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Update: Emirates fleet

Thu Oct 27, 2016 4:21 pm

Emirates in the next month will be operating a fleet of two types only, the A380 and the B777.
Emirates has scheduled the last A330 flights from Thiruvananthapuram to Dubai on 29OCT, the last A340-300 flight will be on 30OCT from Muscat to Dubai and the last B772ERs flight will be from Ahmedabad to Dubai on the 29th.

After the above jets are phased out, Emirates fleet will consist of the following:

10 B777-200LR
10 B777-300
85 A380-800
124 B777-300ER

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Re: Update: Emirates fleet

Thu Oct 27, 2016 4:23 pm

And I presume the 773s are the next ones on the way out?
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Re: Update: Emirates fleet

Thu Oct 27, 2016 4:27 pm

Spiderguy252 wrote:
And I presume the 773s are the next ones on the way out?


Yes. 5 will find a home with Cathay Pacific
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Re: Update: Emirates fleet

Thu Oct 27, 2016 4:41 pm

So it's really happening, and all at once. I thought the A330s in particular would stick around, kind of like the 772s stuck around for a few years after their originally scheduled retirement date.

I think EK will want to have an airplane smaller than a 777-300 in the fleet for the long term. The 332 is probably too small, and the 772 and 343 definitely too guzzly. When they finally decide on the 789/78X or 359 I'd expect to see the first of those in service pretty quickly.
 
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Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:44 pm

I think the 359/359R/359LR could be a powerful trio for Emirates and let them open a bunch of closer smaller destinations and smaller longhaul destinations.
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Re: Update: Emirates fleet

Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:46 pm

Spiderguy252 wrote:
And I presume the 773s are the next ones on the way out?


Yes, the first one has been retired last month, and the rest will follow rather quickly. With JAL scrapping their 773s, it would be of no surprise if EKs are following them.
Plus: one was written off in August.

dubaiamman243 wrote:
Yes. 5 will find a home with Cathay Pacific

Rumour or deal? Isnt CX rethinking their fleet policy due to overcapacity and low income? There was such a thread recently.
 
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Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:13 pm

ahj2000 wrote:
I think the 359/359R/359LR could be a powerful trio for Emirates and let them open a bunch of closer smaller destinations and smaller longhaul destinations.


While I'd love to see a 787 order for them, the 359 platform is amazing and would serve them well also. I wonder how easy it will be for pilots to transition between the A350 and a380. It would somewhat balance out the pool of pilots for them.
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Re: Update: Emirates fleet

Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:17 pm

How many 777-300ERs are left to be delivered?
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Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:21 pm

PlanesNTrains wrote:
ahj2000 wrote:
I think the 359/359R/359LR could be a powerful trio for Emirates and let them open a bunch of closer smaller destinations and smaller longhaul destinations.


While I'd love to see a 787 order for them, the 359 platform is amazing and would serve them well also. I wonder how easy it will be for pilots to transition between the A350 and a380. It would somewhat balance out the pool of pilots for them.


Same could be said about the 787 and 777, pilots can operate both and the 777X will have the 787 cockpit.
 
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Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:23 pm

It is somewhat strange to see the airlines retire 773s when the direct replacement is not yet around.
 
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Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:30 pm

bigbird wrote:
How many 777-300ERs are left to be delivered?


Should be 29 (they have 179 unfilled 777 orders, of which 150 are 777X).


Alexdk wrote:
It is somewhat strange to see the airlines retire 773s when the direct replacement is not yet around.


The 777-300A really doesn't have a direct replacement. Speculation was the original A350-1000 order Emirates placed was for 773 replacement, but the more capable version Airbus developed pushed it out of the role.
 
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Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:32 pm

Why would they order the 350 and cancel it again. If it would have been because of the new airport being built they would have probably just delayed it. 787 is way more plausible in my opinion and don't forget the 350 is larger than the 787 and aims to compete with the 777
 
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Thu Oct 27, 2016 7:50 pm

Stitch wrote:
bigbird wrote:
How many 777-300ERs are left to be delivered?


Should be 29 (they have 179 unfilled 777 orders, of which 150 are 777X).


Alexdk wrote:
It is somewhat strange to see the airlines retire 773s when the direct replacement is not yet around.


The 777-300A really doesn't have a direct replacement. Speculation was the original A350-1000 order Emirates placed was for 773 replacement, but the more capable version Airbus developed pushed it out of the role.


I meant 777-300ER and 777-9.
 
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Thu Oct 27, 2016 10:11 pm

Alexdk wrote:
I meant 777-300ER and 777-9.


Emirates does use the 777-300ER on regional routes so they may have frames reaching higher cycle times and consequently higher maintenance costs. I'm not sure we've seen a 777-300ER retirement as of yet, so the parts market for them would be very strong and such a "high-use" could be worth a fair bit more as parts than as a complete, operating airframe. So Emirates could see a net upside to parting that bird out and putting in a new delivery to replace it.
 
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Re: Update: Emirates fleet

Fri Oct 28, 2016 12:27 am

seabosdca wrote:
When they finally decide on the 789/78X or 359 I'd expect to see the first of those in service pretty quickly.



They have come to a conclusion already, they're just waiting for other market dynamics/trends to pan out before they place the order for one or the other.
 
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Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:31 am

rotating14 wrote:
seabosdca wrote:
When they finally decide on the 789/78X or 359 I'd expect to see the first of those in service pretty quickly.



They have come to a conclusion already, they're just waiting for other market dynamics/trends to pan out before they place the order for one or the other.


Elaborate? What is the conclusion then - the 787 or the A350?
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Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:55 am

With regard to regional order 787-10 would have to be in the box seat. A350 is competing with 77W 77L as well as 778X and 779X.
The A350 is structured to compete with the B777 which leaves 787-9 and 10 in the sweet spot for regional flying and 787-10 with economics the 350 can't touch. Throw in diminishing 787 backlog and an ability to get numbers in service much quicker favours Boeing. Airbus would have issues getting planes to customers given their production issues.
I have the feeling that the A350ULR will bite SQ the same way A345 did and they may regret not getting 778X which will do the job.. time will tell
 
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Re: Update: Emirates fleet

Fri Oct 28, 2016 3:16 am

Where do the 10 200LRs fly?
 
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Re: Update: Emirates fleet

Fri Oct 28, 2016 3:55 am

boeing767-300 wrote:
With regard to regional order 787-10 would have to be in the box seat. A350 is competing with 77W 77L as well as 778X and 779X.
The A350 is structured to compete with the B777 which leaves 787-9 and 10 in the sweet spot for regional flying and 787-10 with economics the 350 can't touch. Throw in diminishing 787 backlog and an ability to get numbers in service much quicker favours Boeing. Airbus would have issues getting planes to customers given their production issues.
I have the feeling that the A350ULR will bite SQ the same way A345 did and they may regret not getting 778X which will do the job.. time will tell



But the thing is, Emirates doesn't want them quickly, otherwise they would have kept the A350 order. They want them in 2022 at least if not 2025 when they move to DWC, because DXB is crowded and the only thing they can do is to add capacity not frequency, hence the 77W/A380 only fleet.

Now, I don't know where you get that the 787s are more efficient than the A350s, please provide us with facts.
The 787-10 was made specifically to compete with the A350-900.

Also, why would the 778X be better than the A350-900ULR exactly? They both have equivalent range and payload hit. I would suggest the opposite, because the A359 is smaller than the 778X, thus much easier to fill, especially on premium routes.
 
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Re: Update: Emirates fleet

Fri Oct 28, 2016 4:40 am

After all politics will also play a role.
If EK goes for a huge Boeing order it will be difficult for the US government to restrict their US expansion. So personally I believe when the next big order comes it will be for Boeings.
 
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Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:24 am

VCEflyboy wrote:
After all politics will also play a role.
If EK goes for a huge Boeing order it will be difficult for the US government to restrict their US expansion. So personally I believe when the next big order comes it will be for Boeings.


Well actually, if you are using this argument then EK will order Airbus. Let me explain:
-Europe represent 28.4% of Emirates revenue in the FY16 while Americas (US,Canada and Brazil) only 12.8%.
-The UAE and the US have an opensky agreement, thus EK can launch has many routes has it want.
-Europe and the UAE, on the flip side, hasn't, and EK is limited in many countries, like France, Germany and others, where it could easily add dozen of additional flights and routes. There are many secondary cities that are unserved or under-served where EK would love to fly to.

In this situation, EK would order Airbus so that it has some leverage for an opensky agreement rather than Boeing where there is already an opensky agreement and, despite US3 complaints, the US gov doesn't seem to care much about EK expansion.
 
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Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:34 am

How many 77W have they got left to be delivered?

How many 77X are on the way too?
 
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Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:37 am

Add the 100+ 787-1000s they will order soon.
 
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Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:52 am

smi0006 wrote:
How many 77W have they got left to be delivered?

How many 77X are on the way too?


As posted above 29 77W and 150 777X

Personally i feel that the 787 platform would be great for EK. The smaller capacity would make it a great aircraft to launch to secondary Chinese and Asian cities along with smaller ULH destinations.
 
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Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:57 am

The first 777ER to be retired in 2017
 
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Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:50 pm

EK often flies around these planes to nearby places such as bah, mct, doh, etc... and only a handful passengers. Even more shocking to see the smallest they are going to dispatch will be 400+ seater 77W. Economically quite viable indeed...
 
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Re: Update: Emirates fleet

Fri Oct 28, 2016 5:12 pm

rotating14 wrote:
seabosdca wrote:
When they finally decide on the 789/78X or 359 I'd expect to see the first of those in service pretty quickly.



They have come to a conclusion already, they're just waiting for other market dynamics/trends to pan out before they place the order for one or the other.


Isn't that the same thing as saying that they haven't come to a conclusion?

ikolkyo wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
ahj2000 wrote:
I think the 359/359R/359LR could be a powerful trio for Emirates and let them open a bunch of closer smaller destinations and smaller longhaul destinations.


While I'd love to see a 787 order for them, the 359 platform is amazing and would serve them well also. I wonder how easy it will be for pilots to transition between the A350 and a380. It would somewhat balance out the pool of pilots for them.


Same could be said about the 787 and 777, pilots can operate both and the 777X will have the 787 cockpit.


Yes, but I guess I was thinking that a 777X/A350/A380 fleet would have a nice balance between the two pilot pools.
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Re: Update: Emirates fleet

Fri Oct 28, 2016 5:51 pm

f35 wrote:
Where do the 10 200LRs fly?



Considering December/16 network:

Longhaul:
DXB-GIG-EZE
DXB-INC-CGO
DXB-FLL
DXB-HND

Shorter-Haul:
DXB-MCT/COK/DOH/TRV/BOM/BAH/DMM/AMM/AMD/MED/SEZ/IKA
 
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Re: Update: Emirates fleet

Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:40 pm

PlanesNTrains wrote:
rotating14 wrote:
seabosdca wrote:
When they finally decide on the 789/78X or 359 I'd expect to see the first of those in service pretty quickly.



They have come to a conclusion already, they're just waiting for other market dynamics/trends to pan out before they place the order for one or the other.


Isn't that the same thing as saying that they haven't come to a conclusion?

ikolkyo wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:

While I'd love to see a 787 order for them, the 359 platform is amazing and would serve them well also. I wonder how easy it will be for pilots to transition between the A350 and a380. It would somewhat balance out the pool of pilots for them.


Same could be said about the 787 and 777, pilots can operate both and the 777X will have the 787 cockpit.


Yes, but I guess I was thinking that a 777X/A350/A380 fleet would have a nice balance between the two pilot pools.

Sir Tim Clark has time on his side. I fully expect an order within 2 years, but no time pressure other than to buy while orders are down.

With such late deliveries... Anything is possible. Maybe even super discounted A339s. It will be the terms, including to A380NEO or not. Or another 777 stretch.

EK was forced to slow growth at just the right time in the global economy. That will, ironically, leave them in a great position to buy. The worst case for EK is the slow the spend on DWC...

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Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:12 pm

All those codes with no mouseover anymore INC could be mistaken for ICN incorrectly and CGO for Chicago, I know its ORD, but even I thought for a moment it was Seoul and Chicago instead of Yinchuan and Zhengzhou.
 
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Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:27 pm

winGl3t wrote:
f35 wrote:
Where do the 10 200LRs fly?



Considering December/16 network:

Longhaul:
DXB-GIG-EZE
DXB-INC-CGO
DXB-FLL
DXB-HND

Shorter-Haul:
DXB-MCT/COK/DOH/TRV/BOM/BAH/DMM/AMM/AMD/MED/SEZ/IKA


Add DXB/SEA to the long haul list - the morning departure from SEA is a 77L - the evening flight is a 77W
 
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Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:11 pm

Fatbus wrote:
The first 777ER to be retired in 2017


And all 777-300 non ER.
 
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Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:34 pm

So when will the 777-300A leave the fleet?
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Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:44 pm

lightsaber wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
rotating14 wrote:


They have come to a conclusion already, they're just waiting for other market dynamics/trends to pan out before they place the order for one or the other.


Isn't that the same thing as saying that they haven't come to a conclusion?

ikolkyo wrote:

Same could be said about the 787 and 777, pilots can operate both and the 777X will have the 787 cockpit.


Yes, but I guess I was thinking that a 777X/A350/A380 fleet would have a nice balance between the two pilot pools.

Sir Tim Clark has time on his side. I fully expect an order within 2 years, but no time pressure other than to buy while orders are down.

With such late deliveries... Anything is possible. Maybe even super discounted A339s. It will be the terms, including to A380NEO or not. Or another 777 stretch.

EK was forced to slow growth at just the right time in the global economy. That will, ironically, leave them in a great position to buy. The worst case for EK is the slow the spend on DWC...

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EK forced to slow growth?

They received 25 wide bodies 77Ws and A380s and the year isn't over yet!
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Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:40 pm

ER757 wrote:

Add DXB/SEA to the long haul list - the morning departure from SEA is a 77L - the evening flight is a 77W



Reservation system shows 2 daily 77W to SEA by DEC/16
 
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Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:03 pm

seahawk wrote:
Add the 100+ 787-1000s they will order soon.

Have you solved the engine problem for them in order to make such a grandiose prediction?

Tim Clark thinks otherwise. He wants more thrust from the Trent 1000 on the 787-10. Getting the beast out of Dubai on a hot day means more grunt is required to avoid payload restrictions. Ideally it would be a trhottle push on the existing Trent 1000-TEN engine but that isn't possible yet and EK doesn't want a derivative engine like the XWB-97.

And before the GE cheerleaders chime in; whatever 787 they end up ordering will definitely be Rolls powered. Sir Tim himself has stated that is their new policy.
 
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Emirates moving towards a simplified fleet: A380 and B777 only.

Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:35 pm

Hi everyone,

It may be old news but I received this info by email today: EK is retiring the A340 and A330 aircraft from its fleet. They also begun retiring their oldest 777s which include one 77W: interesting! They will have, as the article explains, a much lower average fleet age. I think that in the long run, 2020s we will see only A380s, 77Ws (the 200LRs and 300nonERs will be gone by then I suppose) and 777Xs.

https://worldairlinenews.com/2016/10/28 ... its-fleet/

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Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:55 pm

According to Wiki, they have 2 A332s and 3 A343s left, so that shouldn't take long. They're supposed to retire their last 777-200ER tomorrow.
They have 57 A380s, 26 777-300ERs, 35 777-8s, and 115 777-9s on the way, so they shouldn't have too much trouble with this process.
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Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:46 am

EK A330-200 A6-EAS has been flown to Lourdes for storage. This leaves one A330 in service.
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Sun Oct 30, 2016 5:41 am

So all A330 and 777-200ER are apparently gone.
 
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Sun Oct 30, 2016 6:10 am

A6-EMK is still in service.
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Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:53 pm

From theeksource.com :

"Emirates A330-200 A6-EAK was withdrawn from service at Dubai this morning after arriving as EK723 from Thiruvananthapuram. This brings to an end Emirates A330-200 operations."
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Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:03 pm

The 30 A332s played a vital role in Emirates fast long expansion of the last 15 years, establishing many new destinations.Like with many other operators. That requirement has maybe shrunk. We are now in a more mature phase. Maybe a reason the A332/800 and 788 have lowish backlogs.

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Sun Oct 30, 2016 5:25 pm

One B777-200ER will stay in the fleet and operate to PEW as the airport cannot handle the B77W. I suppose in the next 3-4 months, the 77W will be able to land there.
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Sun Oct 30, 2016 6:12 pm

ojas wrote:
One B777-200ER will stay in the fleet and operate to PEW as the airport cannot handle the B77W. I suppose in the next 3-4 months, the 77W will be able to land there.


I think its A6-EMK
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Sun Oct 30, 2016 8:36 pm

EK went from having a way too complex fleet to a simple one.
Now At the peak
- A332 RR engines
- A343 CFM engines
- A345 RR engines
- 772 RR engines
<b>77E 77E RR engins
773 773 RR engines
77L 77L GE engines
77W 77W GE engines
A388 A388 IAE engines (old)/RR engines (new)</b>

With the planned retirement of the 77E and 773, as the OP noted, their future fleet will be really simple. We know about the 777X order and a 787-10/A350 future order.

Because of the engine change (and RR engine PIPs), I expect a simplification to an all RR A380 fleet to happen fairly early. :(

NG263 wrote:
Why would they order the 350 and cancel it again. If it would have been because of the new airport being built they would have probably just delayed it. 787 is way more plausible in my opinion and don't forget the 350 is larger than the 787 and aims to compete with the 777

EK has a *much* better engine contract than what they had before.
EK doesn't need airframes for a long time (heck, where would the Dubai gates come from?). Thus, they should get an even better deal today.
The market is weak for widebody orders now. Both Airbus and Boeing would *love* to improve their backlog out in 2025 to 2028 as this order will.

EK doesn't have to order for years. Time is on their side. They should wait for 787-10 EIS. But Boeing might negotiate a deal better for EK...

So we'll see.

dubaiamman243 wrote:
From theeksource.com :

"Emirates A330-200 A6-EAK was withdrawn from service at Dubai this morning after arriving as EK723 from Thiruvananthapuram. This brings to an end Emirates A330-200 operations."

Wow... That was a quick turnover. The downside of slot/gate limits at DXB. Yes, 15 years of service, but that isn't a long life for a plane by any means (see LH 744s...).

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Re: Update: Emirates fleet

Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:10 pm

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Why would they order the 350 and cancel it again.


For the same reason EY canceled A350-1000 orders twice just to re-order the aircraft at a later stage?
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Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:13 pm

lightsaber wrote:


Because of the engine change (and RR engine PIPs), I expect a simplification to an all RR A380 fleet to happen fairly early. :(

Lightsaber


???????

You're joking, right? EK hasn't completed taking the 90 IAE airplanes they have on order (about 5 to go) so we're talking at least 10 to 12 years from now -- is that your definition of "fairly early". Of the 50 RR they have on order only 25 were initially indicated for replacement so we still need another order for 65 A380's just to maintain the planned fleet size -- or will they be downsizing?.
 
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Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:18 pm

Well Tim Clark mentioned several times he would replace every A380 by another A380, be it CEO or NEO.
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Sun Oct 30, 2016 10:54 pm

dubaiamman243 wrote:
ojas wrote:
One B777-200ER will stay in the fleet and operate to PEW as the airport cannot handle the B77W. I suppose in the next 3-4 months, the 77W will be able to land there.


I think its A6-EMK


A6-EMK seems to be withdrawn from use since actually yesterday. No 777-200ER left in Emirate's fleet.

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Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos