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Metroliner crash at Luqa, Malta

Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:45 am

A Metroliner carrying Frontex officials crashed shortly after take off earlier this morning at Malta International Airport. None of the five people on board survived the crash. "An eyewitness told Times of Malta they saw the plane take-off and rise before it suddenly tipped onto its right side “and went straight down into the ground.”

Malta International Aiport is closed until furter notice.

http://www.airlive.net/breaking-plane-c ... s-morning/
 
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Re: Metroliner crash at Luqa, Malta

Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:53 am

Terrible news. Sounds like a stall.
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Re: Metroliner crash at Luqa, Malta

Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:34 am

Frontex confirmed that it is not one of their flights.

The reg number most probably is N577MX.

Credits for the pics below go to Laurent Azzopardi.

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Weather here overcast but winds are calm. Thankfully the plane did not crash onto houses (Malta is densely populated). RIP...
 
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Re: Metroliner crash at Luqa, Malta

Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:39 am

Draken21fx wrote:
Frontex confirmed that it is not one of their flights.

The reg number most probably is N577MX.

Credits for the pics below go to Laurent Azzopardi.

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Weather here overcast but winds are calm. Thankfully the plane did not crash onto houses (Malta is densely populated). RIP...



Wow. Shocking images. I know exactly where that was filmed. Horrible crash. RIP to those poor souls who were onboard that old flying coffin.
 
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Re: Metroliner crash at Luqa, Malta

Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:42 am

oldannyboy wrote:
Draken21fx wrote:
Frontex confirmed that it is not one of their flights.

The reg number most probably is N577MX.

Credits for the pics below go to Laurent Azzopardi.

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Weather here overcast but winds are calm. Thankfully the plane did not crash onto houses (Malta is densely populated). RIP...



Wow. Shocking images. I know exactly where that was filmed. Horrible crash. RIP to those poor souls who were onboard that old flying coffin.


There are a few more frames and a video at least but I do not want to stress the server. You can find them easily with a quick search.

Most of the inbound flights are landing in Italy.
 
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Re: Metroliner crash at Luqa, Malta

Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:43 am

Draken21fx wrote:
Frontex confirmed that it is not one of their flights.

The reg number most probably is N577MX.

Credits for the pics below go to Laurent Azzopardi.

Image
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Weather here overcast but winds are calm. Thankfully the plane did not crash onto houses (Malta is densely populated). RIP...


Those pics are amazing and horrible at the same time, knowing that the plane was going and still being able to take those pics.. :(

According to airlive: "The aircraft involved in the accident at Luqa Airport was a 1983 Fairchild SA227-AT aircraft."
 
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Re: Metroliner crash at Luqa, Malta

Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:47 am

 
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Re: Metroliner crash at Luqa, Malta

Mon Oct 24, 2016 10:05 am

Damn. That's so horrible. Looks like a stall. RIP.
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Re: Metroliner crash at Luqa, Malta

Mon Oct 24, 2016 10:40 am

Possibly an engine failure at a speed critical phase of the flight that led to a stall and wing drop?
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Re: Metroliner crash at Luqa, Malta

Mon Oct 24, 2016 12:15 pm

N577MX is registered to Worldwide Aircraft Services Inc in Missouri.
 
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Re: Metroliner crash at Luqa, Malta

Mon Oct 24, 2016 1:04 pm

Wow.....
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Re: Metroliner crash at Luqa, Malta

Mon Oct 24, 2016 1:07 pm

What was this aircraft dong in Malta? A US-registered airframe with 2 EO/IR turrets under the rear fuselage, French military personnel. Libya related?
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Re: Metroliner crash at Luqa, Malta

Mon Oct 24, 2016 2:00 pm

Spacepope wrote:
What was this aircraft dong in Malta? A US-registered airframe with 2 EO/IR turrets under the rear fuselage, French military personnel. Libya related?

According to French news, the ac was leased by a company in Luxembourg, CAE Aviation, and operated for the French DGSE (Direction Générale de la Sécurité Extérieure or General Directorate for External Security). Their mission was most probably linked to some surveillance over human and drug trafficking in that part of the Mediterranean Sea (hence Malta) .
5 people on board, two civilian pilots and 3 members of the DGSE.
 
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Re: Metroliner crash at Luqa, Malta

Mon Oct 24, 2016 2:03 pm

Spacepope wrote:
What was this aircraft dong in Malta? A US-registered airframe with 2 EO/IR turrets under the rear fuselage, French military personnel. Libya related?


Yes, the info is pretty sketchy for obvious reasons but apparently 3 of them were French defence ministry and the other two private contractors of the Luxembourg branch of CAE Aviation.

They would have landed back in MLA a few hours later without landing in Libya, so I guess they were patrolling the South Med.

Shouldn't the topic be moved to military aviation as the details emerge?
 
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Re: Metroliner crash at Luqa, Malta

Mon Oct 24, 2016 2:11 pm

Spacepope wrote:
What was this aircraft dong in Malta? A US-registered airframe with 2 EO/IR turrets under the rear fuselage, French military personnel. Libya related?


kinda:
"Airline: CAE Aviation
Aircraft: Fairchild SA227-AT Expediter
Location: Malta Int'l - LMML
Country: Malta
Registration: N577MX CN: AT-577
Photo Date: June 02, 2016
This Fairchild Metroliner N577MX which belongs to CAE Aviation is equipped for ground and maritime surveillance. He is currently used by the French Air Force to patrol along the Libyan coast from ... (more)"


source:
http://www.jetphotos.net/showphotos.php?regsearch=N577MX
 
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Re: Metroliner crash at Luqa, Malta

Mon Oct 24, 2016 2:16 pm

Spacepope wrote:
What was this aircraft dong in Malta? A US-registered airframe with 2 EO/IR turrets under the rear fuselage, French military personnel. Libya related?


It was indeed planned to go to Misrata according to different sources.
 
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Re: Metroliner crash at Luqa, Malta

Mon Oct 24, 2016 2:20 pm

The video shows the plane inverted, as if a locking pin (gust lock) was left in place in one of the ailerons.

A similar accident occurred in Canada years ago with a Buffalo.
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Re: Metroliner crash at Luqa, Malta

Mon Oct 24, 2016 2:26 pm

JeremyB wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
What was this aircraft dong in Malta? A US-registered airframe with 2 EO/IR turrets under the rear fuselage, French military personnel. Libya related?


It was indeed planned to go to Misrata according to different sources.


Yes that was the initial story, along with the one that stated that the flight was a Frontex one but as details emerge it appears that the flight would have flown over the South Med and then it would return to MLA. The quote below is from the Maltese Government.

"The ... flight was registered with Malta Air Traffic Services as a local flight and was to return to Malta within hours without landing in third countries,"


Malta is very densely populated and it is extreme luck that we did not have fatalities on the ground. A Lidl is only a few hundred meters from the crash site, as an example. Also it seems that the airport fire services were on the spot quite rapidly, kudos to them.
 
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Re: Metroliner crash at Luqa, Malta

Mon Oct 24, 2016 3:53 pm

uta999 wrote:
The video shows the plane inverted, as if a locking pin (gust lock) was left in place in one of the ailerons.

A similar accident occurred in Canada years ago with a Buffalo.


That is exactly what first came to mind when I saw how the plane acted. It appeared they had no control at all. Wouldn't a general flight control check help determine if a gust lock was still in place though?
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Re: Metroliner crash at Luqa, Malta

Mon Oct 24, 2016 4:00 pm

Spacepope wrote:
What was this aircraft dong in Malta? A US-registered airframe with 2 EO/IR turrets under the rear fuselage, French military personnel. Libya related?


It's not just that. This particular aircraft participated in the infamous CIA flights that were revealed in 2005-6 or so, under the guise of N120JM. It's certainly an aircraft that has been involved in some black stuff through its career.
 
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Re: Metroliner crash at Luqa, Malta

Mon Oct 24, 2016 4:11 pm

uta999 wrote:
The video shows the plane inverted, as if a locking pin (gust lock) was left in place in one of the ailerons.


Thinking the same thing.

RIP to the folks involved.
 
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Re: Metroliner crash at Luqa, Malta

Mon Oct 24, 2016 5:56 pm

F9Animal wrote:
uta999 wrote:
The video shows the plane inverted, as if a locking pin (gust lock) was left in place in one of the ailerons.

A similar accident occurred in Canada years ago with a Buffalo.


That is exactly what first came to mind when I saw how the plane acted. It appeared they had no control at all. Wouldn't a general flight control check help determine if a gust lock was still in place though?


Hard to tell from the video if both engines are turning, it also reminds me of a VMC related loss of control after an engine out. for reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTQwkKameLg
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Re: Metroliner crash at Luqa, Malta

Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:45 pm

VSMUT wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
What was this aircraft dong in Malta? A US-registered airframe with 2 EO/IR turrets under the rear fuselage, French military personnel. Libya related?


It's not just that. This particular aircraft participated in the infamous CIA flights that were revealed in 2005-6 or so, under the guise of N120JM. It's certainly an aircraft that has been involved in some black stuff through its career.


A lot of discussion regarding that even in the Maltese parliament tonight. Unfortunately that won't change the fact that 5 people have died :(

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20161024/local/what-was-the-plane-that-crashed-in-luqa-really-doing.629013
 
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Re: Metroliner crash at Luqa, Malta

Mon Oct 24, 2016 9:18 pm

Spacepope wrote:
F9Animal wrote:
uta999 wrote:
The video shows the plane inverted, as if a locking pin (gust lock) was left in place in one of the ailerons.

A similar accident occurred in Canada years ago with a Buffalo.


That is exactly what first came to mind when I saw how the plane acted. It appeared they had no control at all. Wouldn't a general flight control check help determine if a gust lock was still in place though?


Hard to tell from the video if both engines are turning, it also reminds me of a VMC related loss of control after an engine out. for reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTQwkKameLg


Very possible. I just couldn't imagine the final 20 seconds inside of that plane. :(
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Re: Metroliner crash at Luqa, Malta

Mon Oct 24, 2016 9:23 pm

That video is the stuff of nightmares. RIP :(
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Re: Metroliner crash at Luqa, Malta

Mon Oct 24, 2016 11:08 pm

I don't think it was a stall, IMHO looks more like a mechanical failure. RIP to all involved.
 
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Re: Metroliner crash at Luqa, Malta

Tue Oct 25, 2016 2:10 am

Draken21fx wrote:

Shouldn't the topic be moved to military aviation as the details emerge?


Disagree. It's a civil aircraft with civil registration. With your logic any civilian aircraft operating under contract for a government, like airliners on military charters, would have to go in the military forum which would not make sense.
 
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Re: Metroliner crash at Luqa, Malta

Tue Oct 25, 2016 2:15 am

Spacepope wrote:

Hard to tell from the video if both engines are turning, it also reminds me of a VMC related loss of control after an engine out. for reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTQwkKameLg


VMC in aviation generally stands for Visual Meteorological Conditions. Where as I believe you want to refer to Vmca (minimum control speed air)? :)

As for control locks and such... I never flew a Metro but I did fly a similar sized 19-seater with TPE331s and a control lock system. In our procedures we did have a visual check of the ailerons, I would assume they did as well. From all accounts I've heard, the Metroliner handles about the same as my previous type on a single engine... Namely "interesting", to keep the language polite. Will be looking for the preliminary report in the future.

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