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TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:12 pm

Fernando Pinto announced today that TP will launch 11 new routes in 2017, of which 7 will be in Europe, 3 in Africa, and 1 in N.America.
The only hint he provides for these new routes destinations was that some of the new European destinations will be cities that were previously served.
http://viagens.sapo.pt/planear/noticias ... as-em-2017
I'm very curious which new African destinations these will be. I've always said that TP should strengthen it's presence in Africa and especially West Africa. I certainly hope Abidjan is part of this expansion. As for N.America I suspect it will be IAD.
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:15 pm

The N.America route will either be IAD or ORD. However, I wouldn't be shocked if they suprised us with LAX or SFO.
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:17 pm

TAP has the States well covered with Newark, New York, Boston and Miami. I bet the North America route is Toronto.
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:19 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
TAP has the States well covered with Newark, New York, Boston and Miami. I bet the North America route is Toronto.


Agreed YYZ would be my guess.
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:30 pm

I thought about YYZ but AC already flies YYZ-LIS albeit seasonal, so I'm not so sure that would work. Another option would be FLL which is a B6 hub. Is there enough of a market for TP to serve both MIA and FLL? They do EWR/JFK but of course the market there is very large.
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:48 pm

I could personally see LAX and SFO as real possibilities, however both IAD and ORD seem more logical. SFO would probably make more sense than LAX because of all of the recent expansion of European carriers at LAX (competition), and because SFO is clearly a larger Star Alliance hub than LAX at this point.
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:53 pm

Is it possible that TAP may be considering IAH as one of those destinations?
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:59 pm

I'm hoping for DUB as one of the European routes
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:20 pm

I'm hoping for SFO as the wild card choice. Big VFR market in the Bay Area and Central Valley, Star hub, and rapid growth in flights to Europe
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:23 pm

I am the only person that feels that all this expansion by TAP is not going to end well for them? Portugal is not high-yielding market and LIS is congested and poorly positioned for connections except EU-South America...
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:27 pm

Eirules wrote:
I'm hoping for DUB as one of the European routes

With FR going 3x Daily on that route and Aer Lingus double daily flights, that might not happen.
I do believe TAP & Aer Lingus codeshare on that route already.

Article mentions that some routes will be routes that were served in the past.

African routes, perhaps LOS? And somewhere else in Cape Verde?

Surely the ATR's and Embraer's would be perfect aircraft for some canaries routes? Specially for pax transferring from MIA and CCS?
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:37 pm

For selfish reasons - hopefully DBV.
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:38 pm

TP doesn't codeshare with EI
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:41 pm

In terms of the Euro routes, one or more of Edinburgh, Birmingham or Dublin from Lisbon should be in with a shout.

The article does state OPO and FAO need strengthening against competition, so, potentially one or 2 routes from there too?
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:48 pm

adamh8297 wrote:
For selfish reasons - hopefully DBV.

DBV was operated briefly a few years ago.. never came back
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:51 pm

santos wrote:
Eirules wrote:
I'm hoping for DUB as one of the European routes

With FR going 3x Daily on that route and Aer Lingus double daily flights, that might not happen.

TP is taking on the LCC's at LIS. That is an integral part of their new operating model.
http://www.theportugalnews.com/news/tap ... ares/39365
At the same time they are trying to push the LCC's out of LIS and to Montijo.
http://www.tvi24.iol.pt/economia/aeropo ... do-montijo
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:07 pm

i think in Africa they will grow in Morocco and Algeria, maybe JNB but probably not.
in EU they might add DUB, STR and maybe BSL.
in north america it would probabely be ORD or IAD.
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:16 pm

usflyer123 wrote:
i think in Africa they will grow in Morocco and Algeria, maybe JNB but probably not.
in EU they might add DUB, STR and maybe BSL.
in north america it would probabely be ORD or IAD.


I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I hope it's NOT ORD.
I'll never again voluntarily make a domestic/international connection at ORD in my life.
Been there, done that, no thank you.
Even EWR was better (I was shocked) last time I went through.
And IAD is very manageable.
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:28 pm

santos wrote:
adamh8297 wrote:
For selfish reasons - hopefully DBV.

DBV was operated briefly a few years ago.. never came back


It would probably only be seasonal too if its one of the 7 routes.

I have no clue on LIS O+D to other parts of Europe - are there any gaps that need to be filled? Do they want these new European routes to help fill their Transatlantic ops??
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:50 pm

I could see them starting LAX or SFO.
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:54 pm

usflyer msp wrote:
I am the only person that feels that all this expansion by TAP is not going to end well for them? Portugal is not high-yielding market and LIS is congested and poorly positioned for connections except EU-South America...


I feel the same. Two or so years ago they opened a variety of new routes like Bucharest, Hannover and Manaus which were all cut at the beginning of the year.. Hopefully, they will carefully plan and make sure if there is demand enough in the market. YYZ-LIS would probably be a good route for them but venturing too deep in the African market may not be the best move.. Only time will tell I guess. Plus as you said LIS is already congested and is severely limiting Portugal's market at the moment.
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:54 pm

I do hope that some of these routes are to Spain. TP is not strong in secondary Spanish cities even though it could pose as good connecting point.
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:55 pm

TAP announced YYZ when they ordered the A321 neo, I believe they were in the same press release package. Based on that, i'd say its highly likely to be YYZ.
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:06 pm

I think IAD, ORD, YYZ, YUL make the most sense.
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:07 pm

C010T3 wrote:
I do hope that some of these routes are to Spain. TP is not strong in secondary Spanish cities even though it could pose as good connecting point.

Are you sure?
They serve BIO, VGO, VLC, AGP, SVQ, LCG, OVD, not sure what other secondary cities do you mean (mainland anyway).
Air Nostrum did start Santander this summer from LIS.
 
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Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:25 pm

User001 wrote:
In terms of the Euro routes, one or more of Edinburgh, Birmingham or Dublin from Lisbon should be in with a shout.

The article does state OPO and FAO need strengthening against competition, so, potentially one or 2 routes from there too?

Would be interesting to see if enough demand at ie EDI to support EZY and TP.
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:28 pm

User001 wrote:
In terms of the Euro routes, one or more of Edinburgh, Birmingham or Dublin from Lisbon should be in with a shout.

The article does state OPO and FAO need strengthening against competition, so, potentially one or 2 routes from there too?


FAO is very unlikely. They left FAO to the LCC a long time ago, doubt they would operate routes out of FAO apart from the LIS-FAO-LIS rotation.
OPO is also unlikely as they removed many routes recently out of OPO to divert more traffic into flights out of LIS,
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:32 pm

There is a very large (and growing) Brazilian population in Ireland so DUB may work well offering connections to South America.
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:24 am

santos wrote:
C010T3 wrote:
I do hope that some of these routes are to Spain. TP is not strong in secondary Spanish cities even though it could pose as good connecting point.

Are you sure?
They serve BIO, VGO, VLC, AGP, SVQ, LCG, OVD, not sure what other secondary cities do you mean (mainland anyway).
Air Nostrum did start Santander this summer from LIS.


Well, in the mainland, they should urgently start ALC. That's their biggest hole, but there are others, like ZAZ, EAS, SDR (like you mentioned), but let^s not forget MJV, LEI, XRY, GRX and (why not?) GIB.
Apart from the mainland, there are plenty of opportunities in the Balearic and the Canary Islands.
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Wed Oct 05, 2016 1:40 am

Toronto for 2017 would be interesting with 3 other carriers between Lisbon and Toronto already on the route.
I can see Chicago in 2018 after the T5 expansion is complete.
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:41 am

Hopefully resume JNB?
Just like IB that have now resumed with a better product, perhaps TP can also with A330 3 x weekly and feed for North American connections together with other European/Morocco connections.

I've just booked flights last night to Portugal for next year on TAAG via Luanda...very cheap though R4300 (roughly Euro300) return (JNB-LAD-OPO-LAD-CPT)
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:42 pm

usflyer123 wrote:
i think in Africa they will grow in Morocco and Algeria, maybe JNB but probably not.

Morocco and Algeria are already served. Can't imagine what else to add there.

adamh8297 wrote:
I have no clue on LIS O+D to other parts of Europe - are there any gaps that need to be filled? Do they want these new European routes to help fill their Transatlantic ops??

My guess is that yes, it is about the TATL feed, so I'd think more Italy, France and possibly Spain and a return to Athens.

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I could see them starting LAX or SFO.

Not a chance. IIRC, PEK/BKK/ICN/NRT are far bigger markets than LAX/SFO and they've stated that they have no interest in serving those.

GRJGeorge wrote:
Hopefully resume JNB?

The problem is widebody availability. TP is not gettig any new widebodies so I find it very unlikely that they would start 2 long haul routes. Although I think that if they could get a morning departure to JNB and a red-eye on the return, that it would connect very well with N.America routes and serve the O&D market too.
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Wed Oct 05, 2016 1:37 pm

I bet YYZ or YUL
IAD and ORD make sense also
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Wed Oct 05, 2016 2:59 pm

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I'm hoping for SFO as the wild card choice. Big VFR market in the Bay Area and Central Valley, Star hub, and rapid growth in flights to Europe

Me, too. The East Coast has a good assortment of flights. Especially with UA's IAD-LIS(which has next to no "local" need for this flight) coming back, and DL adding a JFK-LIS, also next summer.

Not only do you have the Bay Area.....but also San Diego and Hawaii both have strong Portuguese community, and can be fed into SFO on UA. I'm betting on SFO!
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Wed Oct 05, 2016 3:10 pm

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I am the only person that feels that all this expansion by TAP is not going to end well for them?

Yes you are.
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Wed Oct 05, 2016 3:14 pm

AA737-823 wrote:
usflyer123 wrote:
i think in Africa they will grow in Morocco and Algeria, maybe JNB but probably not.
in EU they might add DUB, STR and maybe BSL.
in north america it would probabely be ORD or IAD.


I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I hope it's NOT ORD.
I'll never again voluntarily make a domestic/international connection at ORD in my life.
Been there, done that, no thank you.
Even EWR was better (I was shocked) last time I went through.
And IAD is very manageable.


I'm not against ORD, as an airport, and in fact, like it.........but really and truly, no real local market for LIS at all in Illinois, or the Midwest in general(save for my brother-in-law, "the only Portuguese guy in Iowa" :) )....... can't fathom ORD or MSP or DTW at all.......even ATL/DFW/IAH is a bit of a stretch...... got to be East Coast or California.....and with the East Coast covered to Portugal, it's should be SFO or LAX.

In Europe, I could see STR, ATH, ORK, and GLA!

For Africa......out of left field......maybe ADD, since it is a Star Alliance hub??

Maybe even TLV!
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Wed Oct 05, 2016 3:17 pm

TAP served LAX before so a return could be possible I would say.
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Wed Oct 05, 2016 3:18 pm

YYZ would make total sense given they have AC there for feeder flights. Both are in Star Alliance!
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Wed Oct 05, 2016 3:19 pm

C010T3 wrote:
santos wrote:
C010T3 wrote:
I do hope that some of these routes are to Spain. TP is not strong in secondary Spanish cities even though it could pose as good connecting point.

Are you sure?
They serve BIO, VGO, VLC, AGP, SVQ, LCG, OVD, not sure what other secondary cities do you mean (mainland anyway).
Air Nostrum did start Santander this summer from LIS.


Well, in the mainland, they should urgently start ALC. That's their biggest hole, but there are others, like ZAZ, EAS, SDR (like you mentioned), but let^s not forget MJV, LEI, XRY, GRX and (why not?) GIB.
Apart from the mainland, there are plenty of opportunities in the Balearic and the Canary Islands.


Some of those routes are extremely "narrow". Also LCG, OVD and VGO are heavily subsidized by local governments.

- ALC: I agree
- ZAZ: I could see some point. Currently ZAZ is not connected to any hub (as most people just take the train to MAD or BCN), so it could make sense; after all Zaragoza is quite a large city (700k people).
- EAS: next to BIO
- SDR: between OVD and BIO
- MJV: next to ALC, small market, very seasonal and oriented towards Northern European traffic
- LEI: small airport, small market, very seasonal and oriented towards Northern European traffic
- XRY: small airport, small market, not far from SVQ, very seasonal and oriented towards Northern European traffic
- GRX: small airport relatively small market, very close to AGP
- GIB: small airport very oriented towards to the UK (even Iberia couldn't make GIB work). But who knows... maybe between GIB and the US they can find something?

So I completely agree on ALC, and maybe ZAZ or GIB as "long shots" and thinking out of the box.

As for the islands, the problem with Portugal is that is a tiny market (you rarely see Portuguese tourists abroad) and if they want islands, there is Madeira and the Azores. However some of those cities are quite big by themselves (PMI, TFN, LPA) and connectivity to hubs (other than MAD) is not always easy since most traffic is charter/low-cost. So they could see some point. Also places like IBZ or MAH which are quite unique by themselves.
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Wed Oct 05, 2016 3:42 pm

TAP served LAX before so a return could be possible I would say.


At which time did TAP fly to Los Angeles ? Would you have the schedule used then ?
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Wed Oct 05, 2016 3:43 pm

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Me, too. The East Coast has a good assortment of flights. Especially with UA's IAD-LIS(which has next to no "local" need for this flight) coming back, and DL adding a JFK-LIS, also next summer.

Just because there is no current O&D market it doesn't mean that it can't be built up. Remember, Fernando Pinto wants to server up to 10 new destinations in N.America. He wants to make TP a relevant airline in the TATL market. There is very little O&D market between the U.S. and OSL/CPH and yet, DY flies how many non-stops from OSL/CPH to the U.S.? Likewise for FI between the U.S. and KEF.

Nevertheless I think there is more local demand than people think. UA would not start this route if there wasn't. AA would not have added CLT-LIS if there was no demand in the Southeast. U.S. tourism to Portugal increased by double-digits this year and the DC area is a very wealthy region. In addition, Portugal has acquired a very good reputation for start-ups. But more importantly, the East Coast is a low risk, lower cost venture. It only takes 1 aircraft to do a r/t from LIS.

Not only do you have the Bay Area.....but also San Diego and Hawaii both have strong Portuguese community, and can be fed into SFO on UA. I'm betting on SFO!

OAK gets SATA seasonally and that's all the West Coast will ever see in the near future, IMO. The new TP is not interested in the Portuguese Communities. If that was the case they'd be flying PDL-PVD for example. Having said that, that might very well be the new N.America route :)
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:45 pm

airlittoralguy wrote:
At which time did TAP fly to Los Angeles ? Would you have the schedule used then ?


It was with L-1011 via stop in Azores. Seems it was late 1980s/early 90s.

I'm sure other knowledgeable posters can share additional details.
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:53 pm

usflyer msp wrote:
I am the only person that feels that all this expansion by TAP is not going to end well for them? Portugal is not high-yielding market and LIS is congested and poorly positioned for connections except EU-South America...


I share the same worries. Hope for the best, but it seems they could expand a little too fast.
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:22 pm

airlittoralguy wrote:
At which time did TAP fly to Los Angeles ? Would you have the schedule used then ?


TAP launched LAX in 1989. LIS-Terceira-LAX 2x weekly (Thursday/Sunday) using L-1011-500.

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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:08 pm

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The new TP is not interested in the Portuguese Communities.


Then explain the addition of BOS and JFK. Close proximity to two of the largest Portuguese-speaking communities in the nation.
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Wed Oct 05, 2016 10:33 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
C010T3 wrote:
santos wrote:
Are you sure?
They serve BIO, VGO, VLC, AGP, SVQ, LCG, OVD, not sure what other secondary cities do you mean (mainland anyway).
Air Nostrum did start Santander this summer from LIS.


Well, in the mainland, they should urgently start ALC. That's their biggest hole, but there are others, like ZAZ, EAS, SDR (like you mentioned), but let^s not forget MJV, LEI, XRY, GRX and (why not?) GIB.
Apart from the mainland, there are plenty of opportunities in the Balearic and the Canary Islands.


Some of those routes are extremely "narrow". Also LCG, OVD and VGO are heavily subsidized by local governments.

- ALC: I agree
- ZAZ: I could see some point. Currently ZAZ is not connected to any hub (as most people just take the train to MAD or BCN), so it could make sense; after all Zaragoza is quite a large city (700k people).
- EAS: next to BIO
- SDR: between OVD and BIO
- MJV: next to ALC, small market, very seasonal and oriented towards Northern European traffic
- LEI: small airport, small market, very seasonal and oriented towards Northern European traffic
- XRY: small airport, small market, not far from SVQ, very seasonal and oriented towards Northern European traffic
- GRX: small airport relatively small market, very close to AGP
- GIB: small airport very oriented towards to the UK (even Iberia couldn't make GIB work). But who knows... maybe between GIB and the US they can find something?

So I completely agree on ALC, and maybe ZAZ or GIB as "long shots" and thinking out of the box.

As for the islands, the problem with Portugal is that is a tiny market (you rarely see Portuguese tourists abroad) and if they want islands, there is Madeira and the Azores. However some of those cities are quite big by themselves (PMI, TFN, LPA) and connectivity to hubs (other than MAD) is not always easy since most traffic is charter/low-cost. So they could see some point. Also places like IBZ or MAH which are quite unique by themselves.


I fully agree with you on your analysis. I listed many airports, but TP should not necessarily serve all of them. It's important to find the right constellation, which is not an easy task, but I do think that there is space for TAP to serve 3 to 5 additional destinations. I do agree that the demand for most of the destinations will not come from Portugal. TAP is trying to enhance the position of LIS as hub, therefore they do have to build a broader network. The ATRs are perfect for that kind of expansion.
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Wed Oct 05, 2016 10:39 pm

There is mention of BKK and other Asian destination possibilities above. How about DXB?

I believe TP and EK co-operate in some fashion, and EK is axing its second daily flight.
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Wed Oct 05, 2016 11:25 pm

Yes, everyone is looking, in terms of LIS service, since it is the largest city and hub for TP. But, just came to mind that OPO could also use a trip to the USA, in fact, frequent flyers have asked for service to OPO. Maybe OPO to BOS/NYC airports, or even IAD(solely on partner UA feed) could be a possibility.
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Wed Oct 05, 2016 11:29 pm

airbazar wrote:
Freshside3 wrote:
Me, too. The East Coast has a good assortment of flights. Especially with UA's IAD-LIS(which has next to no "local" need for this flight) coming back, and DL adding a JFK-LIS, also next summer.

Just because there is no current O&D market it doesn't mean that it can't be built up. Remember, Fernando Pinto wants to server up to 10 new destinations in N.America. He wants to make TP a relevant airline in the TATL market. There is very little O&D market between the U.S. and OSL/CPH and yet, DY flies how many non-stops from OSL/CPH to the U.S.? Likewise for FI between the U.S. and KEF.

Nevertheless I think there is more local demand than people think. UA would not start this route if there wasn't. AA would not have added CLT-LIS if there was no demand in the Southeast. U.S. tourism to Portugal increased by double-digits this year and the DC area is a very wealthy region. In addition, Portugal has acquired a very good reputation for start-ups. But more importantly, the East Coast is a low risk, lower cost venture. It only takes 1 aircraft to do a r/t from LIS.

Not only do you have the Bay Area.....but also San Diego and Hawaii both have strong Portuguese community, and can be fed into SFO on UA. I'm betting on SFO!

OAK gets SATA seasonally and that's all the West Coast will ever see in the near future, IMO. The new TP is not interested in the Portuguese Communities. If that was the case they'd be flying PDL-PVD for example. Having said that, that might very well be the new N.America route :)


Problem with SATA is they will be getting A321s, to replace what they currently have in the fleet. The 321s don't even have anywhere close to the range needed to get to OAK. I suspect that OAK will be axed from the schedule, at some point, because of this.

By the same token, I can see SATA doing PVD or BDL to PDL or TER.....but the lack of interline agreements aren't going to help the folks in OAK-town.
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Thu Oct 06, 2016 1:53 am

continental004 wrote:
Then explain the addition of BOS and JFK. Close proximity to two of the largest Portuguese-speaking communities in the nation.

Some O&D helps but BOS and JFK are major B6 hubs. EWR is the NYC airport for the Portuguese community. BOS and New England Portuguese disapora are predominantly from the Azores not the mainland. If you've ever been on the BOS-LIS flight as many times as I have, it's easy to notice a huge percentage of the passengers are NOT Portuguese, and a large number are connecting. Especially so outside of the Summer months and xmas period. MIA is also not a Portuguese community and TP flies there.
Freshside3 wrote:
Yes, everyone is looking, in terms of LIS service, since it is the largest city and hub for TP. But, just came to mind that OPO could also use a trip to the USA, in fact, frequent flyers have asked for service to OPO. Maybe OPO to BOS/NYC airports, or even IAD(solely on partner UA feed) could be a possibility.

TP already flies EWR-OPO.
Freshside3 wrote:
Problem with SATA is they will be getting A321s, to replace what they currently have in the fleet. The 321s don't even have anywhere close to the range needed to get to OAK. I suspect that OAK will be axed from the schedule, at some point, because of this.

SATA wet leases aircraft in the Summer in order to be able to serve OAK and all other seasonal routes. I expect that to continue. And Euro Atlantic 767 operating for SATA is quite common in Boston.
The A321's are replacing the A310's. The A310's do not fly non-stop to OAK. The route is TER-BOS-OAK. The A321 can do that too. They also have 1 A330. And they will also likely continue to lease aircraft in the Summer for extra lift.
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