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TG fails to get CASA approval, to deploy A350 to Europe instead

Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:14 am

Australian officials fail to approve Thai Airways for A350 operations to Melbourne because they are "unfamiliar with this type of aircraft". TG is now forced to deploy the A350 on European long-haul routes.

The roll out of Thai Airways International's brand-new Airbus A350 XWB jets has been put on hold.

The flag carrier had planned to debut the state-of-the-art aircraft on its Bangkok-Melbourne route as part of THAI's enhanced service. But Australian civil aviation authorities have kept THAI in the dark as to whether or when it will approve the airline's application to operate the world's latest commercial airliner to and from Australia.

The authorities were cited as saying they were "unfamiliar" with this type of aircraft, especially on issues related to airworthiness, insiders with knowledge of the matter told the Bangkok Post.

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"We are at a loss and absolutely have no idea why it is taking so long for them [Australian officials] to consider our application," said a THAI executive who asked not to be named.

He added that the 60-day period to consider the application had already passed. Uncertainty over the matter and the arrival of THAI's second A350 at Suvarnabhumi airport this week have prompted the flag carrier to reactivate its Plan B for the aircraft. THAI will now deploy its first pair of long-range twin-engine wide-body jet airliners on its European trunk routes, instead of flying to Australia.


As for the first European destinations:

The airline has already sought permission to operate the new aircraft from the European civil aviation authorities, whose endorsement is expected shortly.

THAI expects to start operating the A350s on non-stop flights from Bangkok to major European cities such as London, Paris and Frankfurt by Oct 28.


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Re: TG fails to get CASA approval, to deploy A350 to Europe instead

Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:20 am

But others are flying the A350 routinely to Australia.
 
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Re: TG fails to get CASA approval, to deploy A350 to Europe instead

Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:21 am

So, who is the idiot here? CASA that hasn't realize the A350 already flies to Melbourne and Adelaide with SQ et QR or the Bangkok Post who doesn't report the right thing.
 
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Re: TG fails to get CASA approval, to deploy A350 to Europe instead

Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:21 am

QR and SQ already operate the A350 to Australia.
 
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Re: TG fails to get CASA approval, to deploy A350 to Europe instead

Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:23 am

AsiaTravel wrote:
So, who is the idiot here? CASA that hasn't realize the A350 already flies to Melbourne and Adelaide with SQ et QR or the Bangkok Post who doesn't report the right thing.

I'm betting its not CASA.
 
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Re: TG fails to get CASA approval, to deploy A350 to Europe instead

Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:07 pm

Pcoder wrote:
QR and SQ already operate the A350 to Australia.


CX is also due to start flying A350's to MEL next year
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Re: TG fails to get CASA approval, to deploy A350 to Europe instead

Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:00 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Australian officials fail to approve Thai Airways for A350 operations to Melbourne because they are "unfamiliar with this type of aircraft". TG is now forced to deploy the A350 on European long-haul routes.


I suspect that this isn't really about the A350 but more to do with Thai Airways. I suspect there has been no approval by CASA for the A350 operation into MEL by TG is due to the ICAO audit handed down in 2015 where problems were found with safety standards. As a result CASA placed TG on notice and increased inspections on the airline. CASA also stated that

any request from Thai Airways for additional flights or changes to its approved operations would be considered in light of the issues raised by the safety audit.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busines ... 0d05bb7512

I would also say when it says they are unfamiliar with this type of aircraft it is referring to TG and not CASA.
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Re: TG fails to get CASA approval, to deploy A350 to Europe instead

Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:28 pm

That little incident at Phuket prob didn't help their situation.
 
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Re: TG fails to get CASA approval, to deploy A350 to Europe instead

Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:42 pm

INCIDENT at HKT had nothing to do with the lack of decision. If CASA were really concerned then they'd pull approval on all existing routes.
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Re: TG fails to get CASA approval, to deploy A350 to Europe instead

Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:01 pm

So, in conclusion, the Aussies in charge of certifying are dumb af. Not only they won't allow Thai to fly there, but also they won't allow flights to other continents with the jet when it has been certified to fly 6+ hours on one engine. Plus, QR flies to Australia with the A350 and they have to cover a much greater distance over water.
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Re: TG fails to get CASA approval, to deploy A350 to Europe instead

Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:05 pm

"No airlines have operated this type of European-made aircraft over Australian airspace, and THAI would be the first international carrier to do so if permission were granted."

It's probably Bangkok Post who is reporting the wrong stuff. As you can see in the quote above, they are saying that no airline has ever flown the A350 through the Australian Airspace/to Australia. But we all know that QR and SQ are flying the A350 to ADL/MEL
 
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Re: TG fails to get CASA approval, to deploy A350 to Europe instead

Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:17 pm

I'm not sure what's worse: airliners.net posters' reading comprehension of the original article, the poor Bangkok Post journalism, or the ICAO safety record of Thai Airways.
 
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Re: TG fails to get CASA approval, to deploy A350 to Europe instead

Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:25 pm

OA940 wrote:
So, in conclusion, the Aussies in charge of certifying are dumb af. Not only they won't allow Thai to fly there, but also they won't allow flights to other continents with the jet when it has been certified to fly 6+ hours on one engine. Plus, QR flies to Australia with the A350 and they have to cover a much greater distance over water.


Did you even read the above posts before writing this?
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Re: TG fails to get CASA approval, to deploy A350 to Europe instead

Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:29 pm

keitherson wrote:
I'm not sure what's worse: airliners.net posters' reading comprehension of the original article, the poor Bangkok Post journalism, or the ICAO safety record of Thai Airways.


A.net reading comprehension.
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Re: TG fails to get CASA approval, to deploy A350 to Europe instead

Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:54 pm

What a surprise this is... Not!

Plenty of other destinations for TG to send their new A350s to so I don't think that TG is really too concerned.
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Re: TG fails to get CASA approval, to deploy A350 to Europe instead

Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:04 am

keitherson wrote:
I'm not sure what's worse: airliners.net posters' reading comprehension of the original article, the poor Bangkok Post journalism, or the ICAO safety record of Thai Airways.


Regardless, the point being that TG is not getting CASA approval (whatever the reason may be) and therefore needs to deploy the A350 to other destinations.
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Re: TG fails to get CASA approval, to deploy A350 to Europe instead

Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:49 am

vhtje wrote:
OA940 wrote:
So, in conclusion, the Aussies in charge of certifying are dumb af. Not only they won't allow Thai to fly there, but also they won't allow flights to other continents with the jet when it has been certified to fly 6+ hours on one engine. Plus, QR flies to Australia with the A350 and they have to cover a much greater distance over water.


Did you even read the above posts before writing this?


Umm... yes?
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Re: TG fails to get CASA approval, to deploy A350 to Europe instead

Fri Oct 14, 2016 3:43 pm

It seems obvious to me that certification was withheld on account of Thai's safety record, and the Bangkok Post simply didn't want to say that and instead made up some mumbo jumbo about it having to do with the aircraft type.
 
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Re: TG fails to get CASA approval, to deploy A350 to Europe instead

Fri Oct 14, 2016 6:37 pm

Can they send the 787? They have 787-8s now and if they need more capacity they also have two 787-9s coming next year (though I imagine CASA will have granted approval for TG A350 operations by then).
 
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Re: TG fails to get CASA approval, to deploy A350 to Europe instead

Wed Nov 02, 2016 11:58 am

Rome and Milan confirmed:

Thai Airways International (THAI) has opted to use its latest Airbus 350 XWB jets for its Italian services, starting from the middle of this month.

The flag carrier made the decision after it became apparent that approval from Australia for it to deploy the technologically advanced aircraft on its Bangkok-Melbourne route would not be forthcoming.

THAI will use its first two A350 XWBs for its Bangkok-Rome and Bangkok-Milan routes to replace old Boeing 777-200ERs.


http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/transpo ... -for-italy
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