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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Thu Feb 09, 2017 11:35 pm

I know, but we have people talking about "6-8tons" above.
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Fri Feb 10, 2017 5:11 am

WOW!

Boeing, better watch your back! The bandits are coming to get you!

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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:52 am

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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:52 pm

Here's another angle of the winglet:

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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:22 pm

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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:36 pm

keesje wrote:
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The reflection on the underside of the wing just inside the sharklets looks absolutely strange.

Noteworthy that the NEO gets the same "step" in the trailing part of the belly fairing that the A350 sports.
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Fri Feb 10, 2017 5:48 pm

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they should have done the brow line as fixed distance above the window frames.
( Maybe a bit higher even in the center.)
below the side windows the black mask should have gone deeper down.

But whatever. it is just for looks and doesn't help with flying.
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:31 pm

WIederling wrote:
keesje wrote:


they should have done the brow line as fixed distance above the window frames.
( Maybe a bit higher even in the center.)
below the side windows the black mask should have gone deeper down.

But whatever. it is just for looks and doesn't help with flying.


In the end its up to the airlines to paint the nose as they want to. Black, white or any other colour.
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Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:36 pm

My favorite one in that domain is the "Santa Road Kill Remains" :-)
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:09 pm

How about this for an hypothesis?

Airbus has a neo, but has a problem bridging the production gap until it's available. So it adds a load of weight that makes it uncompetitive at short range with the old model, and adds a new regional version dedicated to short ranges to their product offering.

With the production gap filled the neo turns out to be no heavier than the ceo.

Just a hypothesis, and totally un-proveable, but I'd just like to start my own conspiracy theory/fake news story.
 
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Sat Feb 11, 2017 12:17 am

kurtverbose wrote:
How about this for an hypothesis?

Airbus has a neo, but has a problem bridging the production gap until it's available. So it adds a load of weight that makes it uncompetitive at short range with the old model, and adds a new regional version dedicated to short ranges to their product offering.

With the production gap filled the neo turns out to be no heavier than the ceo.

Just a hypothesis, and totally un-proveable, but I'd just like to start my own conspiracy theory/fake news story.


Except all that "phantom weight" would have made it less competitive against the 787 on short missions.
 
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Sun Feb 12, 2017 11:40 am

Plus Airbus already bridged the production gap.
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Sun Feb 12, 2017 12:28 pm

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Noteworthy that the NEO gets the same "step" in the trailing part of the belly fairing that the A350 sports.


Not only the NEO, all the A330s have this. A340 as well.
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Sun Feb 12, 2017 12:49 pm

I think there's a lot of silence around the Trent 7000.

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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Sun Feb 12, 2017 12:57 pm

I was looking for an update on the 7000 yesterday and could find no recent update. All rather odd.
 
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Sun Feb 12, 2017 1:39 pm

Stitch wrote:
Except all that "phantom weight" would have made it less competitive against the 787 on short missions.


Yes, but they had the ceo for shorter missions, which they were still trying to sell.

KarelXWB wrote:
Plus Airbus already bridged the production gap.


They hadn't when they launched the neo.

Anyway, just a hypothesis. Would be good to get the real figures when they come out.
 
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Sun Feb 12, 2017 2:31 pm

I read that the engine is having problems (off an Instagram account) and delivery could be pushed far into 2018... let's hope the person doesn't know what they're talking about...
 
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Sun Feb 12, 2017 5:47 pm

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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Sun Feb 12, 2017 11:42 pm

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The article goes back to 2006, & a lot has changed in the interim. While taking nothing away from GE &
their GEnx offering, it wasn`t taken up subsequently ( may have been to detriment of GE & Prat offerings
& respective contracts with AB ). With RR outselling GE & Prat mainly due to more improvements, I guess
RR were in a good position to bargain for exclusivity on the A330neo. It`s doubtful even with a delay that
this will change. RR have put a lot into the T7000 with their very latest tech from both T1000-Ten & T-XWB,
so decent gains in economy at the very least are expected. Some above have suggested there`s a problem
with the engine, something that I`m not aware of. I`ve heard that RR are rather stretched with their production
output, & this is the cause of the delay. Hopefully this is correct, & T7000`s will be available very soon.
 
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Mon Feb 13, 2017 2:53 am

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I think there's a lot of silence around the Trent 7000.

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I just noticed that the Rolls Royce chart is showing the Trent 7000 as 10% more efficient than the Trent 700. Back when the A330neo was launched, Airbus showed a 11% improvement in efficiency from propulsion. Any idea why the number changed from 11 to 10? Or was it 10% all along?

. Further we have also not modeled the “Powerplant 11%” in full as the Trent 7000 gives 10% TSFC improvement and we do not understand where Airbus finds the last 1%.


https://leehamnews.com/2014/07/17/airbu ... rformance/

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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:12 am

Tedd wrote:
Some above have suggested there`s a problem
with the engine, something that I`m not aware of. I`ve heard that RR are rather stretched with their production
output, & this is the cause of the delay.


We've seen something similar with the A380 engine PIP for Mr. Clarke.
Nothing to report for a long time up until delivery was at the door. A burst of "The sky is falling for RR" news preparations.
.. some words from Mr. Clarke and then .... nothing.

My synopsis :
RR had some very minor issues,
there are forces busy trying to massively overblow these issues
but these entities seem not get as much traction as desired
and their window of opportunity closes fast on them.
.. wonder who those are ? :-)

In that context: anybody remember that neat little firework "Zero Point Energy" thing generated from an off the cuff statement from an Airbus ?CFO? .
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:30 am

Newbiepilot wrote:
keesje wrote:
I think there's a lot of silence around the Trent 7000.

http://www.rolls-royce.com/~/media/Imag ... 2646&w=630


I just noticed that the Rolls Royce chart is showing the Trent 7000 as 10% more efficient than the Trent 700. Back when the A330neo was launched, Airbus showed a 11% improvement in efficiency from propulsion. Any idea why the number changed from 11 to 10? Or was it 10% all along?

. Further we have also not modeled the “Powerplant 11%” in full as the Trent 7000 gives 10% TSFC improvement and we do not understand where Airbus finds the last 1%.


https://leehamnews.com/2014/07/17/airbu ... rformance/

https://leehamnews.com/wp-content/uploa ... -00-38.png


1%. what is 1% in scope of large achievements. :-)

If you have a moment of idle time you could go and find the 10..12% Boeing lost from 20++% advantage over "current generation competitors" and the real world examples of <8..10% advantage over comparable A330 at the time. :-)

Using single digit integer granularity for performance numbers where scraping one tenth percent is already worth real money defocuses things a bit.
Next thing I could think about is what you take as T700 baseline for improvement delta. Trent 700 is not a stationary target.
The EP2 package could provide that missing percent. ( a guess.)
http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/ ... -flow-back

apropos: at one time GE offered the GEnx-72A1 as a 13% improvement ( probably in relation to their own offer on the A330 : the CF80 ) https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 0s-208087/
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:09 am

I seriously doubt GE / Airbus will discuss a GENX at this stage. The engine is turning 10 yrs soon and RR has a kind of exclusivity. Still offering both GE and RR engines is a serious advantage for the 787, as discussed recently. https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1352139/#p19283371

This was the latest official comment I saw on the T7000
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/rolls-royce-a-little-bit-late-with-a330neo-engine-433057/

Two A330NEO gliders on the ramp looks like waste / schedule trouble. Bregier is trying to pour water on the issue. Would be interesting to know how he really feels. Maybe RR bluntly asked him what he prefers in 2017, more Trent XWB's or T7000s..
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:26 am

keesje wrote:
I seriously doubt GE / Airbus will discuss a GENX at this stage. The engine is turning 10 yrs soon and RR has a kind of exclusivity. Still offering both GE and RR engines is a serious advantage for the 787, as discussed recently. https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1352139/#p19283371

This was the latest official comment I saw on the T7000
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/rolls-royce-a-little-bit-late-with-a330neo-engine-433057/

Two A330NEO gliders on the ramp looks like waste / schedule trouble. Bregier is trying to pour water on the issue. Would be interesting to know how he really feels. Maybe RR bluntly asked him what he prefers in 2017, more Trent XWB's or T7000s..


.... and more T700s needed as well as 'ceo' production rate has increased.
 
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:33 am

AFAIK the T7000 development timeline was part dependent on that of the T1000 TEN which, when announced at the 2012 Farnborough Show was reported to have an EIS in the first half of 2016. I seem to recall that Boeing flight testing (on Z004?) only started last December so it should not be a surprise if the T7000 is a little late. The airframe guys have attracted plenty of media coverage when there have been recent program 'slippages', the engine suppliers rather less so (the exception being the much publicised PW GTF production issues).
 
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:03 am

I would agree with the above comment.The real slippage occurred with the 'ten'.It was bound to have a knock on effect.Having said that they will want to deliver those engines soon if they wish to avoid some bad PR.
Still worth getting it right rather than fast.As far as I am aware it's the last development of the Trent family architecture.(other than the potential development of (advance)carbon fan and casing as previously tested).
 
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Mon Feb 13, 2017 12:06 pm

keesje wrote:
I seriously doubt GE / Airbus will discuss a GENX at this stage.


A given. My finger was pointing at the 13% improvement vs ... offered.

Maybe RR bluntly asked him what he prefers in 2017, more Trent XWB's or T7000s..


Prototype engines and loading the manufacturing line : Is that really water from the same fount ?
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Mon Feb 13, 2017 1:07 pm

parapente wrote:
I would agree with the above comment.The real slippage occurred with the 'ten'.It was bound to have a knock on effect.Having said that they will want to deliver those engines soon if they wish to avoid some bad PR.
Still worth getting it right rather than fast.As far as I am aware it's the last development of the Trent family architecture.(other than the potential development of (advance)carbon fan and casing as previously tested).


I have heard similar things. Rolls Royce has also beem going through some cost cutting efforts. I saw this comment in the economist

The firm currently makes an initial loss of up to £2m on each and every engine it sells. More than 4,000 jobs have been culled (nearly a tenth of its workforce) and a third of cost centres have been eliminated.

http://www.economist.com/news/business/ ... t-its-only

The Trent 1000 has been dragging down Rolls Royce. According to this article, Rolls Royce has been focusing its resources on the Trent XWB, which could be having a knock on effect with the Trent 7000.

But Rolls’s true focus is the Trent XWB, a development of the Trent 1000 which is used on Airbus’s latest jet, the A350XWB – a direct rival to Boeing’s 787.

“Overall, the Trent XWB for the A350 is far more important for Rolls as they’re the sole source supplier,” Mr Bourne said.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/201 ... 0-engines/
 
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Mon Feb 13, 2017 1:26 pm

Lot's of speculation as usual. Trent 7000 development is in full swing. RR completed the first first ground tests in May 2016 (photos below) and started assembling the first flight-test engines immediately after. These engines will be installed on the first A330neo prototype very shortly. The term 'glider' is just wrong, everyone knows Airbus installs the engines after final assembly to avoid huge inventory costs. And yes the schedule slipped a bit because the Trent 1000-TEN was delayed, but that doesn't mean they lost grip on the program.

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Maybe RR bluntly asked him what he prefers in 2017, more Trent XWB's or T7000s.


That's not how the relationship between RR and Airbus works. We're talking about professional companies here. RR fully committed to the Trent 7000 and will deliver.
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Mon Feb 13, 2017 1:29 pm

keesje wrote:
I seriously doubt GE / Airbus will discuss a GENX at this stage. The engine is turning 10 yrs soon and RR has a kind of exclusivity. Still offering both GE and RR engines is a serious advantage for the 787, as discussed recently. https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1352139/#p19283371

This was the latest official comment I saw on the T7000
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/rolls-royce-a-little-bit-late-with-a330neo-engine-433057/

Two A330NEO gliders on the ramp looks like waste / schedule trouble. Bregier is trying to pour water on the issue. Would be interesting to know how he really feels. Maybe RR bluntly asked him what he prefers in 2017, more Trent XWB's or T7000s..


You really don't make sense man, 3-4 post ahead of this you said "Maybe GE should offer the GEnx" then you post this.
 
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:04 pm

ikolkyo, it's speculation on things we don't know. That's why words like Maybe, doubt, looks like, would be, kind of, feels, is trying, are used. :thumbsup:
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:10 am

As per Delta's 10-K released today, DL will receive 4x A330-900neo in 2019.
 
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:55 am

RR needs to balance the success of its engine programs. Too much positive noise around the 7000 is not helping the Ten. Just be patient a bit...
 
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:44 pm

Newbiepilot wrote:
kmz wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:

The new engine is not yet in flight testing.


Thanks

Are new engines normally not tested on some testairframe?

Engines are usually tested on a 747 or other four engine plane. The the Trent XWB was test flown on an A380 in February 2012 more than two years before the first A350 delivery. Obviously the A330neo is on a tighter development schedule.


Rolls-Royce today revealed that the Trent 7000 won't be tested on a 747 testbed. It will be installed & certified directly on the A330neo testbed.
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:47 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Newbiepilot wrote:
kmz wrote:

Thanks

Are new engines normally not tested on some testairframe?

Engines are usually tested on a 747 or other four engine plane. The the Trent XWB was test flown on an A380 in February 2012 more than two years before the first A350 delivery. Obviously the A330neo is on a tighter development schedule.


Rolls-Royce today revealed that the Trent 7000 won't be tested on a 747 testbed. It will be installed & certified directly on the A330neo testbed.


Perhaps Airbus learning from the issue with different mounting arrangement on a 747 for the A320neo engines?
 
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:51 pm

Dardania wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
Newbiepilot wrote:
Engines are usually tested on a 747 or other four engine plane. The the Trent XWB was test flown on an A380 in February 2012 more than two years before the first A350 delivery. Obviously the A330neo is on a tighter development schedule.


Rolls-Royce today revealed that the Trent 7000 won't be tested on a 747 testbed. It will be installed & certified directly on the A330neo testbed.


Perhaps Airbus learning from the issue with different mounting arrangement on a 747 for the A320neo engines?

I would think RR would be the one primarily in charge of coming up with the testing arrangement. I suspect going directly to the A330neo testbed it is a mixture of the Trent 7000 being based heavily off the the 1000 TEN so less testing needing and being under a time crunch to get testing done by the end of the yearish.
 
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:59 pm

Yes it's interesting they will skip the 747 testbed. Even the Trent 1000-TEN was tested on a 747, and that was just a Trent 1000 update.

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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Thu Feb 16, 2017 2:04 pm

This article from May 2016 indicated that since the Trent 7000 is so similar to the Trent 1000 and since that engine will have already flown on the 747 test plane and 787, no Trent 7000 testbed installation engine is required.

http://www.envirotrec.ca/rolls-readies- ... st-engine/

“It is quite a tight program on the Trent 7000 because Airbus wanted to get the aircraft into production as quickly as they could, but in terms of technical activity it’s fairly low-risk,” says Johnston. Compared to the Trent 1000 TEN, the engine differences are “as few as humanly possible. It is one of the few examples where we have two engines with even the same part numbers. There are changes for the interface on the aircraft, or where that interface forces a change in the engine,” he adds.

And later the following

Because of the limited changes, only four development engines are required for the Trent 7000 test program. The first of these, 7001, first ran last November and has since completed an altitude test campaign at Arnold Engineering Development Center in Tullahoma, Tennessee. These were aimed at verifying specific fuel consumption (sfc), in addition to general icing tests. “It was something Airbus was keen on doing, though we have never had an icing problem. The recent [General Electric] GEnx icing issues sharpened Airbus interest, and because the inlet is slightly different from the Trent 1000 inlet aerodynamics they couldn’t take previous icing results and say it was OK,” says Johnston. Tests showed “we are on track for sfc and there were no discoveries that gave us pause for thought.”
The second engine, dubbed L73, is “ready to go and is now attached to the test pylon,” he says. The engine will be used for functional and operability testing and will be accompanied by the type test engine, L72, currently undergoing module build. Parts for the fourth engine, L74, are currently coming together in Derby, England. The engine will join the test program later this year and be used to perform cyclic and ETOPS work. “We are also just getting ready to build the first two flight-test engines. Airbus will have seven flight-test engines altogether, but they won’t use the A380 flying testbed. The TEN will have flown on our [Boeing] 747 and the 787 before the Trent 7000 flies on the A330, so Airbus does not need a safety-of-flight check,” he adds.
 
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:03 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Rolls-Royce today revealed that the Trent 7000 won't be tested on a 747 testbed. It will be installed & certified directly on the A330neo testbed.


Will both engines be 7000s, or will one be a 7000 and one a 700?
 
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:15 pm

Stitch wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
Rolls-Royce today revealed that the Trent 7000 won't be tested on a 747 testbed. It will be installed & certified directly on the A330neo testbed.


Will both engines be 7000s, or will one be a 7000 and one a 700?


Then they would have to modify an A330NEO wing / pylon to carry a -700.. :scratchchin:
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:50 am

As per its 10K filed earlier today, Hawaiian Airlines is scheduled to receive its A330-800neos as follows:
2x 2019
2x 2020
2x 2021

That 2019 date is certainly coming up fast for a variant who's test frame is nowhere close to being built!
 
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Sat Feb 18, 2017 4:07 am

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
As per its 10K filed earlier today, Hawaiian Airlines is scheduled to receive its A330-800neos as follows:
2x 2019
2x 2020
2x 2021

That 2019 date is certainly coming up fast for a variant who's test frame is nowhere close to being built!



Those test frames are MSN1859 and MSN1866, that is about 90 frames away. Not in the FAL, but being build.
 
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Sat Feb 18, 2017 5:41 am

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Perhaps Airbus learning from the issue with different mounting arrangement on a 747 for the A320neo engines?

Missed that one. What was the issue there?
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:06 am

LAX772LR wrote:
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Perhaps Airbus learning from the issue with different mounting arrangement on a 747 for the A320neo engines?

Missed that one. What was the issue there?


Can't find the exact post now, but the P&W GTF apparently had bowing / thermal issues
viewtopic.php?t=776651

And the conjecture at the time was it would have been spotted sooner in testing if the test bed aircraft had the same engine mounting arrangement to the A320neo
 
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Wed Mar 01, 2017 1:54 am

It seem first flight is delayed from spring to summer.

As expected the T7000 seems to be the problem.

Extra 2016 R&D charges for RR were attributed partly to the T7000.

http://www.handelsblatt.com/unternehmen/handel-konsumgueter/a330neo-airbus-rechnet-erst-im-sommer-mit-erstflug/19452382.html
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Sat Mar 04, 2017 5:27 pm

It seems 4 NEO's were cancelled in February. https://investir.lesechos.fr/actions/actualites/airbus-n-a-recu-aucune-commande-et-subi-10-annulations-en-fevrier-1648407.php

Rolls Marketing apparently feels the T7000 can use some positive press / communication: New video, nice look at assembly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPKdoZEhe9A without any indications on schedule.. Can anyone estimate from the video / assembly stage where RR stands with the T7000? It seems a very recent video.

Rolls keeps on emphasizing the T7000 build on T700 reliability and reputations. Technically that's a bit of non-sense of course. It's a T1000 derivative (as said in video) which is an entirely new design from the T700.
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Sat Mar 04, 2017 6:31 pm

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An inevitability, Transasia went out of business, so that's just housekeeping. Only 6 A330-800s on order now.
 
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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:36 pm

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This is one of two flying test engines under assembly, that will be delivered to Airbus

Where two NEO prototypes are out off the paint shop already.

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Sorry for including the two folks, probably 2 of the finest assembly guys RR has, working shifts under pressure.

I assume this video has been shot second half of February to satisfy the need for updates from investors, customers, a.net etc.

;)

I'm no expert but this engine seems far from complete (accessories, control boxes etc) and would need serious testing and verification after that.

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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:49 pm

and would need serious testing and verification after that


Engine validation happens in their air; the flying test engines will go straight on the A330neo aircraft.

Ground testing started in 2015 and was completed in early 2016 (photo below).

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Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

Sun Mar 05, 2017 7:54 pm

The T7000 flying test engines will go straight to the test cell for ground tests first.. The question is, were changes made as a result of earlier ground testing?
A lot of R&D and development costs were attributed to the T7000 in 2016. Probably as a result of the ground tests.If things change there was a reason & new testing might be required.

Because the T1000 thrust generating technology seems pretty mature at this stage differences on bleed extraction (existing T1000 compressor bleed air ports?) or the reduced mechanical power extraction (compared to T1000/787) might be in the game. Or new engine mountings.
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