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Emirates to Samoa??

Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:24 am

According to the following article, Emirates is set to fly to Samoa (Faleolo International Airport) once a partnership with the government is signed.

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"“We are aiming at signing an agreement with other airlines like Emirates if it’s easier for them (to travel through),” he said.

“We are looking for more airlines to transit here especially long flights like from China and going to South America. The biggest benefit for us is people eating here and using our hotels as well as work for our people.”"

Samoa's Faleolo Airport has just undergone a $US15 million dollar refurbishment.

Source: http://www.radionz.co.nz/international/ ... s-airlines
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Re: Emirates to Samoa??

Tue Nov 01, 2016 10:03 am

I doubt there would be enough traffic and yield for a direct flight, although it could be possible via a point in Asia with 5th freedom traffic rights.
 
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Re: Emirates to Samoa??

Tue Nov 01, 2016 10:08 am

Sounds like the stupidest thing ever but IF it somehow eventuated it would have to be via somewhere, maybe Australia, could it go Dubai-Cairns-Somoa?
 
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Re: Emirates to Samoa??

Tue Nov 01, 2016 10:32 am

log0008 wrote:
Sounds like the stupidest thing ever but IF it somehow eventuated it would have to be via somewhere, maybe Australia, could it go Dubai-Cairns-Somoa?


Not an expert but I believe the Samoan community in Cairns is ~=0. Most are in SYD or BNE, and even then the numbers aren't huge (~20,000 Samoan's in Australia per government information).

BNE-APW is currently 1x weekly and SYD-APW 2x weekly. It's hardly an attractive market. I don't believe this story for a second, it's just a puff piece for the airport.
 
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Re: Emirates to Samoa??

Tue Nov 01, 2016 10:37 am

Countries do get agreements with foreign nations often, but does not mean that they will travel there.
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Re: Emirates to Samoa??

Tue Nov 01, 2016 11:02 am

I read the article as EK are being considered as an option to operate subsidised routes between Australia and Samoa.
 
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Re: Emirates to Samoa??

Tue Nov 01, 2016 11:08 am

Having got there it does seem like an interesting place.

http://www.samoa.travel/
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Re: Emirates to Samoa??

Tue Nov 01, 2016 11:10 am

In fairness - NZ operate RAR-LAX and RAR-SYD once or twice a week as the route is subsidised by the Cook island government apparently. 767, being upgraded to a 772. Whilst RAR-AKL is a big market, neither are the other two.

No doubt subsidised by the Samoan government, but if it helps with suistainable economic development and supports greater infrastructure to enable more tourism and boost the economy, why not? Doubtful to be non-stop ex DXB, where else in AU Asia is not non-stop and not an A380? BNE?
 
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Re: Emirates to Samoa??

Tue Nov 01, 2016 11:38 am

Surely they could fly to Honolulu or Nadi instead, even though they make little sense it's better than Samoa

aside from that I think it's most likely they'll get Qantas to instate a weekly 737 to Samoa from Sydney and codeshare on that
 
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Re: Emirates to Samoa??

Tue Nov 01, 2016 11:54 am

EK is always looking for samoa destinations but could they operate there profitably and what happens if they land an A380 there, wouldn't the place submerge? :-)
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Re: Emirates to Samoa??

Tue Nov 01, 2016 12:12 pm

If I'm reading the OP's post it appears that Samoa is potentially courting EK to use APW as a scissor hub (if you will) to connect Asia and SA.

It is actually an intriguing idea. Small countries allowing liberal air rights as a way to get on the map and get more traffic.
 
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Re: Emirates to Samoa??

Tue Nov 01, 2016 12:20 pm

How about a subsidized LAX-APW? Like what the Cooks do.
 
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Re: Emirates to Samoa??

Tue Nov 01, 2016 12:50 pm

77H wrote:
If I'm reading the OP's post it appears that Samoa is potentially courting EK to use APW as a scissor hub (if you will) to connect Asia and SA.

It is actually an intriguing idea. Small countries allowing liberal air rights as a way to get on the map and get more traffic.


Samao (and American Samoa) don't have a lot of good options to try to increase air service, especially as ULH aircraft grow in popularity and fuel efficiency. In Am Samoa, tourist services are limited because there are few tourists, and there are few tourists because services are weak and air service (yeh, HA!) is so limited.
 
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Re: Emirates to Samoa??

Tue Nov 01, 2016 1:27 pm

HKG BKK and SIN all are known to allow fifth freedom flights with ease. As a matter of fact EK and other airlines already operate many 5th freedom flights from these airports. Locationwise they would all be great.
 
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Re: Emirates to Samoa??

Tue Nov 01, 2016 1:47 pm

May be they have ordered too many A380 and are now running out of places to send those to. :)
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Re: Emirates to Samoa??

Tue Nov 01, 2016 1:50 pm

Checks calendar and sees November 1st and not April 1st. Scratches head and wonders who would take this seriously. Does Samoa even have a direct flight to China or the lower 48 in the USA?

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Re: Emirates to Samoa??

Tue Nov 01, 2016 1:55 pm

77H wrote:
If I'm reading the OP's post it appears that Samoa is potentially courting EK to use APW as a scissor hub (if you will) to connect Asia and SA.

It is actually an intriguing idea. Small countries allowing liberal air rights as a way to get on the map and get more traffic.

APW and most other airports in the region really don't have the space or infrastructure to support much of a scissor hub.
 
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Re: Emirates to Samoa??

Tue Nov 01, 2016 3:19 pm

well thats a funny one!
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Re: Emirates to Samoa??

Tue Nov 01, 2016 4:15 pm

smi0006 wrote:
In fairness - NZ operate RAR-LAX and RAR-SYD once or twice a week as the route is subsidised by the Cook island government apparently. 767, being upgraded to a 772. Whilst RAR-AKL is a big market, neither are the other two.

No doubt subsidised by the Samoan government, but if it helps with suistainable economic development and supports greater infrastructure to enable more tourism and boost the economy, why not? Doubtful to be non-stop ex DXB, where else in AU Asia is not non-stop and not an A380? BNE?


NZ has also started operating their Boeing 787-9 to Rarotonga
 
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Re: Emirates to Samoa??

Tue Nov 01, 2016 6:54 pm

smi0006 wrote:
No doubt subsidised by the Samoan government, but if it helps with suistainable economic development and supports greater infrastructure to enable more tourism and boost the economy, why not? Doubtful to be non-stop ex DXB, where else in AU Asia is not non-stop and not an A380? BNE?


There used to be a subsidised APW-LAX by Air New Zealand, but during the GFC the airline wanted a higher subsidy and Samoa said no.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/international/ ... ew-zealand

"Samoa's Prime Minister Tuilaepa Sailele Malielegaoi has criticised Air New Zealand saying its termination of the Tonga-Samoa-L.A. service was its agenda all along.

He accused the airline of bullying Samoa and Tonga into subsidising losses from the route labeling these moves ridiculous."


The Cook Islands agreed to the higher subsidy, but the route RAR-LAX is unlikely o be profitable in the foreseeable future.

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Re: Emirates to Samoa??

Tue Nov 01, 2016 10:30 pm

mariner wrote:

The Cook Islands agreed to the higher subsidy, but the route RAR-LAX is unlikely o be profitable in the foreseeable future.

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Why ?
 
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Re: Emirates to Samoa??

Tue Nov 01, 2016 11:37 pm

The Cook Islands agreed to the higher subsidy, but the route RAR-LAX is unlikely o be profitable in the foreseeable future.


Actually Mariner, the subsidy the Cooks has been paying in recent times has been far less than in previous years due to the success of the route with American passengers coming to visit the Cooks either to/from New Zealand and Australia.

Cooks tourism boom lifts government receipts

http://www.radionz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/313776/cooks-tourism-boom-lifts-government-receipts

Also, on the Samoa front, the Govt has just signed a reciprocal agreement with China as well for a direct air service. Maybe this will allow for an EK service.
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Re: Emirates to Samoa??

Wed Nov 02, 2016 12:46 am

Mortyman wrote:
Why ?


It's tough to make a long haul 1 x weekly profitable. The service does well, but it boils down to not enough people paying enough money. The benefit is to the island economy as a whole, investigated at some length in this report, which concludes:

http://www.mfem.gov.ck/images/Covec_Eco ... Report.pdf

"Overall, the LAX-RAR underwrite is estimated to make a net positive contribution to economic activity in the Cook Islands between 2013 and 2017."

That doesn't mean that bet benefit will change after 2017, simply that it is too far to look out.

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Re: Emirates to Samoa??

Wed Nov 02, 2016 4:29 am

EK to start APW?

Sure I believe it....



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