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Australian Aviation Thread Part 146

Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:45 am

Australian Aviation Thread Part 146 in now open for discussion, please continue to add your comments below

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In Part 145 we discussed

Article regarding QF targeting Europe-SYD/MEL non-stop
MU files for KMG-SYD eff 24 Nov 16
VA to resume MEL-LAX, reduces BNE-LAX
VA axes SYD-AUH, to Start PER-AUH with A332
AI plans to increase both SYD & MEL to 5 weekly from W16
Congestion at MEL airport
VA & PER ops
SQ starts CBR service
TG delays A350 service to MEL
PX flags reducing services if codeshare with QF not approved
JQ956 SYD-CNS diverts to BNE due to smoke in cabin
JQ flight operating SYD-HKT diverts to BKK due to TG A350 landing incident
QF1623 operating PER-ZNE performs emergency landing at PER due to smell of fumes throughout aircraft, emergency evacuation with slides deployed
TG puts back A350 service again
All 4 main airports report International growth in August
OZ to use A388 to SYD between late Dec and early Feb
Passenger movement charge will go up $5 from 1 July 17
SQ announces SIN-CGK-SYD
Adelaide Blackout
QF825 DRW-BNE returns to DRW after conducting emergency decent
CAPA article suggesting QF could operate to LHR one through DXB and the other through SIN
Aus-Indonesia Market
AFL Grand Final flyover by VA
Rumour of a subfleet of VA 737’s being fitted with new J class seat for trans con
Bad weather on east coast, diversions, delays and cancellations
VA calls for QF/PX codeshare arrangement to be scrapped
QF717 & Network Aviation F100 get a little too close at Paraburdoo
QF to reveal 787 seats, initial route 27 Oct
QR figures into ADL improving
JQ713 MEL-HBA struck by lightning, returns to MEL
Another air rage incident on JQ
MU to upgrade MU736/736 to SYD to 77W on selected dates
JL 788 charter flights into MEL
SQ238 suffers tailstrike on takeoff from MEL during bad weather, continues to SIN
TG473 BKK-BNE diverts to DPS due to an engine issue
QF A333 VH-QPJ ferried to VCV, possibly for repaint
QF’s Ready for Takeoff second season on CH9 starts
Charity run on SYD runway
CX confirms 1 weekly freighter service for Wellcamp
DL A333 N817NW operates SIN-DRW, possible military charter
HA A332 maintenance at BNE
TT to base 3rd A320 in BNE, start daily BNE-PER, 4 weekly BNE- Whitsunday coast
QF to resume daily SYD-PEK from 25 Jan 17, operated by A332
Int configured A332 VH-EBG & EBL to stay as is
QF Int growth over past 12-18 months
TG A350 service to MEL canned, to go to Europe instead
TT to add 4th 737 in DEC
NZ has offloaded final shares in VA
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 146

Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:52 am

Over 4000 QF ground staff have agreed to take a 18 month wage freeze. Form 2018 to mid 2020 wages will see a total increase of 7.5%

In exchange for this the staff will receive a one off bonus equal to 5% of their annual salary plus a record result bonus of $3000

http://www.smh.com.au/business/workplac ... s1kvp.html
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 146

Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:00 am

I dont recall it being reported in last thread but I regards to QF returning on SYD-PEK flights from PEK will depart 5 minutes later on Thursday and Sundays

QF107 SYD1350 – 2240PEK 332 D
QF108 PEK0015 – 1455SYD 332 x47
QF108 PEK0020 – 1455SYD 332 47

Here's the history on QF PEK flights as well

Qantas first served Melbourne – Sydney – Beijing with Boeing 747-200, and Boeing 747SP from September 1984 to March 1987, Boeing 767 from March 1995 to August 1996, 1 weekly each. Beijing operation switched to 1-stop as Sydney – Shanghai – Beijing from August 1996 to May 1999. In 2000s, the airline operated Sydney – Beijing route 3 times a week from Jan 2006 to April 2009.


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Fri Oct 14, 2016 3:31 pm

So I'm flying PER-MEL via ADL on VA Sunday (was significantly cheaper than going direct) and just realised I only have a 35 minute layover. Is that enough time for them to get my bag off one aircraft and on to the other? Or will the same 738 operate the second leg? I find it bizarre they let you book such a tight connection unless they know it's a same plane service.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 146

Sat Oct 15, 2016 2:51 am

Reusing the old JFK flight numbers too I see for PEK!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 146

Sat Oct 15, 2016 3:52 am

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So I'm flying PER-MEL via ADL on VA Sunday (was significantly cheaper than going direct) and just realised I only have a 35 minute layover. Is that enough time for them to get my bag off one aircraft and on to the other? Or will the same 738 operate the second leg? I find it bizarre they let you book such a tight connection unless they know it's a same plane service.


Shouldn't be an issue. Connector bags are loaded separately and ground crew are notified where they are. And if connections are tight, they'll be told how many bags to expect for the tight connection as well. ADL isn't all that big either, with all VA planes quite close together.

However, if that time reduces even more, or there are unforeseen problems, there is always the possibility of your bag missing the flight, but that really applies to just about any flight.

I wouldn't worry, and worst case, it arrives on the next flight, and bag gets couriered to your home, hotel, or wherever you are staying.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 146

Sat Oct 15, 2016 4:31 am

MU have decided to place the 77W on the MEL-PVG daily instead of x4 weekly during this years peak season. This will be the first time that MU has placed the aircraft to MEL, perhaps forward bookings are looking strong for this route!

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Sat Oct 15, 2016 7:00 am

Qantas Source is now confirming VH-QPJ is in VCV for repaint

http://www.theqantassource.com/

On 6th October VH-OEH operating QF74 SFO-SYD suffered a bird strike

A Qantas Boeing 747-400, registration VH-OEH performing flight QF-74 from San Fracisco,CA (USA) to Sydney,NS (Australia), was climbing out of San Francisco's runway 28L when the crew heard abnormal noise and sensed unusual vibrations of the aircraft. The crew consulted with maintenance and performed troubleshooting. In the absence of any abnormal indications the crew decided to continue the flight to Sydney, where the aircraft landed safely about 14 hours after departure.

On Oct 14th 2016 the ATSB reported that a post flight inspection revealed a bird strike to a landing gear door strut and the door seal. The occurrence was rated an incident and is being investigated by the ATSB.


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 146

Sat Oct 15, 2016 7:33 am

Today QF along with JQ have put a ban on Samsung Galaxy note 7, effective from 1201am 16 October 2016

Qantas and Jetstar customers are advised that the carriage of Samsung Galaxy Note 7 devices on-board is prohibited on ALL FLIGHTS effective 12:01am (AEDT) Sunday 16 October 2016. This is due to concerns regarding potential fire risk from the device’s battery after a number of incidents worldwide and follows a ban put in place by regulators overseas. The ban applies to devices being carried onto the aircraft, in carry-on baggage as well as check-in luggage


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 146

Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:34 am

Crikey! I can't believe I'm the first to post about this

Qantas has announced a seasonal upgauge for PER-SIN to 332, Daily 744 MEL-HKG and up to 10pw MEL-LAX!

From TravelDaily
QANTAS has today announced it will increase capacity on the Perth-Singapore route on flights QF71/72 from 15 Dec to 22 Jan by upgauging from Boeing 737-800s to Airbus A330-200s, to meet “strong demand” over the Christmas/NY travel period. QF flights on the Melbourne- Los Angeles route will be scaled back from nine per week to daily (A380) services beginning 30 Jan, but ramped up to 10 per week during the Mar-Apr and Jun-Jul holiday periods.
The MEL adjustment will enable Qantas to bolster its Hong Kong route from the Victorian capital to offer daily Boeing 747-400 flights instead of a mix of 747s
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 146

Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:59 am

qantas747 wrote:
Crikey! I can't believe I'm the first to post about this

Qantas has announced a seasonal upgauge for PER-SIN to 332, Daily 744 MEL-HKG and up to 10pw MEL-LAX!

From TravelDaily
QANTAS has today announced it will increase capacity on the Perth-Singapore route on flights QF71/72 from 15 Dec to 22 Jan by upgauging from Boeing 737-800s to Airbus A330-200s, to meet “strong demand” over the Christmas/NY travel period. QF flights on the Melbourne- Los Angeles route will be scaled back from nine per week to daily (A380) services beginning 30 Jan, but ramped up to 10 per week during the Mar-Apr and Jun-Jul holiday periods.
The MEL adjustment will enable Qantas to bolster its Hong Kong route from the Victorian capital to offer daily Boeing 747-400 flights instead of a mix of 747s
and Airbus A330s currently used.


That's great news. It seems like it went under the radar as I only see it here.

I'm guessing that the downgauge on MEL-LAX is linked to VA coming back on the route. I was hopping that PER-SIN would go to A332 all year long in the future but it's a good step forward.
 
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Wed Oct 19, 2016 5:58 am

To be expected re; MEL-LAX as VA re-enters the route and MEL-HKG continues to build (increased capacity by CX also on that route)

The seasonal increases are smart and shows that Qantas have certainly become a more agile airline.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 146

Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:07 am

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Qantas Source is now confirming VH-QPJ is in VCV for repaint

http://www.theqantassource.com/


From previous thread ;)

one week ago

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@AsiaTravel repaint? all existing images appear to be in the old roo. Perhaps VCV was cheaper than SIN this time round?


Aircraft was ferried for maintenance/ respray.

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Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:42 am

qantas747 wrote:
Crikey! I can't believe I'm the first to post about this

Qantas has announced a seasonal upgauge for PER-SIN to 332, Daily 744 MEL-HKG and up to 10pw MEL-LAX!

From TravelDaily
QANTAS has today announced it will increase capacity on the Perth-Singapore route on flights QF71/72 from 15 Dec to 22 Jan by upgauging from Boeing 737-800s to Airbus A330-200s, to meet “strong demand” over the Christmas/NY travel period. QF flights on the Melbourne- Los Angeles route will be scaled back from nine per week to daily (A380) services beginning 30 Jan, but ramped up to 10 per week during the Mar-Apr and Jun-Jul holiday periods.
The MEL adjustment will enable Qantas to bolster its Hong Kong route from the Victorian capital to offer daily Boeing 747-400 flights instead of a mix of 747s
and Airbus A330s currently used.


Side note about MEL-LAX being brought back to daily... this will leave 2 747's operating BNE-LAX-JFK isolated from the rest of the network. Assume they will ferry between BNE & SYD when necessary. Only other alternative would be to sub onto the QF97/98 BNE-HKG rotation as necessary.
 
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Side note about MEL-LAX being brought back to daily... this will leave 2 747's operating BNE-LAX-JFK isolated from the rest of the network. Assume they will ferry between BNE & SYD when necessary. Only other alternative would be to sub onto the QF97/98 BNE-HKG rotation as necessary.


I don't think that there is a problem with 2 744's dedicated to BNE-LAX-JFK, keep in mind that SYD-LAX has 1 weekly flight operated with 744 as the A380's only operate x6 weekly on that route. I think we are just seeing the beginning of a re-shuffle of Nth American services with more announcements to follow.
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Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:43 am

According to latest update TG has pushed back A350 to MEL to December now

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... perations/
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Side note about MEL-LAX being brought back to daily... this will leave 2 747's operating BNE-LAX-JFK isolated from the rest of the network. Assume they will ferry between BNE & SYD when necessary. Only other alternative would be to sub onto the QF97/98 BNE-HKG rotation as necessary.


The easy thing to do is set them on a Y routing through LAX. BNE-LAX-JFK-LAX-MEL.
 
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kriskim wrote:
Qantas16 wrote:
Side note about MEL-LAX being brought back to daily... this will leave 2 747's operating BNE-LAX-JFK isolated from the rest of the network. Assume they will ferry between BNE & SYD when necessary. Only other alternative would be to sub onto the QF97/98 BNE-HKG rotation as necessary.


I don't think that there is a problem with 2 744's dedicated to BNE-LAX-JFK, keep in mind that SYD-LAX has 1 weekly flight operated with 744 as the A380's only operate x6 weekly on that route. I think we are just seeing the beginning of a re-shuffle of Nth American services with more announcements to follow.


Ah forgot about the 1x weekly SYD-LAX... that should reduce the need to ferry them around.

Will be interested to see if anything else changes, can't really see where that change will come from until the 789's arrive, unless the change involves AA metal (i.e. AA taking over LAX-BNE or something similar - though that would still be very surprising).
 
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Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:27 am

Quick question - where can I find what aircraft are allowed into SYD when the curfew is active? I have it in my mind that the BAe 146s are allowed - is this true and what others are allowed. The question could also be phrased as what aircraft are not subject to curfew?
 
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Quick question - where can I find what aircraft are allowed into SYD when the curfew is active? I have it in my mind that the BAe 146s are allowed - is this true and what others are allowed. The question could also be phrased as what aircraft are not subject to curfew?


https://infrastructure.gov.au/aviation/ ... Brief.aspx
 
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Wed Oct 19, 2016 2:07 pm

VA to announce partnership with Coles, 2000 Flybuy points can be converted in 870 FF points, that sounds familiar

Virgin Australia frequent flyers can now earn Velocity points and status credits through Coles' Flybuys scheme, in a direct shot across the bow of the Qantas-Woolworths alliance.

Under the partnership, which launches today at Flybuys outlets across Australia, shoppers will be able to convert Flybuys points into Velocity Frequent Flyer points.

The ‘exchange rate’ sees 2,000 Flybuys points equal to 870 Velocity points – the exact same transfer rate for turning Woolworths Points (via a cumbersome ‘Woolworths Dollars’ detour) into Qantas points.



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Re: Flybuys/Velocity

There is an introductory offer wherefor 2,000 flybuys points youget 1,000 Velocity Points instead of the standard 870 points. This expires 30 Nov

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Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:42 am

New QF lounge in BNE looks great! I like the regional themes, I'm not into luxury lounge, I just want somewhere quiet with wifi and some snacks to relax- perfect for me. Looking forward to seeing what they do with BNE domestic, and LHR,SYD,MEL, AKL lounge spaces. A lot of investments but with SYD, and MEL - much needed

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Quick question - where can I find what aircraft are allowed into SYD when the curfew is active? I have it in my mind that the BAe 146s are allowed - is this true and what others are allowed. The question could also be phrased as what aircraft are not subject to curfew?


https://infrastructure.gov.au/aviation/ ... Brief.aspx


Thankyou sir - my google skills elude me it seems!
 
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Thu Oct 20, 2016 3:22 pm

QF has cancelled all flights to HKG on Friday due to typhoon Haima
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Fri Oct 21, 2016 12:34 pm

QF96 diverted to SYD this morning for fuel

http://www.theqantassource.com/qantas-b ... diversion/
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QF96 diverted to SYD this morning for fuel

http://www.theqantassource.com/qantas-b ... diversion/


Seems unusual. Were there stronger headwinds than forecast??
 
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Does anyone know why VH-QPA flew to PVG out of WTB today?
 
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Does anyone know why VH-QPA flew to PVG out of WTB today?


That's unusual. Apparently QF rerouted the QF129 via WTB to pick up a delegation.

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qf789 wrote:
QF96 diverted to SYD this morning for fuel

http://www.theqantassource.com/qantas-b ... diversion/


Seems unusual. Were there stronger headwinds than forecast??
qf789 wrote:
QF96 diverted to SYD this morning for fuel

http://www.theqantassource.com/qantas-b ... diversion/


Due to the strong forecast winds at Melbourne and in the event aircraft would be placed into holding pattern.

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Does anyone know why VH-QPA flew to PVG out of WTB today?


That's unusual. Apparently QF rerouted the QF129 via WTB to pick up a delegation.

https://www.facebook.com/WINNewsToowoom ... 2713064368


This morning flight was a charter routed via Toowoomba to pick up Toowoomba Surat Basin Enterprise (TSBE) an independent regional economic development organisation.

http://www.tsbe.com.au

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Qantas Source is now confirming VH-QPJ is in VCV for repaint

http://www.theqantassource.com/


Coincidence, let's hope we right as it appears VH-QPJ is scheduled to depart VCV during complete darkness via KOA & arrive SYD on Friday morning just in time for QF's B789 route and interior unveiling
:D
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Sun Oct 23, 2016 7:56 am

I was at Wellcamp this morning for the QF A330 flight. Conflicting reports say it came up empty from SYD, however it only picked up around 40 pax in WTB.

It took a delegation from the Toowoomba and Surat basin region for the AccessChina 2016 conference in PVG. Things at Wellcamp are really ramping up with the CX cargo flights starting next month and they are close to signing more agreements with the Chinese themselves. lots of powdered milk and formula apparently. On this flight today approx 12 freight cans got loaded on too. (Some would be pax bags). It returns in a week or so via Wellcamp to SYD too.

Here's a pic of it arriving.

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Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:29 am

EK413 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Qantas Source is now confirming VH-QPJ is in VCV for repaint

http://www.theqantassource.com/


Coincidence, let's hope we right as it appears VH-QPJ is scheduled to depart VCV during complete darkness via KOA & arrive SYD on Friday morning just in time for QF's B789 route and interior unveiling
:D
Just saying

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Very interesting theory... I hope it's true, would be great to see an updated livery (note - updated not completely different!!!).
 
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Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:54 am

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EK413 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Qantas Source is now confirming VH-QPJ is in VCV for repaint

http://www.theqantassource.com/


Coincidence, let's hope we right as it appears VH-QPJ is scheduled to depart VCV during complete darkness via KOA & arrive SYD on Friday morning just in time for QF's B789 route and interior unveiling
:D
Just saying

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Very interesting theory... I hope it's true, would be great to see an updated livery (note - updated not completely different!!!).


I'm hoping it's an exciting special livery or as you already mentioned a slightly revised livery. My preference would be a special livery :)


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Sun Oct 23, 2016 12:26 pm

EK413 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Qantas Source is now confirming VH-QPJ is in VCV for repaint

http://www.theqantassource.com/


Coincidence, let's hope we right as it appears VH-QPJ is scheduled to depart VCV during complete darkness via KOA & arrive SYD on Friday morning just in time for QF's B789 route and interior unveiling
:D
Just saying

EK413


First RPT route of the new 789's to be SYD-KOA-VCV. Hehe, couldn't resist posting that.
 
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Bluebird191 wrote:
EK413 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Qantas Source is now confirming VH-QPJ is in VCV for repaint

http://www.theqantassource.com/


Coincidence, let's hope we right as it appears VH-QPJ is scheduled to depart VCV during complete darkness via KOA & arrive SYD on Friday morning just in time for QF's B789 route and interior unveiling
:D
Just saying

EK413


First RPT route of the new 789's to be SYD-KOA-VCV. Hehe, couldn't resist posting that.


Well that was a seasonal route during the accelerated fleet retirement program :)

I'd expect that to be launched 2020 when the A380s head off to the desert :D

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First RPT route of the new 789's to be SYD-KOA-VCV. Hehe, couldn't resist posting that.


Maybe we will see AA do VCV-MEL?
 
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EK413 wrote:
Bluebird191 wrote:
EK413 wrote:

Coincidence, let's hope we right as it appears VH-QPJ is scheduled to depart VCV during complete darkness via KOA & arrive SYD on Friday morning just in time for QF's B789 route and interior unveiling
:D
Just saying

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First RPT route of the new 789's to be SYD-KOA-VCV. Hehe, couldn't resist posting that.


Well that was a seasonal route during the accelerated fleet retirement program :)

I'd expect that to be launched 2020 when the A380s head off to the desert :D

EK413


Newsflash - QF to have the first scheduled pax A380 flight to KOA, start date - 1 April 2020, with a rerouting of QF3/4 from SYD-HNL to SYD-KOA.

But seriously, the 787's are high on my list of favourite aircraft type even with it not being as quiet as initially promoted (yes, I have flown on them and see them every day flying over home).
 
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Tue Oct 25, 2016 10:32 am

Hey everyone.
QF have increased their London based sales team by 6 and there is speculation this increase is due to the launch of direct PER-LON flights. Ahead of the official announcements on the 27th. Do you guys think this is possible?
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Tue Oct 25, 2016 10:38 am

Probably not related as an existing sales team already exists. The more interesting sales recruitment to watch is NZ in Australia- about 20 new bodies were recently added purely to promote transfer traffic to NA and BUE. Will be interesting to see how many remain after 2-3 years as NZ have a habit of hiring then soon culling in the name of trimming costs.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 146

Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:39 pm

With the influx of new services to Nth America, Australians are waking up and know that they don't need to transfer in AKL anymore, why take 3 flights when you can get 2 (from East Coast Australia viaLAX/SFO/DFW/YVR then onwards). NZ is definately filling the pressure, once MEL and BNE start getting more connections AKL will become less relevant, there's only so many services that a city of 1.37 million people can support.

I hope MEL gets more services as I'm sick and tired of AKL feeding off of it.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 146

Tue Oct 25, 2016 1:30 pm

kriskim wrote:
With the influx of new services to Nth America, Australians are waking up and know that they don't need to transfer in AKL anymore, why take 3 flights when you can get 2 (from East Coast Australia viaLAX/SFO/DFW/YVR then onwards). NZ is definately filling the pressure, once MEL and BNE start getting more connections AKL will become less relevant, there's only so many services that a city of 1.37 million people can support.

I hope MEL gets more services as I'm sick and tired of AKL feeding off of it.


I think NZ will also be tapping into ADL, PER, and eventually CBR. They will
still compete to EZE, and YVR from MEL as I think it will be sometime before AC starts up. IAH is good, but I do think they need one more US port to stay relevant. I'm not sick and tired at all, just the ebb and flow of the market! And it's a growing market, there is enough for most if everyone is sensible - looking at VA.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 146

Tue Oct 25, 2016 2:42 pm

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Hey everyone.
QF have increased their London based sales team by 6 and there is speculation this increase is due to the launch of direct PER-LON flights. Ahead of the official announcements on the 27th. Do you guys think this is possible?
(Reported in TravelDaily today)


I probably wouldn't read too much into it at this stage. The announcement this week, as it has previously been reported is on seating and the first international route, one of QF's existing routes. The first new route wont be announced until next year

On PER-LON there has been a few stories over the past couple of weeks

Tim Clark backs PER-LON nonstop

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/ ... top/#page1

Discussions with PER Airport taking too long

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/ ... ght/#page1

London is currently a challenge due to number of competitors, operating PER-LON nonstop would lead QF in having a improved operating into London

http://australianaviation.com.au/2016/1 ... challenge/
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 146

Tue Oct 25, 2016 7:47 pm

Today's AA73 will terminate & AA72 SYD-LAX cancelled spending the day in SYD for marketing purposes.

Just thought I'd throw that out there ;)

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 146

Tue Oct 25, 2016 7:57 pm

EK413 wrote:
Today's AA73 will terminate & AA72 SYD-LAX cancelled spending the day in SYD for marketing purposes.

Just thought I'd throw that out there ;)


Hmmm ... should we be expecting an announcement on new/additional/different service and/or capacity on QANTAS and/or AA between Australia and the U.S.?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 146

Tue Oct 25, 2016 8:06 pm

commavia wrote:
EK413 wrote:
Today's AA73 will terminate & AA72 SYD-LAX cancelled spending the day in SYD for marketing purposes.

Just thought I'd throw that out there ;)


Hmmm ... should we be expecting an announcement on new/additional/different service and/or capacity on QANTAS and/or AA between Australia and the U.S.?


I'm thinking so, QF are set to announce their first 787 routes and configuration on Thursday, MEL-DFW anyone!? Or AA MEL-LAX?!

Re LHR routes there is an article in Austrlian aviation with Joyce saying its a tough route and how a route like PER-LHR could be the way foward as well as possibly other Europe routes non stop with an aircraft like the 778, interesting times!

kriskim wrote:
With the influx of new services to Nth America, Australians are waking up and know that they don't need to transfer in AKL anymore, why take 3 flights when you can get 2 (from East Coast Australia viaLAX/SFO/DFW/YVR then onwards). NZ is definately filling the pressure, once MEL and BNE start getting more connections AKL will become less relevant, there's only so many services that a city of 1.37 million people can support.

I hope MEL gets more services as I'm sick and tired of AKL feeding off of it.


We will see I don't think AKL or NZ is done with new US services yet either. Australia will continue to be an important market for NZ to the Americas.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 146

Tue Oct 25, 2016 9:25 pm

smi0006 wrote:
kriskim wrote:
With the influx of new services to Nth America, Australians are waking up and know that they don't need to transfer in AKL anymore, why take 3 flights when you can get 2 (from East Coast Australia viaLAX/SFO/DFW/YVR then onwards). NZ is definately filling the pressure, once MEL and BNE start getting more connections AKL will become less relevant, there's only so many services that a city of 1.37 million people can support.

I hope MEL gets more services as I'm sick and tired of AKL feeding off of it.


I think NZ will also be tapping into ADL, PER, and eventually CBR. They will
still compete to EZE, and YVR from MEL as I think it will be sometime before AC starts up. IAH is good, but I do think they need one more US port to stay relevant. I'm not sick and tired at all, just the ebb and flow of the market! And it's a growing market, there is enough for most if everyone is sensible - looking at VA.

NZ has already suggested that they are looking at another NA destination. The prime candidates would be ORD - most likely followed by DEN with LAS and NYC as less likely possibilities. There is also a chance they might add another SA service (maybe Brazil direct or joining the SCL crowd).
I wouldn't say that Australians are waking up and knowing they don't need to transfer in AKL anymore.... I would say the opposite is true they are waking up and realising that AKL makes a great stopover point that is convenient and offers a variety of non-stop destinations.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 146

Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:32 pm

EK413 wrote:
Today's AA73 will terminate & AA72 SYD-LAX cancelled spending the day in SYD for marketing purposes.

Just thought I'd throw that out there ;)

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 146

Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:11 am

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I probably wouldn't read too much into it at this stage. The announcement this week, as it has previously been reported is on seating and the first international route, one of QF's existing routes. The first new route wont be announced until next year

On PER-LON there has been a few stories over the past couple of weeks

Tim Clark backs PER-LON nonstop

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/ ... top/#page1

Discussions with PER Airport taking too long

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/ ... ght/#page1

London is currently a challenge due to number of competitors, operating PER-LON nonstop would lead QF in having a improved operating into London

http://australianaviation.com.au/2016/1 ... challenge/


Key to PER-LHR will be ADL. There are a large number of passengers from ADL who are transferring to MEL/SYD to fly to Europe with QF. It would make a lot of sense for those passengers to switch to flying from ADL to PER to LHR and avoid the stop in Dubai. It doubles the potential number of passengers flying out of PER to LHR.

Of course there are many other airlines flying direct out of Adelaide but there remains a very strong preference of many to fly with QF.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread Part 146

Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:27 am

Key to PER-LHR will be ADL. There are a large number of passengers from ADL who are transferring to MEL/SYD to fly to Europe with QF. It would make a lot of sense for those passengers to switch to flying from ADL to PER to LHR and avoid the stop in Dubai. It doubles the potential number of passengers flying out of PER to LHR.

Of course there are many other airlines flying direct out of Adelaide but there remains a very strong preference of many to fly with QF.

If PER-LHR only makes sense with ADL pax, then it will probably struggle. As you point out, there are lots of one-stop LHR services available ex-ADL including SQ, EK, QR, MH, CX plus QF itself on the EK codeshare that will probably be an A380 all the way this time next year. It would have to be a pretty compelling offer to drag many pax from these customers partticularly as QF Dom-Int'l transfers are hardly a joy in PER.
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