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Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:29 pm

Hello, hurricane Matthew seems to be quite strong and to be moving from the Caribbean, possibly along the East Coast. Delta has already set up a ticket change policy for the Caribbean and Florida (https://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US ... tthew.html). I suppose other airlines are acting accordingly. Has anyone heard of further cancellations and disruptions coming up? It looks like Matthew could hit the busier Northern part of the East Coast this weekend.
 
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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:49 pm

Almost everything at PAP was cancelled today and looks like tomorrow too. Except for Air France (EDIT: nevermind. they're heading to MIA): https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/af618
PLS was all cancelled today. Evening cancellations tonight at NAS and FPO. KIN and MBJ seem to be back to normal in the last few hours.

Florida airports have another day to see how things look.
 
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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:34 pm

303dk wrote:
Florida airports have another day to see how things look.

I have not looked at the latest indications of the path of Matthew but earlier today they were only indicating 1"-3" of rain in MIA and less than tropical storm winds <35mph.
Depending on lightning and the airlines operation procedures other than deviating around the hurricane from the east and northeast one would think MIA would be open.

However, my guess is that most airlines will curtail flights just to keep crews where they can be available when they can restart operations. There may be some international flights that make it to MIA with many onward domestic flights cancelled.

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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Tue Oct 04, 2016 11:32 pm

I'm on the morning BA flight from Boston to Heathrow (787-9) on Monday. I'm less concerned about that than I am about the plane getting into Logan the night before.
 
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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:43 am

Yup. I am concerned about my LHR-JFK flight on Sunday Oct 9, VS 45.
 
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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:51 am

Flying out Friday night to LHR from JFK. Hoping no issues. Watching this closely, though it looks like the storm effects won't be felt in the area until late Saturday into Sunday, depending on the track.
 
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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Wed Oct 05, 2016 1:58 am

I'm flying from Denver to Atlanta and then to Fort Lauderdale. I'm thinking that Atlanta could be rather chaotic on Friday afternoon when Matthew is offshore of the SC-GA border.
 
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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Wed Oct 05, 2016 2:13 am

flying myr-atl-hou tommorow, 2 hours plus trying to get through on delta customer service.... It's going to be a long couple a days for delta and AA
 
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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:03 am

AA Cancellations for tomorrow as of this evening (11:50PM) for 10-04-16:

MIA-NAS / 6x Daily: Cancelled
MIA-FPO / 2x Daily: Cancelled
MIA-PLS / 10AM Cancelled
MIA-PAP / 3x Daily: Cancelled
MIA-HOG / 2x Daily: Cancelled
MIA-CMW / 1x Daily: Cancelled
FLL-PAP / 2x Daily: Cancelled
CLT-NAS /1x Daily: Cancelled

Expect more cancellations as the day progresses tomorrow! I am a flight attendant with American Eagle (YX E175 crew) and we received notification already of operational changes due to the storm. Expect MIA, FLL, PBI, MCO, JAX, SAV, CHS, ILM etc. to be directly affected in the coming days in some form by the storm.

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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Wed Oct 05, 2016 3:06 pm

It seems that this one is moving East, so the impact for now will not be felt too badly North of North Carolina. But this can still change.
 
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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Wed Oct 05, 2016 3:54 pm

Curiousflyer wrote:
It seems that this one is moving East, so the impact for now will not be felt too badly North of North Carolina. But this can still change.


Agreed, need to keep on eye as the track keeps changing. It could return to a Northeast bound track. And one or two models even heave it looping back toward Florida. It keeps changing though so difficult to know.

Latest track (11am ET Wednesday) has it moving gradually closer to Florida than before. I expect we may see AA clearing out MIA if that westward shift continues.
 
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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Wed Oct 05, 2016 6:08 pm

I'm flying Spirit FLL-ACY Friday afternoon. Hoping that things clear up by then.
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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Wed Oct 05, 2016 6:15 pm

At 2:12pm Wednesday, Flightaware is indicating the following cancelations for tomorrow (Thursday 10/6)

MIA: 106 flights (24% of flights) canceled
FLL 45 flights (15%) canceled
MCO 30 (8%) canceled
PBI 9 (14%) canceled

I expect these numbers will likely rise.
 
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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Wed Oct 05, 2016 6:18 pm

NAS and FPO are in the direct path of this monster and they will be very lucky if they are able to resume normalcy by Friday. This thing is aimed directly at both of them, and although it weakened a little when it struck eastern Cuba, it is beginning to pick up steam again and should be a Category 4 by evening. Based on it's current trajectory, it will hit Cape Canaveral head on before pushing back out to sea.
 
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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Wed Oct 05, 2016 6:39 pm

ty97 wrote:
At 2:12pm Wednesday, Flightaware is indicating the following cancelations for tomorrow (Thursday 10/6)

MIA: 106 flights (24% of flights) canceled
FLL 45 flights (15%) canceled
MCO 30 (8%) canceled
PBI 9 (14%) canceled

I expect these numbers will likely rise.


And for Friday, 10/7:
MCO 69 (19%) canceled
JAX 12 (14%) canceled
plus spotty cancelations elsewhere.

As of 2:37pm Wednesday.
 
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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Wed Oct 05, 2016 7:08 pm

I'm supposed to fly into TPA on WN Friday morning, about the same time that the center of the storm is supposed to be due east. Will TPA likely be spared of any major cancellations? I'm guessing I should probably be prepared for a bumpy flight.
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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Wed Oct 05, 2016 7:12 pm

ty97 wrote:
Curiousflyer wrote:
It seems that this one is moving East, so the impact for now will not be felt too badly North of North Carolina. But this can still change.


Agreed, need to keep on eye as the track keeps changing. It could return to a Northeast bound track. And one or two models even heave it looping back toward Florida. It keeps changing though so difficult to know.

Latest track (11am ET Wednesday) has it moving gradually closer to Florida than before. I expect we may see AA clearing out MIA if that westward shift continues.
Curiousflyer wrote:
It seems that this one is moving East, so the impact for now will not be felt too badly North of North Carolina. But this can still change.


chrisnh wrote:
I'm on the morning BA flight from Boston to Heathrow (787-9) on Monday. I'm less concerned about that than I am about the plane getting into Logan the night before.
Curiousflyer wrote:
Yup. I am concerned about my LHR-JFK flight on Sunday Oct 9, VS 45.


Current prognosis charts are showing a big old High Pressure bubble coming down from the Great Lakes over the weekend and settling over Virginia Monday and then NC by Wednesday keeping it pushed off shore. I don't think it will mess with the Northeast at all this round.

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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Wed Oct 05, 2016 7:49 pm

mke717spotter wrote:
I'm supposed to fly into TPA on WN Friday morning, about the same time that the center of the storm is supposed to be due east. Will TPA likely be spared of any major cancellations? I'm guessing I should probably be prepared for a bumpy flight.


You should be fine. Depending on the track some wind. Little to no rain. Probably won't even be bumpy.
 
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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:27 pm

piedmontf284000 wrote:
NAS and FPO are in the direct path of this monster and they will be very lucky if they are able to resume normalcy by Friday. This thing is aimed directly at both of them, and although it weakened a little when it struck eastern Cuba, it is beginning to pick up steam again and should be a Category 4 by evening. Based on it's current trajectory, it will hit Cape Canaveral head on before pushing back out to sea.


If the 720 hour projection is close to accurate, they may stay closed: http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/storminf ... latest.png
 
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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:35 pm

Big jump in cancellations for tomorrow:
MIA 449
FLL 131
MCO 118
PBI 39
TPA 13
EYW 11
JAX 9
 
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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:35 pm

AA just cancelled all flights in several Southwest FL airports.

http://www.local10.com/travel/american- ... a-airports
 
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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:40 pm

AA is flying out of MIA before noon on Thursday - for instance MIA-BOG (AA913) is scheduled to leave at 10:02am, but the return flight BOG-MIA (AA916) which returns at 635pm has been cancelled. The southbound AA915 to BOG (6pm departure, which usually returns the next morning as AA1130) has been cancelled, thus leaving AA913 spending the afternoon/evening and overnight parked at BOG where it will start its day fresh on Friday. On the other hand MIA-BAQ-MIA (flights 4693 and 4694) have both been cancelled, as the crew never would/could have overnighted in BAQ. Likely many flights will dead-head out Thursday morning and come back Friday after the storm passes
 
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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:46 pm

I heard on CNBC that AA is cancelling all arrivals to MIA, FLL, and PBI on Thursday, and all departures out of those three airports are cancelled as of noon tomorrow.
 
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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:48 pm

What's the procedure for protecting assets? Do all aircraft leave those airports? It sounds like the morning departures from MIA are still on with all the returns cancelled, but what about remaining aircraft?
 
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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:55 pm

303dk wrote:
What's the procedure for protecting assets? Do all aircraft leave those airports? It sounds like the morning departures from MIA are still on with all the returns cancelled, but what about remaining aircraft?


I wondered the same. I thought I remembered when Houston was hit by Hurricane IKE that UA or WN flew aircraft out to different locations. Just don't remember who.
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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:05 pm

indcwby wrote:
303dk wrote:
What's the procedure for protecting assets? Do all aircraft leave those airports? It sounds like the morning departures from MIA are still on with all the returns cancelled, but what about remaining aircraft?


I wondered the same. I thought I remembered when Houston was hit by Hurricane IKE that UA or WN flew aircraft out to different locations. Just don't remember who.


I imagine there are also issues with airports having room for extra idle aircraft. For example, AA943, 2499, and 1611 are all still showing on time, with the 3 return flights cancelled. Where does STT park 3 extra 737s?
 
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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:10 pm

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AA just cancelled all flights in several Southwest FL airports.

http://www.local10.com/travel/american- ... a-airports


I'm booked on DFW-MIA-PLS tomorrow morning for my brother's wedding (Saturday). All DFW-MIA legs after mine are cancelled, and my MIA-PLS leg is sandwiched between two cancelled flights, but both of my flights still aren't showing as "cancelled." Holding onto the smallest sliver of hope.

Hope my brother is prepared to get married without his best man...
 
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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:13 pm

Curiousflyer wrote:
Yup. I am concerned about my LHR-JFK flight on Sunday Oct 9, VS 45.


Looks like they've cancelled their LHR-MIA service for tomorrow, quick flight status check on the Virgin shows its a no go
 
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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:14 pm

campellochris wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
AA just cancelled all flights in several Southwest FL airports.

http://www.local10.com/travel/american- ... a-airports


I'm booked on DFW-MIA-PLS tomorrow morning for my brother's wedding (Saturday). All DFW-MIA legs after mine are cancelled, and my MIA-PLS leg is sandwiched between two cancelled flights, but both of my flights still aren't showing as "cancelled." Holding onto the smallest sliver of hope.

Hope my brother is prepared to get married without his best man...


Fees are waived. Switch it to DFW-CLT-PLS
 
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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:21 pm

303dk wrote:
campellochris wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
AA just cancelled all flights in several Southwest FL airports.

http://www.local10.com/travel/american- ... a-airports


I'm booked on DFW-MIA-PLS tomorrow morning for my brother's wedding (Saturday). All DFW-MIA legs after mine are cancelled, and my MIA-PLS leg is sandwiched between two cancelled flights, but both of my flights still aren't showing as "cancelled." Holding onto the smallest sliver of hope.

Hope my brother is prepared to get married without his best man...


Fees are waived. Switch it to DFW-CLT-PLS


Spoke to AA reservations. Might be because I booked the MIA-PLS segment separate from DFW-MIA, but the CSR advised me I can't change the cities I'm flying to/from, so I can't get rerouted through CLT. Earliest flight I can be rebooked on in Sunday. Really wish I bought trip insurance for the $1000 hotel stay.
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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Wed Oct 05, 2016 10:04 pm

Most of the USAF bases have moved most of their planes to Barksdale, (KBAD). Here is a quick story from KSLA.com here in Shreveport.

Barksdale Air Force Base is being used as a safe haven for hundreds of airmen and a large contingent of aircraft seeking refuge from the East Coast.

F-15 Strike Eagles, F-16 Fighting Falcons, C-17 Globemaster IIIs and KC-135 Stratotankers are being moved to the local base to escape the threat of high winds associated with Hurricane Matthew.

The aircrew and their fighter, cargo and air refueler aircraft are from the 4th and 20th Fighter, the 437th Airlift and the 916th Air Refueling wings.

They began arriving today from Shaw Air Force and Charleston Air Force bases in South Carolina and Seymour Johnson Air Force Base in North Carolina and are expected to share space on Barksdale's flight line through the weekend.

"Our team here at Barksdale Air Force Base is happy to provide refuge to our East Coast warriors," said Col. Ty Neuman, 2nd Bomb Wing commander. "We are once again well-equipped and ready to welcome airmen and aircraft as they out-fly an impending hurricane."

Airmen throughout 2nd Bomb Wing's maintenance, operations, support and logistics units are working to make the visit as seamless as possible and to demonstrate Barksdale’s ability to be generous hosts for this large-scale movement, base officials said.

Barksdale isn't the only Air Force base being used as a safe haven. Among others is Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio.

Such relocations of airmen and their aircraft are routine precautions for military installations to ensure the safety and security of high-value assets, military officials said.

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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Wed Oct 05, 2016 10:11 pm

I'm flying IAD-KEF-LHR on Thursday. I was worried that the hurricane would reach northern Virginia by then, But luckily it won't.

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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Wed Oct 05, 2016 10:12 pm

I'm flying IAD-KEF-LHR on Thursday. I was worried that the hurricane would reach northern Virginia by then, but luckily it won't.

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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Wed Oct 05, 2016 10:12 pm

303dk wrote:
campellochris wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
AA just cancelled all flights in several Southwest FL airports.

http://www.local10.com/travel/american- ... a-airports


I'm booked on DFW-MIA-PLS tomorrow morning for my brother's wedding (Saturday). All DFW-MIA legs after mine are cancelled, and my MIA-PLS leg is sandwiched between two cancelled flights, but both of my flights still aren't showing as "cancelled." Holding onto the smallest sliver of hope.

Hope my brother is prepared to get married without his best man...


Fees are waived. Switch it to DFW-CLT-PLS


Ditto, don't chance MIA tomorrow. Connect elsewhere,especially for something as important as a wedding!
 
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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Wed Oct 05, 2016 10:51 pm

As an unaffected observer, I'm glad to see all the helpful advise being dispatched here!
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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Thu Oct 06, 2016 1:19 am

TVNWZ wrote:
mke717spotter wrote:
I'm supposed to fly into TPA on WN Friday morning, about the same time that the center of the storm is supposed to be due east. Will TPA likely be spared of any major cancellations? I'm guessing I should probably be prepared for a bumpy flight.


You should be fine. Depending on the track some wind. Little to no rain. Probably won't even be bumpy.

Well I just got home from work and my dad told me he got notified that the flight is cancelled. I guess the trip is off!
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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Thu Oct 06, 2016 3:17 am

Delta has one hub and American has two hubs in the path. This has to effect them.
 
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Thu Oct 06, 2016 3:24 am

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Delta has one hub and American has two hubs in the path. This has to effect them.


It has already impacted AA's MIA hub as posted above. It will also have impact on MCO which, while not a hub, is a focus city for lots of airlines.

Impact to ATL (DL) and CLT (AA), both of which are inland, is TBD based on actual storm path.
 
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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Thu Oct 06, 2016 3:27 am

Seems most airlines are departing out of MIA FLL and PBI until late morning. Then all operations are shut down until Friday morning.
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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Thu Oct 06, 2016 4:35 am

BA have cancelled all flights Thursday LHR-MIA. LGW-MCO and TPA are okay.
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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Thu Oct 06, 2016 5:23 am

Beatyair wrote:
Delta has one hub and American has two hubs in the path. This has to effect them.

Unless it takes a really weird turn it shouldn't have much effect on Atlanta. The "at worst" I have see is 50% chance of rain on Friday.
 
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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Thu Oct 06, 2016 5:55 am

I understand the direct impact to flights within the affected area. I'm a little more curious about the affects to the overall network. We all know that a plane doesn't fly a single route, instead it tends to traverse several hubs and routes throughout a single day. What is the cancellation percentage across the networks of the affected airlines? How long do you estimate it will take for them to get back on schedule? I ask as an interested observer, a former UA gate agent, and someone who will be flying on 10/10.
 
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Thu Oct 06, 2016 6:05 am

I was booked on CPH-MIA, have now been changed to CPH-IAD-TPA instead !
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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Thu Oct 06, 2016 6:25 am

Seeing a meteorological situation like this one is affecting at least one carrier in a major way (AA) just to cite one example, do insurance exist for these type of situations? And if it does, do carriers use it? Or does this once in a while situation falls under "act of God" and as such no coverage exists?
 
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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Thu Oct 06, 2016 6:41 am

I see that Sanford airport is shutting down from 10am today, no domestic traffic, a few International arrivals allowed until 6.30pm.
http://www.orlandosanfordairport.com/
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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Thu Oct 06, 2016 7:52 am

Beatyair wrote:
Delta has one hub and American has two hubs in the path. This has to effect them.



Which of Delta's hubs is in the path of the storm? This shouldn't have to much of an affect on DL operations. Matthew will affect AA and B6 the most. The one airline you didn't mention was JetBlue. While not as big in FLL as they are in JFK/BOS. they still have a sizeable operation there. I believe I read that FLL will be closed as of 10:00 AM Thursday morning.
 
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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Thu Oct 06, 2016 12:59 pm

jumbojet wrote:
Beatyair wrote:
Delta has one hub and American has two hubs in the path. This has to effect them.



Which of Delta's hubs is in the path of the storm? This shouldn't have to much of an affect on DL operations. Matthew will affect AA and B6 the most. The one airline you didn't mention was JetBlue. While not as big in FLL as they are in JFK/BOS. they still have a sizeable operation there. I believe I read that FLL will be closed as of 10:00 AM Thursday morning.


The closing time for FLL is listed on the Faa site as 10:30am
 
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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Thu Oct 06, 2016 1:06 pm

Looks like WN is the only one still going in. B6 is ferrying out aircraft to other Florida airports out of the hurricanes path.

JBU6108 - Sarasota
JBU6115 - Tampa
JBU6113 - Tampa
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Re: Hurricane Matthew's Impact on Flight Operations

Thu Oct 06, 2016 1:19 pm

Is RSW going to be affected by the hurricane?
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