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Icelandair announces two new routes - TPA and PHL

Mon Oct 03, 2016 1:45 pm

Icelandair is planning on announcing two new routes over the next coming weeks. They are also getting another pair of 767 and are going to add another bank of flights at their KEF hub.

http://dashboard.flightglobal.com/app/# ... newsstream

Thoughts on the two possible destinations? This is all good news from Icelandair.
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Re: Icelandair to announce two new routes

Mon Oct 03, 2016 1:49 pm

VIE and NCE or DUB and VIE?
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Re: Icelandair to announce two new routes

Mon Oct 03, 2016 1:56 pm

If it's two more 767's that are coming in, that suggests US expansion - maybe 2 from LAX, LAS & MIA ?
 
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Mon Oct 03, 2016 1:58 pm

TPA....TPA....TPA.....please?

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Re: Icelandair to announce two new routes

Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:00 pm

I can't access the article, but is the new pair of flights with existing aircraft/not the 767s? If so, than FCO, VIE, and PRG seem like viable contenders. If they are talking about new flights for the additional 767s, than I would imagine North American destinations. SAN, AUS, MSY, BNA would seem to be viable candidates, especially with tourist demand on both ends, and are no doubt pushing for new Euro service.
 
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Re: Icelandair to announce two new routes

Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:08 pm

They are not adding a new bank but expanding the current secondary bank. It will be most interesting to see what other European destinations can work with the secondary bank which has departures to Europe after midnight in Iceland.

VIE and NCE don't really fit into the current rotations, MUC is as far as they can go in Europe and be back in Iceland to meet the connections to North America. I expect these new destinations to be either in North America or in the UK or Ireland.
 
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Re: Icelandair to announce two new routes

Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:23 pm

hvusslax wrote:
They are not adding a new bank but expanding the current secondary bank. It will be most interesting to see what other European destinations can work with the secondary bank which has departures to Europe after midnight in Iceland.

VIE and NCE don't really fit into the current rotations, MUC is as far as they can go in Europe and be back in Iceland to meet the connections to North America. I expect these new destinations to be either in North America or in the UK or Ireland.


There was some chatter that TPA would be added so that wouldn't surprise me.I've not heard about another destination and have to think DUB is on the short-list for European points to be served. It fits within the range for serving to get there and back in time to fit the bank. Nevertheless, it wouldn't surprise me if FI doesn't launch DUB and instead selects another destination. I do see where WW is up to 5 flights a week between DUB-KEF for S17.
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Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:24 pm

767 would indicate West Coast if it's US. I know I am dreaming but it would be nice to see Icelandair in Asia. Iceland is increasingly popular for East Asian tourists who want to stay away from cities. KEF-NRT and -ICN would be within range of 763.
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Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:28 pm

On a related note, can anyone here tell me why Ryanair (FR) doesn't yet serve Iceland? Is there a reason or are FR just more focused on the continent?
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Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:31 pm

styles9002 wrote:
On a related note, can anyone here tell me why Ryanair (FR) doesn't yet serve Iceland? Is there a reason or are FR just more focused on the continent?


I believe they feel that the fees at KEF are too expensive for them and Reykjavík has no cheaper alternative airport.
 
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Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:31 pm

Maybe IAH, but I admit that is a longshot.
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Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:33 pm

raylee67 wrote:
767 would indicate West Coast if it's US. I know I am dreaming but it would be nice to see Icelandair in Asia. Iceland is increasingly popular for East Asian tourists who want to stay away from cities. KEF-NRT and -ICN would be within range of 763.



That is assuming that the B767s are for new routes. It could be that FI is just using the new B767s to upgauge existing B757 routes and then use those B757s to launch the new routes.
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Re: Icelandair to announce two new routes

Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:33 pm

hvusslax wrote:
styles9002 wrote:
On a related note, can anyone here tell me why Ryanair (FR) doesn't yet serve Iceland? Is there a reason or are FR just more focused on the continent?


I believe they feel that the fees at KEF are too expensive for them and Reykjavík has no cheaper alternative airport.

Not only to expensive but unwilling to subsidise FR in flying to KEF.
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Re: Icelandair to announce two new routes

Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:36 pm

BNA would be interesting 3x weekly. The market to Europe is more business driven, but I think Iceland Air could make a move to an untapped market before someone else comes in.

There is that pesky FIS facility for inbounds to deal with, but for 3x weekly I imagine they could find a way to make it work. Remember, just inbounds need to deal with that. You could still have the outbounds depart from a game with more seating space. .

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Re: Icelandair to announce two new routes

Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:36 pm

raylee67 wrote:
767 would indicate West Coast if it's US. I know I am dreaming but it would be nice to see Icelandair in Asia. Iceland is increasingly popular for East Asian tourists who want to stay away from cities. KEF-NRT and -ICN would be within range of 763.


I don't see the west coast happening. Now that WW flies to the west coast it is less likely an option for Icelandair. I doubt Icelandiar would want to add the west coast flights to the 12am bank either because of the limited connections onward from KEF with them.
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Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:41 pm

It is of course exciting to speculate about new exotic routes but the thing about Icelandair is that its management is a pretty conservative and careful bunch (they should be, Icelandair Group is owned largely by pension funds). I feel like it is much more likely that they continue to build on their known strengths rather than launch some really out-there routes. The additional 767s do not necessarily signal to me that they would be used for new longer routes beyond 757 reach. They'll probably mostly be for upgauging current routes.
 
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Re: Icelandair to announce two new routes

Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:46 pm

hvusslax wrote:
styles9002 wrote:
On a related note, can anyone here tell me why Ryanair (FR) doesn't yet serve Iceland? Is there a reason or are FR just more focused on the continent?


I believe they feel that the fees at KEF are too expensive for them and Reykjavík has no cheaper alternative airport.

What if they flew to akureyri? It might not be an alternative to KEF but I heard that there is demand between akureyri and CPH.
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Re: Icelandair to announce two new routes

Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:53 pm

The article does not say if the 767s are for new routes or increasing capacity on existing routes. They expect to raise capacity by 13% in 2017. These two new destinations will be in North America or Europe not Asia.
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Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:56 pm

I honestly think DTW is one, Icelandair got a taste of Detroit through charters last winter. Plus for the cost conscious traveler it makes sense for Western European connections that are thin that aren't easily accessible via 1 or nonstop.
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Re: Icelandair to announce two new routes

Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:04 pm

lesfalls wrote:
hvusslax wrote:
styles9002 wrote:
On a related note, can anyone here tell me why Ryanair (FR) doesn't yet serve Iceland? Is there a reason or are FR just more focused on the continent?


I believe they feel that the fees at KEF are too expensive for them and Reykjavík has no cheaper alternative airport.

What if they flew to akureyri? It might not be an alternative to KEF but I heard that there is demand between akureyri and CPH.


They would call it 'Reykjavik North' :)
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Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:06 pm

My guesses:
Adding FCO and DFW.
 
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Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:08 pm

Obviously I'm hoping for a new Canadian destination. When the Canada-EU Open Skies deal was signed, FI immediately announced YYZ and at the time said that YUL, YOW, YWG and YYT were on their potential list of cities served. Well since then they've launched YEG, YVR and YUL, so 3 of the original 4 mentioned are still potentials. Now that YYT is up to 3 daily transatlantics in summer, YOW and YWG must be at the top of their Canadian adds list.
 
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Re: Icelandair to announce two new routes

Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:08 pm

In Canada.... YYC, YWG, YOW, YQB.....
In the States, California and Southern Florida are the obvious holes in their network. So i'll go with LAX, SFO, MIA, TPA or FLL.

I'll also add DTW and AUS as possible candidates.
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Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:08 pm

Miami or Dallas anyone?
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Re: Icelandair to announce two new routes

Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:11 pm

lesfalls wrote:
hvusslax wrote:
styles9002 wrote:
On a related note, can anyone here tell me why Ryanair (FR) doesn't yet serve Iceland? Is there a reason or are FR just more focused on the continent?


I believe they feel that the fees at KEF are too expensive for them and Reykjavík has no cheaper alternative airport.

What if they flew to akureyri? It might not be an alternative to KEF but I heard that there is demand between akureyri and CPH.


If FR was interested in doing so then I am sure that they would get a good deal from Icelandic authorities because they are very interested in getting some international flight into AEY or EGS. The problem is that the home market is really small and the demand from foreign tourists to travel directly to northern or eastern Iceland has not been established. Logically, one would think it should be possible because tourism to Iceland is driven by natural sights rather than by Reykjavík as a city but it has proved very difficult to establish permanent international routes out of AEY or EGS despite many attempts.
 
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Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:18 pm

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Maybe IAH, but I admit that is a longshot.


I'd be surprised if IAH was announced, for a couple of reasons:
IAH is corporate travel heavy, FI doesn't have the corporate pull for the route (think BA/UA/KL and their core markets and connectivity)
IAH is reliant upon the oil trade, which is currently depressed and seeing a drop in travel
 
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Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:20 pm

hvusslax wrote:
lesfalls wrote:
hvusslax wrote:

I believe they feel that the fees at KEF are too expensive for them and Reykjavík has no cheaper alternative airport.

What if they flew to akureyri? It might not be an alternative to KEF but I heard that there is demand between akureyri and CPH.


If FR was interested in doing so then I am sure that they would get a good deal from Icelandic authorities because they are very interested in getting some international flight into AEY or EGS. The problem is that the home market is really small and the demand from foreign tourists to travel directly to northern or eastern Iceland has not been established. Logically, one would think it should be possible because tourism to Iceland is driven by natural sights rather than by Reykjavík as a city but it has proved very difficult to establish permanent international routes out of AEY or EGS despite many attempts.


I thought when wow operated 1x weekly AEY-CPH it was quite good but then they stopped the route to focuse more on expanding from KEF.
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Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:21 pm

330lover wrote:
lesfalls wrote:
hvusslax wrote:

I believe they feel that the fees at KEF are too expensive for them and Reykjavík has no cheaper alternative airport.

What if they flew to akureyri? It might not be an alternative to KEF but I heard that there is demand between akureyri and CPH.


They would call it 'Reykjavik North' :)


Only a "couple" hours away from KEF Ryanair would say when they would advertise it :).
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Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:22 pm

Would love PHL, but with a B763, that would be a longshot, would be enter suited with a B752, but I can see LAX being added.
 
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Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:26 pm

lesfalls wrote:
hvusslax wrote:
lesfalls wrote:
What if they flew to akureyri? It might not be an alternative to KEF but I heard that there is demand between akureyri and CPH.


If FR was interested in doing so then I am sure that they would get a good deal from Icelandic authorities because they are very interested in getting some international flight into AEY or EGS. The problem is that the home market is really small and the demand from foreign tourists to travel directly to northern or eastern Iceland has not been established. Logically, one would think it should be possible because tourism to Iceland is driven by natural sights rather than by Reykjavík as a city but it has proved very difficult to establish permanent international routes out of AEY or EGS despite many attempts.


I thought when wow operated 1x weekly AEY-CPH it was quite good but then they stopped the route to focuse more on expanding from KEF.


I might be the reason. A route like that is always going to be at a disadvantage. It would need to perform very strongly to justify the hassle of positioning flights between KEF and AEY.
 
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Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:29 pm

Hopefully they announce ATL. If not, then I could see something like LAS or DTW
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Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:31 pm

757usairways wrote:
Would love PHL, but with a B763, that would be a longshot, would be enter suited with a B752, but I can see LAX being added.


The 767 will be used to upgrade a current 757 route, so PHL is an option with the freed up aircraft. I highly doubt LAX is in the cards due to the high amount of competition to Europe there. But then again, FI now flies to ORD so who knows
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Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:37 pm

i wish it would be PHX!
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Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:37 pm

One thing that shocked me recently is, TPA has a metropolitan area of 5-6 million!

At that rate of growth, Trans Atlantic nonstop appears inevitable.

Edit: More TA nonstop :lol:
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Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:38 pm

I'd love to see IAH, BNA, LAX, LAS or my hometown, SLC.
 
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Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:39 pm

I'm assuming DXB is too much to ask for :D Or maybe a fifth freedom in the Gulf tagged on to DXB...
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Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:40 pm

What I want to know is what they plan to do about increasing their check-in counter space at KEF to accommodate the massive increase in flights they've had the past two years...I've seen the check-in line going out the door before because that airport just doesn't have the space...
 
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Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:49 pm

Flighty wrote:
One thing that shocked me recently is, TPA has a metropolitan area of 5-6 million!

At that rate of growth, Trans Atlantic nonstop appears inevitable.



From TPA one can fly nonstop to LGW (British Airways), ZRH (Edelweiss) and FRA (Lufthansa).
 
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Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:55 pm

AWACSooner wrote:
What I want to know is what they plan to do about increasing their check-in counter space at KEF to accommodate the massive increase in flights they've had the past two years...I've seen the check-in line going out the door before because that airport just doesn't have the space...


I don't know what the plan is for the check-in hall in the short term but there is a masterplan in place for multiplying the floor space available for it. That's still some 5-10 years away though.
 
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Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:08 pm

FLL is next
 
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Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:10 pm

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What I want to know is what they plan to do about increasing their check-in counter space at KEF to accommodate the massive increase in flights they've had the past two years...I've seen the check-in line going out the door before because that airport just doesn't have the space...


There is a new master plan which includes building a whole new check-in area and parking lot north of runway 2/20 and then a walkway over from there. The current check-in and surrounding area would then be used for more gates. Not sure on the proposed time line though.
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Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:15 pm

Flighty wrote:
One thing that shocked me recently is, TPA has a metropolitan area of 5-6 million!

At that rate of growth, Trans Atlantic nonstop appears inevitable.

Edit: More TA nonstop :lol:


I believe the Tampa Bay area is maybe 3 million.
 
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Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:16 pm

There is a lot of room in Europe for expansion. Pretty much anything east of Frankfurt and south of Milan. I think they have reached their limit in North America for the time being.
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I'm assuming DXB is too much to ask for :D Or maybe a fifth freedom in the Gulf tagged on to DXB...
/wishful thinking

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Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:25 pm

I'd love to see ATH, but since they don't even fly to FCO at the moment, it's probably too far into Southern Europe for them.
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I'd love to see ATH, but since they don't even fly to FCO at the moment, it's probably too far into Southern Europe for them.


That might be why they are adding another bank for flights.
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FLL is next


Says who? FLL lost Eurowings and WOW air to MIA because of issues at FLL.

Condor pulled out and there's rumors of Norwegian moving to MIA. Not going well for FLL at the moment.

On an side note, I don't see Icelandair starting flights to MIA after WOW air just announced service. But you never know.
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Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:37 pm

lavalampluva wrote:
There is a lot of room in Europe for expansion. Pretty much anything east of Frankfurt and south of Milan. I think they have reached their limit in North America for the time being.


There is a reason why the European side of the network looks like that. It focuses on routes that can fit into the window between the North America rotations. MUC and ZRH are at the edge of what's possible to fit inside that window. There are other routes like Madrid or Milan but you'll notice that these flights are not part of the main European bank. There are still some unserved cities in Europe that fit within this range window like Dublin, Berlin or Prague and I expect these are more likely additions before new destinations outside this range.
 
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Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:49 pm

Miami wrote:
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FLL is next


Says who? FLL lost Eurowings and WOW air to MIA because of issues at FLL.

Condor pulled out and there's rumors of Norwegian moving to MIA. Not going well for FLL at the moment.

On an side note, I don't see Icelandair starting flights to MIA after WOW air just announced service. But you never know.



FLL does makes sense from the standpoint of FI's #1 USA partner B6 having a good sized operation there.
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Mon Oct 03, 2016 5:20 pm

Why not DFW and work with AA?
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