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Kalitta Air 747-200f

Mon Oct 10, 2016 6:27 pm

With the arrival of the 767-300F, what will happen to these venerable 747-200?

How many are left?

I know there are around 30+ in michigan at their Base that are being parted out-- wil this be enough to keep them flying?

If they have so many spare aircraft frames why are only a couple flying?

Are there any 747-400f on order?

http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Kalitta%20Air.htm claims there are 42 spare airframes used for parts!
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Mon Oct 10, 2016 6:43 pm

Flightradar24 shows 4 in fleet, Kalitta along with USAF and Rolls Royce N.A are the only remaining 742 operators in the Americas.
 
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Mon Oct 10, 2016 6:49 pm

The 742 flies the daily LAX-HNL roundtrip (which was the last 741 route before it was retired). Kalitta is adding more 744s though (just inducted an ex-KL 744BCF in the last week or so), I'd bet a well used non-nosedoor 744F is the likely replacement for the 742 once it comes time to put it out to pasture.
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:54 pm

Do they add the nose door to the BCF's or are the only ones with nose doors the purpose built 744F's etc. that have them?
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:03 pm

We are on the cusp of the Classic's retirement from commercial service!
 
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:58 pm

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Do they add the nose door to the BCF's or are the only ones with nose doors the purpose built 744F's etc. that have them?


No, nose door is factory built freighters only.

Here is one of the last times I was in Oscoda 3 years ago. There were a few more on the other ramp that you can't see.
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:26 pm

Seeing those old NW freighters brings a tear to my old eyes. Spent many hours in them flying across the Pacific.
 
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:30 pm

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Seeing those old NW freighters brings a tear to my old eyes. Spent many hours in them flying across the Pacific.


I bet. I miss the red tail...
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Tue Oct 11, 2016 12:30 am

747-200s: Three remaining, tentatively to be retired within one year. 767-300Fs are not -200 replacements, but rather for business expansion.

747-400s: 13 in the fleet, more planned but not yet official. Older BCFs will presumably replace 747-200 flying.

767-300: 2 in the fleet, more planned but not yet official.

As for all those "spares," they're not really "spares" in the operational sense, they're parts donors, all in various states of disassembly at OSC (up to and inculding completely scrapped and nowhere to be found). The remaining frames have some time left on them, but ADs and airframe fatigue create a situation where it's no longer cost-effective to keep them flying, and leasing/buying some stopgap 747-400BCFs is a better decision.

Now, what these leases are stopgap for moving forward......Is anyone's guess ;)
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Tue Oct 11, 2016 12:45 am

Of the three left, all three spent time with NW. One was delivered to NW and two were delivered to UA--two of the last classics off the line. I had fun watching N794CK down in HNL. Might be the last time I see my favorite airline of all time in the air (747 classic).
 
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:22 am

Kalitta is also severely short staffed, one pilot stated that they barely have enough to support 7 air frames. For all intents and purposes they have a new TA, which should allow them to hire new pilots at the rate they can train them.
 
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:27 am

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Kalitta is also severely short staffed, one pilot stated that they barely have enough to support 7 air frames. For all intents and purposes they have a new TA, which should allow them to hire new pilots at the rate they can train them.

And yet, we have double that operating this week. Crew sched can definitely get creative.

TA should certainly help things going forward.
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:39 am

Snapped this one in Hawaii

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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:59 am

It's to bad she is now in OSC never to fly again. Your best chance to see 793/794/795 is on the LAX-HNL run. This December Look for the classics out of MEM and some other interesting domestic stops for peak season.
 
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Tue Oct 11, 2016 12:17 pm

K4 will keep them going until they are out of engines (which they have no spares). It seems like everytime one goes into check that there is a collective sigh of relief when the boroscope comes back ok. If they have to replace one engine, then an aircraft is going to be retired. I love the classic and was pleased that I got to fly it during my time there.
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Tue Oct 11, 2016 12:37 pm

I live in central Ohio, and approach to KLCK can go right over my house. A few years ago, I heard this deep thundering rumble. Thought my furnace was imploding. But no, it was a Kalitta 742 on a very low and slow long turn to Rickenbacker. It came the next day also, a real thrill! I usually get Cathay 748's and Polar 744s and now some 777 from Emirates and Ethiopian (interestingly) with cargo ops there. But I remember the 742!
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Tue Oct 11, 2016 12:37 pm

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K4 will keep them going until they are out of engines (which they have no spares). It seems like everytime one goes into check that there is a collective sigh of relief when the boroscope comes back ok. If they have to replace one engine, then an aircraft is going to be retired. I love the classic and was pleased that I got to fly it during my time there.


Is the JT9D supply just that tight, or is Connie done with it?
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Tue Oct 11, 2016 1:21 pm

Spacepope wrote:
airtran737 wrote:
K4 will keep them going until they are out of engines (which they have no spares). It seems like everytime one goes into check that there is a collective sigh of relief when the boroscope comes back ok. If they have to replace one engine, then an aircraft is going to be retired. I love the classic and was pleased that I got to fly it during my time there.


Is the JT9D supply just that tight, or is Connie done with it?


Connie bought up every JT9 that he could, now the supply has run out. Don't discount the guys in OSC though, they can do amazing things to keep planes running.
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:37 pm

airtran737 wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
airtran737 wrote:
K4 will keep them going until they are out of engines (which they have no spares). It seems like everytime one goes into check that there is a collective sigh of relief when the boroscope comes back ok. If they have to replace one engine, then an aircraft is going to be retired. I love the classic and was pleased that I got to fly it during my time there.


Is the JT9D supply just that tight, or is Connie done with it?


Connie bought up every JT9 that he could, now the supply has run out. Don't discount the guys in OSC though, they can do amazing things to keep planes running.


Oh, not discounting them at all, I was just curious as I also envision the JT9D situation to be one of the near future issues with ATI/ABX and their 762s running for Amazon.
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Tue Oct 11, 2016 6:56 pm

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Seeing those old NW freighters brings a tear to my old eyes. Spent many hours in them flying across the Pacific.

I do not know why but it was always one of my favorite paints, simple and stood out. I also liked the livery redesign before the cargo division was scrapped.
 
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Tue Oct 11, 2016 9:34 pm

flyDTW1992 wrote:
TA should certainly help things going forward.


Until Doug takes over, then you're screwed.

airtran737 wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
airtran737 wrote:
K4 will keep them going until they are out of engines (which they have no spares). It seems like everytime one goes into check that there is a collective sigh of relief when the boroscope comes back ok. If they have to replace one engine, then an aircraft is going to be retired. I love the classic and was pleased that I got to fly it during my time there.


Is the JT9D supply just that tight, or is Connie done with it?


Connie bought up every JT9 that he could, now the supply has run out. Don't discount the guys in OSC though, they can do amazing things to keep planes running.


Yeah, OSC, the only place you could take a plane in for a "weekend B-check" and have it come out with more broke stuff than you brought it in with!
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Tue Oct 11, 2016 9:45 pm

To the best of my knowledge, there are some 748Fs sitting around Boeing field. Will Kalitta ever show interest in those?
 
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Tue Oct 11, 2016 10:16 pm

tb727 wrote:
flyDTW1992 wrote:
TA should certainly help things going forward.


Until Doug takes over, then you're screwed.

airtran737 wrote:
Spacepope wrote:

Is the JT9D supply just that tight, or is Connie done with it?


Connie bought up every JT9 that he could, now the supply has run out. Don't discount the guys in OSC though, they can do amazing things to keep planes running.


Yeah, OSC, the only place you could take a plane in for a "weekend B-check" and have it come out with more broke stuff than you brought it in with!


We all have our theories about when Doug takes over. My thoughts are that the center of power in the company will actually start to spread out to more than one individual, as that's kind of where things are going already. But who knows, maybe you're right and he'll throw a wrench in the whole pilot side of things all over again. 'Til then, I think growth is the name of the game.

As for OSC, yeah, I tend to get the feeling they're better at true heavy MX. MX control here is never happy with their line work, A checks, etc. but there aren't all too many complaints when they come out of C check or acceptance checks.
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:52 am

I've always had a fascination with Kalitta. They seem to be one of the last "cowboy" 121 carriers running old equipment and doing their own heavy MX, all to fund an expensive hobby.
 
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:55 am

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I've always had a fascination with Kalitta. They seem to be one of the last "cowboy" 121 carriers running old equipment and doing their own heavy MX, all to fund an expensive hobby.


As much as I agree Kalitta may be known as the "cowboy" of 121 I don't think they mind. Also we don't always give Connie and his company some of the respect they deserve. After Connie picked up the pieces of Kitty Hawk he and his team has created an ACMI airline that has only created money and expanded. They have found a way to make money and take a large piece of the market share using older and outdated aircraft. To land Government contracts become a successful airline for DHL and to become the go to airline for mission and trips that other airlines turn their nose to because of its logistics and difficulty does not happen by accident. It happens by hiring talented pilots / load masters / maintenance personal and an amazing operational team that never says no but how. I'ts sad to see the last 200's go, but I'm excited to see the constant investment and growth in the company. The next few years should tell a lot about the future of this company.
 
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Wed Oct 12, 2016 3:09 am

Is there some history behind Kalitta Air title style? it looks out of place on the livery.
 
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Wed Oct 12, 2016 3:13 am

It goes back to his racing past and team. Rumors are he won't budge on a 21st century livery anytime soon. So you will see the racing stripe plane or the albino white special.
 
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Wed Oct 12, 2016 4:27 am

pilotmanchee wrote:
TNST3B wrote:
I've always had a fascination with Kalitta. They seem to be one of the last "cowboy" 121 carriers running old equipment and doing their own heavy MX, all to fund an expensive hobby.


As much as I agree Kalitta may be known as the "cowboy" of 121 I don't think they mind. Also we don't always give Connie and his company some of the respect they deserve. After Connie picked up the pieces of Kitty Hawk he and his team has created an ACMI airline that has only created money and expanded. They have found a way to make money and take a large piece of the market share using older and outdated aircraft. To land Government contracts become a successful airline for DHL and to become the go to airline for mission and trips that other airlines turn their nose to because of its logistics and difficulty does not happen by accident. It happens by hiring talented pilots / load masters / maintenance personal and an amazing operational team that never says no but how. I'ts sad to see the last 200's go, but I'm excited to see the constant investment and growth in the company. The next few years should tell a lot about the future of this company.


Don't get me wrong, I admire the work that Connie has done at Kalitta and can only hope to be half as successful as he has.
 
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:42 am

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I also envision the JT9D situation to be one of the near future issues with ATI/ABX and their 762s running for Amazon.


I have enjoyed your knowledgeable posts, so I'm sure know that all of the 25-ish active ABX/ATI 762s fly the CF6. (Three-quarters of the currently-flying ABX 762s are ex-ANA conversions, and most of the rest are ex-AA.)

So I'm taking your comment to mean that the CF6-80A is rapidly approaching the same situation as the JT9D, which is interesting.

I had thought that with Aviall's recent entry into the CF6-80A replacement parts space, there was still a pretty-abundant supply of engines and necessary parts.

(It's possible you were referring to the 5 ex-TWA 762s that Atlas is flying for DHL. Those formerly-ABX 762s do indeed fly the JT9D. They make up half of the 10 or so 762s that Atlas is now flying for DHL, but they are a small part of the overall flown-for-DHL US fleet...) Because beggars can't be choosers when it comes to 763 conversions, ABX does have 3 767-300s with Pratt engines (out of the 9 it flies for DHL and such), but those are PW4060s. The rest (and the upcoming 763 conversions for Amazon) are all GE.
 
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:52 pm

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I have enjoyed your knowledgeable posts, so I'm sure know that all of the 25-ish active ABX/ATI 762s fly the CF6. (Three-quarters of the currently-flying ABX 762s are ex-ANA conversions, and most of the rest are ex-AA.)


Holy moly, you are so very right, I must have had JAL's penchant for P&W stuck in my head and mistook the -281s as former members of their fleet. That is completely my mistake. Thanks!
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:16 pm

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Is there some history behind Kalitta Air title style? it looks out of place on the livery.


The title not sure, but I know the guy that came up with the Red and Gold lines that go up the tail and they are supposed to look like exhaust pipes on a dragster as they sweep up the tail.

TNST3B wrote:
I've always had a fascination with Kalitta. They seem to be one of the last "cowboy" 121 carriers running old equipment and doing their own heavy MX, all to fund an expensive hobby.


Times have changed, they aren't as cowboy as they used to be. Back in the day Connie would rather pay a fine and do it his way than bow down to the Feds. The beer machine in the hangar and the lines of coke in the parking lot parties are long gone. There are so many stories of him walking through the hangar firing people left and right on a Monday morning only to be rehired Tuesday. Getting called in to do the carpet dance in his office while being called a C**k S**ker Mother F'er was almost a right of passage, an honor in a way really. Suitcases of cash and bottles of booze to get DC-8's out of Africa. Taking off thousands of pounds overweight in the jungle, losing parts in flight, total hydraulic failures on a regular basis. The DC-8 that hit the radio antenna that had to come back around to land with it stuck in the wing dragging the guide wires through a poverty stricken tent city at the end of the runway. Knocking out FBO line workers just to avoid paying a fee. Flying jets single pilot, blow up dolls and Mischief the Pomeranian, oh the stories about that dog... I would love to write a book on him or Willow Run some day.

After Kitty Hawk is when the tides turned on all that. He is an incredible businessman that loves to eat bankers and lawyers for lunch. Doug is no Connie in a lot of ways so this in a way is the last "cowboy" company.
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Fri Oct 14, 2016 11:48 pm

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I live in central Ohio, and approach to KLCK can go right over my house. A few years ago, I heard this deep thundering rumble. Thought my furnace was imploding. But no, it was a Kalitta 742 on a very low and slow long turn to Rickenbacker. It came the next day also, a real thrill! I usually get Cathay 748's and Polar 744s and now some 777 from Emirates and Ethiopian (interestingly) with cargo ops there. But I remember the 742!



Ethiopian Cargo in Ohio?
 
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Sat Oct 15, 2016 2:17 am

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K4 will keep them going until they are out of engines (which they have no spares). It seems like everytime one goes into check that there is a collective sigh of relief when the boroscope comes back ok. If they have to replace one engine, then an aircraft is going to be retired. I love the classic and was pleased that I got to fly it during my time there.


So does another retirement create 3 spares? Or do they shuttle to the desert and write them all off?
 
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Sat Oct 15, 2016 6:09 am

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I live in central Ohio, and approach to KLCK can go right over my house. A few years ago, I heard this deep thundering rumble. Thought my furnace was imploding. But no, it was a Kalitta 742 on a very low and slow long turn to Rickenbacker. It came the next day also, a real thrill! I usually get Cathay 748's and Polar 744s and now some 777 from Emirates and Ethiopian (interestingly) with cargo ops there. But I remember the 742!



Ethiopian Cargo in Ohio?


Picking up DHL freight and other contracts to go to Africa.
 
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Sat Oct 15, 2016 6:58 am

Well I am going to enjoy the 742s @ LAX as long as I can.
 
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:54 pm

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berari wrote:
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I live in central Ohio, and approach to KLCK can go right over my house. A few years ago, I heard this deep thundering rumble. Thought my furnace was imploding. But no, it was a Kalitta 742 on a very low and slow long turn to Rickenbacker. It came the next day also, a real thrill! I usually get Cathay 748's and Polar 744s and now some 777 from Emirates and Ethiopian (interestingly) with cargo ops there. But I remember the 742!



Ethiopian Cargo in Ohio?


Picking up DHL freight and other contracts to go to Africa.


Out of Ohio? Can you give us dates, flight numbers, aircraft types? This is Columbus Ohio we are talking about right?
 
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:06 pm

I heard one the other morning turning for line up for LAX over my house the other morning on the HNL-LAX run, it sounded great but I can see how someone who doesn't appreciate a 742 at about 4500FT above their house would be a bit grumpy about it at 615AM. There was a new 748F after it and it was much, much quieter at 4000FT on the same turn.
 
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Sun Oct 16, 2016 9:03 pm

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Ethiopian Cargo in Ohio?


Picking up DHL freight and other contracts to go to Africa.


Out of Ohio? Can you give us dates, flight numbers, aircraft types? This is Columbus Ohio we are talking about right?


There are many industries shipping and receiving out of Ohio from that airport. Emirates, Cargolux, Kalitta are all regular visitors.
 
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Sun Oct 16, 2016 10:20 pm

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b747400erf wrote:

Picking up DHL freight and other contracts to go to Africa.


Out of Ohio? Can you give us dates, flight numbers, aircraft types? This is Columbus Ohio we are talking about right?


There are many industries shipping and receiving out of Ohio from that airport. Emirates, Cargolux, Kalitta are all regular visitors.


A lot of clothes coming into there to a North American distribution center, I want to say for Gap?
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Sun Oct 16, 2016 10:40 pm

How many 742 remain in service outside of North America? What about the 741?
 
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Mon Oct 17, 2016 9:12 pm

b747400erf wrote:
berari wrote:
b747400erf wrote:

Picking up DHL freight and other contracts to go to Africa.


Out of Ohio? Can you give us dates, flight numbers, aircraft types? This is Columbus Ohio we are talking about right?


There are many industries shipping and receiving out of Ohio from that airport. Emirates, Cargolux, Kalitta are all regular visitors.


I understand. But Ethiopian Cargo flying into the US is news to me, have never seen any of their Cargo flights into the US (belly cargo out of IAD and EWR, yes, but never seen cargo aircraft.)
 
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Mon Oct 17, 2016 9:53 pm

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How many 742 remain in service outside of North America? What about the 741?


Flightglobal shows following

747-200F

3 Unitop Airlines
1 AHS Air International
1 Iran Air Cargo
1 Caspian Airlines
1 The Cargo Airlines
2 Trans Avia Export
2 South Airlines

747-200

3 Kabo Air, likely inactive

Other sources for 747-100 showed 2-3 by Iranian Air Force, cannot confirm this now

In North America GE has one 741 as a test bed.
 
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Tue Oct 18, 2016 1:25 am

Looks like there was a Kalitta 742 at LCK on Sunday. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/id/C ... 295-3-0-20

berari wrote:
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berari wrote:

Out of Ohio? Can you give us dates, flight numbers, aircraft types? This is Columbus Ohio we are talking about right?


There are many industries shipping and receiving out of Ohio from that airport. Emirates, Cargolux, Kalitta are all regular visitors.


I understand. But Ethiopian Cargo flying into the US is news to me, have never seen any of their Cargo flights into the US (belly cargo out of IAD and EWR, yes, but never seen cargo aircraft.)


Indeed, Columbus, OH. I won't derail too much- you can ask more questions in The Rest of Ohio, Part 5, but Cathay is also a regular visitor in addition to EK, etc mentioned in the quoted post and there have been a couple Etihad flights in the last week or so.

Ethiopian schedule per http://www.ethiopianairlines.com/corpor ... e/schedule:
ET 3500 03APR2016 27OCT2016 ...4..7
SGN 9:00 ANC 7:00 ET 77X
....... ANC 8:00 LCK 19:00 ET 77X
....... LCK 21:30 JFK 23:00 ET 77X

LCK airlines and destinations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rickenbac ... stinations
An article on LCK being a new darling in the US air cargo industry: http://aircargoworld.com/rickenbacker-r ... new-spark/
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:17 am

Yes LCK has become a magnet lately for the 747-200. There may even be a flight into LCK tonight sometime after dinner time.
 
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:27 am

Is it possible that one of the three Kabo Air 742 may be used next year for hajj flights? Could we see another 747-200 passenger flight?
 
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:09 am

CanadaFair wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
How many 742 remain in service outside of North America? What about the 741?


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I believe only 1 of the Uni-Top 747s is operating (B-2462 currently mostly visiting DAC, DEL, BOM from WUH). I think the other 2 aircraft are stored, withdrawn from use, in WUH (they were when I last saw them there).
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Tue Oct 18, 2016 1:19 pm

ssteve wrote:
airtran737 wrote:
K4 will keep them going until they are out of engines (which they have no spares). It seems like everytime one goes into check that there is a collective sigh of relief when the boroscope comes back ok. If they have to replace one engine, then an aircraft is going to be retired. I love the classic and was pleased that I got to fly it during my time there.


So does another retirement create 3 spares? Or do they shuttle to the desert and write them all off?


If there are no spares, and you blow one engine, then that aircraft can no longer fly, and you essentially gain three spares for the other two airframes.
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:48 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
Looks like there was a Kalitta 742 at LCK on Sunday. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/id/C ... 295-3-0-20

berari wrote:
b747400erf wrote:

There are many industries shipping and receiving out of Ohio from that airport. Emirates, Cargolux, Kalitta are all regular visitors.


I understand. But Ethiopian Cargo flying into the US is news to me, have never seen any of their Cargo flights into the US (belly cargo out of IAD and EWR, yes, but never seen cargo aircraft.)


Indeed, Columbus, OH. I won't derail too much- you can ask more questions in The Rest of Ohio, Part 5, but Cathay is also a regular visitor in addition to EK, etc mentioned in the quoted post and there have been a couple Etihad flights in the last week or so.

Ethiopian schedule per http://www.ethiopianairlines.com/corpor ... e/schedule:
ET 3500 03APR2016 27OCT2016 ...4..7
SGN 9:00 ANC 7:00 ET 77X
....... ANC 8:00 LCK 19:00 ET 77X
....... LCK 21:30 JFK 23:00 ET 77X

LCK airlines and destinations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rickenbac ... stinations
An article on LCK being a new darling in the US air cargo industry: http://aircargoworld.com/rickenbacker-r ... new-spark/


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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Fri Oct 21, 2016 7:55 pm

Will We see Kalitta 777f or 748-f in the future? Anyone know why they have 30+ -100 and -200 at oshcoda MI and only 3 flying?
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Re: Kalitta Air 747-200f

Sat Oct 22, 2016 12:01 am

InselMotherFokk wrote:
Will We see Kalitta 777f or 748-f in the future? Anyone know why they have 30+ -100 and -200 at oshcoda MI and only 3 flying?

Most of the -100s and -200s at Oscoda were flown until no longer economical from an airworthiness standpoint, and as the -400s came into the fleet, more were parked and parted out to sustain the last several Classic frames. We do all our own heavy maintenance in-house, and for that reason, holding onto the retired frames and parting them out was highly beneficial cost-wise. The three -200s still flying just happened to be the ones that could hold out longest without having cost-prohibitive maintenance issues come up. Two of them only have 80-some thousand hours on them, even less than a few of our -400s; but due to ADs and so forth, they're likely to be parked relatively soon.

As for the 777F or 748, it wouldn't surprise me to see one or both show up in the fleet at some point down the road, particularly if the 777BCF gets up and running, or if Boeing finds itself with end-of-the-line 748s that they REALLY need to unload. That said, the overall business plan at K4 is a pretty closely-held secret; nobody but the man himself and his closest deputies are fully up to speed on the big picture decisions (though, to be fair, I'm more or less at the complete bottom of the totem pole at the company, so my perspective doesn't reach very far). In the meantime, the more persistent rumors around the office are that we'll be seeing more 747-400Fs. We just picked up one more 2005-build "true freighter," it'll be starting revenue service shortly. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw 2-4 more in 2017.
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