JannEejit wrote:Boeing already had it's own four holer in the wide body sector. I can think of no reason why they'd have gone with another quad type when the twin engine 767 was already in existence and the 767-400 was more or less a Boeing equivalent to the A340-300. Come to think of it, I still struggle to comprehend why the Airbus A300 evolved into a four engine type, which itself re-evolved into the A330, the true successor to the A300 in Airbus terms. Another question might be, why didn't the 767 begin life with four engines ? The answer may well be...The A300 !
PennPal wrote:With a production run of under 400 units, I was wondering if the A340 would have even reached that many models produced if it had been built by Boeing. Since the major users of the type are/were Air France, Iberia, Lufthansa, and Virgin Atlantic, one could surmise that those carriers ordered the plane, to some extent, because it was "home grown". You might even include South African, Cathay Pacific, and Air Tahiti Nui in that mix. Since no American airline ordered the plane (except for Northwest, which never took delivery of one), how successful would Boeing have been in marketing it??
intotheair wrote:Thanks to someone on FT, I came across this five-part PBS documentary on the 777 development. It is ridiculously long, and I only skipped through bits and pieces of it, but the first few minutes of part one are really interesting. Boeing was studying a number of options in the MD11/L1011/A330/A340 space, i.e. the whole between the 767 and 747. They were in discussions with the "Working Together" airlines, though they were mostly trying to target UA. A number of options were proposed, including a stretched, re-winged, re-engined 767. The plane on the top is a 763:
Revelation wrote:Polot wrote:Revelation wrote:Unfortunately what we've seen from Boeing is they don't put new product onto the market till every other option is exhausted. They really didn't want to do the 777 (they were hoping the 767-400 would be enough) but they ended up having no choice.
The 767-400 came about long after the 777 EIS.
True, but Boeing offered stretched 767s (seven different variants) to the customers before they offered the 777, and they were not interested.
If you don't believe me, go to 5:30 or so in YouTube: 21st Century Jet - Building the Boeing 777 and it'll all be clear.
Perhaps I was lazy to call this a 767-400 but I'm sure one of the seven variants was close to what became the -400.
JerseyFlyer wrote:SEPilot wrote:There were at that time no engines available powerful enough to give the range to the A330 with only two, and Airbus was not well enough established that the engine makers would make one for them.
Actually Airbus contracted with PW to build a conceptually novel "superfan" for the A340, but had to revert to CFM56s when PW fouled up on the project.
TommyBoy wrote:If Boeing built the A340...they'd be Airbus...
olle wrote:I think we coming back to the old a.net if a340 and a330 is one or 2 airplanes. I am of the oppinion that it is one with different engine setting. The current A333 seems have more in common with A343 then the original A330 with range, weights and activation of central fuel tanks.
mjoelnir wrote:If you look at the A340 alone, it is easy to say that Boeing came out with the 777 and beat it. But that is build on the comparison of two models, the A340-600 against the 777-300ER shows a complete domination by Boeing. Not every model of the 777 showed this domination.
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