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Re: United 77W emerges from the factory

Wed Oct 26, 2016 4:45 pm

Sooner787 wrote:
http://painefield.info/images/kpae13756f.png

Sidebar: what airline is that with the colorful 787 tail in the foreground?



piedmont762 wrote:
Unfortunately that livery compromise is now ingrained in the traveling public for screwing up a merger.

Gonna go out on (not much of) a limb, and say that that's more of an AvGeek fantasy, than anything remotely resembling fact.

The overwhelming majority of the traveling public wouldn't know enough to associate a livery with a particular time frame of corporate action, and likely wouldn't care less even if they did.
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Re: United 77W emerges from the factory

Wed Oct 26, 2016 4:51 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
Sooner787 wrote:
http://painefield.info/images/kpae13756f.png

Sidebar: what airline is that with the colorful 787 tail in the foreground?



piedmont762 wrote:
Unfortunately that livery compromise is now ingrained in the traveling public for screwing up a merger.

Gonna go out on (not much of) a limb, and say that that's more of an AvGeek fantasy, than anything remotely resembling fact.

The overwhelming majority of the traveling public wouldn't know enough to associate a livery with a particular time frame of corporate action, and likely wouldn't care less even if they did.


Actually it's reverse - the only people who actually care about the 773ER in this Globe livery are Aviation Geeks. I seriously cannot believe even a.net is stoked about UA taking on a stretch 777 when AA has had them for years. The fact of the matter is that UA has ticked off many HVFs during the merger who won't give them the benefit of the doubt of trying out Polaris.
 
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Re: United 77W emerges from the factory

Wed Oct 26, 2016 5:14 pm

piedmont762 wrote:
Actually it's reverse - the only people who actually care about the 773ER in this Globe livery are Aviation Geeks.

How's that the "reverse" of anything?
Can you show me where anyone here said anything specifically about the public caring about that?



piedmont762 wrote:
I seriously cannot believe even a.net is stoked about UA taking on a stretch 777 when AA has had them for years.

....you're having trouble understanding why a group of aviation enthusiasts are excited about something related to aviation?? :?



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The fact of the matter is that UA has ticked off many HVFs during the merger who won't give them the benefit of the doubt of trying out Polaris.

If by "many" you mean not enough to deny them multi-billion dollar profits, expansion, and continual improvement in their product-- then sure.

But you're not seriously under the impression that it's somehow a longterm situation, insurmountable by continued improvement and the perpetual evolution of the industry... are you?
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Re: United 77W emerges from the factory

Wed Oct 26, 2016 5:27 pm

Parts of the gold globe are visible in the rudder gaps in the Matt Corby image above.
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Re: United 77W emerges from the factory

Wed Oct 26, 2016 6:49 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
Sooner787 wrote:
http://painefield.info/images/kpae13756f.png

Sidebar: what airline is that with the colorful 787 tail in the foreground?


Air Austral.
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Re: United 77W emerges from the factory

Wed Oct 26, 2016 7:15 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
Sooner787 wrote:
http://painefield.info/images/kpae13756f.png

Sidebar: what airline is that with the colorful 787 tail in the foreground?



piedmont762 wrote:
Unfortunately that livery compromise is now ingrained in the traveling public for screwing up a merger.

Gonna go out on (not much of) a limb, and say that that's more of an AvGeek fantasy, than anything remotely resembling fact.

The overwhelming majority of the traveling public wouldn't know enough to associate a livery with a particular time frame of corporate action, and likely wouldn't care less even if they did.


That's one of the "terrible teen" 788's in Air Austral livery.
 
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Re: United 77W emerges from the factory

Thu Oct 27, 2016 1:08 am

Just a reminder: this thread is about United's upcoming delivery of the 777-300ER, not former CEOs and their relative merits.
 
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Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:01 am

I got to fly on UA's first 777 shortly after it entered mainline service. I still love the 777. But..... Nothing has really wowed me since my first 747 ride.
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That was fast! Where'd you get that picture? Any chance there are others?
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Sat Oct 29, 2016 12:48 am

Interesting place to put the aircraft type title 777-300! Looks like the beast is smiling...
 
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Sat Oct 29, 2016 1:25 am

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Interesting place to put the aircraft type title 777-300! Looks like the beast is smiling...


I think the A/C type is painted on that part of the plane to help the ground crew easily recognize the exact model of plane when directing it into a gate so that the jet bridge is lined up correctly as well as making sure the tail is clear of the taxiway/airport movement area.
 
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Interesting place to put the aircraft type title 777-300! Looks like the beast is smiling...


There are many airlines (especially in the U.S.) that do this on their fleet. Many enthusiasts don't notice it because the average person rarely sees aircraft from this angle.
 
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Re: United 77W emerges from the factory

Sat Oct 29, 2016 7:21 am

Evidently, Ship 31 did not get the wavy livery from the 787s. But still, she looks impressive (like any 77W).
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Evidently, Ship 31 did not get the wavy livery from the 787s. But still, she looks impressive (like any 77W).


It's like they put grandma's clothes on a sexy lady. At least the inside will be very nice.
 
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Sat Oct 29, 2016 6:25 pm

I'd think it's safe to say the next livery variation will be seen on the A350s. Hopefully somewhat different from the 787s.
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Sat Oct 29, 2016 6:37 pm

The second N59032 is now on the FAL. The remaining, 0033-0044, follow only 2-3 frames apart.
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LTU932 wrote:
Evidently, Ship 31 did not get the wavy livery from the 787s. But still, she looks impressive (like any 77W).


It's like they put grandma's clothes on a sexy lady. At least the inside will be very nice.


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I'm talking about the aircraft, of course! :D
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Re: United 77W emerges from the factory

Sat Oct 29, 2016 10:35 pm

Well, looks like I'll have to another 1:200 77W to my collection.

This time the new UA 77W :)
 
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Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:13 pm

That doesn't look like a special livery at all, such much for the rumors.
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Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:49 pm

FlyXJtoCMX wrote:
Interesting place to put the aircraft type title 777-300! Looks like the beast is smiling...


mildly interesting that they used the 'boeing' typeface for this instead of the generic arial-ish typeface that UA uses on the rest of its fleet.

now everyone will think i'm weird for noticing that.
 
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Re: United 77W emerges from the factory

Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:56 pm

Any more pics yet?
 
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Sun Oct 30, 2016 10:05 pm

This is a screen shot from a video Boeing had posted three or four years ago. I remember that it came up in some a.net thread at that time when there was absolutely no other speculation that the 77W would find a home at UA. Wonder if this is the livery we'll actually see?

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Whoops. Just saw the post from @KTPAFlyer above. Guess the 787-style gold swoosh line didn't make it to the final cut...
 
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Sun Oct 30, 2016 10:08 pm

So much better than what we see in the sneak peek photo!
 
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Mon Oct 31, 2016 2:26 am

O dear god, that bird looks so ugly in the Death Star livery!
 
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Mon Oct 31, 2016 2:29 am

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O dear god, that bird looks so ugly in the Death Star livery!



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Mon Oct 31, 2016 3:01 am

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Interesting place to put the aircraft type title 777-300! Looks like the beast is smiling...


That's important to the ramper who is guiding the aircraft in. My guess is that the NLG for the 772 needs to stop at a different marker than for the 77W.

Sad to see that the livery isn't even the wavy 787 livery.

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FlyXJtoCMX wrote:
Interesting place to put the aircraft type title 777-300! Looks like the beast is smiling...


That's important to the ramper who is guiding the aircraft in. My guess is that the NLG for the 772 needs to stop at a different marker than for the 77W.

Sad to see that the livery isn't even the wavy 787 livery.

To those of you wishing for UA to change their corporate visual image, I agree with you and yet I urge caution. Be careful what you wish for...


Agreed with everything.

We wouldn't want this to happen, would we?

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Mon Oct 31, 2016 4:32 am

quiet1 wrote:
This is a screen shot from a video Boeing had posted three or four years ago. I remember that it came up in some a.net thread at that time when there was absolutely no other speculation that the 77W would find a home at UA. Wonder if this is the livery we'll actually see?

Image

[edited to add:]

Whoops. Just saw the post from @KTPAFlyer above. Guess the 787-style gold swoosh line didn't make it to the final cut...


That looks really sharp. I suppose its more or less the 787 livery but it looks more metallic in that photo. I wish UA repainted their whole fleet like this.
 
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Mon Oct 31, 2016 4:52 am

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We wouldn't want this to happen, would we?

Want what to happen?

One woefully plain Eurowhite livery with splashes of red and orange, to transition to another woefully plain Eurowhite livery with splashes of red and orange?

The obsession with that livery is almost as ridiculous (and difficult to understand why anyone would invest the energy in caring) as the CO/UA transition.

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Re: United 77W emerges from the factory

Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:00 am

I am currently staying at the Hilton right on the runway at Paine Field. I think the aircraft in question is opposite my very hotel room, painted in full United livery - I got here in fading light, and in the rain, so I cannot be sure. Assuming it is, and I can get a clear enough shot of it, I shall try and photograph it tomorrow and, if successful, will post it here.
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Mon Oct 31, 2016 6:23 am

LAX772LR wrote:
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We wouldn't want this to happen, would we?

Want what to happen?

One woefully plain Eurowhite livery with splashes of red and orange, to transition to another woefully plain Eurowhite livery with splashes of red and orange?

The obsession with that livery is almost as ridiculous (and difficult to understand why anyone would invest the energy in caring) as the CO/UA transition.

Now, the day when someone like VN or WN goes to Eurowhite... then start crying.


Trust me, IB's previous livery was very nice to look at. It even faded in a nice way. A Spanish livery.

The new livery is horrendously weak. You're right, Eurowhite liveries are plain, usually not that exciting and even damaging to a brand, but the old IB livery was an exception, in my opinion.

Staying on topic, UA will rebrand at some point, perhaps in the not too distant future. The question is, will the have a solid brand like DL, exciting and fresh like AA or bland like IB?

Will they still have CO elements or will they revert back to a pre-merger brand? Just questions.
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Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:03 pm

I just hope we see another Star livery soon. It's been a while since UA has painted a plane in the Star livery. I think it would look great on a 77W, A350, or even one of the A319/A320s.
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Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:14 pm

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I just hope we see another Star livery soon. It's been a while since UA has painted a plane in the Star livery. I think it would look great on a 77W, A350, or even one of the A319/A320s.


I believe at least one 77W is slated to be in the Star livery, and perhaps more.
 
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Looks great! Solid and straightforward.

I admit, it would have looked FAR better with the 787 wavy cheat, but not bad.
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Well no - I believe with lots of management turnaround over the last mouth that further branding changes are coming. The livery is 25+ years old and is associated with a damaged merger. Would like to see some modification of it within the next few years (Polaris isn't good enough.)


I agree, I believe United needs to rebrand in order to give a 'new' feeling to passengers. They can visually see a change along with Polaris. They should follow American Airlines' footsteps for rebranding, as they rebranded with a new livery and said it's the 'new American,' even though it was the same. Overall, it gave passengers a new feeling which changed their opinions.


For sure. I didn't know what to think of AA's branding at first but it's really grown on me and makes me appreciate the classic "Eagle" livery even more. UA's globe logo is associated with Smisek and his mentality of "well of course I'm keeping it because I made it." Now look where he is now. The fact the 773 rolls out of the factory in this livery indicates to me that either they are stubborn & don't want to spend money, they are tone deaf, or new branding is coming independent of the new fleet type. The fact that they made minor interior changes relating to Polaris but don't show many exteriors leads me to think it's the latter.

Not sure why the colors on the plane are so important to everyone.
 
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Well no - I believe with lots of management turnaround over the last mouth that further branding changes are coming. The livery is 25+ years old and is associated with a damaged merger. Would like to see some modification of it within the next few years (Polaris isn't good enough.)


I agree, I believe United needs to rebrand in order to give a 'new' feeling to passengers. They can visually see a change along with Polaris. They should follow American Airlines' footsteps for rebranding, as they rebranded with a new livery and said it's the 'new American,' even though it was the same. Overall, it gave passengers a new feeling which changed their opinions.


For sure. I didn't know what to think of AA's branding at first but it's really grown on me and makes me appreciate the classic "Eagle" livery even more. UA's globe logo is associated with Smisek and his mentality of "well of course I'm keeping it because I made it." Now look where he is now. The fact the 773 rolls out of the factory in this livery indicates to me that either they are stubborn & don't want to spend money, they are tone deaf, or new branding is coming independent of the new fleet type. The fact that they made minor interior changes relating to Polaris but don't show many exteriors leads me to think it's the latter.


I seriously doubt American thought changing its livery would give its customers a "new feeling." I believe they had to conclude that the old livery would not work with the new aircraft coming into the fleet. The silver would no longer work. Now, if you can show me large groups of people that are deciding not to fly on United because of the Continental Globe, please share. However, most to the complaints about United seem to resolve around people's perceptions of the service, service that has been improving.
 
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Mon Oct 31, 2016 10:58 pm

United's new Priestmangoode-driven branding doubles down on the globe, but at the same time, de-emphasizes it a bit. It's a more modern take on a rather prosaic design. The Tulip is iconic, but it can't come back now... maybe in another 10 years or so, but this is what we have for the time being. In the meantime I am far more interested in the changes going on "under the hood" at United. There's no doubt that the past year has been much better than any other year since the merger from the passenger's perspective, and I am looking forward to see how they execute on Polaris. I'm optimistic.
 
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Mon Oct 31, 2016 11:10 pm

I think they may be using a new livery similar to that on their 787s.
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United are working very hard at the moment to deliver a consistent and re-invigorated brand, and to make that brand stand for reliability and good service, rather than evoke images of IT and Merger problems. The work the airline is doing at the moment is very encouraging and seems to be having positive results.

The new 'Polaris' Business Class, while not groundbreaking, is a solid premium product on par with AA,DL,CX etc. and is a far better hard product than Emirates' 2-3-2 seating layout on their 777s. It is an exciting development and I hope that it will herald the start of the next chapter for United. The merger is complete, now it is time to invest in the product and transform the image of the company, which Munoz and his team seem determined to do.

Clearly, some people are never going to get over the UA/CO merger. If that is the case, so be it, but please don't turn every thread about United into an argument about the merger. It happened, it won't be reversed. The planes are painted how they're painted. And if you really loathe United that much, don't fly with them, that's entirely your prerogative, but I will say that, from experience, they are not even halfway close to being as bad as people make them out to be. This is a thread about a new aircraft type, which will herald the introduction of a new business class product - that's what we should be discussing, not whether or not planes should have Tulips on the tail, or whether United was better than Continental. /Rant Over ;)
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United are working very hard at the moment to deliver a consistent and re-invigorated brand, and to make that brand stand for reliability and good service, rather than evoke images of IT and Merger problems. The work the airline is doing at the moment is very encouraging and seems to be having positive results.

The new 'Polaris' Business Class, while not groundbreaking, is a solid premium product on par with AA,DL,CX etc. and is a far better hard product than Emirates' 2-3-2 seating layout on their 777s. It is an exciting development and I hope that it will herald the start of the next chapter for United. The merger is complete, now it is time to invest in the product and transform the image of the company, which Munoz and his team seem determined to do.

Clearly, some people are never going to get over the UA/CO merger. If that is the case, so be it, but please don't turn every thread about United into an argument about the merger. It happened, it won't be reversed. The planes are painted how they're painted. And if you really loathe United that much, don't fly with them, that's entirely your prerogative, but I will say that, from experience, they are not even halfway close to being as bad as people make them out to be. This is a thread about a new aircraft type, which will herald the introduction of a new business class product - that's what we should be discussing, not whether or not planes should have Tulips on the tail, or whether United was better than Continental. /Rant Over ;)


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How will UA 77W look in the wavey 787 cs? Any Ps experts here care to demonstrate?
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Tue Nov 01, 2016 12:12 am

Looks sharp. I can see why people think the livery is a bit dated or staid but I personally don't mind it and actually really like the way abstract, negative space and 3D depictions of the globe are used in the current branding.
I'm looking forward to seeing Polaris beyond the renders. Hopefully, if they are going with the same economy seats (BE Pinnacle, I believe, though UA might be launching the new Aspire seat, maybe?) they have been installing elsewhere they don't use that horrible, sterile PMCO patterned fabric or the uncomfortable non-breathing pleather covers. Not optimistic, though.
 
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How will UA 77W look in the wavey 787 cs? Any Ps experts here care to demonstrate?


See post #73 on this thread....

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United's new Priestmangoode-driven branding doubles down on the globe, but at the same time, de-emphasizes it a bit. It's a more modern take on a rather prosaic design. The Tulip is iconic, but it can't come back now... maybe in another 10 years or so, but this is what we have for the time being. In the meantime I am far more interested in the changes going on "under the hood" at United. There's no doubt that the past year has been much better than any other year since the merger from the passenger's perspective, and I am looking forward to see how they execute on Polaris. I'm optimistic.


Very nicely said. I was a huge fan of the PMUA identity from a design perspective. I was crushed – crushed! – to see it go away, but what's happened has happened. I also liked the PMCO look, I just thought the mix of the two was a very clumsy execution. But hey, that's pretty much what happened with more than just the livery in the UA/CO merger.

I also think Priestmangoode has a good sense of how to modernize the globe in the newer brand applications. A livery is a very expensive thing to change, and it's not a good idea to radically change the exterior of a brand if the inside of it hasn't changed. Priestmangoode's designs are leaps and bounds ahead of a lot of the things hastily put together after the merger. Compare the new cabin and lounge designs to the checkin counter walls that were all changed right after the merger. Woof.

I just wish both sides of the airline (and its fans on here) could get past the us vs. them mentality. It's killing UA (and every thread on here). But at least UA and the new management team are showing signs of progress.
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Re: United 77W emerges from the factory

Wed Nov 02, 2016 8:19 pm

Some nice pictures from UA's Facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/United/posts/1159346787436195

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Re: United 77W emerges from the factory

Wed Nov 02, 2016 8:32 pm

That rainbow really makes those pictures for me.
 
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Re: United 77W emerges from the factory

Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:00 pm

Pictures look fantastic. Can't wait to see some interior shots.
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Re: United 77W emerges from the factory

Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:06 pm

KLDC10 wrote:
Pictures look fantastic. Can't wait to see some interior shots.


Does anyone know if the interior has even been installed yet?
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Re: United 77W emerges from the factory

Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:17 pm

First pictures just came out on UA's Instagram. Looks stunning!

https://www.instagram.com/united/
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