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Deutsche Bank Contagion: Nord LB, Lufthansa, Korean Air Pull Bond Deals

Thu Sep 29, 2016 2:57 am

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Re: Deutsche Bank Contagion: Nord LB, Lufthansa, Korean Air Pull Bond Deals

Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:22 am

Yeah, the uncertainty around DB is driving the euro debt markets nuts. This isn't airline centric.
 
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Re: Deutsche Bank Contagion: Nord LB, Lufthansa, Korean Air Pull Bond Deals

Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:29 am

This could be indicative of a thousand different things for each carrier...... or nothing, for any of them.

Not much point to this topic in light of such, as any conclusion from the information given would be 100% speculative-- even more so than most stuff is here. :-P
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Re: Deutsche Bank Contagion: Nord LB, Lufthansa, Korean Air Pull Bond Deals

Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:59 am

dc10lover wrote:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-27/deutsche-bank-contagion-nord-lb-lufthansa-korean-air-pull-bond-deals

Something is up.

Just a reminder to posters starting a new thread.. please include commentary with the link. A link with little commentary is subject to deletion. Please create a thread discussion with a summary of the link provided so that users are not forced to exit the site to view the material. Thanks!

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Re: Deutsche Bank Contagion: Nord LB, Lufthansa, Korean Air Pull Bond Deals

Thu Sep 29, 2016 7:33 am

atcsundevil wrote:
dc10lover wrote:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-27/deutsche-bank-contagion-nord-lb-lufthansa-korean-air-pull-bond-deals

Something is up.

Just a reminder to posters starting a new thread.. please include commentary with the link. A link with little commentary is subject to deletion. Please create a thread discussion with a summary of the link provided so that users are not forced to exit the site to view the material. Thanks!

atcsundevil ✈️

RTFA is at the core of a good discussion.

In contrast we've seen some rather "personal view centric" article synopsii that completely "deformed" the linked information.
usually for some massively partisan purpose or other.

*RFTA := https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTFM#List ... nitialisms
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Re: Deutsche Bank Contagion: Nord LB, Lufthansa, Korean Air Pull Bond Deals

Thu Sep 29, 2016 10:51 am

WIederling wrote:
RTFA is at the core of a good discussion.

In contrast we've seen some rather "personal view centric" article synopsii that completely "deformed" the linked information.
usually for some massively partisan purpose or other.

Asking thread starters to post more than a link and a brief comment deters users from spamming our boards. It's an attempt to hold people to a higher standard by getting good quality thread starters. Yes, people should read the article, but people should also be given the option of seeing a brief synopsis or key points to spur discussion. Ideally it would include brief quotes or unbiased summary, because in reality, many users won't read the article, so a strong summary helps prevent misguided discussion. Naturally in plenty of cases personal bias seeps through, and this is something we would similarly like to avoid seeing.

This isn't based on my personal beliefs, these are the standards that have long been pushed by other moderators on this site to promote insightful commentary based on user feedback. We just like to offer a friendly reminder so that we can continue the tradition on this site of professional, intelligent postings and discussions. Well, that's the idea anyway!

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Re: Deutsche Bank Contagion: Nord LB, Lufthansa, Korean Air Pull Bond Deals

Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:31 am

My personal view on this matter is, that nothing will happen. Deutsche Bank would be bailed out by the government, it is one of these companies which are too big to fail. The German government even saved the way smaller Commerzbank and multiple smaller banks in 2009.

So far their CEO states all rumours are false, they have enough cash reserves and he never asked the government to bail out the bank. As this was an official statement and he could not risk lying about that as the CEO of a company listed on the stock market, I think everything is safe.
 
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Re: Deutsche Bank Contagion: Nord LB, Lufthansa, Korean Air Pull Bond Deals

Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:58 am

CARST wrote:
My personal view on this matter is, that nothing will happen. Deutsche Bank would be bailed out by the government, it is one of these companies which are too big to fail. The German government even saved the way smaller Commerzbank and multiple smaller banks in 2009.

So far their CEO states all rumours are false, they have enough cash reserves and he never asked the government to bail out the bank. As this was an official statement and he could not risk lying about that as the CEO of a company listed on the stock market, I think everything is safe.



I think so too. Merkel stated that a bailout was out of the question, but when push comes to shove? This may be an issue for the German economy in the short run, but a solution may be near. They have set aside 5.5 billion$ for a settlement with the DOJ. Perhaps they'll settle at 4bil$?
 
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Re: Deutsche Bank Contagion: Nord LB, Lufthansa, Korean Air Pull Bond Deals

Thu Sep 29, 2016 12:51 pm

WIederling wrote:
atcsundevil wrote:
dc10lover wrote:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-27/deutsche-bank-contagion-nord-lb-lufthansa-korean-air-pull-bond-deals

Something is up.

Just a reminder to posters starting a new thread.. please include commentary with the link. A link with little commentary is subject to deletion. Please create a thread discussion with a summary of the link provided so that users are not forced to exit the site to view the material. Thanks!

atcsundevil ✈️

RTFA is at the core of a good discussion.

In contrast we've seen some rather "personal view centric" article synopsii that completely "deformed" the linked information.
usually for some massively partisan purpose or other.

*RFTA := https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTFM#List ... nitialisms


And in this case, a synopsis will help you from having to click on a zerohedge article, which tend to be as conspiracy laden and not based in facts as they get. I think I'll wait for information to come out on an actual credible news source.
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Re: Deutsche Bank Contagion: Nord LB, Lufthansa, Korean Air Pull Bond Deals

Thu Sep 29, 2016 1:03 pm

With Commerzbank announcing they are axing almost 10,000 full time jobs and retreating from investment banking and other past core business functions, there is ZERO chance the German government will let DB collapse. The remaining smaller banks, mostly Landesbanken and Sparkassen, do not provide all the services in the debt market that the German economy needs locally. I certainly don't think DB collapsing should be on anyone's list of major concerns.

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