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American A350 Routes

Thu Oct 06, 2016 10:44 am

When they take delivery of them, what routes can we expect AA to deploy the A350 on?
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Re: American A350 Routes

Thu Oct 06, 2016 2:26 pm

I hope A350 would be used to open some thinner routes in Asia, increasing relatively AA's weak presence in the region, may be opening routes like DFW-TPE or MIA-NRT, etc.
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Re: American A350 Routes

Thu Oct 06, 2016 3:11 pm

Part of me wouldn't be surprised if the new A350s saw a lot of action out of PHL and CLT, the former US hubs that already see a lot of Airbus heavies. Nothing factual backing that up, just a slightly educated guess
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Re: American A350 Routes

Thu Oct 06, 2016 3:25 pm

raylee67 wrote:
I hope A350 would be used to open some thinner routes in Asia, increasing relatively AA's weak presence in the region, may be opening routes like DFW-TPE or MIA-NRT, etc.


Those are good guesses, although in the case of DFW-TPE I'd assume it would start with the 788 (if it ever does) as TPE certainly couldn't have more demand than DFW-PVG/PEK, could it?

I would assume the longer 77E routes to take advantage of the lower fuel burn over a longer distance.
 
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Re: American A350 Routes

Thu Oct 06, 2016 3:26 pm

I have no doubt in my mind it will be a MIA route. I can see MIA-NRT or MIA-SYD, something to show off it's range.
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Re: American A350 Routes

Thu Oct 06, 2016 3:47 pm

aviationjunky wrote:
I have no doubt in my mind it will be a MIA route. I can see MIA-NRT or MIA-SYD, something to show off it's range.


While it could very well be a MIA route, I doubt it will be either of those. JL, ANA, and AA all have the aircraft today to operate MIA-NRT and they aren't, I am starting to think that this route isn't as important as people on A.NET make it seem (its only 6500nm, less than LAX-SYD).

As for MIA-SYD, that is one long route at over 8000nm, and with the detour likely needed for ETOPS(the route goes through the last remaining ETOPS hole) makes this extremely unlikely when any connection MIA can make, DFW can make better.

If we are talking about an Ultra-long range route out of MIA, I would guess MIA-JNB would be more likely, though even that route doesn't scream underserved.

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I would assume the longer 77E routes to take advantage of the lower fuel burn over a longer distance.


This seems like the most plausible option, especially looking at how AA has scheduled their 789.
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Re: American A350 Routes

Thu Oct 06, 2016 4:33 pm

Could it be possible that they will announce new routes for the A350? I know with alot of special aircrafts, airlines often offer new special routes just for that aircraft. Could there potentially be a new route that AA could fly? LAX-DXB maybe? Something out of the ordinary. Plus it would be their first flight into the UAE, and I'm sure there is plenty of passenger traffic. With the only major competitor being EK, I could see them starting it. Since their OneWorld partner EY pulled out of DXB, it would make sense to start it up again. And why not do it with a brand new aircraft?
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Re: American A350 Routes

Thu Oct 06, 2016 4:47 pm

lot of pipe dreams in this thread

only one with a remote chance of happening is DFW-TPE, but they'll have to launch LAX-TPE first.

also: MIA-NRT is the ultimate a net fantasy. the likelihood of a route like that is extremely slim.
 
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Re: American A350 Routes

Thu Oct 06, 2016 5:20 pm

BWIAirport wrote:
Part of me wouldn't be surprised if the new A350s saw a lot of action out of PHL and CLT, the former US hubs that already see a lot of Airbus heavies. Nothing factual backing that up, just a slightly educated guess

That's not unreasonable, considering that those are the hubs they were originally purchased by US to op out of in the first place. Whether the merged carrier will adhere to that, is of course anyone's guess.


mpdpilot wrote:
I doubt it will be either of those. JL, ANA, and AA all have the aircraft today to operate MIA-NRT and they aren't, I am starting to think that this route isn't as important as people on A.NET make it seem (its only 6500nm, less than LAX-SYD).

Thank youuuu.

AA had the aircraft to operate this route 17yrs ago, if it really meant that much to them. They haven't.
The Japanese have had even smaller aircraft capable of flying it, for almost half a decade. They haven't.


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I would guess MIA-JNB would be more likely, though even that route doesn't scream underserved.

IINM, MIA has an even larger South African diaspora than NYC, and SA has served both MIA and FLL in the past.
So there's definitely a market. Whether it's sufficient to support a nonstop, in the face of competition from DL and SA, is another matter.
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Re: American A350 Routes

Thu Oct 06, 2016 5:27 pm

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only one with a remote chance of happening is DFW-TPE
Hate to break it to you but that is a pipe dream too, lol.

I doubt AA is going to do anything to significant on new routes with the A350 considering what it has on order (~45 787-8/9,A350) vs what it plans on retiring (~30 767/A333) plus what it will need to retire (~64 772,767) by 2022 unless they order more big planes.
 
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Re: American A350 Routes

Thu Oct 06, 2016 5:30 pm

787fan8 wrote:
When they take delivery of them, what routes can we expect AA to deploy the A350 on?


I'd say any route currently served by a 77E. By the time the A359's arrive in large numbers, the oldest 77E's
will be candidates for replacement.
 
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Re: American A350 Routes

Thu Oct 06, 2016 5:32 pm

I'm guessing with the Boring being based out of the LAA hubs, the Air us will remained based out of the LUS hubs? I'm assuming there will be cross-fleeting but their bases and maintenance will be CLT and PHL? Perhaps with W flights to the other hubs... I'm assuming PHX would see very little though...
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Re: American A350 Routes

Thu Oct 06, 2016 5:45 pm

aviationjunky wrote:
I have no doubt in my mind it will be a MIA route. I can see MIA-NRT or MIA-SYD, something to show off it's range.


I realize in your username you call yourself a junky, but man what are you smoking?!?!

Thanks for the laugh though :lol:
 
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Re: American A350 Routes

Thu Oct 06, 2016 6:12 pm

I can see MIA-JNB before NRT. I can't see MIA-SYD, ever.
 
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Re: American A350 Routes

Thu Oct 06, 2016 6:17 pm

Both PHL-NRT and MIA-NRT are ultimate A.net fantasies. How many times of "stay tuned" and "imminent" do we need to hear before we realize it's all a mirage ?
 
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Re: American A350 Routes

Thu Oct 06, 2016 6:17 pm

Considering they are getting rid of the A333, they may use some of these on those routes. Would make sense to me....
 
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Re: American A350 Routes

Thu Oct 06, 2016 7:12 pm

YouGeeElWhy wrote:
wenders825 wrote:
only one with a remote chance of happening is DFW-TPE
Hate to break it to you but that is a pipe dream too, lol.

I doubt AA is going to do anything to significant on new routes with the A350 considering what it has on order (~45 787-8/9,A350) vs what it plans on retiring (~30 767/A333) plus what it will need to retire (~64 772,767) by 2022 unless they order more big planes.

oh no I don't disagree. just that it's one that's actually within range and would make some economical sense (lots of good east coast connections, just like the existing DFW-Asia flights) but it'll definitely just be LAX-TPE for a good while. hopefully that route will start in 2017.

PHL-NRT is a hilarious fantasy I've read on here for years. the local market on that would be tiny, and would not have any unique connections that ORD couldn't serve. likewise, MIA has essentially no local market, and AA already served Latin America-Asia connections very well via DFW. don't ever count on either happening. I agree that the A350 will mostly go on a lot of existing routes

EDITED TO ADD: MIA-JNB also will not happen for a long time, though AA have expressed explicit interest in JNB and LOS, but the former cannot be done economically, and the latter is in a Venezuela situation.
 
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Re: American A350 Routes

Thu Oct 06, 2016 8:37 pm

aviationjunky wrote:
Could it be possible that they will announce new routes for the A350? I know with alot of special aircrafts, airlines often offer new special routes just for that aircraft.


Actually, this is quite rare. Usually, airlines introduce new aircraft types on existing routes and it takes time before new routes get introduced.

Of course, new technology aircraft open up possibilities for new routes. This is especially the case for (relatively) smaller, longer range aircraft, that allow for long, thin routes which could not be served profitabily before.

AFAIK, for the A350, the only new route launched (i.e. not served before on other metal) is BOS-DOH on QR. SIN-SFO is also a route that was launched as a result of the A350s capabilities, but UA was just a bit earlier by launching it with the (in this case, very similar) 789.

For the 787, with more copies built, there are of course routes launched that weren't served before, but most new routes were started after a couple of months in service. BOS-NRT was a route announced as launch route, but in the end (because of the 787 delays) the route was started with the 772.

Also, most new routes that saw the 787, were launched by airlines that did not operate the A332 before. For example, all the Norwegian routes, are well within the range of the 332, but they happened to choose the 787. The same goes for the MF routes out of XMN.

All in all, I don't expect much special routes from AA.
 
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Re: American A350 Routes

Thu Oct 06, 2016 8:53 pm

Joost wrote:

AFAIK, for the A350, the only new route launched (i.e. not served before on other metal) is BOS-DOH on QR. SIN-SFO is also a route that was launched as a result of the A350s capabilities, but UA was just a bit earlier by launching it with the (in this case, very similar) 789.


HKG-LGW on CX and SIN-DUS on SQ weren't flown until the A350 came along, albeit CX only stopped LGW in the early 90s.
 
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Re: American A350 Routes

Thu Oct 06, 2016 9:01 pm

Since their OneWorld partner EY pulled out of DXB, it would make sense to start it up again. And why not do it with a brand new aircraft?

EY is not part of OneWorld
 
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Re: American A350 Routes

Sat Oct 08, 2016 12:59 pm

Is it really true or rumor that AA will fly from Dallas to TPE? That would be a welcome news to plane spotters like us in Taiwan!
 
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Re: American A350 Routes

Sat Oct 08, 2016 2:02 pm

DFW - LHR for international flight training first. Cant say after that.
 
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Re: American A350 Routes

Sat Oct 08, 2016 7:01 pm

UGA777 wrote:
Considering they are getting rid of the A333, they may use some of these on those routes. Would make sense to me....

The US order at least in part envisioned replacing the A333s with these plus growth, so that's logical, especially at the start.

As by then the labor contracts and backend systems should allow better deployment of aircraft and crews around the system, not t1ied to legacy AA or US hubs, I suspect they'll be deployed wherever their seat and cargo capacity and range makes sense for the route - not on, say CLT-LHR just because they need to backfill a retiring A333 on the route. Future AA could put a 772 on that route, put the A350 on a route where it gets better economics than what's already running it, etc. It may be used to open new markets, but that probably will not be the use for the majority of them. They could decide to put a very different seat configuration on them, such as a heavy premium or heavy coach config and elect to run them on routes needing that, though this of course reduces the operational flexibility of the overall widebody fleet, and most of AA's long haul destinations do not call for a substantially different seat mix than what they have now.
 
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Re: American A350 Routes

Mon Oct 10, 2016 5:22 pm

i think long range 777-300 routes will be introduced first such as DFW-HKG or LAX-SYD.
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Re: American A350 Routes

Mon Oct 10, 2016 5:47 pm

MIA-JNB will not happen with AA. It's been said that SAA will take it when they're ready.
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Re: American A350 Routes

Mon Oct 10, 2016 5:53 pm

1. Where will the maint be done on the A350? DFW? PHL?
 
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Re: American A350 Routes

Mon Oct 10, 2016 5:58 pm

a380787 wrote:
Both PHL-NRT and MIA-NRT are ultimate A.net fantasies. How many times of "stay tuned" and "imminent" do we need to hear before we realize it's all a mirage ?

as much as everyone in PHL would love to see that it is probably a bit of a pipe dream. the aircraft could make it but there isnt demand for it......yet
 
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Re: American A350 Routes

Mon Oct 10, 2016 6:00 pm

BN727227Ultra wrote:
1. Where will the maint be done on the A350? DFW? PHL?


PHL would make sense. it has been a premier airbus MTC facility what with the 330s and 321s. but dallas would make sense too.
US Airways originally ordered the A350s but then it got pushed back since the merger. I wouldnt be surprised to see the 350 out of PHL when the order is filled. probably late 2018
 
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Re: American A350 Routes

Mon Oct 10, 2016 6:55 pm

usflyer123 wrote:
i think long range 777-300 routes will be introduced first such as DFW-HKG or LAX-SYD.

...you're probably best served to leave wittiness attempts to others.


planeboy24 wrote:
the aircraft could make it but there isnt demand for it......yet

That's been the case for decades. Doubt much will change any time soon.
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Re: American A350 Routes

Mon Oct 10, 2016 7:15 pm

flybhx764 wrote:
DFW - LHR for international flight training first. Cant say after that.


I would actually guess that the A350 joins the fleet much like the 789 and will fly DFW-LAX and back for crew familiarity and then be placed on the route that it will be operating on. I would be surprised if it went on DFW-LHR at all as I think AA is keeping that 77W for the capacity and first class cabin. Perhaps to take over the late night DFW-LHR but without the First class cabin, I would guess that it would go somewhere else.
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Re: American A350 Routes

Mon Oct 10, 2016 8:47 pm

celestar wrote:
Is it really true or rumor that AA will fly from Dallas to TPE? That would be a welcome news to plane spotters like us in Taiwan!


It would also be great news for the DFW based Texas Instrument employees.

Worked on that account couple years ago at previous employer and 3 out of 4 calls
we took from TI'ers were flights from DFW to TPE or SFO to TPE
 
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Re: American A350 Routes

Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:48 pm

DFW-TPE is as likely as ORD-ICN on AA. Just out of control rumors on anet.
 
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Re: American A350 Routes

Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:56 pm

MIA-JNB would *only* occur if they could get good payload nonstop westbound out of JNB. MIA-JNB-CPT-MIA wouldn't be all that attractive compared to both DL's nonstop to ATL or SA's nonstop to JFK.

For the A350-900, DFW-MEL is a lot more plausible (and useful) than many of the other A.net rumors. If too challenging, can always start with DFW-BNE-MEL-DFW triangle, then convert to MEL nonstop once 359HGW arrives.
 
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Re: American A350 Routes

Tue Oct 11, 2016 12:07 am

How about JFK - HKG - SYD
 
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Re: American A350 Routes

Tue Oct 11, 2016 12:23 am

clrd4t8koff wrote:
aviationjunky wrote:
I have no doubt in my mind it will be a MIA route. I can see MIA-NRT or MIA-SYD, something to show off it's range.


I realize in your username you call yourself a junky, but man what are you smoking?!?!

Thanks for the laugh though :lol:


I flew AA SYD-LAX-MIA last December. As much as I hate LAX, I welcomed the short break at LAX before heading onto MIA. And as a Sydnesider now, I am not sure why anybody would want to fly all that way to go to South Beach when Bondi, Coogee and Manly (and the many other beaches) are nearby and better (in my opinion). Now if it was a supersonic flight to where I could quickly get authentic key lime pie, I might consider it.
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Re: American A350 Routes

Tue Oct 11, 2016 12:27 am

downdata wrote:
How about JFK - HKG - SYD

Why would AA do that? HKG is not a convenient transfer point for NYC to Australia (and viceversa) passengers. It is a 3,000 mile detour vis-à-vis LAX. I guess if the price is ultra rock bottom some people would be willing to do that, but those passengers are not interesting to carriers from a revenue point of view. Another argument you might have in mind is the ability to operate HKG-SYD-HKG with fifth freedom rights... but then again, why? Why would a U.S. carrier do this? Makes no sense whatsoever. Plus, AA has great relationships with both QF and CX, but those two carriers, although <b>one</b>world partners, do not really cooperate, so this would be like a great way to piss off two of AA's most trusted partners.

AA has a lot of JFK-LAX flights, and they have plenty of service to SYD on their own metal and on their partner QF's from LAX, so getting creative with a flight like this is just inconceivable. Certainly there will be much better routes for AA to deploy the A359s than HKG-SYD.
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Re: American A350 Routes

Tue Oct 11, 2016 12:52 am

QF will do MEL-DFW with the 789, not AA.

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