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Is Sun Country in a league of its own?

Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:06 pm

Sun country truly is in a league of its own. Operating only one hub with 22 737-ng with first class, proving a full service carrier competing with the legacies. Who would take over sun country? Any new plans for fleet, flights or destinations?
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Re: Is sun country in a league of its own?

Fri Oct 21, 2016 9:04 pm

Maybe a few international flights out of SBN with the new US Customs facility set to open.
 
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Re: Is sun country in a league of its own?

Fri Oct 21, 2016 9:24 pm

SY has four 737-800 coming for this winter charter season, from HV. SY has used 737 from them since winter of 2002/03. They area great little airline, with employees who work very hard to give passengers a good flying experience.
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Re: Is sun country in a league of its own?

Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:05 pm

A friend of mine is a long time flight attendant for SY and I've been on a few MSP - SJU, SXM, LAS or CUN flights when she's been working them. SY really is a wonderful airline to fly. The employees go way beyond what is expected to assist passengers, whether it's a snafu at the check-in counter or on board their flights. I've been a regular customer (2+ flights per year) for the last decade and I'll always go with SY if they serve a destination that I could just as well book with Delta. They should be starting up their two recently awarded Cuba destinations, sometime early in 2017. They've been either very lucky or very ignored by competitors and/or potential suitors and left alone to just do their thing and do it very well. Aside from wishing for a few more domestic and international routes, I'm glad they are financially healthy and hope that the Davis family holds on to the airline and continues to grow it smart and steady. I've already got my next two separate SY trips booked for this winter.
 
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Re: Is sun country in a league of its own?

Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:14 pm

I've always wondered about them. I thought Alaska was going to buy them about before they targeted VX. It's been a little fantasy of mine that they should build a Caribbean/Florida/Mexico hub at MSY.
 
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Re: Is sun country in a league of its own?

Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:21 pm

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I've always wondered about them. I thought Alaska was going to buy them about before they targeted VX. It's been a little fantasy of mine that they should build a Caribbean/Florida/Mexico hub at MSY.


They have no assets to actually purchase if I'm not mistaken. The only reason to buy them is to kill them as a competitor but you're not actually purchasing anything of value when you buy them. Frankly, it would be hard to get a bank to finance that kind of transaction. You would be paying for virtually no hard assets. Everything from gates to planes are leased. SY exists because they have good fares and great brand recognition in the Twin Cities. Also the Twin Cities is the perfect market. It's in or near the top 5 wealthiest metros in the US with awful winter weather that results in high demand for leisure travel. SY fits that niche perfectly.

DL is the only airline that could possibly want to buy them and that's just to get rid of them. And DL is doing quite fine from MSP. As long as SY doesn't threaten DL's dominance of corporate travel, SY can happily continue to operate in the leisure markets.

And frankly, if SY were to disappear, Spirit and Frontier would quickly ramp up their operations to fill in the void. MSP is fortunate that SY has a much better product than those two.
 
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Re: Is sun country in a league of its own?

Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:23 pm

InselMotherFokk wrote:

Sun country truly is in a league of its own. Operating only one hub with 22 737-ng with first class, proving a full service carrier competing with the legacies. Who would take over sun country? Any new plans for fleet, flights or destinations?


Sun Country manages to stay under the radar for some reason and has been around in one form or another since 1983. So probably the longest lived post-deregulation startup. I for one would love to see SY open a new base somewhere, but the focus on MSP seems to work for them. I don't really see them as a takeover target except they would make a great acquisition for someone like B6 if they wanted an instant hub in flyover country.

The seasonal aspect of much of their flying would preclude a takeover unless the purchaser made a year-round commitment to a proper MSP hub. And who knows what DL's response would be. There was some A-net speculation that AS "might" buy SY when DL began their SEA assault, but VX was apparently more attractive.

There are still a few markets around that might benefit from an SY focus city, and its always possible someone at SY might decide to go the ULCC route and make it 4 for the US.

I miss seeing their DC-10s in STL that were around for MAC charters. They even had the odd Florida routes out of here briefly, but F9 and WN have that covered.
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Re: Is sun country in a league of its own?

Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:58 pm

klakzky123 wrote:
[They have no assets to actually purchase if I'm not mistaken. The only reason to buy them is to kill them as a competitor but you're not actually purchasing anything of value when you buy them. Frankly, it would be hard to get a bank to finance that kind of transaction. You would be paying for virtually no hard assets.


Kind of like a smaller VX?
 
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Re: Is sun country in a league of its own?

Fri Oct 21, 2016 11:10 pm

OzarkD9S wrote:
InselMotherFokk wrote:

Sun country truly is in a league of its own. Operating only one hub with 22 737-ng with first class, proving a full service carrier competing with the legacies. Who would take over sun country? Any new plans for fleet, flights or destinations?


Sun Country manages to stay under the radar for some reason and has been around in one form or another since 1983. So probably the longest lived post-deregulation startup. I for one would love to see SY open a new base somewhere, but the focus on MSP seems to work for them. I don't really see them as a takeover target except they would make a great acquisition for someone like B6 if they wanted an instant hub in flyover country.

The seasonal aspect of much of their flying would preclude a takeover unless the purchaser made a year-round commitment to a proper MSP hub. And who knows what DL's response would be. There was some A-net speculation that AS "might" buy SY when DL began their SEA assault, but VX was apparently more attractive.

There are still a few markets around that might benefit from an SY focus city, and its always possible someone at SY might decide to go the ULCC route and make it 4 for the US.

Isn't DFW considered a focus city for SY? I wished I tried SY out when I lived in the Dallas area.
 
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Re: Is sun country in a league of its own?

Fri Oct 21, 2016 11:12 pm

klakzky123 wrote:
msycajun wrote:
I've always wondered about them. I thought Alaska was going to buy them about before they targeted VX. It's been a little fantasy of mine that they should build a Caribbean/Florida/Mexico hub at MSY.


They have no assets to actually purchase if I'm not mistaken. The only reason to buy them is to kill them as a competitor but you're not actually purchasing anything of value when you buy them. Frankly, it would be hard to get a bank to finance that kind of transaction. You would be paying for virtually no hard assets. Everything from gates to planes are leased. SY exists because they have good fares and great brand recognition in the Twin Cities. Also the Twin Cities is the perfect market. It's in or near the top 5 wealthiest metros in the US with awful winter weather that results in high demand for leisure travel. SY fits that niche perfectly.

DL is the only airline that could possibly want to buy them and that's just to get rid of them. And DL is doing quite fine from MSP. As long as SY doesn't threaten DL's dominance of corporate travel, SY can happily continue to operate in the leisure markets.

And frankly, if SY were to disappear, Spirit and Frontier would quickly ramp up their operations to fill in the void. MSP is fortunate that SY has a much better product than those two.


This is pretty spot-on from what I learned from previous discussions about SY. It's a nice little airline that serves a niche, but there's really not much to get out of them if another airline ever tried to buy them. I feel like their humble business model would work in very few/any markets outside of MSP as a hub.

I also don't think VX is the best comparison to SY, as VX is a little more business-oriented with its transcon routes and holds assets in the highly competitive SFO and LAX.
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Re: Is sun country in a league of its own?

Fri Oct 21, 2016 11:12 pm

I wonder if they'll ever order larger aircraft or new aircraft outright. The embraer 190 family would be ideal for them
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Re: Is sun country in a league of its own?

Fri Oct 21, 2016 11:47 pm

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I wonder if they'll ever order larger aircraft or new aircraft outright. The embraer 190 family would be ideal for them


Why? They only fly trunk routes. The 737 has a lower CASM.

I seriously doubt they could afford another fleet type.
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Re: Is sun country in a league of its own?

Fri Oct 21, 2016 11:59 pm

They tried transatlantic flights to London a few years ago. Had a technical stop in Gander. If they want to venture into that market they need an aircraft with range to do that nonstop.
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Re: Is sun country in a league of its own?

Sat Oct 22, 2016 12:14 am

Those buying tickets didn't seem to mind the tech stop. Those flights went out full and were only around say 10/12 weeks.

The sole purpose for their existence was slack in fleet utilization at the time and SC was looking to try something fun at the time. So they did.
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Sat Oct 22, 2016 1:58 am

They are a neat airline it'd be cool to try someday (maybe from DFW?). However, their business model is so unique with mainly leisure markets served with first class. If I had to guess about a buyer, I'd guess WN as a way to get into the MSP market further but that's not something they cannot do on their own
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Re: Is sun country in a league of its own?

Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:09 am

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Those buying tickets didn't seem to mind the tech stop. Those flights went out full and were only around say 10/12 weeks.

The sole purpose for their existence was slack in fleet utilization at the time and SC was looking to try something fun at the time. So they did.

The purpose wasn't to do something fun, it was to prove to the DOD they could do it and snag some troop transport contracts.
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Re: Is sun country in a league of its own?

Sat Oct 22, 2016 2:36 am

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stlgph wrote:
Those buying tickets didn't seem to mind the tech stop. Those flights went out full and were only around say 10/12 weeks.

The sole purpose for their existence was slack in fleet utilization at the time and SC was looking to try something fun at the time. So they did.

The purpose wasn't to do something fun, it was to prove to the DOD they could do it and snag some troop transport contracts.


They didn't have anything to prove, they were already certified. It was more of a "look what we did" for all charter contracts.
Once the certification came it was either go to Hawaii or go to London. More slack in the fleet in the summer, so London it was.
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Re: Is sun country in a league of its own?

Sat Oct 22, 2016 3:16 am

im based here at kennedy and from what I hear, they do well no matter what. How does this airline survive? Do we see any other subfleets or types in the future?
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Re: Is sun country in a league of its own?

Sat Oct 22, 2016 5:02 am

stlgph wrote:
Those buying tickets didn't seem to mind the tech stop. Those flights went out full and were only around say 10/12 weeks.

The sole purpose for their existence was slack in fleet utilization at the time and SC was looking to try something fun at the time. So they did.

Why did they stop the flight then?
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Sat Oct 22, 2016 6:00 am

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stlgph wrote:
Those buying tickets didn't seem to mind the tech stop. Those flights went out full and were only around say 10/12 weeks.

The sole purpose for their existence was slack in fleet utilization at the time and SC was looking to try something fun at the time. So they did.

Why did they stop the flight then?


The obvious. No more slack in fleet.
Cambria took over in 2011 and wasn't excited about having planes sit in London for 28 hours.
Charter business picked up, more scheduled summer frequencies to places such as San Francisco, New York Kennedy, Boston, etc. and other sprinkled flight frequencies throughout the system, seeing as how they literally adjust their schedule on a week by week basis, as a way to build on business flyer traffic.
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Re: Is sun country in a league of its own?

Sat Oct 22, 2016 6:45 am

Sun Country is owned by a Minnesota-based company Cambria. Cambria is in turn owned by the Davis family and not by the shareholders. Probably this helps them to get more financing than if they were a PTC.
 
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Re: Is sun country in a league of its own?

Sat Oct 22, 2016 7:01 am

Anybody know how many flights they operate per day at MSP on average, or what their peak-day operation is like?
 
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Sat Oct 22, 2016 7:03 am

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Kind of like a smaller VX?


Not at all like VX. Sun Country is financially successful.
 
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Sat Oct 22, 2016 7:14 am

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Anybody know how many flights they operate per day at MSP on average, or what their peak-day operation is like?


Their schedules are posted online, on a weekly basis and change on a weekly basis.
Unfortunately they redesigned their website and have made them more difficult to read, particularly across the network, but the schedules are there.
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Re: Is sun country in a league of its own?

Sat Oct 22, 2016 11:01 am

In addition to their small scheduled network, don't forget SCX also does many sports, casino, and military charters as well.
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Sat Oct 22, 2016 11:05 am

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Maybe a few international flights out of SBN with the new US Customs facility set to open.


Meaning Mexico, Central America, Caribbean, etc I assume?
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Sat Oct 22, 2016 1:08 pm

Occasionally, I see an SY 737 at FLL that runs casino flights to Gulfport, MS; in fact they even have a sign outside of terminal 1.
 
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Sat Oct 22, 2016 3:02 pm

One interesting thing about SY is transcontinental flights. Every time I fly from SFO or BOS (or JFK), I'm always shocked by the number of people on the flight that are connecting. I've never priced out those flights but I'm guessing they're a pretty competitive option for transcontinental routes. Plus the MSP layover is pretty small, they clearly time the flights around connections which is pretty cool.
 
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Sat Oct 22, 2016 3:30 pm

klakzky123 wrote:
One interesting thing about SY is transcontinental flights. Every time I fly from SFO or BOS (or JFK), I'm always shocked by the number of people on the flight that are connecting. I've never priced out those flights but I'm guessing they're a pretty competitive option for transcontinental routes. Plus the MSP layover is pretty small, they clearly time the flights around connections which is pretty cool.


Their only destinations that are 100% O/D are STT and SXM.
 
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Re: Is sun country in a league of its own?

Sat Oct 22, 2016 3:55 pm

Sun Country has always been such an enigma.

It's been around forever, and has hidden itself in the cracks of the Midwest for decades. Even after so many hardships like post 9/11 aviation, they've still managed to stay afloat. I've never even seen one of their aircraft in operation before, but they must be getting customers somehow.

To add to the mystery, their parent company makes... kitchen countertops???
 
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Sat Oct 22, 2016 4:15 pm

klakzky123 wrote:
One interesting thing about SY is transcontinental flights. Every time I fly from SFO or BOS (or JFK), I'm always shocked by the number of people on the flight that are connecting. I've never priced out those flights but I'm guessing they're a pretty competitive option for transcontinental routes. Plus the MSP layover is pretty small, they clearly time the flights around connections which is pretty cool.


I actually had to purchase a last minute LAS-JFK flight once. SY in business class was almost the same price as the legacies in coach so i gave them a shot. It was actually really nice. I enjoyed it, very nice service and product. Seemed like a a really well run and professional airline. I would definitely fly them more if i were in the MSP area.

Do they have plans to expand or just happy where they are making money? They have a nice niche and no one seems to bother them too much. I almost think they are good to stay as they are just boost MSP a little with more connections.
 
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Re: Is sun country in a league of its own?

Sat Oct 22, 2016 4:15 pm

Excellent airline and generally good staff. Loved flying with them out of the Humphrey terminal a few times. Seems to me that staying small and niche-like has helped them throughout the years. My guess is that the leisure-heavy markets out of MSP, especially Mexico, are easy for them to cater to with low prices, especially when the flights are packaged with hotels. They remind me a lot of Thomas Cook. That makes SY very unique in the States; we still tend to fly the legacies when going on vacation, and Americans still lag behind their European counterparts when it comes to purchasing packages. They often take shorter trips, and that can make it hard for the package industry to guarantee occupancy.
 
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Sat Oct 22, 2016 4:36 pm

Those flights to London, was done for ETOPS cert. due to their 737 fleet vs when they had the DC-10. They had to prove ETOPS for DOD charters. They did a couple west coast to Japan DOD flights . more like a hop skip n jump across the pacific. For the Record I am a former SY employee. 1995 to 2006.
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Sat Oct 22, 2016 5:19 pm

tjwgrr wrote:
freakyrat wrote:
Maybe a few international flights out of SBN with the new US Customs facility set to open.


Meaning Mexico, Central America, Caribbean, etc I assume?


Probably Cancun and the Bahamas as Allegiant isn't ready yet to go scheduled International. Airport will start to negotiate with several carriers now that the FIS is completed. They want to establish service to Cancun first and have the marketing data that Cancun willl be successful. Sun Country Laughlin charters are well established at SBN and my bet is on them doing these seasonal flights. I kind of have a hunch that they are the airline that initially approached the airport about Bahamas flights when the FIS was being built.
 
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Sat Oct 22, 2016 7:36 pm

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Sun Country has always been such an enigma.

It's been around forever, and has hidden itself in the cracks of the Midwest for decades. Even after so many hardships like post 9/11 aviation, they've still managed to stay afloat. I've never even seen one of their aircraft in operation before, but they must be getting customers somehow.

To add to the mystery, their parent company makes... kitchen countertops???


It's worked because they are based out of Minnesota and locals like that. They have grown quite a bit recently, even after showing losses which nearly put them out.
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Sat Oct 22, 2016 8:00 pm

Blankbarcode wrote:
Sun Country has always been such an enigma.

It's been around forever, and has hidden itself in the cracks of the Midwest for decades. Even after so many hardships like post 9/11 aviation, they've still managed to stay afloat. I've never even seen one of their aircraft in operation before, but they must be getting customers somehow.

To add to the mystery, their parent company makes... kitchen countertops???


They didnt just survive the post 9/11 aviation market, they survived a scumbag Bernie Madoff-wannabe owner in Tom Petters. And honestly if they owned planes and other assets instead of leasing everything, the feds would've liquidated the airline and sold those hard assets as part of the Petters bankruptcy.

Either way, they're great to have around. They basically offset all of the negatives of living in fortress hub city with DL with their great fares on a pretty solid set of routes. Plus with Icelandair offering sub 500 dollar roundtrips to Europe every now and then, the travel options in MSP are awesome.
 
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Sat Oct 22, 2016 8:09 pm

klakzky123 wrote:
Blankbarcode wrote:
Sun Country has always been such an enigma.

It's been around forever, and has hidden itself in the cracks of the Midwest for decades. Even after so many hardships like post 9/11 aviation, they've still managed to stay afloat. I've never even seen one of their aircraft in operation before, but they must be getting customers somehow.

To add to the mystery, their parent company makes... kitchen countertops???


They didnt just survive the post 9/11 aviation market, they survived a scumbag Bernie Madoff-wannabe owner in Tom Petters. And honestly if they owned planes and other assets instead of leasing everything, the feds would've liquidated the airline and sold those hard assets as part of the Petters bankruptcy.

Either way, they're great to have around. They basically offset all of the negatives of living in fortress hub city with DL with their great fares on a pretty solid set of routes. Plus with Icelandair offering sub 500 dollar roundtrips to Europe every now and then, the travel options in MSP are awesome.


Norwegian offer similar fares to Europe, MSP should appeal for a DY flight.
 
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Sat Oct 22, 2016 9:13 pm

klakzky123 wrote:
Blankbarcode wrote:
Sun Country has always been such an enigma.

It's been around forever, and has hidden itself in the cracks of the Midwest for decades. Even after so many hardships like post 9/11 aviation, they've still managed to stay afloat. I've never even seen one of their aircraft in operation before, but they must be getting customers somehow.

To add to the mystery, their parent company makes... kitchen countertops???


They didnt just survive the post 9/11 aviation market, they survived a scumbag Bernie Madoff-wannabe owner in Tom Petters. And honestly if they owned planes and other assets instead of leasing everything, the feds would've liquidated the airline and sold those hard assets as part of the Petters bankruptcy.

Either way, they're great to have around. They basically offset all of the negatives of living in fortress hub city with DL with their great fares on a pretty solid set of routes. Plus with Icelandair offering sub 500 dollar roundtrips to Europe every now and then, the travel options in MSP are awesome.



SY is definitely competitive in MSP, but every time I need to book, they are higher than Delta! Especially on peak-season routes, like spring break to FL/Caribbean.
 
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Sat Oct 22, 2016 9:24 pm

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Who would take over sun country?

This question bothers me. Why would anyone need to take over Sun Country? They're a decent airline - always had good flights with them, and they provide some much needed competition to Delta at MSP. I hope they stay independent.
 
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Sun Oct 23, 2016 12:34 am

SY seems like they offer a good product to MSP travelers, but they've had some bad ownership over the years and have taken some hard financial hits during economic downturns. They strike me as an airline that is very vulnerable if another recession were to take place or high fuel prices returned.

I don't see them as an acquisition target because they really don't hold anything of value to another airline in my opinion. Some leased 737's and a few gates at MSP and DFW probably isn't too compelling for most airlines.
 
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Sun Oct 23, 2016 1:26 am

NeBaNi wrote:
InselMotherFokk wrote:
Who would take over sun country?

This question bothers me. Why would anyone need to take over Sun Country? They're a decent airline - always had good flights with them, and they provide some much needed competition to Delta at MSP. I hope they stay independent.

What you say is most likely true. Also I get the impression that DL doesn't see them as a threat. They both seem to exist in harmony together.
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Sun Oct 23, 2016 2:08 am

They are the only airline my 91-year-old mom will fly to MSP on her twice yearly trips to see relatives. She always flies first class and said the crew is the best she's ever had since she was flying Space A on TWA when my stepdad was alive and his pass was dated 1936.Their service is impeccable and they are really helpful to her. She's mobility challenged and the FA's always help her to the head and back when she has to go. I always get a gate pass to go with her through T2 LAX and they've never hassled me. If I ever had a reason to fly back there I'd go SY.
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Sun Oct 23, 2016 5:42 am

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They are the only airline my 91-year-old mom will fly to MSP on her twice yearly trips to see relatives. She always flies first class and said the crew is the best she's ever had since she was flying Space A on TWA when my stepdad was alive and his pass was dated 1936.Their service is impeccable and they are really helpful to her. She's mobility challenged and the FA's always help her to the head and back when she has to go. I always get a gate pass to go with her through T2 LAX and they've never hassled me. If I ever had a reason to fly back there I'd go SY.



I used to go economy class, but on one trip (MSP-LAX), there were some first class seats available for a $109 upgrade, available at the time of check-in, so I gave it a try. That's all it took for me and I've flown first class ever since. Sun Country's first class experience is superior to Delta's.
 
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Re: Is sun country in a league of its own?

Sun Oct 23, 2016 5:59 am

sunking737 wrote:
SY has four 737-800 coming for this winter charter season, from HV. SY has used 737 from them since winter of 2002/03. They area great little airline, with employees who work very hard to give passengers a good flying experience.



I'll talk with crew members during flights, asking about former employees that I knew, Marty Davis, how the company is doing, etc... and I've yet to hear anyone bash the company or their own job. Even during the long and intense contract talks with their pilots, the few employees that I talked to always kept a positive outlook that a fair deal would be reached and that everyone could get on with their work.
 
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Re: Is Sun Country in a league of its own?

Sun Oct 23, 2016 7:49 am

Amazing company and airline. Most importantly, amazing people. I always try to fly them when I can
 
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Re: Is Sun Country in a league of its own?

Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:24 pm

My first job was cleaning their 727's and DC-10's in the early 1990's at LAS. They had a pretty decent sized operation there.

Is there anywhere to find out how they do financially? They seem to be happily chugging along!

What's their first class like? Hot meals? Any IFE?
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Re: Is Sun Country in a league of its own?

Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:05 pm

F9Animal wrote:
My first job was cleaning their 727's and DC-10's in the early 1990's at LAS. They had a pretty decent sized operation there.

Is there anywhere to find out how they do financially? They seem to be happily chugging along!

What's their first class like? Hot meals? Any IFE?


SY's first class comprises rows 1-3 and has 12 seats total. Wide and comfortable leather seats with headrests that can be adjusted where each end pulls forward and inward to conform to your head. My waist size is 36" and I do not feel at all cramped in that seat, there is good room to shift, wiggle, squirm, etc... Legroom is very good as well. I can stow a backpack under the seat in front of me and still have room to plant my feet on the floor in front of my seat. The meal service in first class is excellent. I'm not sure who prepares the items, but they never disappoint. Whether it's breakfast, lunch or dinner, the meals are very well made, very tasty and good portion sizes. The flight attendants come around with hot towels after meal service to clean up your hands, wipe your face and perk you up a bit. They serve freshly baked chocolate chip cookies on board for snacks and they come around with a huge basket of all sorts of items like Mike & Ike's, Gardettos, Pringles, M&M's, beef jerky, caramel corn. Some of the items that come with meal service and some snack items are from local restaurants, confectioners, etc... Some of the beers are from Surly Brewing Co., a local microbrewer. Economy class passengers get cheeseburgers and the chocolate chip cookies as well. They can purchase the other items mentioned. There are complimentary, portable IFE devices, called Dig-E-Player's that are loaded up with movies, TV shows, games, music videos, kid's items, etc... I tend to pack a crossword or sudoku book with me, but it never gets used as I always find 1 or 2 movies and some TV shows that I want to see. Not sure what the fee is to use the devices in economy class. I want to say $7.50, but I'm not positive on that. All onboard purchases are with credit or debt cards, no cash.
 
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Re: Is Sun Country in a league of its own?

Mon Oct 24, 2016 12:45 am

Still waiting for a start date and schedule for flights to Cuba. My guess is they'll be on Saturday with an early morning departure from MSP.
Remind me to send a thank you note to Mr. Boeing.
 
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Re: Is sun country in a league of its own?

Mon Oct 24, 2016 9:42 am

lavalampluva wrote:
They tried transatlantic flights to London a few years ago. Had a technical stop in Gander. If they want to venture into that market they need an aircraft with range to do that nonstop.

Does a 752 have the range to fly to LGW?
 
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Re: Is Sun Country in a league of its own?

Tue Oct 25, 2016 8:38 pm

So if All of us here all heard good things (Throug hthe various reviews and tales in this thread), we have to assume they're making money from satisfied customers: however why haven't we seen expansion if nothing but good comes out of this little airline?
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