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Cathay Pacific didnt serve Europe till 1980?

Mon Oct 10, 2016 1:52 am

Read this on airlineroute http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... perations/

They couldnt fly there with 707 and L1011?
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific didnt serve Europe till 1980?

Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:04 am

Hong Kong as a British colony depended on London deciding which British or Hong Kong airline flew where. BA for years was the only carrier allowed from Hong Kong to Europe, then BCal and CX were added. HKG-LON was actually considered a domestic route by the British.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific didnt serve Europe till 1980?

Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:10 am

What about Royal Brunei? did they serve London when they were under UK. their 727-100 used to flly upto Dubaii if I'm not mistaken, did it continue onwards?
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific didnt serve Europe till 1980?

Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:11 am

Royal Brunei recently celebrated 25 years of London service.
More specifically they started 1x weekly service to LGW on 21 November, 1990.
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Re: Cathay Pacific didnt serve Europe till 1980?

Mon Oct 10, 2016 5:45 am

I think they also needed a HGW RR powered 747-200 to do the route. The L1011 they had were -1, used regionally, my first flight on an L1011-1 was with CX.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific didnt serve Europe till 1980?

Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:07 am

CanadaFair wrote:
Read this on airlineroute http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... perations/

They couldnt fly there with 707 and L1011?

Yes, that is true.

The brief history is on their own website:
http://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_HK/a ... story.html

Quote from the site:
... The first Boeing 747-200 arrived in Hong Kong in mid-1979, and by the end of the year, we had applied for traffic rights to start flying to London. As more B747's joined our fleet, we expanded our services to Europe and North America...

First, they were not even given the right to fly to London when they first applied, and it takes some maneveuring for them to be given the right. And then if they use 707 or L1011 to fly to London, it would require two stops at least, which would probably not be competitive with BA's service.
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Re: Cathay Pacific didnt serve Europe till 1980?

Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:24 am

All flights in 1980 stopped between London and Hong Kong. India, Bahrain, Dubai were the usual stopover cities. Cathay flew nonstop to Gatwick when they received 747-200 with the RB211 524D4 which were capable of nonstops to both Vancouver and LGW, these were the first nonstops by a full sized 747 from Asia to Europe and North America.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific didnt serve Europe till 1980?

Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:20 pm

Prior to CX and BCal flying LGW-HKG, all BA LHR-HKG flights were 2 or 3 stops. CX wanted LON access and when their request was denied they reminded the Govt. the RR 747 engine purchase injected considerable funds into the UK economy. There may have also been a threat to boycott RR for future purchases if LON rights weren't granted. Basically, the UK Govt. was reminded in no uncertain terms that it was payback time. However, prior to 1979, all HKG rights (except the UK) were the domain of CX where they had considerable influence.

Royal Brunei's first European flights were operated with the 757. FYI the 727-100 & 727-200 were royal flight aircraft painted in RBA colours- they never flew with the airline.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific didnt serve Europe till 1980?

Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:42 pm

jfk777 wrote:
All flights in 1980 stopped between London and Hong Kong. India, Bahrain, Dubai were the usual stopover cities. Cathay flew nonstop to Gatwick when they received 747-200 with the RB211 524D4 which were capable of nonstops to both Vancouver and LGW, these were the first nonstops by a full sized 747 from Asia to Europe and North America.

Surely you must mean between Hong Kong and Europe. I'm pretty sure a lot of airlines were operating non-stop between Europe and Asia long before that. AI for sure was flying non-stop to Europe with 747's and I suspect that LH, Swissair, BOAC, KLM, all must have had routes to Asia.
And when did SQ start 747-200 service to SFO and LAX? It must have been in the late 70's to early 80's.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific didnt serve Europe till 1980?

Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:15 pm

airbazar wrote:
. And when did SQ start 747-200 service to SFO and LAX? It must have been in the late 70's to early 80's.


SIA started US passenger service in April 1979 using DC-10 to SFO via HKG and HNL.

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Though SIA did serve USA (GUM/HNL/LAX/SFO) with 707 freighters prior by the mid 1970s.

LAX pax service commenced late 1980 via Tokyo using B747.
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Re: Cathay Pacific didnt serve Europe till 1980?

Mon Oct 10, 2016 5:22 pm

What about rest of Europe, why didnt CX fly to other places there before LGW with the smaller jets?
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific didnt serve Europe till 1980?

Mon Oct 10, 2016 5:35 pm

mercure1 wrote:
LAX pax service commenced late 1980 via Tokyo using B747.

There you go. CX was not the first to fly between Asia and N.America, non-stop with 747. SQ was since CX only started in 1983.
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What about rest of Europe, why didnt CX fly to other places there before LGW with the smaller jets?

That was answered in Reply #1. I guess the British government only cared about service to/from London and not so much about the rest of Europe.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific didnt serve Europe till 1980?

Mon Oct 10, 2016 5:45 pm

airbazar wrote:
There you go. CX was not the first to fly between Asia and N.America, non-stop with 747. SQ was since CX only started in 1983.


You will find companies like JAL, Pan Am, Northwest, and maybe KAL were doing it in the 1970s.
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Re: Cathay Pacific didnt serve Europe till 1980?

Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:29 pm

jfk777 wrote:
All flights in 1980 stopped between London and Hong Kong. India, Bahrain, Dubai were the usual stopover cities. Cathay flew nonstop to Gatwick when they received 747-200 with the RB211 524D4 which were capable of nonstops to both Vancouver and LGW, these were the first nonstops by a full sized 747 from Asia to Europe and North America.


That's only true if you don't consider Japan and Korea as Asia.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific didnt serve Europe till 1980?

Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:33 pm

Yeah, I'm pretty sure ANA, JAL, SQ, KAL, or maybe even AI flew 747s to Europe.
Airports I have been to:
DFW, EWR, IAH, JFK, LAS, LGA, MCO, MIA, NRT, ORD, PHL, PHX, SEA, SLC, YTZ, YYZ
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific didnt serve Europe till 1980?

Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:36 pm

jfk777 wrote:
All flights in 1980 stopped between London and Hong Kong. India, Bahrain, Dubai were the usual stopover cities. Cathay flew nonstop to Gatwick when they received 747-200 with the RB211 524D4 which were capable of nonstops to both Vancouver and LGW, these were the first nonstops by a full sized 747 from Asia to Europe and North America.


If memory correct, when CX first started HKG-LGW in mid-1980, they stopped at Bahrain.

British Caledonian started service soon after and stopped at Dubai using their DC-10-30s. The rights for CX, B.Cal and Laker were a big political issue between the UK and the HKG colonial authorities at the time as the rights for the 3 carriers had originally been denied by the UK CAA.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific didnt serve Europe till 1980?

Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:45 pm

CanadaFair wrote:
What about Royal Brunei? did they serve London when they were under UK. their 727-100 used to flly upto Dubaii if I'm not mistaken, did it continue onwards?


At the time of the British protectorate, which lasted until 1984, Royal Brunei was flying only B732 to regional destinations, primarily Singapore ...
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific didnt serve Europe till 1980?

Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:38 pm

CanadaFair wrote:
What about Royal Brunei? did they serve London when they were under UK. their 727-100 used to flly upto Dubaii if I'm not mistaken, did it continue onwards?


That would have been 3 stops to Dubai on a 727-100

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