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Intra-Europe widebody routes for summer 2017?

Sat Oct 22, 2016 6:52 pm

Anyone know what routes within europe will be operated by a widebody aircraft in summer 2017? I just know that DY will operate their 787-8/9 on OSL-BCN and OSL-NCE.
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Re: Inter-Europe widebody routes for summer 2017?

Sat Oct 22, 2016 7:09 pm

Usual suspects: AY A350 HEL-LHR, BA B763 LHR-ARN, EDI, FCO, MAD.
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Re: Inter-Europe widebody routes for summer 2017?

Sat Oct 22, 2016 7:13 pm

winterlight wrote:
AY A350 HEL-LHR


According to the timetable Finnair increases A350 flights to LHR next summer, from 5x a week to daily (AY831/832).
 
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Re: Inter-Europe widebody routes for summer 2017?

Sat Oct 22, 2016 7:38 pm

Thomas Cook will operate a number of high density routes with their A330 fleet to the Med and out to the Islands, as will Condor with the 767 fleet. These get forgotten even though they have become scheduled and tickets are available freely.

Icelandair's 767 should also appear between KEF and LHR/CDG

Aer Lingus also regularly use the A333 to places like Malaga and Alicante.
 
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Sat Oct 22, 2016 7:43 pm

winterlight wrote:
Usual suspects: AY A350 HEL-LHR, BA B763 LHR-ARN, EDI, FCO, MAD.


Another one for this list of usual suspects: IB A340 MAD-LHR
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Re: Inter-Europe widebody routes for summer 2017?

Sat Oct 22, 2016 8:04 pm

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Aer Lingus also regularly use the A333 to places like Malaga and Alicante.


EI do indeed operate the A333 to AGP daily (EI584/5), during the summer season. However never scheduled to ALC, but rather FAO, most recently on Sundays this year with an A332.
 
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Re: Inter-Europe widebody routes for summer 2017?

Sat Oct 22, 2016 8:42 pm

GCT64 wrote:
winterlight wrote:
Usual suspects: AY A350 HEL-LHR, BA B763 LHR-ARN, EDI, FCO, MAD.


Another one for this list of usual suspects: IB A340 MAD-LHR


MAD-LHR can be either 332, 333 or 346, in one of the IB evening flights.

Within Spain, for UX we have already for next summer MAD-LPA on 788 twice a day and MAD-BCN on 332 twice a day also.

And then all the usual 5th freedom flights such as LA MAD-FRA, in this topic:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1345505
 
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Re: Inter-Europe widebody routes for summer 2017?

Sat Oct 22, 2016 8:47 pm

Worth mentioning that the SQ intra-Europe jolly MUC-MAN-MUC is to finish very soon, so no quick trips on Singapore Airlines next summer.
 
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Sat Oct 22, 2016 8:51 pm

Icelandair European widebody flights (763) S17

KEF– AMS FI500/501 1x daily
KEF– LHR FI450/451 1x daily
KEF– ZRH FI568/569 1x daily 13JUN17 – 11SEP17
KEF– FRA FI520/521 4x weekly 03JUN17 – 30SEP17
KEF– ARN FI306/307 3x weekly 01JUN17 – 28SEP17
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Re: Inter-Europe widebody routes for summer 2017?

Sat Oct 22, 2016 8:58 pm

Is TAROM still doing their A310 flights inside Europe to places like Vienna?

(update: Just looked and seems like the A310 is no longer operating for them)
 
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Sat Oct 22, 2016 9:08 pm

S4 will operate or mix of A310 and A330 on the LIS-PDL route.

LAN from MAD-FRA on the B787/B789
 
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Sat Oct 22, 2016 9:21 pm

Actually lots of widebody services in Russia, B777 of different airlines from MOW to SIP and AER, also B747-400s, B767 and not a widebody but cooler than all the western stuff: WZ T20... oh and SU flies 77W and 332/3 also domestic.

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Sat Oct 22, 2016 9:31 pm

Channex757 wrote:
Thomas Cook will operate a number of high density routes with their A330 fleet to the Med and out to the Islands, as will Condor with the 767 fleet. These get forgotten even though they have become scheduled and tickets are available freely.



on which particular routes are they using it?
also LHR-ATH and LHR-LCA.
if you consider Turkey as Europe than you also have IST-FRA,DUS,LHR and CDG.
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Sat Oct 22, 2016 9:39 pm

usflyer123 wrote:
Channex757 wrote:
Thomas Cook will operate a number of high density routes with their A330 fleet to the Med and out to the Islands, as will Condor with the 767 fleet. These get forgotten even though they have become scheduled and tickets are available freely.



on which particular routes are they using it?
also LHR-ATH, SVU-BCN and LHR-LCA.
if you consider Turkey as Europe than you also have IST-FRA,DUS,LHR and CDG.
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Sat Oct 22, 2016 9:39 pm

Thomson use their B788's all around Europe for most of high season. Thomas Cook A330 same.

TK use a lot of wbdies around Europe.

LA MAD>FRA>MAD on B789 is highly recommended and affordable in J. As previous EI /AY / DY / UX / IB all use around Europe.

OS were using 772 on FRA this year.
 
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Sat Oct 22, 2016 9:42 pm

Air China BCN>VIE A333

Ethiopian ARN>VIE B788
 
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Re: Inter-Europe widebody routes for summer 2017?

Sat Oct 22, 2016 9:43 pm

Anyone know if WOW will bring their A330 to LGW ?
 
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Sat Oct 22, 2016 10:17 pm

kelvin933 wrote:
Icelandair European widebody flights (763) S17

KEF– AMS FI500/501 1x daily
KEF– LHR FI450/451 1x daily
KEF– ZRH FI568/569 1x daily 13JUN17 – 11SEP17
KEF– FRA FI520/521 4x weekly 03JUN17 – 30SEP17
KEF– ARN FI306/307 3x weekly 01JUN17 – 28SEP17


Are you sure about ZRH?
I thought the afternoon flight to LHR FI454 would go to the 767 a few times a week as also CPH would see the 767.
 
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Re: Inter-Europe widebody routes for summer 2017?

Sat Oct 22, 2016 10:27 pm

usflyer123 wrote:
Channex757 wrote:
Thomas Cook will operate a number of high density routes with their A330 fleet to the Med and out to the Islands, as will Condor with the 767 fleet. These get forgotten even though they have become scheduled and tickets are available freely.



on which particular routes are they using it?
also LHR-ATH and LHR-LCA.

They tend to operate out of MAN to several places including LPA and PFO, as well as from other UK bases. Generally it's short routes programmed between the longhaul flights. MAN sees the most, then LGW, BHX and GLA. STN might be offered next summer as they are to get a based A332.

TK regularly fly the A330 around Europe too, and if Egypt is also considered they use the A330 and 773ER into places like LHR. LY is also considered to be Europe and their fleet does frequent flights to LHR and CDG.
 
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Sat Oct 22, 2016 11:30 pm

LX is using the 77W 2 days a week (Tuesday and Friday in current schedule) on the 0755 departure ZRH-GVA (LX2802) and the 1000 departure GVA-ZRH (LX2807). Other days mostly A320/A321. The 77W had been almost daily on that flight during the summer, 6 x week if memory correct. That flight gets a lot of connections to/from longhaul LX flights at ZRH. In the past an A330/A340 was occasionally substituted on that flight. It must be one of the only scheduled 77W operations in Europe and certainly the shortest at 125nm. Block time 50 minutes but you're normally only in the air for about 30 minutes on that route.

Not sure what their plans are for summer 2017.
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Sat Oct 22, 2016 11:31 pm

Air Europa is also flying their A330's something like 3 to 4 times per week to AMS/FCO/MXP/FRA and possible others.

TUI Netherlands with B763 and B788 on high density flights to TFS, LPA, ACE, FUE, PMI and possible some Turkish and Greek destinations
 
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Mon Oct 24, 2016 11:24 am

LX also using their 77W on HAJ and VIE flights from late Oct until Feb plus oddly a one-off ZRH-LHR trip on the 11th Feb ......£400+ fare !
 
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Mon Oct 24, 2016 11:38 am

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Anyone know if WOW will bring their A330 to LGW ?


They do now. As well as to AMS and CDG. They are however making changes to the California schedule and adding Miami in S17 which might mean they'll use the A330s exclusively for North America. I have not heard any confirmation of that.
 
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Mon Oct 24, 2016 11:44 am

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LX also using their 77W on HAJ and VIE flights from late Oct until Feb plus oddly a one-off ZRH-LHR trip on the 11th Feb ......£400+ fare !

HAJ? Thats quite interesting, I wouldn't have thought there is demand for a widebody on HAJ-ZRH
 
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Mon Oct 24, 2016 11:48 am

I've read rumours that AF were going to send their 787 over to LHR for crew training, likewise LH and their A350. I'm not sure about either of these, the AF one perhaps is more plausible but I would be surprised if the LH one is true frankly. Plus also a suggestion of EI sending their A330s to LHR mainly for cargo, like the set up with IB ex-MAD.

I'm sure there's a bit of 2+2=5 going on but would be interested to know if anyone on here has any accurate information on any of these....one way or the other
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Mon Oct 24, 2016 11:51 am

rebr wrote:
n729pa wrote:
LX also using their 77W on HAJ and VIE flights from late Oct until Feb plus oddly a one-off ZRH-LHR trip on the 11th Feb ......£400+ fare !

HAJ? Thats quite interesting, I wouldn't have thought there is demand for a widebody on HAJ-ZRH


From 30/10/16 to 15/2/17
LX816/7 daily exc Monday
LX828/9 on Tue and Thu

I've booked myself a return trip on one, but they only seem to be selling a certain number of seats, so I guess could easily sub an A320 at the last minute if there was a technical issue or something, but yes HAJ does seem an odd choice.
 
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Re: Inter-Europe widebody routes for summer 2017?

Mon Oct 24, 2016 12:29 pm

n729pa wrote:
rebr wrote:
n729pa wrote:
LX also using their 77W on HAJ and VIE flights from late Oct until Feb plus oddly a one-off ZRH-LHR trip on the 11th Feb ......£400+ fare !

HAJ? Thats quite interesting, I wouldn't have thought there is demand for a widebody on HAJ-ZRH


From 30/10/16 to 15/2/17
LX816/7 daily exc Monday
LX828/9 on Tue and Thu

I've booked myself a return trip on one, but they only seem to be selling a certain number of seats, so I guess could easily sub an A320 at the last minute if there was a technical issue or something, but yes HAJ does seem an odd choice.

Could there be a lot of connecting passangers from HAJ?
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Mon Oct 24, 2016 12:30 pm

Also thanks everyone for all the help! I'll wait a bit and see where LH will operate their A350s in europe.
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Mon Oct 24, 2016 12:36 pm

rebr wrote:
n729pa wrote:
LX also using their 77W on HAJ and VIE flights from late Oct until Feb plus oddly a one-off ZRH-LHR trip on the 11th Feb ......£400+ fare !

HAJ? Thats quite interesting, I wouldn't have thought there is demand for a widebody on HAJ-ZRH


Crew training in down-time of the frames. There is absolutely no market for so many seats ZRH-HAJ-ZRH.
VIE & LHR is a bit different, but also mainly due to crew training.
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Mon Oct 24, 2016 6:15 pm

Thomson Airways also fly LGW-BOJ and МАN-BOJ with B788.
 
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Mon Oct 24, 2016 9:07 pm

Jet2 will most probably start A330-300 flights ex MAN (on AirAsia X metal)...

Confirmed - but not quite Europe - RAM will fly B788 from CMN to ORY, also as usual several A330 & B777 flights from IST to Germany with TK!
 
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Mon Oct 24, 2016 9:15 pm

A rather fresh entry into this "market" was CSA's sole A330-300 OK-YBA, being used for a few Saturday round-trips between Prague and Barcelona. Hopefully that one will come back in 2017 ...
 
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Tue Oct 25, 2016 10:37 am

Channex757 wrote:
Thomas Cook will operate a number of high density routes with their A330 fleet to the Med and out to the Islands, as will Condor with the 767 fleet. These get forgotten even though they have become scheduled and tickets are available freely.

Icelandair's 767 should also appear between KEF and LHR/CDG

Aer Lingus also regularly use the A333 to places like Malaga and Alicante.


May I ask where you have read that? Condor will constantly increase their longhaul network in the future. New destinations will be added in 2017 and current destinations will be upgraded.
Therefore the whole 767 fleet will be needed to serve this. Until now, Condor only operated the 767 inter-european when they just had a spare aircraft or a 757/A321 could not perform the flight due to technical issues. They used to operate the 767 on short/ medium haul until about 2 years ago but since then it decreased a lot.
 
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Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:06 am

NG263 wrote:
Channex757 wrote:
Thomas Cook will operate a number of high density routes with their A330 fleet to the Med and out to the Islands, as will Condor with the 767 fleet. These get forgotten even though they have become scheduled and tickets are available freely.

Icelandair's 767 should also appear between KEF and LHR/CDG

Aer Lingus also regularly use the A333 to places like Malaga and Alicante.


May I ask where you have read that? Condor will constantly increase their longhaul network in the future. New destinations will be added in 2017 and current destinations will be upgraded.
Therefore the whole 767 fleet will be needed to serve this. Until now, Condor only operated the 767 inter-european when they just had a spare aircraft or a 757/A321 could not perform the flight due to technical issues. They used to operate the 767 on short/ medium haul until about 2 years ago but since then it decreased a lot.


Condor are actually receiving 2 of the TCX 767's as of this winter permanently and they are currently in short haul configuration and are swapping for 4 753's which will transfer to the UK airline, meaning DE are actually losing short haul aircraft. Therefore I wouldn't be surprised to see these 767's kept in short haul configuration and used at DE as they were used at TCX
 
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Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:20 am

azz767 wrote:
NG263 wrote:
Channex757 wrote:
Thomas Cook will operate a number of high density routes with their A330 fleet to the Med and out to the Islands, as will Condor with the 767 fleet. These get forgotten even though they have become scheduled and tickets are available freely.

Icelandair's 767 should also appear between KEF and LHR/CDG

Aer Lingus also regularly use the A333 to places like Malaga and Alicante.


May I ask where you have read that? Condor will constantly increase their longhaul network in the future. New destinations will be added in 2017 and current destinations will be upgraded.
Therefore the whole 767 fleet will be needed to serve this. Until now, Condor only operated the 767 inter-european when they just had a spare aircraft or a 757/A321 could not perform the flight due to technical issues. They used to operate the 767 on short/ medium haul until about 2 years ago but since then it decreased a lot.


Condor are actually receiving 2 of the TCX 767's as of this winter permanently and they are currently in short haul configuration and are swapping for 4 753's which will transfer to the UK airline, meaning DE are actually losing short haul aircraft. Therefore I wouldn't be surprised to see these 767's kept in short haul configuration and used at DE as they were used at TCX


You are right, I completly forgot about those. Furthermore there is still some rumour around that last "new" Transaero 767, which is currently parked in TLV, I think, that it would also be leased by Condor.
 
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Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:45 pm

debonair wrote:
Jet2 will most probably start A330-300 flights ex MAN (on AirAsia X metal)...


That was an abortive plan from last year. The CAA blocked it.

Air Asia X isn't an EU carrier so using their aircraft and crews is much more difficult to organise than one from Portugal or Ireland. The six month rule also comes into play (a limit on how long such a charter may operate).

I'd say that the proposed Titan acquisition of an A330 might be something of a clue. Just putting two and two together. Titan have been a major provider of metal to LS in 2016; with a dedicated A321 out of Manchester and both 757s and A320s also adding summer capacity at various bases.
 
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Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:57 pm

LATAM also operate FRA-MAD on a 789, which then continues on to SCL. The FRA-MAD flights are bookable.
 
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Wed Oct 26, 2016 6:43 am

theobcman wrote:
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OS were using 772 on FRA this year.


I see they are also using 767s too on current days/flights through to about mid-March, not sure if it will extend into the Summer months or not
 
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Wed Oct 26, 2016 6:51 am

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Anyone know if WOW will bring their A330 to LGW ?


Currently WOW is flying daily with A 330 KEF- CDG, and in summer season there were also daily flights with A 330 to LGW and AMS.
And I am very sure they will do it next year again.
 
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Wed Oct 26, 2016 8:39 am

Channex757 wrote:
debonair wrote:
Jet2 will most probably start A330-300 flights ex MAN (on AirAsia X metal)...


That was an abortive plan from last year. The CAA blocked it.


Have a look: https://theworldofaviationblog.wordpres ... mmer-2017/
 
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Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:10 am

TK also operates a number of intra-european routes from the IST hub with their 333, including AMS, DUS, FRA, CDG.
Also, there's the 77W flight TK operates on IST-LHR.

SU operates a 333 on SVO-LHR.
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Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:51 am

The 'flot A330 stops this Saturday.

Edit: Seems to be continuing into the winter this year.
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Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:29 pm

debonair wrote:
Channex757 wrote:
debonair wrote:
Jet2 will most probably start A330-300 flights ex MAN (on AirAsia X metal)...


That was an abortive plan from last year. The CAA blocked it.


Have a look: https://theworldofaviationblog.wordpres ... mmer-2017/

That's what I was talking about. The CAA blocked the 2015 lease as it wasn't an EU-registered aircraft and crews.

LS have apparently scored a lease for one next summer. There isn't any confirmation who will provide it yet, but it could either be a Hi-Fly or Titan aircraft. My money is on Titan. Both would meet the EU criteria and Titan would potentially cost less due to it being UK-registered (less crew relocation costs).
 
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Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:32 pm

Channex757 wrote:
debonair wrote:
Jet2 will most probably start A330-300 flights ex MAN (on AirAsia X metal)...


That was an abortive plan from last year. The CAA blocked it.



Yes it was a shame as it was loaded to fly MAN-ACE and I nearly booked it. They were selling the front J Class seats for peanuts. Then it was pulled from the system.
 
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Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:38 pm

OA260 wrote:
Channex757 wrote:
debonair wrote:
Jet2 will most probably start A330-300 flights ex MAN (on AirAsia X metal)...


That was an abortive plan from last year. The CAA blocked it.



Yes it was a shame as it was loaded to fly MAN-ACE and I nearly booked it. They were selling the front J Class seats for peanuts. Then it was pulled from the system.


I flew the Jet2Plus product some years back; their front cabin product. Paid something silly like £12 a leg to SSH over the fare and even got a lounge and hot meal thrown in! Worth the bit extra just for the extra legroom and if it's on an ACMI chartered aircraft then their Extra Legroom seats could end up being some kind of actual business class or PE product of the airline providing the aircraft.
 
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Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:53 pm

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TK also operates a number of intra-european routes from the IST hub with their 333, including AMS, DUS, FRA, CDG.

Even OSL occasionally sees a TK A330...
 
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Doesn't TP operate an A330 between LIS and VIE?

Also one of BA's LHR-FRA-LHR rotations is operated with the B763
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Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:29 pm

I think EI flies the A330 to some Spanish airports some days, places like AGP or Canary Islands.

ET also flies CDG-BRU-CDG with B787, but I am not sure if it's possible to book tickets for the flight.
 
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I think EI flies the A330 to some Spanish airports some days, places like AGP or Canary Islands.



AGP / FAO mostly not seen the Canaries recently.
 
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Re: Intra-Europe widebody routes for summer 2017?

Wed Oct 26, 2016 4:23 pm

Just found another interesting one... FRA-GVA-FRA on Kuwait A330. Not sure it's bookable

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