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American A330 Domestic Operations

Mon Oct 24, 2016 6:23 pm

I've seen in the past that U.S. Airways ran a lot of widebodies on their routes between hubs, and to Florida. It seems to have gone down but I noticed while searching flights for and A330 on a domestic flight I found one from Philadelphia to Miami. Did American change these routes, or are they only for a short time, and besides the route just mentioned does anybody know any other routes operated by the A330 domestically? And for one last thing, is there IFE on those flights, or from what I've heard it has been "disabled" from use.
 
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Re: American A330 Domestic Operations

Mon Oct 24, 2016 6:41 pm

There is a lot of slack in the A330 fleet during the winter hence why they pop up on domestic and caribbean runs. From what I remember these routes typically see A330s:
BOS-PHL (new add this year)
BOS-CLT
CLT-MCO
PHL-MCO?
PHL-MIA
 
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Re: American A330 Domestic Operations

Mon Oct 24, 2016 10:00 pm

From a relatively uneducated perspective, they seem to plug in the A330s for seasonal upgauges wherever needed. They'll pop up here in Phoenix on occasion for an east coast redeye capacity bump around the holidays. As for IFE, I flew an A332 in F about two years ago from PHX-CLT, and they had IFE disabled. I found that fairly ridiculous. I have no idea if things have changed in the time since.
 
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Re: American A330 Domestic Operations

Mon Oct 24, 2016 10:43 pm

They did a PHL-CLT turn for a couple years ago as well but I guess it doesn't operate anymore.

An A330 shows up every so often on CLT-PHX if there is a blue moon out.

CLT-SJU/STT see/have seen A330s, as has PHL-SJU, and both those routes are technically domestic.
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Re: American A330 Domestic Operations

Mon Oct 24, 2016 11:15 pm

I think AA has also been putting A330 on MIA-SJU. Maybe from PHL?
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Re: American A330 Domestic Operations

Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:10 am

The A332's also do CLT & PHL-SJU are also domestic.

atcsundevil wrote:
As for IFE, I flew an A332 in F about two years ago from PHX-CLT, and they had IFE disabled. I found that fairly ridiculous. I have no idea if things have changed in the time since.


Because Dougie and PMUS never cared about PaxEx and were too cheap to pay for the content. Not that AA is much better, but now they are paying for the IFE on the 737s and A321s so is no longer disabled on the A330's.
 
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Re: American A330 Domestic Operations

Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:40 am

aaflyer777 wrote:
There is a lot of slack in the A330 fleet during the winter hence why they pop up on domestic and caribbean runs. From what I remember these routes typically see A330s:
BOS-PHL (new add this year)
BOS-CLT
CLT-MCO
PHL-MCO?
PHL-MIA


Wow, AA is putting an A330 on BOS-PHL?!? I know they do it on BOS-CLT, but this is quite an upgauge for a route they typically fly 10+ per day. Any idea when it starts?
 
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Re: American A330 Domestic Operations

Tue Oct 25, 2016 1:05 am

clrd4t8koff wrote:
aaflyer777 wrote:
There is a lot of slack in the A330 fleet during the winter hence why they pop up on domestic and caribbean runs. From what I remember these routes typically see A330s:
BOS-PHL (new add this year)
BOS-CLT
CLT-MCO
PHL-MCO?
PHL-MIA


Wow, AA is putting an A330 on BOS-PHL?!? I know they do it on BOS-CLT, but this is quite an upgauge for a route they typically fly 10+ per day. Any idea when it starts?


It is typically for the Holiday season since there aren't as many places to send a 330 to from PHL during that period.
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Re: American A330 Domestic Operations

Tue Oct 25, 2016 8:27 pm

I'm scheduled to fly on an A332 on CLT-PHL in early December.
 
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Re: American A330 Domestic Operations

Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:22 am

The A330 IFE is enabled where ever it operates . Domestic and of course on international routes . It will enable as soon as the aircraft takes off all the way until it reaches the gate at its destination .
 
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Re: American A330 Domestic Operations

Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:45 am

I used to hop on the A330 from PHL-CUN in Feb when prime season starts up
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Re: American A330 Domestic Operations

Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:36 am

Last year I recall A330 flights in the winter from PHL to MCO, MIA, CLT, SXM, PUJ, CUN, SJU, and STT (I might be wrong about STT) and these were all of the mid morning departures!
 
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Re: American A330 Domestic Operations

Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:42 am

Let's remember that, before cross-fleeting, the 330s were Europe aircraft because those were essentially US' only longhaul routes. That led to a lot of domestic and Caribbean flying in the winter. There are now more options.
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Re: American A330 Domestic Operations

Thu Oct 27, 2016 4:44 am

Is HA's use of 330s to the mainland of interest here?
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Re: American A330 Domestic Operations

Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:22 am

BobPatterson wrote:
Is HA's use of 330s to the mainland of interest here?


Given it concerns AA's use of 330s domestically, not really since HA has nothing to do with AA.
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Re: American A330 Domestic Operations

Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:59 pm

Why didn't US order the A343?
 
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Re: American A330 Domestic Operations

Thu Oct 27, 2016 4:26 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
Why didn't US order the A343?


They were thinking they'd operate it PHL-NRT, but when they decided not to, the 343 didn't make any sense. that's the only route they would have used it on.
 
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Re: American A330 Domestic Operations

Thu Oct 27, 2016 4:29 pm

superjeff wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Why didn't US order the A343?


They were thinking they'd operate it PHL-NRT, but when they decided not to, the 343 didn't make any sense. that's the only route they would have used it on.

PHL-PEK. Actually received the route authority and just kept pushing it back until I believe it was either given back or taken away.
 
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Re: American A330 Domestic Operations

Fri Nov 25, 2016 7:53 pm

I'm looking to fly BOS-PHL-BOS in May 2017 and still see the A332 on the schedule for a few flights. Do you think these will stay as A332 flights or will they be downgraded to, say, an A321 or 738?
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Re: American A330 Domestic Operations

Fri Nov 25, 2016 9:23 pm

US actually had the most efficient (CASM) trans atlantic network for awhile. Hard to beat a fleet of A330's.
 
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Re: American A330 Domestic Operations

Fri Nov 25, 2016 10:07 pm

Soxfan wrote:
I'm looking to fly BOS-PHL-BOS in May 2017 and still see the A332 on the schedule for a few flights. Do you think these will stay as A332 flights or will they be downgraded to, say, an A321 or 738?

There is a decent chance it is still there until the full summer schedule kicks-in in early June. Though this far out is anyone's guess.
 
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Re: American A330 Domestic Operations

Fri Nov 25, 2016 10:53 pm

usairways85 wrote:
superjeff wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Why didn't US order the A343?


They were thinking they'd operate it PHL-NRT, but when they decided not to, the 343 didn't make any sense. that's the only route they would have used it on.

PHL-PEK. Actually received the route authority and just kept pushing it back until I believe it was either given back or taken away.

I swore they asked for and got approval for PHX-NRT and CLT-GIG/GRU all at the same time, some sort of thing with DL
 
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Re: American A330 Domestic Operations

Sat Nov 26, 2016 12:54 am

wenders825 wrote:
usairways85 wrote:
superjeff wrote:

They were thinking they'd operate it PHL-NRT, but when they decided not to, the 343 didn't make any sense. that's the only route they would have used it on.

PHL-PEK. Actually received the route authority and just kept pushing it back until I believe it was either given back or taken away.

I swore they asked for and got approval for PHX-NRT and CLT-GIG/GRU all at the same time, some sort of thing with DL


I can't recall about PHX-NRT, but IINM they got CLT-GIG competitively and got GRU from DL in the slot swap.
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Re: American A330 Domestic Operations

Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:19 am

superjeff wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Why didn't US order the A343?


They were thinking they'd operate it PHL-NRT, but when they decided not to, the 343 didn't make any sense. that's the only route they would have used it on.


Heck, the management was trying to get AC's 2 A345 to operate PHL-PEK but TAM got them instead, and TG wanted too much for theirs, therefore they remain parked.
wenders825 wrote:
usairways85 wrote:

superjeff wrote:
I swore they asked for and got approval for PHX-NRT and CLT-GIG/GRU all at the same time, some sort of thing with DL


US was going to get one slot at NRT in exchange for a couple slots to DL at LGA (?) and US getting more DCA slots. Unfortunately the economy went into the dump, after a very festive board meeting, the board voted to delay the remaining 10 A332's, which would be the only aircraft that could have operated the PHX-NRT route.

This link might explain it better. http://www.iam141.org/us/slotfaq.html
 
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Re: American A330 Domestic Operations

Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:47 pm

if you are also talking about widebody domestic traffic in general then i have noticed that MIA-MCO is operating with 767.
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Re: American A330 Domestic Operations

Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:48 pm

910A wrote:
superjeff wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Why didn't US order the A343?


They were thinking they'd operate it PHL-NRT, but when they decided not to, the 343 didn't make any sense. that's the only route they would have used it on.


Heck, the management was trying to get AC's 2 A345 to operate PHL-PEK but TAM got them instead, and TG wanted too much for theirs, therefore they remain parked.
wenders825 wrote:
usairways85 wrote:



US was going to get one slot at NRT in exchange for a couple slots to DL at LGA (?) and US getting more DCA slots. Unfortunately the economy went into the dump, after a very festive board meeting, the board voted to delay the remaining 10 A332's, which would be the only aircraft that could have operated the PHX-NRT route.

This link might explain it better. http://www.iam141.org/us/slotfaq.html


Is the A345 closer in size to the 772 or the 773?
 
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Re: American A330 Domestic Operations

Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:08 pm

910A wrote:
US was going to get one slot at NRT in exchange for a couple slots to DL at LGA (?) and US getting more DCA slots. Unfortunately the economy went into the dump, after a very festive board meeting, the board voted to delay the remaining 10 A332's, which would be the only aircraft that could have operated the PHX-NRT route.

Correct. US then said PHX-NRT would be started once the A350s came on property, but that was prior to the AA merger. I have always been dubious at such a prospect. Of the viable international flights out of PHX, I just don't see NRT being one of them. Perhaps with a 788, but I think even the A332 just couldn't do it in a way that's economically viable. The A359 is just too big.
 
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Re: American A330 Domestic Operations

Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:53 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
910A wrote:

Is the A345 closer in size to the 772 or the 773?


The A345 is pretty much right in between (in terms of physical dimensions):

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Re: American A330 Domestic Operations

Sun Nov 27, 2016 6:46 am

That's one thing that I don't get about operating widebodies. US airlines could have long domestic flights with very high demands. Many US domestic flights are as long as DXB-LHR, yet it is rare to spot widebodies operating those routes. I know, frequency over capacity, but many airlines seem to prefer operating widebodies for international flights that is similar in length. I mean, choosing between flying WB vs NB does not seem to be a matter of capacity and range all the time, domestic flights seem to be attracting NB planes even when conditions for flying WB seem about right.
 
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Re: American A330 Domestic Operations

Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:04 am

Narrow-bodies are always more efficient. WB have to add structural weight to carry anticipated weight (fuel) for longer distances. They are sub optimal for shorter routes.

Foreign airlines use them on shorter routes because their fleets are more heavily populated by WB aircraft on a percentage basis.

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