources, the whole matter might have not blown out of all proportion like it has.
Instead, a long litany of more or less plausible stories emerged. Strange behaviour, at least up to a point - given how competent Russia seems to act otherwise in its media relations recently.