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LXwing
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:35 pm

More news about the coming A333! The remaining 2 will have special liveries!!! :D The one of CS-TOV will be similar to the one pictured below. :bigthumbsup:

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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:20 am

Fantastic news. It was about time for TAP to have a retro livery. :bigthumbsup:

I just wonder how long the A333s will stay with TAP.
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Wed Mar 29, 2017 11:06 am

Lomé (LFW) has now been officially confirmed as the 9th (and possibly last) destination of TAP's S17 season route expansion.
Unlike what was previously though, it will be operated from 17 July as a 4x a week circular route with ACC, effectively replacing the currently direct ACC route. Mondays and Fridays will see a LIS-ACC-LFW-LIS routing, while Wednesdays and Sundays will see the opposite LIS-LFW-ACC-LIS routing. It is unclear if TAP will have traffic rights for the ACC-LFW sector or not.
The current 4x a week LIS-ACC-TMS-ACC-LIS route will continue to operate unchanged, meaning that on Sundays there will be 2 flights connecting to ACC.
On the other hand, it is likely that the anticipated LIS-FLR-LIS route will start only for the W17 season.
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:01 pm

LXwing wrote:
Lomé (LFW) has now been officially confirmed as the 9th (and possibly last) destination of TAP's S17 season route expansion.
Unlike what was previously though, it will be operated from 17 July as a 4x a week circular route with ACC,

That's a much better option, IMO. Not only does it provide the option for 1-stop connections between LFW and the rest of TP's network, but with fellow *A airline, ET starting JNB-LFW-JNB, it might now be possible to fly LIS-LFW-JNB with TP/ET. We'll have to wait to see the schedules.
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:01 pm

airbazar wrote:
LXwing wrote:
Lomé (LFW) has now been officially confirmed as the 9th (and possibly last) destination of TAP's S17 season route expansion.
Unlike what was previously though, it will be operated from 17 July as a 4x a week circular route with ACC,

That's a much better option, IMO. Not only does it provide the option for 1-stop connections between LFW and the rest of TP's network, but with fellow *A airline, ET starting JNB-LFW-JNB, it might now be possible to fly LIS-LFW-JNB with TP/ET. We'll have to wait to see the schedules.

All LIS departures are at 16h40. Departures from LFW are at 23h55 (direct) or at 22h10 (through ACC).
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:35 pm

As TP adds A330's could we see LIS-JNB-LIS nonstops?
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Wed Mar 29, 2017 7:09 pm

LXwing wrote:
All LIS departures are at 16h40. Departures from LFW are at 23h55 (direct) or at 22h10 (through ACC).

Bummer. That won't work. This is ET's schedule:
ET859 JNB0715 – 1130LFW 738 x246
ET858 LFW1400 – 2210JNB 738 x246

georgiabill wrote:
As TP adds A330's could we see LIS-JNB-LIS nonstops?

I doubt it. There's so much more money to be made in the U.S., and a bigger market too.
However, LIS-LFW-JNB sounds interesting :)
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:10 am

I's thought I'd ask it on here rather than start a new topic.
I've seen recently that TAP is using A330's to Viena, Dakar, Heathrow today and a few other Euro destinations. Is this because of shortage of shorthaul airctaft, or are these scheduled A330 rotations? So they can be used instead of being parked at LIS?
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:47 am

santos wrote:
I's thought I'd ask it on here rather than start a new topic.
I've seen recently that TAP is using A330's to Viena, Dakar, Heathrow today and a few other Euro destinations. Is this because of shortage of shorthaul airctaft, or are these scheduled A330 rotations? So they can be used instead of being parked at LIS?

Most of these now frequent shorthaul WB rotations are due to high occupations, mainly LHR, ORY, VIE and DKR. But there are a few ones that are purely due to shortage of NB aircraft because of the ongoing cabin retrofit process on the fleet.
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Fri Mar 31, 2017 9:16 am

airbazar wrote:
LXwing wrote:
All LIS departures are at 16h40. Departures from LFW are at 23h55 (direct) or at 22h10 (through ACC).

Bummer. That won't work. This is ET's schedule:
ET859 JNB0715 – 1130LFW 738 x246
ET858 LFW1400 – 2210JNB 738 x246

georgiabill wrote:
As TP adds A330's could we see LIS-JNB-LIS nonstops?

I doubt it. There's so much more money to be made in the U.S., and a bigger market too.
However, LIS-LFW-JNB sounds interesting :)


Could have worked possibly, and might still happen if the price is right then some might go via LFW...however I believe TAP and SAA actually do codeshare through ACC...SAA JNB-ACC, TAP ACC-LIS.

However I think TAAG is making a clean-sweep on the South Africa - Portugal market, having changed schedules to connect easily through LAD, and pricing very good... A year ago, TAAG operated 4 weekly LAD-JNB (772/773) and 3 weekly LAD-CPT (mostly 737-700)...by the end of this year TAAG will be daily on both routes with mix 772/773.

LIS-JNB might still happen though eventually again, a 3 weekly A330-200 rotation should be sufficient, and rightfully said money to be made in the US...even more so then for TAP to make money actually on US-South Africa route...connecting through LIS with a reasonably short layover could make it one of the quickest 1-stop options...as big chunk of travellers go via Europe/UK anyway.
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:47 am

I reckon LFW is due to ASKY's hub. ASKY connects many "odd" African destinations from LFW.
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Fri Mar 31, 2017 12:41 pm

grjplanes wrote:
LIS-JNB might still happen though eventually again, a 3 weekly A330-200 rotation should be sufficient, and rightfully said money to be made in the US...even more so then for TAP to make money actually on US-South Africa route...connecting through LIS with a reasonably short layover could make it one of the quickest 1-stop options...as big chunk of travellers go via Europe/UK anyway.

LIS would indeed make a good hub for U.S.-S.A. but the problem is the same that most European hubs have. Flights from the U.S. arrive early in the morning and flights to S.Africa, and Africa in general depart at night, making for a very long layover. And from within Europe, the big markets are already served with multiple daily non-stop flights, leaving only the price conscious passenger to connect via LIS. Not saying that's all bad but it's not the best scenario either.
Personally I think that when the A321LR arrives, TP should re-arrange it's Africa departures bank and start an evening connecting bank at LIS for flight from the U.S. I think that BOS/NYC/YYZ could easily handle an additional early morning departure and late evening arrival in LIS which could connect to late night departures to Africa and even some late European departures. For example, an 8AM departure from BOS/YYZ/EWR would get into LIS around 7:30-8PM.
SCQ83 wrote:
I reckon LFW is due to ASKY's hub. ASKY connects many "odd" African destinations from LFW.

As I understand it, ASKY is a subsidiary of ET and operates flights for ET so essentially LFW could become the *A hub in West Africa that *A is missing. It also helps that LFW has just opened a brand new modern terminal
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:11 am

TAP has just announced the new London City route for the W17 season, which will be the third London airport served by the company after LHR and LGW. :bigthumbsup:
LIS-LCY will start from 29 October in TAP Express E190 aircraft with 2 daily departures during the week and a single daily departure on weekends.
From Monday to Friday LIS departures are at 6h50 and 16h45, with LCY departures at 10h00 and 19h55. Saturdays see only the morning return flights while Sundays have the afternoon return flights instead, all on the same schedule as during the week. These seem very appropriate timetables for business travelers.
This announcement comes at a time when the company is boosting a 1Q 20% growth on passenger numbers for its current London frequencies, with a A330 beeing frequently used on one of the daily LIS-LHR rotations. 8-)
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:17 pm

LXwing wrote:
TAP has just announced the new London City route for the W17 season, which will be the third London airport served by the company after LHR and LGW. :bigthumbsup:

Great addition, IMO. I hope it sticks.
In other threads I've been suggesting that TP should replace 1 or 2 of their LHR frequencies with a LCY frequency and then lease out their slots to B6. Maybe, just maybe I'm not too far off :o
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:45 pm

airbazar wrote:
LXwing wrote:
TAP has just announced the new London City route for the W17 season, which will be the third London airport served by the company after LHR and LGW. :bigthumbsup:

Great addition, IMO. I hope it sticks.
In other threads I've been suggesting that TP should replace 1 or 2 of their LHR frequencies with a LCY frequency and then lease out their slots to B6. Maybe, just maybe I'm not too far off :o

Given the current growth of the London passenger numbers, I don't think that TAP will want to free any of its LHR slots, even considering the added capacity to LCY. Anyway, there's been no talk at all about leasing slots to B6, so I´d be very surprised if that would happen.
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:50 pm

LXwing wrote:
LIS-LCY will start from 29 October in TAP Express E190 aircraft with 2 daily departures during the week and a single daily departure on weekends.
From Monday to Friday LIS departures are at 6h50 and 16h45, with LCY departures at 10h00 and 19h55. Saturdays see only the morning return flights while Sundays have the afternoon return flights instead, all on the same schedule as during the week. These seem very appropriate timetables for business travelers.


Contrary to common belief, LCY is not only business travellers. And those timings seem very optimised for long-haul flights.

Given that London has probably the most non-stop destinations in the world, a lot of people mind "less" connecting somewhere else if they start / end their journey in a more convenient LCY, so even if they waste time connecting in Lisbon, they "save" time and hassle flying from a more central and smaller airport than Heathrow or Gatwick.

So LCY-LIS-GIG or whatever LCY-LIS-XXX will be more appealing for many people than LHR-LIS-XXX or LHR-MAD-XXX.
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:26 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
LXwing wrote:
LIS-LCY will start from 29 October in TAP Express E190 aircraft with 2 daily departures during the week and a single daily departure on weekends.
From Monday to Friday LIS departures are at 6h50 and 16h45, with LCY departures at 10h00 and 19h55. Saturdays see only the morning return flights while Sundays have the afternoon return flights instead, all on the same schedule as during the week. These seem very appropriate timetables for business travelers.


Contrary to common belief, LCY is not only business travellers. And those timings seem very optimised for long-haul flights.

Given that London has probably the most non-stop destinations in the world, a lot of people mind "less" connecting somewhere else if they start / end their journey in a more convenient LCY, so even if they waste time connecting in Lisbon, they "save" time and hassle flying from a more central and smaller airport than Heathrow or Gatwick.

So LCY-LIS-GIG or whatever LCY-LIS-XXX will be more appealing for many people than LHR-LIS-XXX or LHR-MAD-XXX.

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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:44 pm

LXwing wrote:
This announcement comes at a time when the company is boosting a 1Q 20% growth on passenger numbers for its current London frequencies, with a A330 beeing frequently used on one of the daily LIS-LHR rotations.

Correction: The 1Q passenger growth for London is of 43% :o and not 20% as I mentioned before. Those 20% are for load factor increase, thus the need for frequent use of a A330 rotation 8-)
TAP currently has 49 weekly flights to London including the frequencies from OPO, and will have 61 weekly flights with the start of the LCY route. :)
Edit: LIS-LCY flights are already on sale from 35 euros per sector. :biggrin:
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:59 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
Contrary to common belief, LCY is not only business travellers. And those timings seem very optimised for long-haul flights.
[...]
So LCY-LIS-GIG or whatever LCY-LIS-XXX will be more appealing for many people than LHR-LIS-XXX or LHR-MAD-XXX.


The schedule is totally optimized for LIS originating passengers. Anything extra is just a bonus. A 6:05am departure from LIS does not allow for any connections at all, and with most TATL and Africa flights arriving in the 5:30a-7a window, the 16:45 departure from LIS makes for a very long layover.
Then you look at the weekend schedule and it's even more obvious that it is made for LIS originating passengers who want to take a weekend or Sunday trip to London. The departures changes from 6:05a to 6:50a, and the aircraft sits in LCY all day on Sunday for a 19:55 return departure back to LIS. This Sunday rotation should probably be marketed as the "London shopping shuttle" :)
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:06 pm

airbazar wrote:
..the aircraft sits in LCY all day on Sunday for a 19:55 return departure back to LIS. This Sunday rotation should probably be marketed as the "London shopping shuttle" :)


Are you sure about that, LCY is closed on Sunday mornings.
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:13 pm

It does not stay all day in LCY:

TP344 LIS0700 – 0940LCY E90 x7
TP349 LCY1020 – 1255LIS E90 x7

TP346 LIS1630 – 1910LCY E90 x6
TP347 LCY1950 – 2225LIS E90 x6
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:43 pm

airbazar wrote:
SCQ83 wrote:
Contrary to common belief, LCY is not only business travellers. And those timings seem very optimised for long-haul flights.
[...]
So LCY-LIS-GIG or whatever LCY-LIS-XXX will be more appealing for many people than LHR-LIS-XXX or LHR-MAD-XXX.


The schedule is totally optimized for LIS originating passengers. Anything extra is just a bonus. A 6:05am departure from LIS does not allow for any connections at all, and with most TATL and Africa flights arriving in the 5:30a-7a window, the 16:45 departure from LIS makes for a very long layover.
Then you look at the weekend schedule and it's even more obvious that it is made for LIS originating passengers who want to take a weekend or Sunday trip to London. The departures changes from 6:05a to 6:50a, and the aircraft sits in LCY all day on Sunday for a 19:55 return departure back to LIS. This Sunday rotation should probably be marketed as the "London shopping shuttle" :)




This is not all correct!
LCY is closed for 24h over the weekend because of curfews, hence only 1 rotation per day on the weekends.
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:30 pm

airbazar wrote:
SCQ83 wrote:
Contrary to common belief, LCY is not only business travellers. And those timings seem very optimised for long-haul flights.
[...]
So LCY-LIS-GIG or whatever LCY-LIS-XXX will be more appealing for many people than LHR-LIS-XXX or LHR-MAD-XXX.


The schedule is totally optimized for LIS originating passengers. Anything extra is just a bonus. A 6:05am departure from LIS does not allow for any connections at all, and with most TATL and Africa flights arriving in the 5:30a-7a window, the 16:45 departure from LIS makes for a very long layover.


Not entirely so. The scheduled departure of the morning LIS-LCY flight is 6:50. On a very quick search, until 5:55 there are scheduled TAP arrivals to LIS from MIA, GRU, GIG, BOS and EWR. At 6:05 there are additional arrivals from CNF and BSB. Any connection will be very short but maybe still possible (depending on imigration clearance I guess) as the airport terminal is not that big. These TATL flights mostly arrive on time or in a small advance, thus easing connections.
In the opposite direction, the arrival from LCY at 12:55 allows for connection to all TATL afternoon flights while the arrival at 22:25 allows for connection to the evening GRU and GIG flights.
Only the African destinations have no easy connections. All in all, the schedule is far from perfect but not that bad either, while beeing more convenient for LIS originating pax.
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:39 pm

Maybe TAP is trying to catch MAD-LCY traffic due to BA's drop of the route.
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:21 pm

LXwing wrote:
airbazar wrote:
The schedule is totally optimized for LIS originating passengers. Anything extra is just a bonus. A 6:05am departure from LIS does not allow for any connections at all, and with most TATL and Africa flights arriving in the 5:30a-7a window, the 16:45 departure from LIS makes for a very long layover.


Not entirely so. The scheduled departure of the morning LIS-LCY flight is 6:50. On a very quick search, until 5:55 there are scheduled TAP arrivals to LIS from MIA, GRU, GIG, BOS and EWR. At 6:05 there are additional arrivals from CNF and BSB. Any connection will be very short but maybe still possible (depending on imigration clearance I guess) as the airport terminal is not that big. These TATL flights mostly arrive on time or in a small advance, thus easing connections.
In the opposite direction, the arrival from LCY at 12:55 allows for connection to all TATL afternoon flights while the arrival at 22:25 allows for connection to the evening GRU and GIG flights.
Only the African destinations have no easy connections. All in all, the schedule is far from perfect but not that bad either, while beeing more convenient for LIS originating pax.

I was going by this news article which says the departure from LIS is a 6:05 M-F, 6:50 on Sat, and 6:45 on Sun.
https://www.dinheirovivo.pt/empresas/ta ... m-londres/

If the departure is 6:50 M-F then MIA/BOS/EWR/GIG/GRU look very doable.

However in the other direction, it misses all U.S. connections which is bad since IMO, those are the markets that are more likely to have passengers to LCY.
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:57 pm

Luisvalero wrote:
Maybe TAP is trying to catch MAD-LCY traffic due to BA's drop of the route.


Would be good to see Air Nostrum operate MAD-LCY with the ATR-72, to replace the BA service.
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:03 pm

airbazar wrote:
However in the other direction, it misses all U.S. connections which is bad since IMO, those are the markets that are more likely to have passengers to LCY.

Misses all but the JFK departure at 17:00. EWR, BOS and MIA require overnight in LIS, same as CNF, BSB and POA.
This is where the Stopover program might come in handy. :-)
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:36 pm

Luisvalero wrote:
Maybe TAP is trying to catch MAD-LCY traffic due to BA's drop of the route.

I doubt that such a backtracking routing could be competitive other than on price when compared with say KLM or LX. :scratchchin:
Then again, who knows? The fact is that TAP 1Q pax to Spain are up by 62%, with 88% for MAD alone :o so anything can happen! :lol:
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:02 pm

To revive an old topic and fulfill its title, here's the latest (and 11th) TAP's new route for 2017. It's not officially announced yet but the source leaves little doubt that it's bound to happen. :)
It's not Florence as was somewhat expected, but instead Fez in Morocco! :o
It seems Moroccan operations are going very well for TAP. 8-)

TAP Portugal in winter 2017/18 plans to offer new route to Morocco, as the Star Alliance member filed operational schedule for Lisbon – Fez route in OAG Schedules Analyser. Proposed schedule sees ATR72 aircraft operating 6 times a week from 29OCT17, increasing to daily from 25MAR18. Reservation for this route is not available at present time.

TP1424 LIS1400 – 1555FEZ AT7 x7
TP1425 FEZ1635 – 1840LIS AT7 x7

Source: http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... ce-in-w17/
 
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Re: TAP to launch 11 new routes in 2017

Fri Aug 18, 2017 5:29 pm

It's a shame that only Marrakech offers good connections to JFK and YYZ. Imagine how much better it would be if all Moroccan routes could connect to all N.American routes, especially the anticipated YUL route.

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