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Bombardier cutting more jobs (7500) worldwide.

Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:01 am

2000 of those are in Canada, including 1500 in Québec from what I've just heard on air.

http://globalnews.ca/news/3017508/bomba ... worldwide/
 
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Re: Bombardier cutting more jobs (7500) worldwide.

Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:18 am

" new jobs will be added in low-cost countries "
 
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Fri Oct 21, 2016 4:39 pm

Wonder what the air vs. rail division breakdown is? Obviously the 1,500 in Quebec are likely all air.
 
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Re: Bombardier cutting more jobs (7500) worldwide.

Fri Oct 21, 2016 5:00 pm

According to French news article "half" of cuts are being made in rail division which has large staff numbers in Europe.

This latest cut comes after 7,000 eliminations announced in February.
 
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Re: Bombardier cutting more jobs (7500) worldwide.

Fri Oct 21, 2016 9:25 pm

mercure1 wrote:
According to French news article "half" of cuts are being made in rail division which has large staff numbers in Europe.

This latest cut comes after 7,000 eliminations announced in February.


Swiss reports (nzz.ch) even say that the "MAJOROTY" of cuts will affect Berlin-based Bombardier Transportation, which means the railway branch. Of course they do mention the never-ending problems at Montréal (Bombardie Aviation) but they also published a nice Reuters photograph.

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Re: Bombardier cutting more jobs (7500) worldwide.

Fri Oct 21, 2016 9:41 pm

I haven't followed their rail division, but it's been treated as fairly common knowledge on A.net for years that Bombardier's bread and butter is their rail division. Have they been losing ground in recent years to other rail competitors?
 
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Re: Bombardier cutting more jobs (7500) worldwide.

Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:56 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
Wonder what the air vs. rail division breakdown is? Obviously the 1,500 in Quebec are likely all air.


Shortly after the announcement today, it was said 2/3 in rail and 1/3 in aeronautics.
 
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Re: Bombardier cutting more jobs (7500) worldwide.

Fri Oct 21, 2016 11:04 pm

Congratulations unions, mission accomplished!

"We demand to be paid what we are worth!"

"Ok, bye."
 
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Fri Oct 21, 2016 11:38 pm

ContentCreator wrote:
Congratulations unions, mission accomplished!

"We demand to be paid what we are worth!"

"Ok, bye."


Did the unions design the undersized C-Series?

:roll:

Bombardier had great market share in the RJ business. Their leadership squandered it away. Either failed to innovate (CRJ) or innovated poorly (C series) and it falls squarely on managements shoulders.
 
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Re: Bombardier cutting more jobs (7500) worldwide.

Fri Oct 21, 2016 11:48 pm

ContentCreator wrote:
Congratulations unions, mission accomplished!

"We demand to be paid what we are worth!"

"Ok, bye."


Yeah, how dare they demand just wages! Greedy SOBs, don't they know that trickle down economics will work this time[?
 
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Re: Bombardier cutting more jobs (7500) worldwide.

Fri Oct 21, 2016 11:51 pm

AerolineasAR343 wrote:
ContentCreator wrote:
Congratulations unions, mission accomplished!

"We demand to be paid what we are worth!"

"Ok, bye."


Yeah, how dare they demand just wages! Greedy SOBs, don't they know that trickle down economics will work this time[?


They can demand it all they want...this is what happens when they are too greedy. More competitive wages vs no job at all. GREAT LOGIC.
 
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Re: Bombardier cutting more jobs (7500) worldwide.

Sat Oct 22, 2016 3:33 pm

Austerity in Europe means much less orders for new rail stock. Alstom and Siemens are also in trouble with their rail divisions.
 
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Sun Oct 23, 2016 5:22 am

I never felt BBD understood the airline business, even at a relatively basic level. Even in terms of how their own CRJ were deployed,at customer airlines. Yet, the CR7 is a great bird that still bring strong lease prices according to another thread here.

It seems inexplicable that they have still not introduced a CS500.
 
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Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:59 am

Flighty wrote:
It seems inexplicable that they have still not introduced a CS500.


I'm no expert but I thought Bombardier intentionally went with the CS100-300 size market because they didn't want to compete directly with Boeing 737 / Airbus A320 series.
 
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Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:09 pm

Aesma wrote:
Austerity in Europe means much less orders for new rail stock. Alstom and Siemens are also in trouble with their rail divisions.

Sorry, but that is nothing short of a bogus excuse from BD management (if that's what they've said).
Austerity measures are not in place ALL over Europe anymore and especially in south Europe that only lead to Greece buying Chinese trams and Spain switching from Alstom to local CAF for regional trains.
Bombardier is still one of the major players in the market and probably has sold more rolling stock than anyone else in the world.

So the axing in the rail department makes very little sense indeed. But maybe the aeronautics engineers at Mirabel can design good subways too... we will see. But since they are still hiring German engineers, my personal guess is that they will simply move all production (labor intensive) plants to India and China.

The C-series is essentially a CRJ with a decent sized cabin, so they will sell, once they have proved they can fly a range of missions.
 
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Re: Bombardier cutting more jobs (7500) worldwide.

Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:14 pm

Flighty wrote:
I never felt BBD understood the airline business, even at a relatively basic level. Even in terms of how their own CRJ were deployed,at customer airlines. Yet, the CR7 is a great bird that still bring strong lease prices according to another thread here.

It seems inexplicable that they have still not introduced a CS500.

Presumably due to money. The company and its backers will want some return from the CS100 and CS300 before sinking more money into any stretch.

"Build it and they will come" is arrogant presumption at best. There has to be cashflow and then a defined market for the plane, and that's by no means given.
 
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Mon Oct 24, 2016 12:46 am

Stratofish wrote:

The C-series is essentially a CRJ with a decent sized cabin, so they will sell, once they have proved they can fly a range of missions.


The C Series is nothing like the CRJ in any way.
 
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Mon Oct 24, 2016 1:17 pm

ContentCreator wrote:
AerolineasAR343 wrote:
ContentCreator wrote:
Congratulations unions, mission accomplished!

"We demand to be paid what we are worth!"

"Ok, bye."


Yeah, how dare they demand just wages! Greedy SOBs, don't they know that trickle down economics will work this time[?


They can demand it all they want...this is what happens when they are too greedy. More competitive wages vs no job at all. GREAT LOGIC.


What would you define as 'more competitive wages'? Minimum wage? What do you define as 'too greedy'? You must have some kind of intimate knowledge as to what non-management wages are like at Bombardier.

These layoffs (at least on the aviation side) have everything to do with the old management team's incompetence at delivering the CSeries anywhere near on time and their total unwillingness to book the first 50 frames to a major customer at a loss (i.e. the old first mover advantage strategy that BBD refused to do) to get the orders flowing in....BBD thought they had the big UA order in the bag and lost to 20 year old 73G Boeing technology.

Now that BBD's new management team have snagged two large orders from major customers (i.e. AC & DL) the CSeries finally has the credible orders it's needed for the past 5 years vs. the former management's phantom Republic order and orders from paper napkin airlines.

I think this latest round of cuts at Bombardier is likely the last....assuming the CRJ line survives. The Q400 line looks like it's stabilized even though it's still getting trounced by the ATR family.
 
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Re: Bombardier cutting more jobs (7500) worldwide.

Mon Oct 24, 2016 1:35 pm

Bombardier already underpays engineers and likely colludes with the remaining big aerospace in Montreal (CAE, P&WC, Bell...) to keep it that way. That's why you have a diaspora of them working in Seattle, Japan, California, etc... all the good ones seek greener pastures eventually.

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