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What is it so difficult to ship air-cargo directly with a cargo carrier?

Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:45 pm

We are starting a tech startup which needs to ship high value products from US to overseas customers, mostly in ASIA and Middle east.
Volume wise we are planning to ship one containers (LD3/Pallet) per week. Having come from high tech background, we assume we assumed we can just load our container, and drop it off at the airport, the airline will fly it to the destination airport. Once there, we take care of customs and other formalities.

To our surprise, airlines told us they won’t’ even give us a quote unless we have an Indirect Air Carrier certificate. In addition, we may need a IATA Freight Foreword license. We figured since we are not based in the US, so it might be difficult to get a Indirect Air Carrier certificate.

So we decided to outsource it to a reputable Freight Forwarder. Tryied to get a list of certified Freight Forwarder from IATA's Cargo link directory, but apparently there are over 30 different types of freight forwarders, not sure which type we would be needing.

We don’t ever have a quote yet, and the situation is very confusing already.

Does anyone has any idea how much would it cost to Air-ship one LD3 container/per week to ASIA from US?
Can anyone provide any guidance here, or is there any publications/books/websites/blogs/magazines we could read to guide us through the process?
 
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Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:51 pm

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What is it so difficult to directly ship air-cargo directly with a cargo carrier?


It is hard because the airline generally likes to know what is being shipped and whether it is safe and legal. Especially if it is being placed in the cargo holds of passenger jets.

They would never accept a preloaded LD3/pallet from a non vetted source.
 
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Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:57 pm

Best thing to do would be to contact a couple of freight forwarding companies near you and tell them exactly what you will need to ship, and when, and they will let you know what you need to do and how much it will cost. And if they are not able to handle your specific cargo, they will almost certainly be able to suggest another company that can.

I doubt you will get the detailed answer you require on here, without disclosing too much commercially sensitive information.
 
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Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:04 pm

In addition to the post 9/11 "know your shipper" security concerns mentioned above, there's a great deal of government interest in collecting the appropriate customs duties on imports. If you are shipping LD3s, my understanding is there's very little way around using a bonded freight company.
 
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Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:07 pm

There are also many regulations, which you need to know exactly. Especially when shipping electronics, often accumulators are included and the goods need to be handled as dangerous goods, which means you need to do special documents, as well as label the shipment accordingly.

The prices are highly variable, as some freight forwarding companies offer higher quality service ( as the one I worked at ) and we offered everything from pre-carriage to the actual airfreight to the customs declaration and so on. Other are quite a bit cheaper, but in case of problems, the dealing can highly vary.

The easiest as said above is to contact one of the leading freight forwarders ( DHL, Kühne Nagel, Panalpina etc ) and let them forward you to the airfreight department.
Usually people are very helpful and can give you information about the process and soon after will quote you a price. To make it a bit easier, you can look at Incoterms before and check which one of them is suited best for you, that makes it a lot easier and faster.

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Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:11 pm

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There are also many regulations, which you need to know exactly. Especially when shipping electronics, often accumulators are included and the goods need to be handled as dangerous goods, which means you need to do special documents, as well as label the shipment accordingly.

The prices are highly variable, as some freight forwarding companies offer higher quality service ( as the one I worked at ) and we offered everything from pre-carriage to the actual airfreight to the customs declaration and so on. Other are quite a bit cheaper, but in case of problems, the dealing can highly vary.

The easiest as said above is to contact one of the leading freight forwarders ( DHL, Kühne Nagel, Panalpina etc ) and let them forward you to the airfreight department.
Usually people are very helpful and can give you information about the process and soon after will quote you a price. To make it a bit easier, you can look at Incoterms before and check which one of them is suited best for you, that makes it a lot easier and faster.

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Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:16 pm

For shipping Internationally may I suggest DHL as your first stop. They are about the best there is in terms of knowing the International shipping business. Even if their quote is out of your price range you will learn a lot. I no longer work for them but highly recommend their knowledge of international shipping requirements.
 
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Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:49 pm

What you are asking to do is essentially equivalent show up at the airport and board the plane without ever going through security.

Besides the point the airline industry historically has not set up to deal with the thousands of individual end shippers directly, as mentioned there is a well established protocol when it comes identifying what is being shipped, its source, the chain of custody and parties involved both for safety and security reasons.

Unless you are such a large organization that can find it worthwhile to meet the various international standards so you can ship your own container, you will need to work with either a freight forwarder, or a party like DHL / UPS / FedEx which can act both as the forwarded and air carrier in many cases.
Though I'd suspect from my experience a general freight forwarder would be cheaper as they are able to consolidate your goods with other goods headed in the same direction for better bulk pricing.
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Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:22 pm

DHL / UPS / FedEx provide a door to door service, and you will pay for that. A freight forwarder can set you up for airport to airport shipments.

If you are a member of a trade association ask them, specialist forwarders probably pitch them. Call some forwarders, stress consistent volume, an LD3 per week, EVERY week should get their attention.
 
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Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:45 pm

DHL is the worldwide leader in what you are looking for. Contact them. You won't pack your own LD3 and then do customs on your own. First off unless you are shipping from their hub (for DHL that would be LAX or CVG) it won't even start in an LD3 for the domestic flight since those are mostly 767s. It will go through the sorting facility, most likely in CVG and get repackaged before it goes on a 747 or 777 international flight. It then will end up on another plane depending on where you are shipping. It could go on a 737, 757, A300, 767, etc which again could involve changing containers or pallet configuration. It will then clear customs by DHL and then you will receive it either delivered or at the airport. Most flights are about 4-7 times per week so you don't need to break it down to once per week shipments.

Regarding price, you will have to contact them. Weight and volume matter. Don't expect to ship one prepacked LD-3. Tell them exactly what you are shipping. They will have suggestions on how to box it. Like others have said, consistent volume makes you a very appealing customer.
 
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Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:04 pm

I would agree with the posts above suggesting DHL as your best bet. For international shipments like what you're describing, they really are the leader. They pull all their cargo into CVG on domestic flights and send it out to their global hubs on 747s and 777s.

Another option may be UPS supply chain. They do some similar work.
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Mon Oct 17, 2016 6:09 pm

Unlikely to see an airline 'accept' a preloaded LD3 ever. This isn't a cargo ship. Dispatch will provide a load guide for the aircraft type and route. They load LD3's based on station weight for the aircraft's weight and balance.

An LD3 loaded for a 777 might have to be repacked for an A330 or vice versa.
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Mon Oct 17, 2016 6:20 pm

GolfBravoRomeo wrote:
DHL / UPS / FedEx provide a door to door service, and you will pay for that. A freight forwarder can set you up for airport to airport shipments.

If you are a member of a trade association ask them, specialist forwarders probably pitch them. Call some forwarders, stress consistent volume, an LD3 per week, EVERY week should get their attention.

You can get port-port service with the big boys, too. My company does that all the time with them.
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Mon Oct 17, 2016 6:34 pm

flyDTW1992 wrote:
I would agree with the posts above suggesting DHL as your best bet. For international shipments like what you're describing, they really are the leader. They pull all their cargo into CVG on domestic flights and send it out to their global hubs on 747s and 777s.

Another option may be UPS supply chain. They do some similar work.


FX sounds like the best option from Canada to Asia in my opinion. In terms of air service DHL is not strong in Canada.
 
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Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:03 pm

Download UPS Worldship, FedEx Ship manager or go online to DHL's website to ship anywhere in the world.........including freight.
 
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Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:05 pm

Lufthansa now offers myAirCargo.

It is intended for private individuals, but as I understand it, it shall work as a contact form to bring the Cargo Airlines closer and reduce these difficult regulations about getting something shipped by air cargo. Maybe call them ? They have a wide network across north america, asia and the middle east.

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Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:19 pm

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FX sounds like the best option from Canada to Asia in my opinion. In terms of air service DHL is not strong in Canada.

Canada? Isn't the OP talking about US to Asia?

A lot of depends really on where to where more specifically than "US to Asia."

FedEx is a good option for convenience, but both FTN and FedEx CC are pricey. The OP makes it sound like FedEx Freight Heavyweight International service is not a good idea, so there goes the economical option.

Expeditors is very strong in the transpac markets.
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Mon Oct 17, 2016 8:48 pm

If it helps, I think my employer has mostly been using Expeditors International after price shopping for a few years. We ship internationally sporadically, probably a couple times a month, usually handing off either a pallet or crate and having them take care of details of booking it. We also use Fed Ex or DHL for smaller or rushed shipments.

I don't deal with this directly, but I suspect as others have said, DHL will be the easiest to get started with, and one of the lesser known forwarders will be able to provide much better pricing long term.
 
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Mon Oct 17, 2016 9:09 pm

Yeah you will never find a carrier allow you to pack your own ULD and truck it to the airport.

ULD's have to be inspected by the carrier (both interior and exterior) for any structural defects or damage before each and every flight. Just for that reason, not even mentioning security and customs issues, I wouldn't expect to find a carrier willing to do that.
 
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Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:40 pm

Best thing to do might be to contact an air carrier's cargo marketing department. They might be able to walk you thru the process.
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Tue Oct 18, 2016 1:21 am

There's also TSA screening, which undoubtedly the OP's company isn't setup to do, so them packing the ULD doesn't wouldn't matter since it'll have to be screened to the case level (or whatever the basic packing unit is). Whoever is doing the screening (read: the freight forwarder you'll undoubtedly have to eventually choose) would have to restuff the container.
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Tue Oct 18, 2016 2:19 am

You can ship it directly with the air carrier just go drop it off at their cargo office and they will figure it out and load it for you.
 
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Tue Oct 18, 2016 3:19 am

32andBelow wrote:
You can ship it directly with the air carrier just go drop it off at their cargo office and they will figure it out and load it for you.




Not since 9/11 they won't.......now it's almost always a "known shipper" or some type of consolidator or freight forwarder.
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Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:57 am

To anwer the OP question : it would be difficult for the shippers and the Airlines if the services that freight forwarders provide would not exist on the market. For the shippers, the freight forwarders are the neutral agents between them and customs, Truckers, warehousing and Airlines and for the Airlines the freight forwarders are the specialists who deliver cargo "Ready for Carriage", taking a low of Tasks and worries away as facilitators and expert specialists in international trade and Multi modal carriage.

For most shippers, it would be inefficient to handle all these tasks themselves and for the airlines it would be inefficient as well to set up departments and hire People to do all the Jobs that a freight forwarder does for them.

Given, the Integrators have taken a big slice of the cake from the freight forwarders. But the latter have the Advantage that they offer individual Services while the Integrators mainly offer their Standards. I would recommend the OP to contact a freight forwarder in his area, be that K&N, Panalpina or a smaller Company. Small or large, they all have international contacts and offer individually, specialized Services at competetive rates.
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Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:01 am

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You can ship it directly with the air carrier just go drop it off at their cargo office and they will figure it out and load it for you.



If a shipper would take you by the word at a European Airport, the place would be closed down and Police would be all aover, figuring out what Kind of explosives are contained. The least it would Need is a shippers letter of instruction and don't Forget to provide the Driver with cash for immediate payment. Maybe he sends you a postcard from the carribbean, but that would be shippers risk.
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Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:11 pm

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Unlikely to see an airline 'accept' a preloaded LD3 ever. This isn't a cargo ship. Dispatch will provide a load guide for the aircraft type and route. They load LD3's based on station weight for the aircraft's weight and balance.

An LD3 loaded for a 777 might have to be repacked for an A330 or vice versa.


In the US Customers who are CCSF certified can tender Shipper Loaded ULDs.
 
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Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:52 pm

Many years ago when I was in airplane school, I took a course called Air Cargo Management.

I remember an exam question to this day, we had to calculate the cost to ship reptiles from an airport in Africa to the UK via some obscure airport. The test was timed and after calculating the chargeable weight , class, agricultural rules , mileage and everything else, there was a note for the obscure airport that the freight was connecting in that said **NO LIVE ANIMALS**

All that work calculating it on a timed exam for nothing, as the right answer was "live animals can't be transported on this route"

My point is its not a simple process, security ,dangerous goods, customs , taxes , tariffs , classes and many other things involved.

If you want to get an idea look at this document from United

http://www.unitedcargo.com/ShowFiles?fi ... -UA016.pdf

Most people tender their freight to a freight forwarder (who by the way can negotiate favorable terms) or even go to FedEx UPS DHL etc...
 
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Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:05 pm

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Most people tender their freight to a freight forwarder (who by the way can negotiate favorable terms) or even go to FedEx UPS DHL etc...

I know what you mean when you split out the parcel/express providers there, but I do want to reinforce (especially for the OP) that each of them has freight forwarding arms, as well. FedEx is easily the weakest and smallest of the three in that respect, but UPS and DHL both are titans in the global freight forwarding community. The benefit FedEx Trade Networks and FedEx Custom Critical bring is that they can utilize FedEx Express flights easily, so they have very good access to a lot of capacity... but you also pay a price for that.

UPS Supply Chain Solutions and DHL Global Forwarding are much more traditional in their operations, even though both are parts of corporate families that own and operate express cargo aircraft. Both are strong in air freight (which is an understatement for DHL GF, since they're the #1 air cargo forwarder in the world by a large margin).

Since the OP is talking about US to Asia, and without knowing any specifics about where in the US and where in Asia are the origin and destination, respectively, it's tough to say which of the big-boy freight forwarders are the best options. They all have various strengths and weaknesses.
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Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:22 pm

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Unlikely to see an airline 'accept' a preloaded LD3 ever. This isn't a cargo ship. Dispatch will provide a load guide for the aircraft type and route. They load LD3's based on station weight for the aircraft's weight and balance.

An LD3 loaded for a 777 might have to be repacked for an A330 or vice versa.




We did it all the time at DL cargo in SLC, even after 9/11. The shipper and/or the freight forwarder has to be approved, is all.
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Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:05 pm

cjg225 wrote:
b747400erf wrote:
FX sounds like the best option from Canada to Asia in my opinion. In terms of air service DHL is not strong in Canada.

Canada? Isn't the OP talking about US to Asia?

A lot of depends really on where to where more specifically than "US to Asia."

FedEx is a good option for convenience, but both FTN and FedEx CC are pricey. The OP makes it sound like FedEx Freight Heavyweight International service is not a good idea, so there goes the economical option.

Expeditors is very strong in the transpac markets.

The post confused me because she/he said "we are not based in the US"

But I read it again and they are going to ship the products from America.
 
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Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:50 pm

b747400erf wrote:
The post confused me because she/he said "we are not based in the US"

But I read it again and they are going to ship the products from America.

Ah, okay. I totally didn't make the connection between the OP's screen name and what you said. Sorry! haha
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Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:58 pm

I just went through this exact process for my company. We are shipping from Asia to the USA.

Like others said DHL is a good way to start. Be patient as you work with the sales teams at the forwarders. Be sure to have all the details on the goods before contacting them. Details include:

1. Dimensions - individual cartons or already palletized
2. Weight - including pallet itself
3. Total value of goods - needed for insurance and customs
4. Type of goods - for the US you will need the "HTS" code for the item. This will determine how much duty you need to pay
5. Pickup location - do you need door to door service? FOB?
6. Drop off location - do you need inside delivery? Do you have a loading dock?

There are other services out there that are better than DHL. DHL is good for a one time shipment, but if you're doing a lot of recurring shipments, you can find better options that will give you a better rate. PM me and I'll send you a name.
 
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Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:25 pm

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I just went through this exact process for my company. We are shipping from Asia to the USA.

Like others said DHL is a good way to start. Be patient as you work with the sales teams at the forwarders. Be sure to have all the details on the goods before contacting them. Details include:

1. Dimensions - individual cartons or already palletized
2. Weight - including pallet itself
3. Total value of goods - needed for insurance and customs
4. Type of goods - for the US you will need the "HTS" code for the item. This will determine how much duty you need to pay
5. Pickup location - do you need door to door service? FOB?
6. Drop off location - do you need inside delivery? Do you have a loading dock?

There are other services out there that are better than DHL. DHL is good for a one time shipment, but if you're doing a lot of recurring shipments, you can find better options that will give you a better rate. PM me and I'll send you a name.

Good list, but a few comments if the OP comes back to read this:

The OP is shipping US to Asia, so the HTS code is relevant for the AES filing, but they'll need the destination country's HS code for duties, if any.

This wouldn't be FOB if it's going Air. FOB is an ocean INCOTERM, and since it's international, the UCC version of FOB wouldn't apply, anyway. Besides, that's all up to the commercial agreement, assuming these are sales.

Another thing to consider is the goods being shipped. The OP says "high value" and 'tech startup," but those could mean a lot of different things. One consideration is the market, but another is the product. A forwarder has to know what they're doing both with the market lane and with the cargo itself. Different forwarders are stronger or weaker in various industry verticals.
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Wed Oct 19, 2016 7:31 am

It is not very difficult to ship on all-cargo carriers or passenger carriers for that matter without a forwarder. You would be known to the carrier as a direct shipper. I work in Cargo and many of my customers are first generation immigrants, some do not even speak English. While not difficult, it is not an quick process.

To start, check out several different airlines be it all-cargo or passenger (belly freight). Many air carrier websites have pages on how to become a "known shipper". Essentially you send an application with information on your business, what you will be shipping and where. This application goes to both the air carrier and the TSA. The "vetting" process usually takes between 4-6 weeks so if you need to ship immediately, as others have said, a freight forwarder works well. Once you are cleared by the TSA you can then set up an shipping account with the air carrier. Keep in mind you must apply with each airline you choose to ship with. For example, being a known shipper at AA does not make you a known shipper at DL.

Once you get an account set up you will usually get contacted by a sales rep that works out of the region you are shipping. Depending on the specifics of your freight, and the market in that region, negotiations on rates can be made.

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Wed Oct 19, 2016 7:35 am

I should add, that while becoming a "direct shipper" is not difficult, using a forwarder usually gives you the freedom to pit the different air carriers against one another for the best rates as well established forwarders have contracts with multiple airlines. If you decide to enter the air cargo game as a direct forwarder with an individual airline, that airline has more leeway to dictate the rates.
 
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Thu Mar 09, 2017 2:58 pm

Stumbled across this thread ... what did you end up going with?

AirbusCanada wrote:
We are starting a tech startup which needs to ship high value products from US to overseas customers, mostly in ASIA and Middle east.
Volume wise we are planning to ship one containers (LD3/Pallet) per week. Having come from high tech background, we assume we assumed we can just load our container, and drop it off at the airport, the airline will fly it to the destination airport. Once there, we take care of customs and other formalities.

To our surprise, airlines told us they won’t’ even give us a quote unless we have an Indirect Air Carrier certificate. In addition, we may need a IATA Freight Foreword license. We figured since we are not based in the US, so it might be difficult to get a Indirect Air Carrier certificate.

So we decided to outsource it to a reputable Freight Forwarder. Tryied to get a list of certified Freight Forwarder from IATA's Cargo link directory, but apparently there are over 30 different types of freight forwarders, not sure which type we would be needing.

We don’t ever have a quote yet, and the situation is very confusing already.

Does anyone has any idea how much would it cost to Air-ship one LD3 container/per week to ASIA from US?
Can anyone provide any guidance here, or is there any publications/books/websites/blogs/magazines we could read to guide us through the process?

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