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FedEx MD-10 on fire at FLL

Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:05 pm

There appears to be a FedEx MD-10 on fire at Fort Lauderdale airport:

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https://twitter.com/BennyBreunig/status ... 1953858560
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Re: FedEx MD-10 on fire at FLL

Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:07 pm

Wow, 3 incidents in less than 24 hours (EA 737 at LGA off runway, AA 763 at ORD fire).
 
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Re: FedEx MD-10 on fire at FLL

Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:07 pm

N370FE DC-10
 
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Re: FedEx MD-10 on fire at FLL

Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:08 pm

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Re: FedEx MD-10 on fire at FLL

Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:09 pm

Bodged landing or landing gear collapse??
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Re: FedEx MD-10 on fire at FLL

Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:13 pm

Not sure. The left-hand wing looks gone?
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Re: FedEx MD-10 on fire at FLL

Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:13 pm

Local news circling 10L https://www.flightradar24.com/N93DD/b73abb8
FLL is closed
 
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Re: FedEx MD-10 on fire at FLL

Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:15 pm

It's FX910 arriving from MEM.
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Re: FedEx MD-10 on fire at FLL

Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:16 pm

Holy cow! Twice in three hours
 
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Re: FedEx MD-10 on fire at FLL

Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:17 pm

way to early to speculate of course but those mad dog trijets are always a big of a handful on landing, as we have seen before. could be like NRT, but without flipping over this time,,,,
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Re: FedEx MD-10 on fire at FLL

Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:18 pm

Great day if you like flaming airliners...
 
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Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:21 pm

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way to early to speculate of course but those mad dog trijets are always a big of a handful on landing, as we have seen before. could be like NRT, but without flipping over this time,,,,

That's with MD-11s. MD-10s did not have that issue
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Re: FedEx MD-10 on fire at FLL

Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:21 pm

Those news copter shots don't show a clear exit for the crew? Would they have used a rope on the right side??

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Re: FedEx MD-10 on fire at FLL

Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:24 pm

I believe the landing problems are associated with the MD-11s. I flew the DC-10s and found it to be very easy to land. Dispatching that hanger queen was another story.
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Re: FedEx MD-10 on fire at FLL

Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:24 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Not sure. The left-hand wing looks gone?


Ehm I think it's just covered in foam, if you zoom in on the third picture you posted you can see it's still there, but just covered with foam.
 
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Re: FedEx MD-10 on fire at FLL

Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:25 pm

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Re: FedEx MD-10 on fire at FLL

Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:25 pm

This one was the third oldest DC-10 still flying, almost 45 years young. Sad end but lucky escape for the crew. What an afternoon!

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Re: FedEx MD-10 on fire at FLL

Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:27 pm

There was an explosion too, here's the video:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BMH2o6QASJN/

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Re: FedEx MD-10 on fire at FLL

Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:34 pm

TrbleClef wrote:
N370FE DC-10


Delivered to United on 2/29/72 as N1809U. That airframe has been around ....what a sad ending.
 
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Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:36 pm

bmibaby737 wrote:
This one was the third oldest DC-10 still flying, almost 45 years young. Sad end but lucky escape for the crew. What an afternoon!

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Didn't take Plane Spotters long to update that status :shock:
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Re: FedEx MD-10 on fire at FLL

Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:36 pm

Unbelievable. I was just wondering how crazy it would be if another plane caught fire right now. Man this is really taking things to a whole new level of crazy!
 
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Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:42 pm

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Those news copter shots don't show a clear exit for the crew? Would they have used a rope on the right side??

Wes


Exactly what I was wondering.
 
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Re: FedEx MD-10 on fire at FLL

Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:43 pm

There's going to be some severely hung over insurance underwriters tomorrow.
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Re: FedEx MD-10 on fire at FLL

Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:01 pm

Two other MD-10s ended up this way in Memphis. The investigation is just beginning so let's not speculate on the cause. Just a side note, I have many hours flying this particular plane both as a regular DC-10 and MD-10.
 
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Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:15 pm

Can't believe it. This was the only DC-10 I ever flew on. I flew N1809U from Chicago to the old Denver Stapleton Airport on Wednesday 23rd July 1980, flight UA463.
At 45 years old I guess its luck had to run out at some stage. My log shows that me, my dad and my brother sat at seats 23D, 23E and 23F on this aircraft!!!
 
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Re: FedEx MD-10 on fire at FLL

Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:19 pm

KTPAFlyer wrote:
wezgulf3 wrote:
Those news copter shots don't show a clear exit for the crew? Would they have used a rope on the right side??

Wes


Exactly what I was wondering.


If you zoom in on this picture Karel posted you can see the window of the first officer is open, however I don't see a rope thought I saw one but that's probably the line of the radome
 
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Re: FedEx MD-10 on fire at FLL

Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:24 pm

JeremyB wrote:
KTPAFlyer wrote:
wezgulf3 wrote:
Those news copter shots don't show a clear exit for the crew? Would they have used a rope on the right side??

Wes


Exactly what I was wondering.


If you zoom in on this picture Karel posted you can see the window of the first officer is open, however I don't see a rope thought I saw one but that's probably the line of the radome


Cheers Jeremy, that's some drop when the adrenaline is pumping.

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Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:26 pm

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Bodged landing or landing gear collapse??


The landing gear is sitting aft of the wing and fire. It's a good bet the landing gear failed. Looks like it went off runway from hitting engine/wing on ground.
 
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Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:28 pm

cougar15 wrote:
way to early to speculate of course but those mad dog trijets are always a big of a handful on landing, as we have seen before. could be like NRT, but without flipping over this time,,,,


This was the MD-10 upgraded DC-10 with MD-11 cockpits. They were more stable. The MD-11 is known to have stability issues on landing under heavy loads. That one was overstretched. NRT was an MD-11 not the MD-10
 
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Re: FedEx MD-10 on fire at FLL

Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:33 pm

]Hopefully, no one is hurt. Of course this causes a domino effect of delays up and down the system.
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Re: FedEx MD-10 on fire at FLL

Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:33 pm

wezgulf3 wrote:
JeremyB wrote:
KTPAFlyer wrote:

Exactly what I was wondering.


If you zoom in on this picture Karel posted you can see the window of the first officer is open, however I don't see a rope thought I saw one but that's probably the line of the radome


Cheers Jeremy, that's some drop when the adrenaline is pumping.

Wes...


Was actually zooming in on the wing when I noticed it, looked at another picture and saw that the nose is slightly higher then normal due to the collapsed left side main gear, that's a 4 or 5 meter drop.. I certainly wouldn't want to be in their position
 
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Re: FedEx MD-10 on fire at FLL

Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:49 pm

rbavfan wrote:
cougar15 wrote:
way to early to speculate of course but those mad dog trijets are always a big of a handful on landing, as we have seen before. could be like NRT, but without flipping over this time,,,,


This was the MD-10 upgraded DC-10 with MD-11 cockpits. They were more stable. The MD-11 is known to have stability issues on landing under heavy loads. That one was overstretched. NRT was an MD-11 not the MD-10
A lot of the MD-11's stability issues has to do with the much smaller horizontal stabilizers on vs the DC-10, even with fuel ballast tanks that it has. The Vertical (tail plane) is also smaller on the MD-11.
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Sat Oct 29, 2016 12:13 am

Looks like this was at BFM for maintenance in September.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N370FE/history/80
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Re: FedEx MD-10 on fire at FLL

Sat Oct 29, 2016 12:17 am

Goodness what else can go wrong today?
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Re: FedEx MD-10 on fire at FLL

Sat Oct 29, 2016 12:18 am

What a bad day for aviation.
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Re: FedEx MD-10 on fire at FLL

Sat Oct 29, 2016 12:58 am

ATA L1011 wrote:
rbavfan wrote:
cougar15 wrote:
way to early to speculate of course but those mad dog trijets are always a big of a handful on landing, as we have seen before. could be like NRT, but without flipping over this time,,,,


This was the MD-10 upgraded DC-10 with MD-11 cockpits. They were more stable. The MD-11 is known to have stability issues on landing under heavy loads. That one was overstretched. NRT was an MD-11 not the MD-10
A lot of the MD-11's stability issues has to do with the much smaller horizontal stabilizers on vs the DC-10, even with fuel ballast tanks that it has. The Vertical (tail plane) is also smaller on the MD-11.


Are the horizontal stabilizers literally smaller on the MD-11 vs the DC-10, or just considered too small for the longer MD-11??
 
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Sat Oct 29, 2016 1:09 am

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Hopefully, no one is hurt.


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Are the horizontal stabilizers literally smaller on the MD-11 vs the DC-10, or just considered too small for the longer MD-11??[/quote]


They are smaller
 
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Wow, 3 incidents in less than 24 hours (EA 737 at LGA off runway, AA 763 at ORD fire).


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Re: FedEx MD-10 on fire at FLL

Sat Oct 29, 2016 1:19 am

flyabr wrote:
ATA L1011 wrote:
rbavfan wrote:

This was the MD-10 upgraded DC-10 with MD-11 cockpits. They were more stable. The MD-11 is known to have stability issues on landing under heavy loads. That one was overstretched. NRT was an MD-11 not the MD-10
A lot of the MD-11's stability issues has to do with the much smaller horizontal stabilizers on vs the DC-10, even with fuel ballast tanks that it has. The Vertical (tail plane) is also smaller on the MD-11.


Are the horizontal stabilizers literally smaller on the MD-11 vs the DC-10, or just considered too small for the longer MD-11??
They are smaller and its quite noticeable as well!
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Sat Oct 29, 2016 1:22 am

ATA L1011 wrote:
flyabr wrote:
ATA L1011 wrote:
A lot of the MD-11's stability issues has to do with the much smaller horizontal stabilizers on vs the DC-10, even with fuel ballast tanks that it has. The Vertical (tail plane) is also smaller on the MD-11.


Are the horizontal stabilizers literally smaller on the MD-11 vs the DC-10, or just considered too small for the longer MD-11??
They are smaller and its quite noticeable as well!



While it's not the best pic, you can see it here

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Sat Oct 29, 2016 1:25 am

lavalampluva wrote:
Looks like this was at BFM for maintenance in September.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N370FE/history/80


Arrived August 6th. Did 5 test flights BFM-BFM at 1:39 or less, then flew back to MEM October 5th.

What an interesting ~28 hours
 
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Wow, 3 incidents in less than 24 hours (EA 737 at LGA off runway, AA 763 at ORD fire).


And all had something to do with South Florida. Pretty crazy..
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Sat Oct 29, 2016 1:41 am

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What a bad day for aviation.



I disagree no passengers seriously injured and looks like no harmed parcels. :D
 
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Re: FedEx MD-10 on fire at FLL

Sat Oct 29, 2016 1:46 am

Pics from dusk. Still putting foam on the port side.

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Re: FedEx MD-10 on fire at FLL

Sat Oct 29, 2016 1:47 am

Its been one hell of a day! Especially for the poor people that are flying the ORD- FLL route.
 
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Sat Oct 29, 2016 1:56 am

ATA L1011 wrote:
flyabr wrote:
ATA L1011 wrote:
A lot of the MD-11's stability issues has to do with the much smaller horizontal stabilizers on vs the DC-10, even with fuel ballast tanks that it has. The Vertical (tail plane) is also smaller on the MD-11.


Are the horizontal stabilizers literally smaller on the MD-11 vs the DC-10, or just considered too small for the longer MD-11??
They are smaller and its quite noticeable as well!


MD-11 horizontal stabilizer span is 12 feet shorter than the DC-10.

DC-10 - 71 ft. 2 in.
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Re: FedEx MD-10 on fire at FLL

Sat Oct 29, 2016 1:59 am

One other good thing besides anyone getting injured is that people's packages did not get burned up, they may arrive a bit later than anticipated but will still be received! They may even get refunds for shipping from FDX as a result!
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ATA L1011 wrote:
rbavfan wrote:
cougar15 wrote:
way to early to speculate of course but those mad dog trijets are always a big of a handful on landing, as we have seen before. could be like NRT, but without flipping over this time,,,,


This was the MD-10 upgraded DC-10 with MD-11 cockpits. They were more stable. The MD-11 is known to have stability issues on landing under heavy loads. That one was overstretched. NRT was an MD-11 not the MD-10
A lot of the MD-11's stability issues has to do with the much smaller horizontal stabilizers on vs the DC-10, even with fuel ballast tanks that it has. The Vertical (tail plane) is also smaller on the MD-11.

The stability issues with the MD-11 are not directly tied to the horizontal stabilizer being smaller; they are due primarily to the MD-11 having a much further aft CG envelope than any other airliner. This was done to reduce drag which was necessary because MD did not want to spend the money to design a new wing, and had to scrape out every bit of efficiency they could in order to make it competitive. Moving the CG aft reduces drag because the horizontal stabilizer does not have to provide as much downforce, reducing induced drag on both the wing and horizontal stabilizer. It also allows the smaller horizontal stabilizer, which reduces drag even more. But a CG that far aft reduces natural stability almost to the vanishing point, which is what makes the MD-11 so tricky to land.
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Sat Oct 29, 2016 2:03 am

Viscount724 wrote:
ATA L1011 wrote:
flyabr wrote:

Are the horizontal stabilizers literally smaller on the MD-11 vs the DC-10, or just considered too small for the longer MD-11??
They are smaller and its quite noticeable as well!


MD-11 horizontal stabilizer span is 12 feet shorter than the DC-10.

DC-10 - 71 ft. 2 in.
MD-11 - 59 ft. 2 in.
Nice find, do you happen to know how much less in width they are, they seem to be several feet less in width as well!
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