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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:42 pm

FAA lifted ground stop, now instituting US+Canada flow program for ORD.

Hourly arrival rate planned at 76 while departure rate 40 due only single departing runway.

Average inbound delay 75mins
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:42 pm

Man, that wing damage! Hope everything is ok, but that relatively new 763 looks like a goner. Damage reminds me of the AAL 762 in LA that threw a high pressure disc, but of course it's too early to speculate other than "it's on fire".
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:42 pm

a380787 wrote:
To add insult to the injury, I don't see a mention anywhere on AA.com's front page regarding the incident.



Well, you're batting a thousand today.

What, precisely, should AA have on its web home page about an incident that's still in progress?
 
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:44 pm

DiscoverCSG wrote:
What, precisely, should AA have on its web home page about an incident that's still in progress?


Airlines typically have large prominent banners on their front page if there's a major incident, such as providing known facts up to that point and special phone numbers for people to call in to inquire about it, yes even while it's developing. That's standard procedure for crisis management.
 
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:45 pm

garpd wrote:
Well, that's one bird that will never fly again.


I've learned that this is not as obvious as you might think. They might be able to get a wing from a stored 763. Not saying they will, just that I've been surprised before.

They repaired that burned-out BA 772 at LAS that everyone thought was a w/o.
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:47 pm

a380787 wrote:
To add insult to the injury, I don't see a mention anywhere on AA.com's front page regarding the incident.


And why would they? Other things priority right now.....
 
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:47 pm

Damn that looks scary!!! Happy to hear everyone survived this scary incident.

Immaterial but I bet there's lots of Cubs fans trying to get to chicago tonight who aren't gonna be happy about this ground stop!
 
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:48 pm

I'm acutely aware that this is speculation, but it would appear that this incident has been caused by a disc failure?
 
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:48 pm

KTPAFlyer wrote:
If I've ever seen a write off, this is it


Nothing a little bondo and speed tape can't fix.

But seriously, awesome job on the crew for getting everyone out safe. Even the jokers who grabbed their carry-ons.
 
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:49 pm

DocLightning wrote:
I've learned that this is not as obvious as you might think. They might be able to get a wing from a stored 763. Not saying they will, just that I've been surprised before.

They repaired that burned-out BA 772 at LAS that everyone thought was a w/o.


Actually, you make a good point. I thought that BA 772 was toast. Bu the Boeing team did a good job.

I didn't think it was possible or even permitted to remove the wing off of a commercial airliner though?
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:50 pm

United1 wrote:
Absolutely....this could have been catastrophic if they became airborne.


Had the plane taken off, the headwinds would have pushed the plume from the engine fire towards the back and in all likelihood there wouldn't have been much damage from the fire until touchdouwn (assuming fire couldn't be put out by then). You rarely see massive fire damage from an engine fire inflight for aerodynamic reasons.
 
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:51 pm

Whiteguy wrote:
a380787 wrote:
To add insult to the injury, I don't see a mention anywhere on AA.com's front page regarding the incident.


And why would they? Other things priority right now.....


That's your opinion. In many previous airline incidents, the airline posts something very quickly on their site as part of rapid response and crisis management, but I'm sure AA knows best.
 
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:51 pm

KBUF wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
FAA has issued a national ground stop for ORD due all ARFF resources committed to incident.

Going to be a big mess for many people.


Cue a parade of diversions to MDW, MKE, STL, and other nearby airports.


Not sure about that. on Flightaware, there seem to be lots of aircraft lined up for the landing sequence.
 
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:52 pm

G'day

As usual on this site people are overreacting. As it looks the right wings aerodynamics may be slightly distorted, they may end up with having to snap on a new wing. A good opportunity to try one of those new plastic jobs though that would likely have to be done on both sides and I doubt insurance will cover two sets of wings. As Flighty mentioned above, all else will buff out.

I just wonder what would have happened to one of those new plastic wing jobs in a similar situation, supposedly those do not burn and neither do they melt - I guess they just decompose. Future incidents like this will tell.

And yes, kudos to the crew for saving the day

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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:02 pm

DUSdude wrote:
United1 wrote:
Absolutely....this could have been catastrophic if they became airborne.


Had the plane taken off, the headwinds would have pushed the plume from the engine fire towards the back and in all likelihood there wouldn't have been much damage from the fire until touchdouwn (assuming fire couldn't be put out by then). You rarely see massive fire damage from an engine fire inflight for aerodynamic reasons.


I would not be surprised if the fire was started due to a high speed braking and not an actual engine fire. The pilots stopped the airplane for some reason. May have been a fire, may have been something else, and the tires then caused a fire. Either way, great job by all the crew. This is everything going right in an emergency as its suppose to. I recently took a tour of Delta HQ and saw the cabin mock ups, really shows how important the training is.
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:03 pm

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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:04 pm

appears to have bown a tire first while t/o on runway 28R
http://www.jacdec.de/2016/10/28/2016-10 ... e-airport/
 
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:05 pm

a380787 wrote:
Whiteguy wrote:
a380787 wrote:
To add insult to the injury, I don't see a mention anywhere on AA.com's front page regarding the incident.


And why would they? Other things priority right now.....


That's your opinion. In many previous airline incidents, the airline posts something very quickly on their site as part of rapid response and crisis management, but I'm sure AA knows best.

They sure as shit know better than you.
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:06 pm

Just heard the ATC; nothing to do with braking as the fire started on the take-off roll.
 
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:09 pm

well now I have seen everything (well almost) , abc news on the live feed (the one quoted above) just allegedly showed the evacuation from inside the plane, yes someone was supposedly videoing on their cell phone while everyone was trying to get out of there... completely ridiculous in many ways, but sure as hell folks wanted to get off there, a number of overhead bins were empty, so much for leaving your belongings behind.
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:11 pm

Amazing. To see all those people just stopping right there to take their videos while the plane looks like it could explode any minute. What a world.
 
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:12 pm

This video shows there was panic aboard, while other people were grabbing their bags:

https://www.facebook.com/hector.g.carde ... 830564127/
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:12 pm

Heavierthanair wrote:
As it looks the right wings aerodynamics may be slightly distorted


Understatement of the century. :lol: Half of the wing melted to the ground, how do you define slightly exactly.
 
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:13 pm

G-CIVP wrote:
Just heard the ATC; nothing to do with braking as the fire started on the take-off roll.


Do you have a source/link?

(Not doubting you... just interested)
 
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:13 pm

Heavierthanair wrote:
As usual on this site people are overreacting. As it looks the right wings aerodynamics may be slightly distorted, they may end up with having to snap on a new wing. A good opportunity to try one of those new plastic jobs though that would likely have to be done on both sides and I doubt insurance will cover two sets of wings. As Flighty mentioned above, all else will buff out.


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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:15 pm

Thank God everyone's safe. The American Airlines crew was outstanding today.

What will AA do to remedy this aircraft's absence? Are they expecting replacement deliveries? (of the non-767 family variety, of course)
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:16 pm

ozark1 wrote:
Amazing. To see all those people just stopping right there to take their videos while the plane looks like it could explode any minute. What a world.


Gotta take that selfie for future grandchildren!
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:22 pm

hispanola wrote:
Thank God everyone's safe. The American Airlines crew was outstanding today.

What will AA do to remedy this aircraft's absence? Are they expecting replacement deliveries? (of the non-767 family variety, of course)


Yes, no lives lost apparently. Kudos to the crew for their professionalism and competence.

Unfortunately this is one of the AA 763s that had the new J seats.
 
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:22 pm

hispanola wrote:
Thank God everyone's safe. The American Airlines crew was outstanding today.

What will AA do to remedy this aircraft's absence? Are they expecting replacement deliveries? (of the non-767 family variety, of course)


Heck, AA just retired 2 763's in September, I doubt those frames have been parted out just yet.

Plus, they have one more 787-9 due before end of the year
 
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:24 pm

BTW....here's the flight info on SABRE right now....

2AA383«
AA0383/28OCT
ORD 220P T3 K15
MIA 24 D2 620P
1ORD/FX CANCEL ORD -ORD -MIA -MTX-CXLD DUE TO A/C MAINTENANCE*15
40
7ORD/AUTO REACCOM CXL FLT COMPLETED SEE N*P4AA0383ORD28OCT *1553
*CRCYMG
 
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:25 pm

N62NA wrote:
Unfortunately this is one of the AA 763s that had the new J seats.


Pretty sure those can still be salvaged.
 
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:25 pm

I think all the passengers were lucky in this case. I also think the pilots did a great job in how they controlled the plane and get it to halt after the flames. A few seconds of delay in judgement could have been a catastrophe with such an intense flare.
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:25 pm

coolian2 wrote:
a380787 wrote:
Whiteguy wrote:

And why would they? Other things priority right now.....


That's your opinion. In many previous airline incidents, the airline posts something very quickly on their site as part of rapid response and crisis management, but I'm sure AA knows best.

They sure as shit know better than you.


Thanks for the curse word.
 
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Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:27 pm

 
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:32 pm

Sooner787 wrote:
BTW....here's the flight info on SABRE right now....

2AA383«
AA0383/28OCT
ORD 220P T3 K15
MIA 24 D2 620P
1ORD/FX CANCEL ORD -ORD -MIA -MTX-CXLD DUE TO A/C MAINTENANCE*15
40
7ORD/AUTO REACCOM CXL FLT COMPLETED SEE N*P4AA0383ORD28OCT *1553
*CRCYMG


Cancelled due to a/c maintenance maybe the understatement of the week on this event... I saw 9 injured, but considering what it could have been kudos to all involved for getting everyone off safely... there's a reason why crew's do all that training... you hope you never need it, but if you do, you are ready...
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:33 pm

a380787 wrote:
EIBoston wrote:
I was referring to the strangeness of FAA's decision

What's strange is your comment, not the FAA decision.

a380787 wrote:
To add insult to the injury, I don't see a mention anywhere on AA.com's front page regarding the incident.

a380787 wrote:
In many previous airline incidents, the airline posts something very quickly on their site as part of rapid response and crisis management


Dude, what's your game? You're discrediting the FAA, you're discrediting the airline? How about 'great job' to the crew, response team & airline!

N62NA wrote:
this is one of the AA 763s that had the new J seats.

:lol:
 
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:36 pm

DocLightning wrote:
garpd wrote:
Well, that's one bird that will never fly again.


I've learned that this is not as obvious as you might think. They might be able to get a wing from a stored 763. Not saying they will, just that I've been surprised before.

They repaired that burned-out BA 772 at LAS that everyone thought was a w/o.


Is it possible to just bolt a new wing on? I've never heard of this happening on a large airliner, has it been done before?
 
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:37 pm

Unfortunately, , N345AN was one of the 17 763s AA was going to retain. Not good. Looks like the aircraft is done.
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:37 pm

uberflieger wrote:
a380787 wrote:
EIBoston wrote:
I was referring to the strangeness of FAA's decision

What's strange is your comment, not the FAA decision.

a380787 wrote:
To add insult to the injury, I don't see a mention anywhere on AA.com's front page regarding the incident.

a380787 wrote:
In many previous airline incidents, the airline posts something very quickly on their site as part of rapid response and crisis management


Dude, what's your game? You're discrediting the FAA, you're discrediting the airline? How about 'great job' to the crew, response team & airline!

N62NA wrote:
this is one of the AA 763s that had the new J seats.

:lol:


I'll praise the crew and rescue teams but will withhold praising the airline until we know the root cause of the incident.
 
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:45 pm

I don't think the wing itself is bent down - thats probably only the winglet that is made of composite materials ...That won't be a w/o.
 
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:46 pm

hispanola wrote:
Thank God everyone's safe. The American Airlines crew was outstanding today.

What will AA do to remedy this aircraft's absence? Are they expecting replacement deliveries? (of the non-767 family variety, of course)


Probably nothing.

This is the off-season for air travel and there's a lot of slack in the widebody fleet at AA that they're currently using to convert the 77Es to the CIP. I'm sure if it were an issue, they could merely shuffle around a few aircraft and/or backfill with another widebody type. IIRC, a few more 789s are due to be delivered by the end of the year as well.
 
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:51 pm

jensobreuer wrote:
I don't think the wing itself is bent down - thats probably only the winglet that is made of composite materials ...That won't be a w/o.


No, it's the wing that's busted about halfway from the engine towards the wingtip. Look:

ikolkyo wrote:
Is it me or is a large portion of the right wing burned down? Explains all of that smoke.

Image

https://twitter.com/ABC7Chicago/status/ ... 9427431424
 
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:53 pm

a380787 wrote:
I'll praise the crew and rescue teams but will withhold praising the airline until we know the root cause of the incident.

It's an airline's training and policies that are being tested when things go wrong. Considering the dramatic pictures and films I'd say 'job well done' since there's probably only minor injuries.
 
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:56 pm

DiscoverCSG - Heard it on the ABC Live internet feed but another contributor has posted a link which should be relevant.
 
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:57 pm

New photo showing collaped wing and damage to fuselarge
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:59 pm

Unfortunate incident, but glad that there were no serious injuries.
 
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:08 pm

MrHMSH wrote:
Is it possible to just bolt a new wing on? I've never heard of this happening on a large airliner, has it been done before?


On at least one DC-9.
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:11 pm

MrHMSH wrote:
DocLightning wrote:
garpd wrote:
Well, that's one bird that will never fly again.


I've learned that this is not as obvious as you might think. They might be able to get a wing from a stored 763. Not saying they will, just that I've been surprised before.

They repaired that burned-out BA 772 at LAS that everyone thought was a w/o.


Is it possible to just bolt a new wing on? I've never heard of this happening on a large airliner, has it been done before?


Yes it probably could be done if they really want it. Qantas Flight 1, the Boeing 747 that crash landed in BKK. Don't remember if they replaced the wing or just did heavy repairs on it, but the repair costs was 100 million USD just to keep Qantas' record clean.
 
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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:12 pm

MrHMSH wrote:
DocLightning wrote:
garpd wrote:
Well, that's one bird that will never fly again.


I've learned that this is not as obvious as you might think. They might be able to get a wing from a stored 763. Not saying they will, just that I've been surprised before.

They repaired that burned-out BA 772 at LAS that everyone thought was a w/o.


Is it possible to just bolt a new wing on? I've never heard of this happening on a large airliner, has it been done before?



It's happened before.
AC had a DC-9-32 that caught fire (AC797) and it was used as a parts donor after Ozark 650 hit a snowplow. (N994Z, DC-9-31)

AC flew for NW for years afterward, and was sold around 2012 for scrap.

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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:12 pm

I was on N345AN from JFK-MXP last month. We were delayed because the APU was not working, and the temperature in the aircraft was uncontrollable. The FA's and crew mentioned it was a very problematic aircraft, and even some FA's mentioned they told dispatch they wanted to switch aircraft. Unsurprising given AA has had poor dispatch reliability with the 767's in the past few years.
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